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7-Plus-NGM Digest August 2006
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:24:00 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"
Subject: Willow Creek Railroad Pixs & Back On Track
To All:
I am pleased to say I am pretty much back on track after my sudden illness in June. I would like to thank you all for your thoughts & prayers in regards to my well being. The doctor says no hauling around my own trains
this year, but photography is just fine in moderation. So last weekend I was able to attend "The Great Oregon Steam-Up" in Brooks, Oregon. This is where the 1/8 scale Willow Creek Railroad is located. Visiting with friends and fellow Live Steamers is by far better than any meds the doctor could give! The Steam-Up show was just like watching RFD-TV, but in person.
Also on Saturday evening my friend Roy Anderson made a memorial presentation for his loving wife Cecilia L. Anderson. Roy presented Willow Creek Railroad with a custom made 1/8 scale Dash 8 Locomotive for their club engine. I know the WCRR club was quite overwhelmed with this incredible gift, which is greatly appreciated.
Check Out these pixs and more at: "Live Steaming In The Pacific Northwest"
Enjoy!
Dan Morris
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 07:40:23 -0000
From: "hwboivin"
Subject: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
I'm currently building a Narrow Gauge Climax. I have the basic frame complete and I am starting to build the engine and trucks. I am curious if there is a max. overall width that I should stay under, as I have been told that a lot of tracks don't have the clearance for wide Narrow gauge engines. If anyone can give me some approx overall widths of some of your engines, so I can compare, that would be great. Currently my width of the climax is 20". I don't know of very many big engines in my area, except the "Harris" "Mich-Cal" shay, which if my memory is correct is 18"
thanks
Harry
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 05:46:39 -0700
From: "R.David S. CORMIE"
Subject: RE: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
I can't imagine any track couldn't handle an engine 20 inches wide. That is pretty much the standard width for 2.5" That is only 2" more side clearance than 1.6" equipment would be.
What club or group would put anything closer than 18/20 inches from track center line. Can you imagine just how many feet and hands that anything closer would compromise?
The largest locomotive we have had on our track was a 30.5 wide shay visiting from Australia and the only problem we had was the vertical pipes on the turntable ends that we use to armstrong the table. They are 30
inches apart so we had to give them a pull by two of our larger members to squeak the beautiful monster on to the main. Other than that no problem.
Just think about it. Twenty inches is nothing. How many of us have watched a departing train with a "large" person on a car that has a very very wide butt. Many times we have joked in the station that if that "lots of junk in the trunk" passenger doesn't come back then they are stuck in one of the bridges and we will have to send out a rescue party. They all come back.
Dave C
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:35:44 -0500
From: "Thomas"
Subject: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
The width may be determining by the width of the unloading rack that may be a the track you want to run on.
The one at the Central Illinois Live Steamers group in Decatur, Illinois is 19 1/4 inches.
Anything over 19 inches wide will not go on the unloading unite here.
I have suggested that we make it so it would be wider, but no action has been taken to this suggestion. Not sure what width it should be to accommodate narrow gauge engines. How wide is a 3 1/2 in scale narrow gauge engine?
Thomas Scott MRM life member # 26
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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:04:49 -0000
From: "john2072n2000"
Subject: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
Harry
I Have a D&RGW No 50 from Roll Models which is 20" wide. No problem at most of the clubs on the West coast.
I have been thinking of a Climax in 2 1/2" scale my self. How are you doing your gears? When I was at Train MT I saw some very nice castings for a 1.6" Climax. Check out WWW.precisionlocomotivecastings.com
All the castings and gears were investment cast.
John
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:24:17 EDT
From: douglasandcj@aol.com
Subject:
Harry,
I see no reason that the 20" width will not work unless you are going to build a not scale locomotive or orther piece of rolling stock. Scale width is just that, it's the actual width of the piece scaled down.
I have 2 1/2" scale equipment and I know that on some 1 1/2' or 1.6" pikes I may not be able to run my equipment. I always ask what the pikes minimum envelope of outside dimensions are as well as what weight can be handled by the track and structures before I load up and find out I am too big to be handled.
It all starts at the unloading area and continues around the pike. If you ask before hand on what can be run or handled you will have less stress in trying to operate oversize equipment. This not only goes for overall dimensions but also weight and minimum radiii or the number size of the turnouts.
Almost all scale 2 1/2" scale equipment will not be larger than 21" wide and most will faqll into the 19" to 20" range.
My equipment falls into the 19" to 20" range except my snow plow which is just over 21" wide.
Doug De Berg
Rock Creek Railway Company
10809 N.E. 158th Street
Kearney, Mo. 64060
Tel: 816-628-4353
Fax 816-628-2968
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:00:23 -0700
From: "Steve Hughes"
Subject: Re: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
John, I've seen the Roll D&RGW and have been thinking about buying one. Is yours gas or electric powered?
How does it perform and have you had any problems with it?
Steve
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:47:15 -0700
From: "James Hoback"
Subject: Re: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
Steve,
I had an RMI Davenport (aka #50) that was gas powered, Honda 5 hp. It ran well. I did not care for the external lever for shifting and motor speed. I built a new control stand to go inside the cab and it was accessable via the right rear cab window. I made a throttle lever and it was accessed via the left rear cab window. The only problem I had with the loco was one of the counter weights loosened and I had to loctite the set screw. Otherwise, it was a good loco.
Regards,
Jim Hoback
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:49:48 +0200
From: "Adrian & Marian Sant"
Subject: Max Width of Rolling Stock.
The Gaslight Tram from Roll Models is 30" wide. In the UK 27" wide is generally recognised as the maximum for NG stock.
Regards
Adrian Sant (Spain)
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:36:21 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"
Subject: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
Doing the math. Most narrow gauge locomotives and rolling stock were 8 feet wide (plus appliances such as hand rails and roof overhangs on locomotive cabs and rolling stock).
For 2 1/2" scale equipment: 2.5" x 8' = 20" wide + appliances/overhangs, therefore 22" is a good working number.
For 3 3/4" scale equipment: 3.75 x 8' = 30" wide + appliances/overhangs, therefore a maximum of 32".
Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:13:30 -0700
From: "R.David S. CORMIE"
Subject: RE: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
A lot of the 3.75 scale equipment is of two foot prototype.
SRRL pax cars scale out to approx 25.5" (83" prototype) and their freight to 22.5" (60" prototype)
If the pax cars if built to scale they are a bit long and scale out to 186" or just over 15 feet so overhang on curves WILL be large consideration on curves. Standard box cars scale out to just over 9 feet so not much of a
problem.
I have never seen a full scale SRRL model or picture of one. All the models I have seen are selectively compressed to get over the huge length.
Does anybody have a picture of a full scale SRRL pax car model in 3.75 ? I bet that would be a beautiful thing to see.
Dave C
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:40:23 -0700
From: "R.David S. CORMIE"
Subject: RE: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
I got quite a few questions regarding the work PAX in my posting. I must apologise, as after 36 years in law enforcement and dealing with public, PAX is simply short for passenger.
I promise not to use DB, AA or BM as well. (that is Dumb Bas#$rd, Attitude Adjustment, and Behaviour Modification) which are all used in conjunction with PAX.
As I pointed out to Howard S, it is just a hard habit to break.
I will try to NOT use the ingrained shortcuts that I have used for 3 and a half decades as I am now retired and can go back to just building trains and having a good time.
Dave C
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Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:49:02 -0000
From: "William Van Lenten"
Subject: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
I am posting an album in the photo section with 3.75 equipment as used y the 7.50 railroad Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake. A 2' scale models.
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Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 23:18:55 -0000
From: "William Van Lenten"
Subject: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
Seems I can't post any pictures from SR&CL Go to www.srclry.com/
There you will see locomotives and rolling stock in 3.75 on 7.5" gauge.
Bill
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 19:02:10 -0500
From: "Rick White"
Subject: Re: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
You can go to the files section of this group and see photos posted by one of the regulars (Tom Casper):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7-plus-NGM/files/Sandy%20Ridge%20%26%20Clear%20Lake%20Ry./
(Because you have to be a member of the group to see the photos, search this website for the Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake Ry, nearly every monthly page has photos - added by the moderator
Also, go to www.frolin.net and using Google search of just that web site you find:
www.frolin.net/mmgs/srcl/index.html with even more photos.
All 3.75 inch scale equipment with scale wheels and not IBLS wheels. Rail is 8 and 12 lb steel rail.
Rick White
LCC & FB
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Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:33:10 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
Sure but now you're bragging! :-)
Just out of curiosity do you know the loading gauge of the V.I.M.E. track. I too am enamoured with the SRRL passenger equipment and would like eventually to do a three car train in 3 3/4" to pull behind the Garratt. Denise fell in love with the SRRL 0-4-4 locomotive and would like one to play with both on the Island and at Train Mountain.
kind regards
Dennis,
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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 02:47:19 -0000
From: "smallhand27"
Subject: Scale?
Could someone tell me the scale of Robert Maynard's "Clishay" featured in past issues of Live Steam and if the plans asr still available?
Ray Hill
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Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 23:08:54 -0400
From: dpattonredmesa@netscape.net
Subject: Width for narrow gauge track
My Conway 2.5" scale 2-6-0 is 20" wide. However, the 4" foot pegs that extend out from the tender had a nasty habit of snagging one of the lamp posts between the yard tracks at White Creek in Michigan. At night, I also had to keep aware of a few switch stands with my feet and tree trunks on "Three Mile Island" with my knees! While the clearances were passable on straight tracks, when on curves, 20"-wide equipment can become an issue. I have also heard of (but have not yet visited) a few tracks where the vertical requirements of 2.5" scale equipment is too much for the hydraulic or unloading facilities at a few tracks.
Dick Patton
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Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 22:34:25 -0700
From: "James Hoback"
Subject: Re: Scale?
The CliShay was scaled 2" = 1' according to the article.
Jim Hoback
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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:45:03 +1200
From: Grant & Donna Alexander
Subject: Re: WATO Lil Lima
I have a friend with one of these for sale. Contact me off list and I'll put you in touch with him.
PS, he (and it) are in New Zealand.
Grant.
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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:54:58 +1200
From: Grant & Donna Alexander
Subject: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
Hi Dave,
I am currently building a 1/4 scale (3") SR&RL #24, the width over the widest part (cab) will be 24 inches. I know this isn't scale, but as another lister stated, sometimes we have to selectively compress some dimensions to make the thing fit the trailer, and our own backyard track!
Grant Alexander
Squirrel Valley,
Cambridge,
New Zealand.
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:12:14 -0500
From: "Tom Casper"
Subject: 3 3/4 cars & Dave C. comment
Dave C.
Check our web site for scale length equipment and width on freight cars. We did shorten the passenger car. I think it is only 12 feet long. We have drawings you can look at also.
www.srclry.com
Later:
Tom Casper
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 18:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: harry boivin
Subject: Narrow Gauge Climax
I am going to buy the castings from WWW.precisionlocomotivecastings.com.
I am using the Kozo book and taking his mm dimensions and dividing by 8 gives me approx 20" wide by 82" long. and the gears he supplies are close enough to use. I was going to program them and cut on my cnc mill. I will do that if I decide not to use the castings.
Harry
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:15:56 EDT
From: nashnash@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
Harry
My D&RGW No 50 is electric and I have had it 4 years. I pull a RMI flat car, gondola, and a caboose. In high heat on 2% and over grades it will overload and stop. This happen at Train Mt a few times. We ran it all over Train Mt over 6 days only had to charge twice. The engine weight is 600#.
John
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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:44:37 EDT
From: nashnash@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
Steve
Just turn off controller and turn back on. Some time I would have to walk for a few feet till the grade levels off.
John
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:58:39 -0700
From: charliensusan@snowcrest.net
Subject: 2.5" scale (standard gauge)
All,
I had a little fun making this "mock-up" of what a 2.5" scale (standard gauge) RR would look like. Truck with scaled 33" wheels, rails (1.5" high), scaled ties (9 ft.) with scaled tie plates, coupler (RMI), glad-hand (Super Scale), end of flat car, 25" wide (standard 10 ft rolling stock).
Charlie
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:36:44 -0700
From: charliensusan@snowcrest.net
Subject: 2.5" scale standard gauge RR
All,
Another view of 2.5" scale RR.
Charlie
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:51:59 -0700
From: charliensusan@snowcrest.net
Subject: 2.5" scale RR
All,
One last view of 2.5" scale, standard gauge RR. To my of thinking, for all of us who would prefer to ride on 2.5" scale rolling stock, the logical thing to do is run on a 2.5" scale track. Oh well, it's just my two cents.
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:12:37 -0700
From: "Charlie Meinershagen-Susan Weale"
All,
How can I send you all some photos?
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:33:47 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"
Subject: Re: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
John and Steve,
RMI electric's use a controller with a couple of built in protection circuits, one for current and one for heat.
The current maximum is 150 amps. If at any time you pull over that amount, the controller will cut out (locomotive will come to a stop) and the controller status light will slowly blink four times. Turning the controller off and then back on will reset the protection circuit and you can be on your way. This situation can occur if you overload the train. Most often happens as you start up a grade.
The other situation is heat. If you pull a lot of amps (but don't exceed 150) for a long period of time the heat begins to build up in the controller and eventually reaches the point where the controller will cut out (locomotive will come to a stop) and the controller status light will slowly blink nine times. The fix is turn the controller off, wait a few minutes for the heat to disapate, and then turn the controller back on. This situation is most common when pulling a load up a long grade and occurs not near the bottom, but further up the hill.
I have built several electric locomotives (some using RMI components and some using other vendors products) and on a couple of them I mounted the controller on a large aluminum heat sink and had a fan that blew cool air over the heat sink to help disapate the heat.
On RMI equipment the controller status light will be on steady if everything is okay. If it senses any faults, it will slowly blink a certain number of times in a repeating series to identify the fault. If you do not have a list of the fault codes, I will be glad to send them to you.
Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas
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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:11:58 -0400
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Posting pictures on the web in lieu of attachments - was Re: 2.5" scale RR
Charlie, et al,
most Yahoogroups are set up to strip attachments from a message.
The options then are to put something in the picture section of the web page or use a free photo hosting service.
Without registering anybody can easily post to http://www.tinypic.com/ and then post the URL as part of their message.
Cheers,
Arno
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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:29:50 -0500
From: Mike Eorgoff
Subject: Re: 2.5" scale (standard gauge)
Since the pictures didn't make it, what is the gauge?
Mike
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:33:06 +1000
From: "George Paxon"
Subject: Re: advice on rolling a tender
Anyone out there have any words of advice on rolling a tender to form the water legs and the back corners? I am about to do that on mione and would appreciate any suggestions of expereinces others of you may have had with this task.
Geo A Paxon
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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:33:36 -0400
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Avonside 2065
Very impressive, Hannes.
Is the trailing truck of your locomotive carrying any weight?
If yes, will you be using a nylon (acetate?) wear plate to reduce the friction?
Cheers,
Arno
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:51:55 -0700
From: "Steve Hughes"
Subject: Re: Re: max. width for narrow gauge 7.5 track?
Thanks Bill and John
Steve
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:37:33 -0700
From: "Charlie Meinershagen-Susan Weale"
Subject: Re: 2.5" scale (standard gauge)
Mike,
I rounded off the track width to 12", approx 2.5" scale. I must figure out how to get the photos to you guys.
Charlie
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:57:03 +0200
From: "Hannes Paling"
Subject: Re: Avonside 2065
Hi Arno
The trailing truck carries about 150 lbs, I have some PTFE which I might fit but are a bit worried of dirt getting embedded into the PTFE, havent got experience with the stuff.
Added a few more progress pictures.
Axle Boxes & sealed roller bearings
Driving wheel, axle asemly ready for fiting
Fiting wheel asemblies to frame.
Truing up wheels after shrinking onto axles
Machined axles, boxes & cranks
Cheers
Hannes
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:54:31 -0700
From: "Hugh Smith"
Subject: Re: Avonside 2065
Hannes,
I wouldn't worry about dirt as long as there is no gap between the bearing surfaces. By gap I mean you pick up the engine and the trailing truck falls away. A belt and suspenders approach, which I use, is to grease the Teflon.
A) the Teflon is your bearing and B) the grease is a dirt catcher. Install a zerk fitting somewhere and hit it with the grease gun as part of your normal startup routine.
Hugh Smith
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:09:28 -0400
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Avonside 2065
Are those solid bronze axle boxes?
Using Zerk fittings, as Hugh suggests, to add grease to trap dirt seems to be a pretty clever idea.
Cheers,
Arno
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:08:18 +0200
From: "Hannes Paling"
Subject: Re: Avonside 2065
Thanks Hugh I will give it a go
Hannes
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:05:59 +0200
From: "Hannes Paling"
Subject: Re: Avonside 2065
Hi Arno
The axle boxes are solid bronze, I cheated a little bit by adding 61808 2RS sealed ball bearings to the boxes, mainly to make them maintainance free in the long run, the free running is a bonus. I have added a picture to the folder in the photo section showing the boxes & roller bearings.
Regards
Hannes
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:12:37 EDT
From: kennarwing@aol.com
Subject: Chloe frame
I've purchased most of the Chloe castings. I've been scratching my head for several years now about how I'm supposed to machine the frame, which is an aluminum casting. My shop consists of a 9" lathe, a benchtop drill press and a tiny horz. mill. I could file it by hand, I suppose. And I suppose I could hire the work out. But before I go that route, I thought I would check in with you folks and see if I'm missing something.
Ken Wing
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:06:28 -0700
From: "Geoff"
Subject: Re: Chloe frame
Ken-
Typically if you can find a club in your area. There will be someone in the club that will let you borrow there larger mill or help you with getting it milled. The club environment is the best place to be when building your own equipment. There are lots of good ideas and friendly help.
Good luck,
Geoff
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:54:01 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"
Subject: BCSME Train Festival Pixs
To All:
I have just posted the pixs taken at The Train Festival Meet put on by The British Columbia Society of Model Engineers of Burnaby B.C. The meet was held the 11th thru the 13th of August 2006.
There were railroaders from Washington, Oregon, & of course British Columbia. I believe near numbers of local residents showed for rides on this superb track. A track I term as
"HO Railroading In 1/8 Scale"
The BCSME track is by far one of the premiere 1/8 tracks in North America and is a track one should try run their trains at!
Check out these and more at "Live Steaming In The Pacific Northwest"
Enjoy!
Dan Morris
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:46:37 -0500
From: "Andre Ming"
Subject: Re: BCSME Train Festival Pixs
Great pics Dan! Thanks for posting.
Question: Can anybody tell me more about "George and Beverly's" sharp looking little Engine #14?
Andre Ming
Eastern Oklahoma
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:31:41 EDT
From: GengH@aol.com
Subject: Engine #14
Engine #14 is a Fitchburg Northern 2-6-0 built from Gene Allen castings and drawings. The original was featured in a long series of construction articles in Live Steam magazine back in the days when they had useful articles like this. My locomotive has many deviations from the original design. I built a Briggs boiler, a larger cab, and a tender of my own design. It has a locally designed propane burner. Brakes are on all 6 drivers, steam. A steam ejector operates the tender and riding car brakes. It has two injectors, one small and one medium sized, plus a "Woody Braun" single cylinder steam powered feedwater pump. Exhaust steam from the pump goes thru a feedwater heater made to look like an air reservoir.
The locomotive runs and tracks well. The Briggs boiler and use of too much aluminun cut the weight of the locomotive (less tender) to about 270 pounds. It will not pull engineer and two passengers up the long 3% grade at Train Mountain.
Let me know if you want any other information.
George Hoke
Bellevue, WA
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:00:25 -0000
From: "John Ray"
Subject: Exciting changes at Coyote Valley Ry.
Posted to 7-plus-NGM & GrandScaleRailwayForum only.
I thought this would be the best way to get the news out about some exciting changes to CVRy.
Kind Regards to All,
John Ray
*********************************************************************
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Coyote Valley Railway to Downsize
Contact: Candice B. Fureal , Director of Corporate Communications Address: Morgan Hill, California
Email: cccrr@cvry.org
URL: www.cvry.org
Morgan Hill, California August 8, 2006
Effective immediately, in keeping with the growing trend of North-American companies, Coyote Valley Railway will be down-sizing, according to Hugh G. Ego, President and CEO of the railroad. However,
there will be no reduction in staffing, as the reduction pertains solely to the scale of the railroad. "I anticipate we will actually be growing in participants" stated Mr. Ego. "The transition is in progress, with the resumption of normal service by the end of October, 2006".
Roadmaster Al K. Holic clarified the technical aspects in that the railroad will be changing from 5 inch scale, 15 inch gauge to 2-½ inch scale, 7-½ inch gauge. Mr. Holic says "the big upside is that now we will be able to go twice the miles in the same distance". He added that "passenger capacity will actually be increased" and that
according to the director of catering, Sam Manilla, "there will be no changes in the food service".
Assets Manager Anna Lytic said that "the new equipment is either on the property or is on order, with deliveries in time for the October transition". She also stated that the surplus equipment will be sold off to the highest bidder".
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:42:46 -0500
From: "Andre Ming"
Subject: Re: Engine #14
Thank you George for the additional input!
It is an excellent looking engine. You did a superb job crafting it.
Andre Ming
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:47:50 -0000
From: "hwboivin"
Subject: Narrow Gauge Kozo Climax
I started building Kozo's Climax for 7.5" track. I currently have 2 sets of frames as a friend and I were going to build 2 of them. He has since stopped working on them. So, I am posting a message to see if anyone would like to build one. It is going to built narrow gauge (20" wide by 82" long) I have taken Kozo's dimensions and dividing by 8 to give me a very good conversion to work in inches. For the truck widths I subtract 3.625 to establish the 7.5" gauge. anyway, if anyone is interested in either buying the 2nd frame or working with me
to finish the climaxes, let me know. so far, the basic frame and the reverser are complete. starting on the deck plate and engine frame now, and will tackle the trucks this winter.
if anyone is interested, please reply or contact me directly.
Harry
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:21:29 -0000
From: "southern28016"
Subject: GRAMPS Narrow Gauge Tank Car
List,
I know I have seen a few of these tank cars around on the internet.
I am thinking of the possibility of an auxiliary water car for my mogul. Can anyone point me in the way of drawings? I'm not a stickler for details so a front and side elevation would be great.
Thanks in advance,
Cam Wilkes
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:03:59 -0000
From: "Tom C"
Subject: More Sandy Ridge and Clear Lake pics for august
We have started on building a body for our new trucks. A flat car it will be. Follow the links to my folder or go to the files section and look for the SRCL Ry folder for Aug pics.
End view of new flat under construction
bolster & body bloster truss rods
Coupler now on
side shot
coupler and bolster, another view
Enjoy,
Tom C.
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:55:59 -0700
From: "James Hoback"
Subject: Re: More Sandy Ridge and Clear Lake pics for august
Tom,
I wanna know how many bolts and small castings have fallen through the grate on the floor drain there. ;-)
As always, a great job on the construction.
Regards,
Jim Hoback
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:32:51 -0000
From: "Rick White"
Subject: Re: More Sandy Ridge and Clear Lake pics for august
Tom,
You also have August photos at
http://www.frolin.net/mmgs/srcl/data/toms-pics.html
Rick White
LCC & FB
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:23:53 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"
Subject: Re: GRAMPS Narrow Gauge Tank Car
Cam,
I assume you are talking about the UTLX frameless tank cars, painted and lettered for "GRAMPS" oil.
Several sources:
Check The John Maxwell Collection of drawings (http://www.colong.com/). Go to the drawings by category, select freight cars, and do a search for the word "gramps".
Rail Systems sells an excellent selection of "Quick Books" <"A HREF="http://quickpicbooks.homestead.com/files/books.htm"> (http://quickpicbooks.homestead.com/files/books.htm). Under the UTLX Tank Car section there is a book on Gramps frameless tank cars. These books have excellent detail photos.
Grant Line makes an HO kit (#3079) that includes good overall drawings.
A good erection drawing of the frameless UTLX tank cars is shown on pages 152-153 of Grandt's book "Narrow Gauge Pictorial, Volume IV Refrigerator Cars, Stock Cars, and Tank Cars of the D&RGW".
The Colorado Railroad Museum has a Gramps frameless tank car in their collection. You might contact them about drawings and photos.
The Carsten's book "Slim Gauge Cars" has good side, top, and end drawings on page 49.
The book "100+ years of Rolling Stock on the D&RGW" (I may not have the title exactly correct as someone has borrowed my book a the moment) contains the history of these cars and good dimenstioned top, side, and end drawings.
I hope this helps.
Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:04:34 -0500
From: "Tom Casper"
Subject: Re: More Sandy Ridge and Clear Lake pics for august
Jim, a couple of washers and nuts went under the grate. It picks up easily so I won't cover.
Tom C.
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Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:08:56 -0500
From: "Tom Casper"
Subject: RE: Aug pics at Frolin.net
Rick, I send Frolin Pics also, for his friends to look and place on his web site.. Not everyone belongs to this list. I put them on the RMI site also. You can't have to many pics out there. Some day Mel will add some to our web page.
Later:
Tom Casper
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2006
From: "Hannes Paling"
Subject: Re: Avonside 2065
Cab bunker
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:38:11 +0200
From: hubert@wetekamp.de
Subject: RE: Aug pics at Frolin.net
Hi Tom
as you mentioned, not everyone is on this list.
And for that reason - and because we sometimes have to delete older photos to getting free space for new photos - I put every posted photo/file in the message-archive under http://www.7-plus-ngm.org, so that everyone can see them.
Your moderator
Hubert from Germany
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:39:43 +1000
From: "George Paxon"
Subject: Re: GRAMPS Narrow Gauge Tank Car
Cam,
The Carsten's book, Slim Gauge Cars, Bill Laird mentioned has highly detailed drawings on page 71 and 72 for two versions of water tankers used behind a D&RGW rotary plow. One is the version built from a 2-8-0 tender and the other from a narrow gauge tank car. The tank car was a narrow rame one instead of the frameless one.
Geo A Paxon
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