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7-Plus-NGM Digest July 2006
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Date: Wed Jul 5, 2006 8:21 pm (PDT)
Posted by: "Daniel F. Morris" dfm@sscom.org
Many Train Pixs
To All:
I have stumbled across a very interesting site which is all railroad pixs.
These pixs are from all over the world and show steam, diesel, & electric.
This page also allows you to view 100s of pixs via slideshows.
URL is: http://www.flickr.com/groups/railways/pool/
Enjoy!
Dan Morris
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:49:50 -0000
From: "k36no4862002"
Subject: Challenger Wheels
Hi all,
I've just started machining my challenger wheels and I have hit a small pob.
Does anybody know how far the balance weight sticks out from the rim of the wheel on the full size loco?
Thanks in advance for any help
Paul
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:04:28 -0500
From: "leon risenhoover"
Subject: Re: Challenger Wheels
the bigboy drawings say 3-5/8 on the main 3-1/2 on the rest. however the 4-6-6-4's are not listed on the drawing. if these are goldmans castings it should be on the drawing
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:16:38 -0700
From: "Charlie Meinershagen-Susan Weale"
Subject: Re: Challenger Wheels
Hi all,
The Triennial was a great event. Is there anyone besides me that found those cute little critters making a nest in their locos? My electric loco sat out for only one night. I guess they didn't have time to start a family.
Charlie
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:00:04 -0000
From: "k36no4862002"
Subject: Re: Challenger Wheels
The castings are from my own pattern as the Challenger is a 2" scale rather than the normal 1.5" but still running on 7 1/4 rails.
3.5" divided by 6 is about 1/2" which is not far off my 10mm guess so that should be OK.
Thanks for the help.
Regards
Paul
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:03:12 -0400
From: "Ralph Reese"
Subject: RE: Challenger Wheels
I have wheel drawings at home, I can check tonight if you do not get an answer before then
Ralph Reese
St. Augustine, FL
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:53:44 -0500
From: "leon risenhoover"
Subject: Re: Re: Challenger Wheels
I am building a bigboy and casting my own parts as well in which case a guestimate is good enough. just be sure to add clearance for the built in lateral motion. mine will have 3/8 inch lateral, the main drive axles will be a little less 1/16 inch. what do you plan on using for lateral centering? (proto spring loaded?)
Leon in Luther
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:47:28 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"
Subject: Re: Challenger Wheels
Charlie:
Did all the steam engine have to have a stack cover or a spark arrester? I was looking at some picture that had been posted and it seem that all the steam engine were using some type of spark arrester.
Mike Looney
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:10:28 -0000
From: "k36no4862002"
Subject: Re: Challenger Wheels
Lateral play - I was going to have say 1/8 play on each axlebox.
Not very technical but it worked on my 2 1/2" scale K36 just fine I've managed to get that around 25ft curves OK. (some blind drivers)
I'm not sure that he wheelbase on the Challenger is going to be the prob - I expect that the amount of movement on the front power unit will be the bigger issue - especially as I'm going to try and get this to go round 60ft curves.
When I make some progress I'll post some pics.
Paul
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:13:30 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: Re: Challenger Wheels
Did all the steam engine have to have a stack cover or a spark arrester? I was looking at some picture that had been posted and it seem that all the steam engine were using some type of spark arrester.
At the Triennial any steamer not fired with propane had to have a spark arrestor. As it was there were three or more small fires (quickly put out by fire crews and drivers) and the conditions were extreme. I am planning to add some sort of arrestor apparatus to my loco as a result if I do go with coal firing.
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:41:12 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Sparks
About those arrestors, it was amazing when the coal burners were operating at night even with screens on to see all of the sparks come out, Quentin was standing with me talking when the K36 went by quite a show. We again were very lucky as everything was so dry that there went more, also there was a smoking on the rails ban in effect too. Everyone cooperated with all of the rules, another very safe meet, lots of very nice people from all over the world came, some were talking in there native language but all were there for the same reason, trains and to have a good time.Even that guy and his wife from Vancouver Island, never did get that hamburger, but hey he tried as I was too busy pumping fuel, somewhere around 600 gallons of propane went into the engines in a little over a week, several hundred diesel and gas also were used, couldn't gauge the electrics but the sky lit up one night and supplied more.
Boyd Butler
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:52:37 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: Re: Sparks
Even that guy and his wife from Vancouver Island, never did get that hamburger, but hey he tried as I was too busy pumping fuel
Boyd,
Denise will attest that I did make several attempts to stuff a hamburger into you but you either were already chomping on one or were too busy fuelling locomotives. The way I figure it with compound interest and all I should owe you a thick Porterhouse or T-Bone by '09.
It was really nice meeting you and a whack of other 7+ people at the meet. Looking forward to attending a meet or two before the next Triennial.
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada
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Date: 8 Jul 2006 15:51:28 -0000
From: 7-plus-NGM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the 7-plus-NGM group.
Mel restencling 5-27-6
501 with new lettering, the whole side, 6-26-06
brake linkage, the brake linkage on our new trucks,6-26-6
masking removed on #501, 06-26-06
truck lineup, heading to paint shop, 6-26-06
2 trucks up closer, 7-1-6
Trucks out of paint shop, 7-1-6
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Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 16:38:37 -0000
From: "green2steam"
Subject: Train Mountain Pix?
Hello All,
This is my first post here and was just wondering since the Train Mountain Tri-Annual is over if anyone had any pix? I have never been but hope to make it in 09.
I hear it is a trainlovers paradise.
Thanks in advance!
green2steam
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:53:12 -0700
From: "Bob"
Subject: RE: Train Mountain Pix?
Hi green2steam , Check out this web site for current pictures .
http://www.discoverlivesteam.com/photogallery/TM06/index.htm
TTYL Bob
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:42:40 -0700
From: "Steve Hughes"
Subject: Re: Train Mountain Pix?
Go to www.discoverlivesteam.com
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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:14:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bob Dobrowolski
Subject: Train Mountain Question
I have never been to Train Mountain but have heard many stories about the place. Since I live on the east coast, my equipment is the wrong gauge, but I would still like to visit Train Mountain. Is it possible to attend the meets without bringing any equipment? And if I do show up without equipment, what is there to do? Does Train Mountain have equipment that can be rented for the duration of a meet?
Thanks,
Bob Dobrowolski
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:17:44 -0400
From: "russ@hobby-tronics.com"
Subject: RE: Train Mountain Question
Bob,
without bringing any equipment
You bet. Many folks can't bring their equipment including the over 30 plus foreign vistors. There were several trains running all day long giving trains rides to those that did not have equipment. Also several newbies used the ride to get a feel for the place before embarking on a run.
what is there to do
Train Mountain is unique as there is NO resident club to host the event.
The members are the guests and the guests are the members. The entire event is run by volunteers. Loading / unloading, equipment inspection, train rides, shuttle vans to and from the parking area, seminars hosted by 7+Magazine and put on by the volunteers. There is plenty to do.
rented
Train Mountain has rolling stock for rent as well as Roll Models trolleys available. But most will tell you that getting a ride or getting to run a train was not a problem.
Russ Wood
Chiloquin, Oregon
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Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:14:55 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: Re: Train Mountain Question
Bob,
My loco is far from finished so I went without equipment. Stayed next to Trevor and Janet Heath and had the use of Janet's big CP diesel. I rode trains, I talked trains and I ran trains and one night I even got to be helper service for a large UP steamer and her consist climbing Serpentine in the rain. Totally worth the expense of the trip for that one experience. Do go and plan to enjoy yourself.
I got to help with repair work on locomotives and even managed to volunteer for a couple of jobs that needed filling. Best train event I have ever been to and thank Quentin and his team for that.
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:19:26 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"
Subject: Indian Railway System
I have found another really neat web site for pixs, videos, and audio of the Indian Railway System. This site is packed with steam, diesel, & electric coverage. Check it out at: http://www.irfca.org/index.html
Enjoy!
Dan Morris
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:44:12 -0000
From: "William Van Lenten"
Subject: One of our engines
Hubert,
Did you get a chance to look at Robert Morris's engine?? It's one being built from our group. He was at Train Mountain, pushing it with another loco.
So far this engine looks great.
Bill
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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:38:08 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: Train Mountain Pictures
Hi all,
Trevor Heath has just uploaded a goodly number of pictures to his site www.livesteaming.com and i thought some of you would like a look.
Pictures of people from as far away as eastern Europe and Western Australia. Enjoy.
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:28:00 +0200
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"
Subject: Re: One of our engines
Hello Bill,
Hubert, Did you get a chance to look at Robert Morris's engine?? It's one being built from our group. He was at Train Mountain, pushing it with another loco. So far this engine looks great.
sadly not. I have seen the engine one time, as I was passing by on board a train, but had no chance to take a closer look.
As I was at that spot the next time by my feet, the engine was gone.
And after viewing the pictures on different pages, I missed a couple of engines too (a second Goose #6 beside the Goose of Paul Lavacot and the Bumble Bee with gas-engine for example).
But overall, it was a great meet, and I plan to return for the narrow-gauge-meet next april.
Hubert from Germany
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:19:08 -0000
From: "southern28016"
Subject: Colorado & Southern Smokebox Paint
List,
For those of you that have built locomotives with silver smokeboxes, what kind of paint do you use? I have used the bbq paint by rustoleum and it holds up on the boiler shell (water cooled) but not on the thin smokebox material that I have.
What do you guys think? Manifold paint?
Thanks in advance
Cam
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Moseley
Subject: Re: Colorado & Southern Smokebox Paint
Following a suggestion from Tom Miller, I put hi temp "stainless steel" color paint from Eastwood on my D&RGW C-16 268. Ron Schmidt used the hi temp paint from Rustoleum and it seems to be holding up.
Peter Moseley
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:26:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: ROBERT PETERSEN
Subject: Re: Colorado & Southern Smokebox Paint
List,
Krylon makes a silver grey paint in a spray can that they clame is good for 1000 F.
538 C.
The only number on the can is a stick on tag with the #1402 High Heat Aluminum and 2450401402
I hope that this will be helpful.
Bob
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:11:58 -0000
From: "stevehughesrgs20"
Subject: Smokebox Paint
As a novice builder, I have to ask why the traditional linseed oil and graphite mixture isn't used?
Steve Hughes
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:34:42 -0700
From: "James Hoback"
Subject: Re: Smokebox Paint
Steve,
I used this system on my 12" gauge locomotive for years. I heard about it via an article in Locomotive & Railway Preservation magazine written by the late Tommy Thompson of the Anacortes railway. Tommy had worked on the Spokane Portland & Seattle railroad during the days of steam and it was his job to give this treatment to their locomotives. His method, and the one I followed, used steam cylinder oil mixed with graphite. It had to be recoated fairly often but looked great.
Regards,
Jim Hoback
Sonora Short Line Ry.
Sonora, CA
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:50:09 EDT
From: tomeagles44@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smokebox Paint
Jim
I had the greatest pleasure of my life meeting Tommy Thompson in Anacortes, WA. while on active duty in the US Navy on TAD to the West Coast for the USMC, touring his RR, getting a cab ride, feeding the firebox with pine bark and helping turn the engine on the turntable, ruined a uniform that day but it was worth it.
What a beautiful engine, passenger cars: and railway he built, its too bad he never finished his steam powered rail car. And now both he and his Railrway are gone what a loss to the live steam community and future generations of railfans.
V/R
Tom Eagles
Simpsonville, SC
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:51:59 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"
Subject: Re: Colorado & Southern Smokebox Paint
Cam:
Go to any speed shop or PepBoy store and buy header paint, it will take the heat and last for a very long time. The heat off a header on a car is way more then you will have on your steam engine, and they come in many colors from black to silver to grey, and in between.
Mike Looney
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From: "Bill Laird"
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:22:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Colorado & Southern Smokebox Paint
Cam,
I used a spray can exhaust manifold paint from the local auto parts store. I used cast aluminum color and it turned out a nice silver. After a year of duty the paint never flaked off but got pretty dirty from stack exhaust. I just wiped it down with a degreaser, wiped it again with a paint prep, masked off handrails, etc., and repainted. Good as new.
An alternative is a process where a ceramic coating is baked onto the smokebox and stack. There is a local shop here that is doing that process. It is very popular with custom car buffs on the manifold and exhaust pieces on show cars. The result is a ceramic finish that just wipes clean and is impervious to dirt and grime and stands up to very high temperature. I have seen samples of a gray and dark silver. The process is not expensive, I would guess around $100 for smokebox and stack. Turnaround time is a few days. If you want more information I can get you the name and phone number of the local shop. If I ever have to remove my smokebox for maintenance reasons, I will have the smokebox and stack done with the ceramic process.
Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:08:02 -0700
From: "James Hoback"
Subject: Re: Smokebox Paint
Tom,
Tommy was one of those rare craftsmen that produced equipment with interiors like fine furniture. It was amazing and I hope it goes on display in a museum setting for all the world to see. On top of that he was a generous man with his time and equipment. I too took that great cab ride with Tommy on one occasion. In my opinion his ticket to heaven was bought and paid for way ahead of time.
Regards,
Jim Hoback
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:05:44 EDT
From: tomeagles44@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smokebox Paint
Jim
Not to keep this E-mail going forever but you really captured the essence of Tommy Thompson. Your so right about his family, they should put his equipment in a museum that way the memory of his talents, craftsmanship; engineering skills could be seen by Railroad fans forever.. I had thought that perhaps somebody should buy his equipment and keep it running, but who would/could keep it in such fabulous condition. For Tommy it was a labor of love,dedication & pride that few of us could match today. At this point in this E-mail I would say "enough said!" but never can enough be said about Mr.Tommy Thompson!
V/R
Tom Eagles
Simpsonville, SC
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:21:15 -0000
From: "stevehughesrgs20"
Subject: Coupler Height for 2 1/2 NG
Is there a standard height for couplers for 2 1/2 narrow gauge?
If so, how do you measure it, ie, top of the rail to bottom of the coupler?
Thanks!
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:13:01 -0700
From: "R.David S. CORMIE"
Subject: RE: Coupler Height for 2 1/2 NG
The height is measured from the rail top to center line of coupler.
I would check with your local clubs for height as it is somewhat variable but the standard used in this neck of the woods is 5.42".
Given that the knuckle is nearly two inches high a slight variation from that is not going to mean a hill of beans.
As most of the prototype were NOT interconnecting, even they could not get their act together as well and had several 'standards'. I have seen prototype couplers here on NG logging trains with knuckles that had extensions nearly a foot either side of center to accommodate bad track and lax standards.
The couplers also vary by mfg. and you would be wise if you want to connect with other 2.5"ers to use the same type the locals use. Roll Models makes a nice 2.5" coupler at a good price. It appears that that is the coupler of choice at train mountain so I think it is a good place to start.
Dave C.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:26:53 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"
Subject: Web Site Update
To All:
Check out "Live Steaming In The Pacific Northwest" which has a greatly improved "Cool Links" page. The page has many new Live Steam Clubs, Suppliers, & Related Railroad Sites. Also is mentioned a superb DVD which is on Tom Miller's incredible track in Oregon.
Check this out and more at: http://www.sscom.org/pnwls.html
Enjoy!
Dan Morris
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:08:04 -0400
From: "mikell"
Subject: Frappr owner
I'm the owner of the owner of the frapper train sites if you have any problems please contact me.
mikell
http://www.frappr.com/grandscalerailroads
http://www.frappr.com/eighttotwelveinchrailroads
http://www.frappr.com/seventoeightinchrailroads
http://www.frappr.com/2footandlargerrailroads
www.hesstonvolunteers.com
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006
From: "Hannes Paling"
Subject: Re: Avonside 2065
Rear truck assembly
Maching keyway's in axles
Chimney, smokebox & saddle fitted to frame
machined peticoat pipe ready for fitting
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:23:28 -0000
From: "wdbarbe"
Subject: WATO Lil Lima
I have seen pictures of this engine, but never seen one in action.
How well does it perform? Has anyone tried to adapt this design, but use bar type frames and stevenson valve gear to make it more "American". I have heard it is supposed to be 2 1/2 scale, but it looks a little big. If anyone has knowledge of this design, I would appreciate comments.
Bill
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:47:51 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: Re: WATO Lil Lima
An acquaintance of mine has a L'il Lima and it is a very powerful little locomotive. If you can find one for sale go for it.
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:58:39 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"
Subject: Photo Gallery
To All:
Thanks to a friend I just found a superb site; it's the BNSF photo gallery.
Covers all the rail lines that are now the BNSF with an endless amount of pixs.
http://photos.bnsf.com/Gallery/home.asp
Dan Morris
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:32:02 +1000
From: "George Paxon"
Subject: Re: Train Mountain Pix?
I am about ready to roll my tender sheets to form the back corners and the front water legs and was wondering what experiences anyone else on the list might have had with this task. I have a rolling jig drawn on paper and am about to start making it. Thought I would ask as someone might have some info that will save me some grief.
By the way for anyone building a D&RGW C-19 from Dave Conway's plans, I have had very good asssitance from Paul Lavacot with parts that were once offerred by both Dave and Rudy. He is timley and a very good source of supply which I highly recommend. It is unfortuante that many of our suppliers are not all that crash hot. This is somewhat do to the fact that most are modellers and only have a part time involvement in the supply side I guess.
Cheers,
Geo A Paxon
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:46:42 +0800
From: "Craig Belcher"
Subject: Couplers
Hi everybody,
I am buyilding large scale loco (3 3/4" scale) and would like to fit it with scale couplings, can anybody recomend a supplier?
I know of the Real Trains items, just seeing if there are other choices available...
Craig Belcher
Perth
Western Australia
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 08:08:30 -0400
From: VANCENICK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Couplers
I am a Roll Models dealer and we have large couplers also.
Vance Nickerson
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 08:51:17 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"
Subject: Re: Couplers
Check with RMI.
Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:04:24 -0500
From: "Rick White"
Subject: Re: Couplers
Craig,
Large 2.5 inch scale couplers might well work for small 3.75 inch scale couplers. If you go to the photo section for this group at http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/7-plus-NGM/photos and choose the first album, "2.5 inch scale RMI Couplers" you will see the Roll Models large 2.5inch scale couplers. These are esentially standard gauge 2.5 inch scale couplers because some Colorado narrow gauge railroads used standard gauge couplers. There are also smaller 2.5 inch scale couplers, and those might not work well for 3.75 inch gauge. I am using these couplers on my 2.5 inch scale narrow gauge equipment.
Right Side Un-Modified RMI 2.5
Front Un-Modified RMI 2.5 inch
Rear Un-Modified RMI 2.5 inch
Left Side Un-Modified RMI 2.5
RMI-Coupler-IMG_2415-Un-Mod-Bot-Nuckle-400
Bottom Right Un-Modified RMI
Rick White
LCC & FB RR
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:28:30 +0800
From: "Craig Belcher"
Subject: Re: Couplers
Thanks guy's,
Much appreciated.
Vance can you give me some details offlist of the couplings RMI has?
Craig Belcher
Perth Western Australia
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