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7-Plus-NGM Digest February 2006
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:54:06 +1300
From: "Chris Draper"
Subject: RE: Re: Diesel Sound system
Wow - lots of very useful information here - thankyou kindly Frolin!
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:37:26 -0500
From: "mikell"
Subject: Hesston Newsletter
Just posted the Hesston Steam Museum newsletter on the main menu of my site to let people know what's going on. Also on the left sidebar there's a link for membership applications to those who would like to join or donate.
Recently people have been asking for website help I use a company www.webbizbuilder.com for mine and a couple of others. It's easy to use and no software required on your computer and at 20$ a month I think it's a great deal mostly because you can update your site from any computer and several people can have their own section to work on as often as they want with no HTML experience needed. The Volunteers site is large with nearly 60 pages and I barely us 30% of my allotted space.
If you would like to set up your own I can give you a hand.
Thanks
Mike Lagness
www.hesstonvolunteers.com
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:17:46 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1387
Tom, when Jimmy built the Lucky 7 one of our local guys was working for Penberthy Canada. I vaguely remember that at one time he said that "that was the last one of the 3/8 inch, they stopped making them." I did
not pay too much attention as with me looking at 3/4" scale there was no interest in that "giant"stuff.
Cheers, Arno I
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Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:39:48 -0800
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: C & O 614
Hi all,
I was sent this today and I KNOW some of you may be interested and not all for the same reasons.
http://www.co614.com/
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada
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Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:48:53 -0000
From: "Frolin Marek"
Subject: Re: Diesel Sound system
Chris,
Glad my long rambling message on something I did could be of help.
If more questions, feel free to ask or email me direct.
Frolin
Marek Mountain Mining
(Tom/Rick/Bill- stop laughing)
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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:34:39 -0800
From: Peter Moseley
Subject: Re: Diesel Sound system
If you put the speakers in tight box with some fiberglass insulation behind, the sound will be better. Make the box as big as you can fit.
Peter Moseley
F&PV RR
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Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:33:05 -0000
From: "Rick"
Subject: Cannon Ball Ballast car
Hello:
Does anyone have experience with the Cannon Ball Ballast/Hopper car?
How well does it discharge and spread ballast?
Did you buy it as a kit or rtr?
Thanks for any input.
Rick
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Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:49:22 -0600
From: "David Hannah III"
Subject: Re: Cannon Ball Ballast car
Rick;
I have owned two of the CannonBall Ballast hoppers for over twenty years and had no problem.
Just remember to put a 2X4 piece of wood, laid flat, in front of the rear trucks.
Might also help to pushed the cars in front of your motive power.
David Hannah, III
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Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:12:56 -0000
From: "William Van Lenten"
Subject: Re: Cannon Ball Ballast car
We have several ballast hoppers on our railroad, bought in kit form from Cannonball. We can pull these behind a loco and they unload and spread ballast while in motion. A small modification on the spreader will clear the rail for the next trucks wheels.
Bill
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Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:46:17 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Re: Cannon Ball Ballast car
They work ok but the size of ballast will cause problems as it can plug up. Another way is to use a gon and a coal or flat shovel to unload it. Another problem with dumping out of the bottom of a car is derailing when
you pull over the ballast.
Boyd Butler
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Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:17:42 -0000
From: "wdbarbe"
Subject: Available parts for narrow gauge engines
Is there a list anyplace of what narrow gauge engines are being produced as kits?
I know about Allen's Chloe and mogul, but what else is available?
Thanks
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:33:55 -0800
From: Peter Moseley
Subject: Re: Available parts for narrow gauge engines
Here is a list I have made. I will also post this to my website.
Peter Moseley
F&PV RR
Narrow Gauge 2.5"/foot suppliers
Ridgway Roundhouse Products
home (909) 628-9601
eMail at work
home 5812 Serene Avenue, Chino CA 91710-3635
C-19/16 engine parts including wheels, domes, stacks, pilot trucks, firebox doors etc.
tender trucks,
couplers,
gauge stands,
sight glass lamps,
sight glasses,
smoke box door dogs,
flag stanchions
marker lamp brackets
handrail stanchions,
caboose marker lamps,
freight car trucks,
boiler wash out plugs,
many different D&RGW car parts.
Tom Artzberger
work (262) 673-2270
work fax (262) 673-9686
eMail at work,
eMail at home,
home page
work 5852 park Lane, Hartford WI 53027
Tom is Making the RGS 20 and has couplers and other parts. See his website.
3'7" and 4' archbar trucks
3'7" caboose trucks
Cast aluminum car parts: queen posts, truss rod washers, etc
Couplers, minor draft gear
brake staff pawl and ratchet
Cardwell draft gear for high side gondola
Richard Ulin
home (303) 466-8241
home 1160 Lilac Street, Broomfield CO 80020
D&RGW K-27 Castings, including engine marker lites, headlight
Westside Three Truck Shay castings
Mason Bogie castings
C&S 2-8-0 castings
Cross Compound air pump castings
Single Cylinder WAB air pump castings
C&S Caboose castings
D&RGW caboose stove, lantern brackets and interior step castings
C&S/RGS phase I stock car castings
C&S upper and lower brake staff brackets
C&S brake hangers and shoes
C&S phase II striker plates
C&S brake wheel, ratchet and pawl
C&S bettendorf trucks with brakes
C&S St. Charles trucks for Phase I equipment and CONX 5 tank
C&S and D&RGW brake cylinders
D&RGW brake hangers and shoes
D&RGW stock car and box car body bolster castings
D&RGW box/stock car door handles and tie rod washer/brackets
Camel Door guides and stops
Minor Draft Gear
D&RGW upper brake staff bracket
D&RGW Drop Bottom Gondola casting
D&RGW High Side Gondola castings including Cardwell draft gear
Carl Ulrich Fine Scale Engineering
High Quality investment and sand castings
home (262) 537-2692
email at work Carl Ulrich
home 5110 308th Avenue, Salem WI 53168
C&S 4' Arch Bar trucks for Phase I gondolas and some box cars
C&S Bettendorf trucks
Minor draft gear
C&S MCB Simplex couplers
Pratt Sander Kit
WAB 1 1/4 train line cutout cock
WAB F-1 Plain Triple Valve
WAB K-1 TRiple Valve
WAB Type S single head non working air pump governor
WAB Type D twin head non working air pump governor
C&S queen and king posts
C&S cut lever brackets
C&S phase I gondola hardware
C&S brake wheel, ratchet and pawl
C&S upper and lower brake staff brackets
C&S brake hangers and shoes
Camel box car door Hardware
Barry Hauge
Superscale
(805) 473-4884
work fax (805) 473-4774
work 367-A Beckett Place, Grover Beach CA 93433-1551
Injectors, working glad hands and cut off cocks, valves, fittings, automatic brake kits, safeties, "jewelry"
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Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:00:48 -0000
From: "Rick White"
Subject: Re: Cannon Ball Ballast car
There are alternatives to the Cannonball Ballast cars. Wimberley Blanco and Southern owner Nick Edwards worked with car builder Bobby Bridges to come up with a design we now call the Bridges Ballast Car.
Nick has four of these, I have two of them, all built by Bobby. Ed Rains built two for himself, and made them two inches shorter so arms can reach around to rerail. That is now the prefered design for a 1.5 inch scale.
12 inches inside height, 15 inches inside width, 4 ft long inside. Car weights about 600 - 650 lbs full. The 14 inch high inside cars weigh around 750 when full.
End view Bridges Ballast Car
Bottom end panel opens up to dump ballast.
Side view Bridges Ballast Car
Side view of end dump ballast car 4 ft long.
Measuring the inside height of car.
12 inch inside height of end dump ballast car.
The end view taken on Roy Pickard's Houston East and West Texas line and the others taken during laying of the first concrete ties on the Houston Area Live Steamers track.
These cars have an end opening that opens up. You use a hoe to pull out the ballast. These work best with two people, one to run the loco and the other to use the hoe. You have to back over the track without ballast to the end and go away from the dump end. These cars all have two ends that dump. No shoveling. No getting ballast under cars where you might derail the car.
There are alternatives. Bruce Roosa built one with a single end dump door that hinges down, the whole end goes down. Works very well indeed. I like the door being out of the way and going over the coupler so that it does not get dirt in it. Jack Haskins (see http://www.swlsonline.org/ and click on tracks and you can get to http://www.swlsonline.org/asnt.html that shows an old track plan, not the new track) has an end dump car that is just open at the end. Sides so high that he can reach down and push the car along by hand and use hoe with the other hand. A great one person operation! Car is 5 ft long and can get about 3 to 4 ft of it full, leaving slope at rear towards the open end. Both the Jack Haskins car and the Bruce Roosa car are one end cars and both work well. Each weighs about 750 lbs when full (Bruce weighed his, so we know it is that heavy when loaded).
Rick White
LCC & FB
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:27:12 -0800
From: "Steve Hughes"
Subject: Re: Available parts for narrow gauge engines
Tom Artzberger has designed and is producing castings, machined parts, or ready-to-run RGS#20 ten wheelers in 2 1/2 scale. Info is available on his website http://www.pleshops.com/index.htm.
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Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:24:12 -0000
From: "tankcreek"
Subject: Re: Available parts for narrow gauge engines
Peter, thank you for taking the time to draft this very helpful list.
I will put it to good use!
Dick Patton
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Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:28:33 -0800
From: Peter Moseley
Subject: Re: Available parts for narrow gauge engines
Hi All:
Here is an addition to the 2.5"/foot model suppliers list I posted.
Locoparts
Don Orr
www.locoparts.net
Supplies various types of valves, fittings, snifters, cylinder cocks, blowdowns, gauge glasses, "jewelry" and RGS20 tender kit.
This info is now posted on my website in PDF.
Peter Moseley
F&PV RR
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:19:02 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Super Bowl Commercial (Off Subject)
This portion of text was removed by the moderator, because it was total off topic.
My 7-1/4" Stourbridge Lion is in bits and pieces at the moment. A moment in railroad terms means more than a year.
What gauge are you modeling in?
Do you have any time (I wont say enough because no one ever has) to get to modeling?
--
Arno
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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:56:39 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Re: Super Bowl Commercial (Off Subject)
This portion of text was removed by the moderator, because it was total off topic.
Now moving on to RR stuff, got my SW7s from Rail Systems, they now are on a trailer at Train Mountain waiting for the snow to melt so they can be unloaded, they are green like frogs right now but will be NP black next year
I am going to visit them next month and hope in the meantime that they can be run in by my friend Chuck Stutz that picked them up for me. Am building two engineer cars, five foot long, am going to sell one and use the other.
Also am building two more flats and one gon to add to my collection. Looks like something is going to sit outside for a while as my container is going to be over full then, time to build my racks for upper level tracks
in it Hope that everyone else is getting ready for the coming train meets this year as am looking forward to seeing old and meeting new friends at TM this year.
Boyd Butler
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:32:14 +0000
From: Lineshaft@comcast.net
Subject: 2 1/2" Scale Heisler of Seattle, WA
I was looking through a book of reprints for 7+ Narrow Gauger Vol.1,No.1 through Vol. 4, No.4 On page 7 of Vol 1, Issue 4 (Aug 1991) there is a picture titled "The 2.5" scale Heilser of Deenis Riches, Seattle WA.
Does anyone know how I can get ahold of this man? Has the loco been sold?
Were is it now? I'm looking to build one myself and could use some ideas for construction. If not this loco, does anyone know of any others?
Thanks,
Dave Fontes
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:12:53 -0000
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"
Subject: Re: Super Bowl Commercial (Off Subject)
Hello all,
as usual, I hoped, that this off topic would dry out really soon, but this time to much messages appear.
So, a warning from the moderator, to follow the guidelines, which are attached to every message:
3. Refrain from political or religious references unless list-related.
I will delete all messages regarding this topic at yahoo and don't post any on our message archive under http://www.7-plus-ngm.org
Stop this, because we left some members for this reason.
Your moderator
Hubert
P.S.:
To Arno:
Yes, I'll returning to Train Mountain for the Triennial, but this time without my speeder. My wife did not want to carry all the needed parts with me in our baggage :-(
And it seems, it will be the last time for long, because my wife don't want to see railroads on every vacation-trip we do :-((
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:14:24 -0500
From: Don and/or Wanda Orr
Subject: Re: Super Bowl Commercial (Off Subject)
Arno
You mentioned TM.WIll I have the pleasure of seeing you therre?
don
www.locoparts.net
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:39:57 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Trainmountain
Don,
at this time it is a definite maybe.
[ Note to self: Arno - leave credit cards at home not get into temptation when looking at Don Orr's www.locoparts.net stuff,]
Cheers,
Arno
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:51:20 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" Scale Heisler of Seattle, WA
Try Trevor Heath of http://www.livesteaming.com/
--
Arno
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:18:53 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Trainmountain
You are a lucky man that you were able to see that much until now.
Two years ago in three weeks of England and Ireland I only got by the Lynton & Barnstaple and that only because it was just a five minute detour from her friends place to the Mall in Milton Keynes. Bur luck had it the there were no train for 2 hours and the rest of the gang did not want to hang around. Did better last year, 'though. Visiting my brother from my sisters place we met at the September Open House of the DBC-Holstein and a few days later we visited Dr. Guido Mattoli's track in his olive grove just outside of Assisi. He had just got one of the big 2-4-2's from Keith
Watson.
This time too, TM is just a stop over, albeit three days, on the way back from visiting friends in Vancouver.
Come to think of it, that is at least a positive progression. 1 day two years ago, 2 days last year, three days this year.
At this rate I'll be able to vacation with trains for three weeks by the time I'm eighty, wow.
--
Cheers,
Arno
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:26:14 -0800
From: Ken Burns
Subject: Re:Train Mountain
Hubert;
Dont be too sad about not having your speeder....I think we can get you into an engineers cap with the RGS 41's debut at TMRR. Looking forward to seeing you again.
Ken Burns
ps: We are going to fire the boiler for the first time on the engine stand later this morning!!
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:57:13 -0800
From: "James Hoback"
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" Scale Heisler of Seattle, WA
Dave,
I presume you either have, or know of, the Heisler book by Kozo Hiraoka. If you are looking for scratch building information, Kozo is second to none. Amazon etc. will have the book as well as Live Steam magazine.
Regards,
Jim Hoback
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:32:15 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Meet
Its a known fact that the credit cards during a live steam meet are to be given without any restrictions to the husband its an unwritten rule that comes with the marriage cert as I was told, well I think that is the way it goes, and Hubert, leave the wife and bring the trains am sure she will understand. Will look forward to seeing you at TM, don't know if my speeder will be running or not burned up the motor last year and have to get a new one but you are welcome to use it if you want.
Boyd.
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:32:21 -0800
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: Re: Super Bowl Commercial (Off Subject)
Boyd,
That part works so well I've upped the price to at least three TM Burgers. Nice to be able to run the pump through a whole afternoon without having to babysit it. I am presently building a large shop hoist that will accommodate more then just trains. I will need big as the two engines for my locomotive weigh in at about 400# each (piles of unconnected parts at the moment) and when the boiler and cab get suspended between them I think we will be upwards of 1400# on the wheels.
Would you like fries with that order sir??
If anyone is interested I will be bringing some Canadian Beers with me, EH!! :-)
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:35:16 -0800
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" Scale Heisler of Seattle, WA
Dave,
If I'm not mistaken I believe it is now a front foyer decoration at a large machine shop facility in Sidney BC. There is one beauty of a Heisler Locomotive there and I was told a Dennis guy from Washington built it.
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:56:36 -0000
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"
Subject: RE: Trainmountain
Hello Arno,
I was at the DBC-H in Schackendorf for two times a couple of years ago.
First was for the DBC-D (german backyard-railroad-organisation) annual meeting in 2001. For 2002, I registered for the Insider-meeting in june through their website, but starting in 2003, they request a password,
which is send out by an printed invitation. They say, this is sent out to the participants of former insider-meetings, but I never got such an invitation. On the other hand, my friend (and our member) Bo from Danmark
gets this invitation every year, but he has a 3" scale steamer plus a complete train. And for me, I only have a battery powered diesel-engine and the gas-electric speeder since summer 2003.
Hubert from Germany
who will be at TM for the whole Triennial
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:03:17 -0000
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"
Subject: Re:Train Mountain
Hi Ken,
I really appreciate this nice offer.
But nothing bets to have your own engine/train with you, where you can jump on and run it over the layout when you are in the mood for this.
Much luck for the first firing up.
Hubert
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:31:03 -0500
From: Don and/or Wanda Orr
Subject: Re: Trainmountain
No, No, Arno.what I meant was " are you sending your credit cards to TM?"
Arno, you know I don't take credit cards..I just want to see your smiling face again..its been too long, old friend!
don
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:33:08 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Trainmountain
Hello Hubert,
Bo, is that Svend Aage Bonde who is a regular member in DBC-Holstein. He was running the Mallet from Erik Kammeyer in Copenhagen at the invitational last summer but unfortunately could not make it on the September Open House.
See you at TM,
Arno
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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:30:45 -0000
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"
Subject: Trainmountain
Hi Arno,
no, it is Bo Dyja, who has a german 0-4-0 outside-frame tank engine, which operated on a sugarbeet-line in Danmark. It was a 30" line, and so the model is 3" scale, as well as his complete train of boxcars and
gondolas for transportation of the sugarbeets and the finished sugar.
You can see his engine on the following page:
And a better picture can be found on the site of the DBD-D. This was photographed by me:
Greetings from cold Germany
Hubert
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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:36:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Trains And Stuff
Well Dennis, thats very nice, but you know it just feels good to help someone out that means more than any burger, just the thought. Most live steamers do the same for each other that is one of the reasons I am in this hobby other than the love for trains. Got to go run some wire on my flats am building, just got a look at a scratch built stock car in standard gauge that Lee Brooks built its unpainted and no trucks or couplers at this point but its going to be a real looker and will be at TM this year too. Hubert, did you get the message, leave wife home bring train, keep credit cards with you tho. Boyd.
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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:46:02 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Details
Does anyone know where to get 1.5" scale brake air tanks and triple valves?
Boyd.
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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:16:35 +0200
From: "Johan"
Subject: Re: Trains And Stuff
Hi Boyd,
Could you please post a pic or two in the "photo" section of this site, of Lee Brooks's stock car? or if possible, please attach it to an e-mail to me :johanjp (at) worldonline (dot) co (dot) za .......... substitude
the necessary. :-)
Thanking you in anticipation,
Johan (Pretorius).
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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:15:41 +0200
From: "Johan"
Subject: Re: Walschaerts Gear
Hi Everyone,
I'm seeking some information from a "Walschaerts Gear"
Fundi, in particular the slide-valve version. ( Obviously the piston valve is also OK).
The info I'm needing is as follow: (My gear has been completed and I'm in the process of setting the timing. I'm also discussing only the one side i.e. Lefthand, and the "Radius rod" placed in the center of the "Expansion Link")
A) Moving the piston to "Forward dead center" .....
1) Should I have the "Slide-valve" just cracking the fwd port ??
or
2) Should it "NOT" show the port at all ??
B) Moving the piston to "Aft dead center" ............
1) Should I have the "Slide-valve" just cracking the Aft port ??
or
2) Should it "NOT" show the port at all ??
I've made the "Lap" of the slide-valve, 6mm, which is the same as the "Port" width. My question connected to the answer above = ............
If 1) above is the correct way, ......... Do I have to mill the "Lap" smaller ?? To maybe 5mm or less ?? What would be the recommended Lap size??
At present I get number 2) above. I do not know if this is correct.?? The reason being, I've read somewhere, that if you do the above you should get "Lead". Obviousy, I do not get any "lead". I'm also lost to the amount of "lead" I should get???
Please help me with the above answers. I will really and trully value, your kindness and expertise.
Kindest of Regards,
Johan (Pretorius)
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:18:07 +0000
From: "Phil Ashworth"
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" Scale Heisler of Seattle, WA
There is a splendid 7.25" Heisler that was builit and is still run by a member at Iron Horse Park in Alberta. He let me have a go last summer and I was, as they say here, like a pig in..... ......... clover .. I think that's the phrase! Wonderful engine to drive.
I am am sure he'd be happy to pass on any tips
Phil
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:07:25 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Stock Car
Will do dont have any pix right now but will go up this week and take some. Quite nice, he cut his own lumber out of poplar wood, milled his own t sections for the braces, well its all scratch built except for some Precision Steel Car parts,still unpainted. He used some type of Elmers poly glue that sticks the wood to metal so well you cant with reasonable force brake the joint. Right now he is in the process of installing brakes on his trucks so it will be a while before its painted and to get the full effect of it I will get the pix before that
happens.
Oh yes he did use a plastic roof from Cannonball.
Boyd.
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:31:20 -0000
From: "johansteam"
Subject: Re: Stock Car
Hi Boyd,
Thanks for the reply ......... Taking photos of the unpainted car would be nice. This way a person can "steal with the eyes" what exexperts are doing. :-)
Johan.
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:39:33 +0800
From: "Johan Pretorius"
Subject: Re: Re: Stock Car
Boyd, Ooooooops, sorry about the "typo". It should be "Experts" and not "exexperts"
Johan.
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:23:17 +0200
From: "Leon Kamffer"
Subject: Re: Re: Walschaerts Gear
I suggest get the valve gear software and play around with the dimensions. It helps a lot to understand exactly what to do. I got the latest recently at http://www.tcsn.net/charlied/ Just changing the lap alters thing drastically as all dimensions are related to cutoff, valve travel. One only has to download the one you need.
Leon
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:48:42 -0000
From: "johansteam"
Subject: Re: Walschaerts Gear
Hello Leon,
Thanks for the info regarding Charlie Dockstatter's software. I have downloaded it quite some time ago, however i really would like to know if the "Ports" should show, when i do the "dead center" thingy as described in my previous e-mail.? ( i suppose that would be the "Lead", or is it not so.?)
Johan.
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:06:11 +0200
From: "Hannes Paling"
Subject: Re: Re: Walschaerts Gear
Hi Johan
With the piston in the most forward position, the valve should be opened to the full amount of the designed lead, the same with the piston in the most rearward position. The combination lever is responsible for the lap +
lead movement and is designed to provide this. When I design walshaerts gear I make the lead 10% of the lap with the lap equal to the port width, this provides a gear with a maximum cut-off of 75% , by reducing the lap
a higher % cut-off can be obtained but I have never felt the desire to use more than 75%.
You mention a 6mm wide steam port, is your exhaust port double the steam port width?. Your locomotive valve gear was designed with a exhaust port width of 1/2" and steam port 1/4" with lap also 1/4", lead 0.7mm giving a total valve travel of 26.8mm.. Did you alter the slide valve dimensions as well as the combination lever dimensions to suite your smaler ports?. If not you will have a longer valve travel than you need with the resultant non lead opening of the ports in mid gear.
A properly designed Walschaerts valve gear, properly made and fitted, should with a light load keep the locomotive running smoothly in mid gear position, running on lead steam only.
Hope this explains what you are experiencing, for furher questions contact me off line.
Best Regards
Hannes
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:50:53 -0700
From: "Mike Decker"
Subject: Re: Re: Walschaerts Gear
Hi Johan:
With the Radius Rod in "mid gear", if you have "lead" designed into your gear, it would show as a "cracked open" port when you were on "dead centers".
Walschaerts valve gear controls the lap and lead movement of the valve by the proportions between the short and long ends of the "Combination Lever". You could measure if there is enough valve movement for the port
opening by watching your valve as you go from one dead center to the other. The movement of the valve from front to back dead center should be a distance of twice your "lap" plus twice your "lead". If the valve doesn't move far enough, then your "lap" is too great for the width of your ports and the available travel in your "Combination Lever". The easiest "fix" if the travel is sufficient, would be to shorten up your valve length. Martin Evans, in his book "Manual of Model Steam Locomotive Construction", suggests that, with a gear such as Walschaerts, the "Lap" should be between 3/4 and 1 times the port width, and the "Lead" should be between 1/9th and 1/13th of the "Lap". With your dimensions, that should be a "Lap" of about 4.5mm and a lead of about .45mm, for a total "end to end" valve travel of about 9.9mm in "Mid Gear". Since your valve travel is established, I would measure the length of the valve travel, divide it by two, pick a "Lap" and "Lead" dimension that falls inside those parameters, and adjust the length of the valve accordingly. When your gear is in "Mid Gear" and your piston is at the center of its' stroke, the valve should be centered over your ports. The "full size" method of setting valves, and the one I used on 15" gauge locos, is the "tram" method, as described in Yoder & Wharen's "Lcomotive Valves and Valve Gears". We had an original copy at Sandley's, but it has been re-printed by Camden Miniature Steam Services in England.
As an aside, when I was designing 15" gauge locomotives, I would generally use full port "Lap" and about 1/16th of an inch for "Lead".
I hope this helps.
By the way, what type of Loco are you building?
Best,
Mike Decker, Hot Springs, SD
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:16:50 -0000
From: "fred veenschoten"
Subject: Re: Walschaerts Gear
in addition to what has been said here:
when the piston is at either end of it's stroke you should be able to throw the gear from forward to reverse without the valve moving. if the valve moves at all there is something out of wack.
fred v
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:38:39 +0200
From: "Johan"
Subject: Re: Re: Walschaerts Gear
A very big "Thanks" to Hannes, Mike, Fred and Leon. The information that I needed came from Hannes and Mike. Incidently the motion is correct, as far as Fred, has suggested. It tallies on both ends with the Radius rod moving up and down, without the valve moving. I realise now, that when I made the motion, I only used the "Lap" in the equation and thought that the "Lead" would automatically follow .......... Stupid of me. :-(
The final result will be the fact that I have to shorten both valves, on both sides, to allow for the necessary lead. Thanks ever so much, Gents.
Hannes, I'll give you a call tomorrow morning.
Mike, it is a 0-4-2 Tank Loco in 7 1/4". The Proto type is a 2' gauger and were used in the Sugar Industry. She is still alive and kicking :-)) .
Kindest Regards, to all,
Johan.
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:37:01 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" Scale Heisler of Seattle, WA
REPLY:
Dennis Riches was the builder of the Heisler referred to. He is near 90 years of age, and is no longer active.
He sold the Heisler to the Nicholson Co., and it is currently on display at their plant on Vancouver Island. None of the folks there are knowledgeable on the subject, as far as I know. If you wanted to visit the plant, I could obtain the address.
Howard Springer
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:30:19 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" Scale Heisler of Seattle, WA
Would this be it Howard / Dennis ?
CANADA:
FOREST PRODUCTS
EQUIPMENT GROUP
HEADQUARTERS
NICHOLSON MANUFACTURING LTD.
9896 GALARAN ROAD
P.O. BOX 2128
SIDNEY, BC CANADA V8L 3S6
E-MAIL: forestsales@nmwa.com
PHONE: 250-656-3131
FAX: 250-656-3111
--
Arno
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:16:33 -0500
From: SZuiderveen@aol.com
Subject: Re:Details
Try this:
http://www.hollyhockfarms.com/branchline/brake.htm
Steve Zuiderveen
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:01:10 -0800
From: DENNIS DALLA VICENZA
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" Scale Heisler of Seattle, WA
That's the place. I drove by it fifteen minutes ago to see about getting my boiler being built down the road from there. I hate the influx of business in BC at present as no one wants to commit to projects that are under a few hundred thousand ion profit. I may end up boycotting the 2010 games. :-)
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:12:23 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" Scale Heisler of Seattle, WA
Arno Martens:
I'm not sure of the address as you sent it, but it sure looks as though it should get it.
I understand it's on the fringe of the Sidney airport. Denis should know the terrritory better than I
Howard Springer
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:04:25 EST
From: Mikado8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re:Details
Some pictures, great workmanship and details. How long have you been working on this engine?
Bill
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:50:12 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Re: Re:Details
Thank you very much, am building two gons so they would work fine, now, hate to do this but need the separate ones for a caboose,they are separate, while I could use the triple valve by cutting it off of the tank/cylinder assembly the tank isn't right for a caboose, will have to think on that for a while. I do thank you though as am just getting started on the gons so that will work on them perfectly.
Boyd
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Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:59:41 +1300
From: Grant & Donna Alexander
Subject: Wato Works
Hi Guys,
Can any one tell me where Wato Works have gone? I have a friend who has started the Lil Mogul and he's looking for patterns etc.
Grant Alexander
Squirrel Valley,
Cambridge,
New Zealand.
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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:53:24 -0600
From: "Rick White"
Subject: Re: Wato Works
Roll Models Inc (RMI) puchased the narrow gauge loco business from Wato, see
http://www.rmirailworks.com/
Rick White
Texas USA
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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:13:58 -0800
From: "James Hoback"
Subject: Re: Wato Works
See http://users.bigpond.net.au/gabrep/wato/
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Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:53:20 -0800
From: DENNIS DALLA VICENZA
Subject: Re: Wato Works
Grant,
Last I looked Keith's still there. I have all his details at home and will forward to you in about 48 hours when I get back to my home.
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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:42:48 -0000
From: "joelpking7"
Subject: Traction and Trolley Suppliers
I am looking for any suppliers of 1.5 inch scale traction equipment, primarly trucks, castings, etc.
I know there have been some in the Ohio area in the past.
Does any one know who is producing what at this time?
Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:03:43 -0000
From: "Donald Bauer"
Subject: Re: Traction and Trolley Suppliers
I too, would like to see any info uncovered on this topic. I tried to research it about a year ago, and found most of the people who had been involved have gone on to the great interurban in the sky. One fellow who had taken over some of the patterns, etc. was having personal problems at the time, and I never heard back from him. Maybe we have to start over, again.
Don Bauer
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:09:04 -0000
From: "William Van Lenten"
Subject: Re: Traction and Trolley Suppliers
Check with Cannonball, in Oaklahoma, They have trucks and parts for the Jolley Trolley.
Bill
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:54:42 -0800 (PST)
From: paul garin
Subject: Re: Wato Works
HI GUYS,
ALL OF THE FORMER WATO PATTERNS ARE NOW AT ROLL MODELS. GIVE US A CALL (559) 441-8686 AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN HELP.
ALL THE BEST,
PVG
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:04:45 -0800
From: Ken Burns
Subject: Progress RGS #41
My web site, www.projectrgs41.org has finally been up dated through this past Friday. We ran the engine for the first time this Saturday at Flintridge & Portola Valley. It ran nearly perfectly, with two cylinder cocks not closing completely. Kim Beard, principal builder and I very pleased. We will up load photos and a video of the first run in the next couple of weeks.
Ken Burns
Added by the moderator:
Here is the photo, which Ken sent to me:
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:25:26 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"
Subject: RE: Progress RGS #41
Ken, 41 is lookin sharp keep us informed.
Later:
tom@srclry.com
Tom Casper
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:33:22 GMT
From: "btflco@juno.com"
Subject: Re: Progress RGS #41
Congrats to you all on the fireup! WE are all looking forward to a ride behind the 41 SOON! The rest will go quickly now and you will all be ready for TM.
Seeya
Jeff Badger
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