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7-Plus-NGM Digest June 2006
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Tue Jun 6, 2006 7:32 am
"Frolin Marek"
LA to San Diego options
Hi Folks,
Trying to locate some possible track options to visit on a trip to the LA and San Diego (and between) area, later in June.
Tried to reach folks at the Orange Co. Model Engineers without success.
Also trying to reach Tom Gazsi, and have bad email for.
Anyone know of or have a track or can put me in touch with, any tracks in that area? Maybe / hoping with narrow gauge equipment?
And anyone have a good email address for Tom, can send him this posting for him to contact me?
My email is --> Frolin@Frolin.Net
thanks,
Frolin Marek
San Antonio, Texas
http://www.Frolin.net
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Date: Mon Jun 5, 2006 10:55 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "James Keeline" keeline@yahoo.com
Re: LA to San Diego options
Some of the layouts in southern California include:
LA Live Steamers, Griffith Park (near Burbank)
Orange County Model Engineers (Costa Mesa)
Riverside Live Steamers (steam only)
Southern California Live Steamers
and our hometown group,
Chula Vista Live Steamers, Rohr Park (in Bonita)
CVLS meets on the second Saturday (Jun 10) and the following Sunday (12:00-2:30 for public rides).
Guest engineers and equipment are usually not a problem at CVLS once you talk with one of the
club officers.
I know that LALS is reevaluating their safety inspections, particularly for non-member equipment.
Riverside is steam only as their domain name implies. I'm not sure if OCME allows non-members to
run. I couldn't get a consistent answer when Kim and I visited a couple months ago.
We have some photo galleries http://Keeline.com/photos
James
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Date: Mon Jun 5, 2006 11:09 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "James Keeline" keeline@yahoo.com
Re: LA to San Diego options
Other railroad interests include the railroad where we volunteer, the Poway-Midland RR (42" gauge). Also of interest is the San Diego Railroad Museum in Campo (standard gauge), the San Diego Model Railroad Museum in Balboa Park (N thru G), the Orange Empire Railroad Museum in Peris (Riverside Co.).
We have a couple of model railroad stores, such as Reed's Hobbies in La Mesa if you're into smaller scales as well.
James
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Date: Mon Jun 5, 2006 11:11 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "Raymond Hill" smallhand27@yahoo.com
Re: LA to San Diego options
--- Frolin,
Ihave forewarded your e-meil to Tom Gazi and to the President of OCME.
Ray Hill
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Date: Tue Jun 6, 2006 7:29 am (PDT)
Posted by: "James Hoback" jlh@GOLDRUSH.COM
Re: LA to San Diego options
Frolin,
I've sent your message on to the last address I have for Tom Gazsi. It has been a while since I have heard from him though, so I don't know if the address is still good.
Regards,
Jim Hoback
Sonora, CA
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Date: Wed Jun 7, 2006 9:25 am (PDT)
Posted by: "Scott Hahn" scotthahn@adelphia.net
New "Club" Forming - Colorado Springs
I'm looking for live steam railroad modelers in the Colorado Springs area who'd be interested in getting together on a regular basis.
Please contact me OFF LIST by replying to scotthahn@adelphia.net.
Thanks kindly.
Scott
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Date: Thu Jun 8, 2006 12:18 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "Hannes Paling" japeng@mweb.co.za
Avonside 2065
Hi members
Some years ago I built a 7 1/4" model of Avonside 0-4-2 Tank loco, works number 2065 from original drawings I got from the Hunslet engine company, I disposed of the engine some years ago. I have decided to build another one from my previously made sketches, A new album has been created in the foto section with some pictures of some parts made to date.The cylinders as seen in the pictures were carved from lumps of cast iron 180 mm in diameter and 180 mm long.
2 foot gauge sugar cane loco
Cylinder 1
Cylinder 4
Cylinder 2
Cylinder 3
Cutting ports & passages
Frames - Trial assembly
Chimney - Fabrication from pre turned parts
Smokebox
Wheels - Machined disc wheels
UVE No 2 - Avonside 2065, Umtwalumi Valley Estates No 2
I will be ading pictures to the album as I progress.
The picture of the finnished model, was of the first one constructed, not me driving, but gives a indication of the size, almost 1/3 fullsize.
Hannes
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Date: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:04 am (PDT)
Posted by: "narrowbend" Lavrich@win4co.com
Copper Boiler Assembly Help
I have a friend over in Syosset, NY, Keith Denton, member of the Long Island Live Steamers, who is looking for someone to assemble a copper boiler for his 0-4-0 at a resonable price. He has all the parts ready, but does not have the equipment or skills to put it together. Can anyone in that area help or provide a reference? I will forward relevant messages to him.
Thank you in advance,
Michael Lavrich, Bend, OR, looking forward to seeing lots of you a Train Mountain's Triennial!
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Date: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:29 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "scott" smolden52@netzero.net
7 1/2" guage railroad in SE Minnesota
Hello,
I'm new to this group and am enjoying the sharing of the hobby. I have a newly completed 1150'- 7 1/2" rr in SE Minnesota. I also have a small 4 3/4" - 3 1/2" track. No unloading facilities as of yet, but they are planned for as needed.
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Date: Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:46 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "mrjcad@netscape.net" mrjcad@netscape.net
7 1/2" guage railroad in SE Minnesota
welcome to the group! Wow, 1150' of track, that took a lot of time and money! What do you have in the way of rolling stock?
Regards
Laurence Johnson,
hometrainmaker
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Date: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:10 am (PDT)
Posted by: "Thomas" pluto@egix.net
Re: 7 1/2" guage railroad in SE Minnesota
Hi Scott.
Will you let visitors run on you track?
and if so where do you have this track located.
There is a group of Live Steamer here in Central Illinois that do travel to other track locations around the country from time to time and sometime, if on a trip to Minnesota, I would like to stop by to see your layout.
Thomas Scott
Monticello, Illinois
the home of the Monticello Railway Museum.
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Date: Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:11 am (PDT)
Posted by: "scott" smolden52@netzero.net
7 1/2" track in SE Minnesota
Hello,
My track was begun in 2003 with the marking of the line and an initial laying in of ballast along the proposed right of way.I recieved rail in may 2004, started track laying, and had an sw from railsystems delived in july of 2004. Only 3 switches on the rr at this time , with more needed and proposed.I layed approx. 350' of track the first year, 450'in 2005, and the rest this spring. . I was blessed with relatively flat terrain and figure there is only 1% of rise or fall, with only some fills to get over the property. My property encompasses an original piece that was a branch of the old Chicago Great Western. That piece is 100' x 1/2 mile long. My 1150' loop is on the south end of my property and I will add a branch that will run the length of the old rr property through patchs of oak that run the edge of the rr right of way. Of interest, this CGW branch ran all the Hormel products North out of Austin,MN to connect with the main CGW at Hayfield MN. I reckon all of the that SPAM (meat) the world came to the know of ,ran right down this old line.
Yes , I want to host visitors, I need to install facilities for that, which I intend to do. My rr is the
RedRockandNorthernRailroad...I have a site,which is to be put in the
address bar as it won't come up with a search....Groups.MSN.COM/RedRockandNorthenRailroad
Scott
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Date: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:39 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "scott" smolden52@netzero.net
RR&N
Hi,
I posted a few pictures of the RedRockandNorthern. Oh, I also have an 0-4-0 ,from Little Engines, on order for january 07..scott
South end of loop
also south end of loop
grading for branch
SE corner of loop,far side of pic-future branch site
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Date: Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:44 am (PDT)
Posted by: "Donald Bauer" DBauer2250@aol.com
Re: RR&N
Hi Scott:
I am in the beginning stages of track building. Your pics look good.
Did you use any heavy equipment to grade or any special techniques (like hiring labor) to get it done. I find going out to build track panels is tedious.
Don
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Date: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:57 am (PDT)
Posted by: "wjamief" pbjrr@jf2.com
PB&JRR: new 7.5" railroad in Nipomo, CA
Hi All!
I don't think I've introduced myself to this group yet...
The PB&J Railroad is a small 7.5" gauge "backyard" operation on 2 acres in Nipomo, CA (about 1/2-way between L.A. and San Francisco along the coast). We started laying track about a year ago, and we're about to close the first loop (hopefully by mid July).
The web site has all kinds of construction pics:
http://www.jf2.com/pbjrr/
(And more!...)
There's also a g-scale layout on the grounds, and there will be a 7.5"/g-scale crossover!
Jamie
P.S. I'm also the webman for Bitter Creek Western:
http://www.bittercreekwesternrr.org/
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Date: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:47 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "Dennis Dalla-Vicenza" trainz@shaw.ca
#10 Superheat metal Packing.
Hi astute list members,
I was asked a question and just knew this list would know where to find the following.
We have a Baldwin saddle tank Mikado that is in dire need of some #10 Superheat Metal packing of the King packing type Piston Rod 3.105" If you know of the whereabouts of any in North America could you please contact
Neil Malbon, Manager
McLean Mill National Historic Site
5633 Smith Road
Port Alberni, BC
V9Y 8M1
Phone: (250) 723-1379
Email: mclean@island.net
I will be away for three weeks (Train Mountain) so please respond direct to Neil if you can help.
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada
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Date: Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:30 am (PDT)
Posted by: "Grant & Donna Alexander" gscale@clear.net.nz
Steel Boilers
Hi Guys,
What thoughts does anyone have on steel boilers, more specifically the storage between steam-ups. Wet (full) or dry?
And whilst in use, is it important to use boiler treatment, and what does it do? Stop rust, stop scale buildup? Someone said it takes the oxygen out of the water but that's dumb! If you take the O from H2O you only have H !! That WOULD make our loco's lighter, running with straight Hydrogen in the boilers!!
Any thoughts on boiler storage, and treatment most appreciated.
Grant Alexander
Squirrel Valley,
Cambridge,
New Zealand.
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Date: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:28 am (PDT)
Posted by: "Michael Guy" mguy@ca.inter.net
Re: Steel Boilers
Grant,
I store my engine dry to avoid frost damage in the winter. There are good anti-corrosion reasons to use boiler treatment and leave it full year round if you can. Removing dissolved oxygen from the water is beneficial as oxidation of the steel cannot occur without it. The O part of H2O is bound in "solid" and takes no part in the corrosion process.
A good primer read on boiler treatment is available here:
http://www.portatreatment.com/
Regards,
Michael Guy
Toronto.
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Date: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:16 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "William Van Lenten" mosquitojunction@netscape.net
Re: Steel Boilers
First I use LSB8000 water tratment. It keeps the scale and impurities to a minimum. Also the best way to store a steel boiler is dry. The LSB inhibitor will leave a coating on the steel and keep the rust from forming.16 boilers and have never had rust, scale or corrosion form
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Date: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:05 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "gscale@clear.net.nz" gscale@clear.net.nz
Re: Steel Boilers
Once the boiler is empty, how do you get it completely dry, and keep it that way?
Grant
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Date: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:57 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "Peter Beevers" peter@beevers.org.uk
Re: Steel Boilers
Grant,
To keep it dry, put a low-wattage lightbulb in the firebox. At our society we use 10 or 25w bulbs all winter.
Also remember to leave all taps etc. open (especially the injector water feeds), and, if possible, remove the washout plugs.
Peter
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Date: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:57 am (PDT)
Posted by: "Grant & Donna Alexander" gscale@clear.net.nz
Re: Steel Boilers
Thanks very much, that low wattage bulb seems like an excellent idea.
Grant.
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Date: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:46 am (PDT)
Posted by: "Mike Decker" mdecker@gwtc.net
Steel Boilers
Hi Grant, Folks:
At Sandley's (15" gauge), we would fire up tithe engine one more time after we were done with the season, crank in some extra cylinder oil, and blow it down hot on the turntable. Then, we'd push it into the house, open all the valves and take off the steam gauges to keep them from freezing.
Best,
Mike Decker
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Date: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:37 am (PDT)
Posted by: "Hannes Paling" japeng@mweb.co.za
Steel Boilers
Hi Grant & others
When I put my steel boilered loco in storage, I would bring it up to about 100psi, drop the fire, at which point the temperature of the boiler would above 150C. and follw this by a complete blowdown. In theory any moisture
should be evaporated but just in case I left the blowdown open and removed 1 safety valve, so that the boiler could ventilate, a sixty watt globe was put in the fire box for about a week just to make sure.
Regards
Hannes
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Date: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:01 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "bgwmoxie@aol.com" bgwmoxie@aol.com
Re: Steel Boilers
As dumb as it sounds to some....taking the O out of the H2O is common practice in most steam generating applications...Less to no "O" is a benefit.
In some cases there is a Unit called a deaerator specifically for doing just that, along with adding certain chemicals.
Using HP steam sprayed through the flow of condensate helps extract as much "O" as possible by flashing the condensate i.e. the make-up and allowing the uncondensables to be vented to atmosphere or be bottom blown in the boiler.
The "O" in certain circumstances causes pitting as a non-condensable and in other cases cause accelerated erosion on the inside boilers....
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Date: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:56 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "Bill Laird" Bill-Laird@satx.rr.com
Re: Steel Boilers
Grant and others.
After a run and when I return to my shop and unload my steam engine, I air up the boiler using an air compressor and blow it down several times until there is no visible moisture in the air blowing out of the blowdowns.
I built an air heater which is a small aquiriam pump which pumps air at low pressure through a coil of copper tubing wrapped around a 100 watt light bulb and then into the top of the boiler. I leave the blowdowns open and the warm air pumped into the top of the boiler exits through the blowdowns. I place the heater inside the firebox so that excess heat also warms the boiler shell. I leave the thing going for several days and when placing my hand on the boiler wrapper I can feel that it is warm.
Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas
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Date: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:49 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "Hubert Wetekamp" hubert@wetekamp.de
Ridgway Roundhouse Products
Hello from Train Mountain,
during his seminar this morning, Paul Lavacot announced, that he has the website for Ridgway Roundhouse Products running, but at the moment only the starting- and contact-page.
He plans to upgrade the site during the next weeks, so that perhaps in soon future all available parts can be viewed and ordered online.
See his website under:
http://www.ridgwayroundhouseproducts.com/
Greetings from your moderator
Hubert at Train Mountain
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