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7-Plus-NGM Digest August 2007
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Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:04:30 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"
Subject: Willow Creek's Great Oregon Steam Up Meet
To All:
I have just posted pixs taken last weekend at Willow Creek's Great Oregon Steam Up Meet.
There were a large crowd riding 1/8 scale trains at Willow Creek along with many attending the actual Steam Up.
This is an event that you should try to attend if you're in the area of Brooks, Oregon.
Check out these pixs and more at "Live Steaming In The Pacific Northwest"
www.sscom.org/pnwls.html
ENJOY!
Dan Morris
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Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 18:58:49 -0400
From: "Mark and Nancy Milbourne"
Subject: RE: Willow Creek's Great Oregon Steam Up Meet
Great pix, thanks for the link.
The date says July 28-29, 2006 though. But those dates are a Sat-Sun in 2007, so I guess just a typo.
Mark
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:30:29 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Message
Yes we got the message Dennis but didnt see you with the rest of the island people last week at Train Mountain.
We had a good ops meet lots of people were there along with a few new trains, the new Yelowstone was there along with a new NP caboose from J&S Railcars both very nice, was hoping that he would double head with the triplex which was also there.
Oh yes and my engines are still at home being detailed will be there for the first meet of the year in 08 for shure.
Boyd,way down south of your island.
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Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:08:07 -0700
From: Dennis J Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: Re: Message
On a side note the V.I.M.E. crowd are opening their track expansion project on the third weekend of September. The railroad will have about twice the track as before and some beautiful trees to run through.
(see http://pacificcoast.net/~trainman/)The place has a great bunch of people and my wife and I will try to be there too.
Regards,
Dennis
Way up here in Port Alberni, BC, Canada Eh!
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:29:40 -0000
From: "fritzpatti2002"
Subject: vacuum brake help
Group,
I am in the process of building a 4" scale, 7 1/2" gauge battery powered center cab diesel. I just got the vacuum pump and accessories from Mountian Car. How do I hook everything up?
Can anyone direct me to a site that has a drawing of how to plumb the system? Ideally I want to have seperate engine and train brakes.
Thanks in advance,
Fritz in Columbia, MD
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:05:31 -0800
From: "Charlie Meinershagen-Susan Weale"
Subject: Re: vacuum brake help
Fritz and group,
Mountain Car sells a complete air/vacuum kit for the rolling stock with all hoses, valves, and fittings. The glad-hands (2.5" scale) that Super Scale sells work great for connecting the brake air lines between cars.
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:16:32 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"
Subject: 2007 Narrow Gauge Annual
Finescale Railroader 2007 Narrow Gauge Annual should be on the news stands. I received my copy by mail yesterday.
See details at:
http://www.finescalerr.com/
Bill Laird
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:06:22 -0000
From: "hrcoleman3"
Subject: Building a Diesel Locomotive....
Hi I was curious, has anyone in this group built their own 1 1/2" scale diesel locomotive for 7 1/2" gauge? I've heard some people have used lawn mower engines as their engine. I am considering possibly building my own in the near future with a lawn mower engine. Any help or insight on this topic would be greatly appreciated, thanks...
Henry Coleman
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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:02:43 -0600
From: Chuck
Subject: Re: Building a Diesel Locomotive....
Henry,
You have 3 options:
| 1) | mechanical drive, lawnmower engine into a gear box then chain drive to one ore more axles. You can get most of the parts from a riding lawn mower. |
| 2) | hydraulic drive; engine to hydraulic pump with control valve and hydraulic motor(s) on the axle(s). |
| 3) | electric drive; engine to generator, control circuits, wheel/axle motor(s) This can be DC or with the new electronics AC power. |
If you go option 1 you can use a riding lawn mower engine, gear box clutch and chain. Options 2 and 3 require a good understanding of the hydraulics or electrical designs.
Chuck
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:35:52 -0000
From: "Jim OConnor"
Subject: Re: Building a Diesel Locomotive....
I've built a 3.5 hp. loco and a small battery electric rail vehicle.
I'll never go back to gas engines. Too loud, to much fuss. I didn't know as much about electrics but it's not as hard as it seems and it dosn't cost more (or not much more).
Jim O'Connor
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:30:33 -0000
From: "garrattguy"
Subject: Re: Building a Diesel Locomotive....
I just did one with a 6.5 hp Honda gas engine and a Hydro-gear variable displacement pump. Works well but gas engine noise is an issue for sure, I keep it at low rpm for that reason. The locomotive still has enough speed and pull even at 1/3rd throttle.
Cheers,
Michael Guy,
Toronto.
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:36:04 -0400
From: Ferdinand Mels
Subject: Re: Re: Building a Diesel Locomotive....
The hydro-gas loco Michael built was a pleasure to drive and had power to spare. gas locomotives also
have the advantage in cooler climates of keeping you warmer - although this is a disadvantage on hot humid days.
cheers Ferd
Cambridge
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:47:38 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Gas or Electric
Check them out as both have there good and bad points, the electric, I have an electric powered speeder, oh how nice to run no noise, sometimes the wildlife don't understand and just about become dinner for it but that is the up side along with instant on to run, the down side battery's that don't seem to last that well no matter what one does to them but that could be to some degree my fault.
The gas which I have a Rail Systems SW7, it has some noise but due to the twin cylinder I think that it is quieter than the singles but again that is my observation, I don't run full throttle most of the time so that also helps, its a gas and go engine that is also instant, have had no trouble during its first season at Train Mountain.
Oh I forgot that a friend lets me have the use of his gas powered speeder, its got a single cylinder vertical shaft Honda, it makes some noise and is pull start which neither is any problem to me as again I don't run it full throttle.
I use it for fun and work, towing the weed sprayer around the layout which takes several hours just to spot spray at an idle.
So if I were to buy a new speeder I would buy the gas powered one as the battery's seem to be the big thing with them.
Now I did find one problem, pulling 1600 lb train up a 2% grade with a single motor speeder will let the smoke out of the motor, is there anyone out there that can tell me how to get the smoke back in the motor?
The funny smell is gone now but it doesn't want to run anymore for some strange reason.
Boyd Butler way out west where the days are sunny and bright.
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:27:49 -0000
From: "garrattguy"
Subject: Re: Building a Diesel Locomotive....
I will try an fix that eventually Ferd, the exhaust needs to run differently and an insulated firewall between the driver and motor compartment would help a lot. So many interesting projects, so little time ...
Michael.
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:42:39 EDT
From: tomeagles44@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Building a Diesel Locomotive....
Michael
The He!! with the gas monsters how is your fantastic Garratt doing I lost your web site when my computer was smoked. That is a piece of work. I also liked that tug boat you had on your web site.
Regards
Tom Eagles
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:58:30 -0000
From: "garrattguy"
Subject: Re: Building a Diesel Locomotive....
The diseasel was a quickie project, one of those things you just have to do when a spare loco body shows up at a good price!
The Garratt is at a standstill waiting for valve gear mostly due to time spent working on the Toronto Railway Heritage Centre.
All sorts of information on that here: http://www.trha.ca and there are a couple of photos of the diesel loco on the news and events blog page.
I sold the tug regrettably. :(
Cheers,
Michael.
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:42:13 EDT
From: tomeagles44@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Building a Diesel Locomotive....
Michael
Thank you for the reply sorry to hear you sold the tug, thank you for the web site, please say hello to Russ Milland for me. I will forward some pictures of mt steam boat a 2" = 1' scale model of a Maine Lakes Steamer @ 65" LOA X 22" Beam with a 2 cyl Tiny Power engine 3/4" Bore X 7/8" stroke fired on propane with a 5" dia prop
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Date sent: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:02:29 EDT
From: TomEagles44@aol.com
Subject: MY CART 154.JPG
Hello
Just received my Fall 2007 issue of RC Boat. I really found Don Spielberger's article very informative (also liked the pictures), Bryant Thompson's scale construction article was superb; and the piece by Jay Turner on Li-Po's really breaks it down and helps me to understand them. By separate E-mail I will send some more pictures of my 2" = 1' semi-scale model of the "Trinity E" a Maine Lakes Steamboat. I obtained the plans from Garden Railways, I had been into 7/8" = 1' Live steam trains, they were models of Maine 2 foot gauge Narrow Gauge trains; when I started to build an outdoor RR at my house the dreaded "Home Owners Association served me with a court ordered Cease & Desist paper on me they said it was an attractive nuisance! Well, after I cooled of I went to them and asked them if I could run a RC model steam boat on their Lakes (really mud ponds but lakes sounds so much more uppity). They said yes as that was a much more gentlemanly pursuit. So I built this model from plans in Garden Railway. As this was my first model boat I was eager to get on the water and didn't do my research homework. The plans as drawn by Mr. Stinson were for a 1/2" scale electric model boat not a steam powered 2" scale boat. In my haste makes waste mode I got the cart before the horse and built the hull and then found out there was not a lot of room (even at 65"LOA) for all the steam machinery. When I called Mr. Stinson he allowed that he had cut a few feet out of the design to fit the pages of Garden Railway. I obtained some pictures of the original steam boat (the Rangeley) from a Mr. Peter Barney a noted Maine Historian and showed them to a Naval Architect friend of mine he said "few feet hell that's more like 50 feet!". So now you know why I am calling it Semi Scale. Probably the best lesson I learned in the model boat hobby was from an old black gentleman who belongs to our model boat club the South East Boat Modelers. He told me to slow down when building my boat the water ain't going away its the journey not the destination!
So the specifications on my boat are
65" LOA
21" Beam
Hull built of Poplar covered by Fiberglass
Engine Tiny Power Model 2V-10M
Cyl: (2)
Bore: .75
Stroke: .875
Shaft size: .25
Flywheel Diameter: 2"
Engine Pump: TP Model EP-2
Bore: 5/16"
Stroke 1/2"
Suction: 1/4"
Discharge: 1/4"
Hand Pump: TP Model HP-2
Length: 7"
Bore: 1/2"
Suction: 1/4"
Discharge: 1/4"
Pump Handle: (Brass) 1/2" X 7"
Propeller: (4 bladed) 5" dia
Boiler:
Type: Horizontal Return Flue
Overall length: 8"
Diameter: 5'
Tubes: (13) 1/2" X 6 1/2"
Firing Tubes: 2" X 6 1/2"
RC: Hi-Tech 4 channel
Throttle, Fwd & Reverse, Steering: Steam Whistle (Regner Single Chime)
Thanks for listening!
Regards
Tom Eagles
Shot of the stern
My Steam Service Cart otherwise known as my hotdog cart the guys at the club say if I loose my job I can use it to sell hotdogs on a street corner
Forgot to mention she is fired on propane gas
This is how I load my cart and boat in my van
Another stern view
During Construction
The Captain ships mascot and passengers
More construction
Super structure Pilot House & Deck House
My 0-4-4 Propane fired steam engine on top of hotdog #2
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:10:27 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"
Subject: Penny Creek Railroad
To All:
Today I have posted new pixs from the Seattle area ramble (8-18-07). I was able to attend two of the private tracks near my home of Lake Stevens, WA.
One of which was Robert Howard's "Penny Creek Railroad" near Snohomish, WA. The other track was Curt Young's track, also near Snohomish.
I will have Curt's pixs up within days, so keep an eye out for that announcement.
Check out these and more at "Live Steaming In The Pacific Northwest"
Enjoy!
Dan Morris
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:14:24 +1200
From: Grant & Donna Alexander
Subject: Re: Building a Diesel Locomotive....
Hello Henry,
I have built a 2" scale loco for 7¼ track that was petrol/electric.
It was reasonably successful but I have since converted it to straight Battery/electric and that gives me a more simpler to use locomotive. I would be pleased to assist where I can from down here in the South Pacific.
I chose 2" scale to make it better fit in with the 3'6" gauge track of the prototype. This also gave me a little more room inside for the mechanicals and electricals.
Grant Alexander
Squirrel Valley Railway
Cambridge
New Zealand.
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:32:40 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"
Subject: Curt Young's Private Track
To All:
I have posted the pixs from Curt Young's Private Track ramble near Snohomish, WA. It was part of the mini Seattle ramble held yesterday, 8-18-07.
Check out these and other pixs at www.sscom.org/pnwls.html
Live Steaming In The Pacific Northwest
Enjoy!
Dan Morris
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 02:23:17 -0000
From: 7-plus-NGM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the 7-plus-NGM group.
New log bunk for shop truck
End view of bunk
trailer to ride behind #3 when done
#7 at Phelps waiting to head out to Highpoint
#7 & #10 at Sumac
Regards,
srcl_24
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:27:22 EDT
From: GengH@aol.com
Subject: Re: Curt Young's Private Track
Dear Dan:
Thanks for all your work in taking photos and posting them on the Web. I especially appreciate how quickly you get it done. Sometime it seems they are posted before i even get home!
Yours truly,
George Hoke
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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:22:04 -0400
From: "Pat Turner"
Subject: 1 1/2" Scale Cars For Sale
I have the following 1 1/2" scale cars For Sale or I will consider trades for 2 1/2" Scale Cars, Trucks or Couplers as I move more towards all 2 1/2" scale equipment.
New, Mountain Car Wood Caboose Kit with end copula. Current MC Price is: $455, my Price $400 still in the original box.
Yocum & Coon Ridge #575, 4' Steel Gon with Trucks and Couplers painted green and lettered. $600
5' Steel Flat car with stained and polyed wood deck, wood box and nice boat seat. Tom Bee Trucks with brakes and couplers. Painted red and lettered with Miracle RR Graphics for Pond Hill Central #119. $700
5' Steel Flat car with wood deck, Tom Bee Trucks and couplers. Primer/black needs individual wood deck boards installed (included). Similar Mountain Car assembled flat car is $600 without trucks and couplers, my price with trucks and couplers is $650
5' Steel Bulkhead Flat car with wood deck and ends. Tom Bee Trucks and couplers. Primer, needs paint and individual wood deck boards installed on deck and bulkheads (both included). Similar Mountain Car easy kit is $650 without trucks or couplers, my price with trucks and couplers is $700 Makes a beautiful car, I have built one just like it.
3' Steel operators car, one truck and coupler, nice seat. Front of car mounts to coupler pocket on rear of any engine. Great for electrics! $300
4' Bobber caboose with custom Mountain car truck Cass Scenic, #1 bobber. Made from plastic toy box, looks good (needs steps and end rails) with truck and couplers $499 (the bobber truck and couplers alone cost $400!)
4' bobber caboose toy box with base, end rails, etc. (missing coupla roof section) same as above, but not assembled. $150 (these have gone for $300+ on eBay and a Mountain Car bobber body is $350+!)
4' Steel flat car, primer with plywood deck, wood decking, trucks and couplers not included. $200
Steel car frames, lightweight, work well for 4' wood cars of most styles. I have 3 of these, $50 each
4' Cedar Springs Operators Car #103, Steel Operators car by Tom Bee. Front half is a flat car and rear half is a gon, yellow with tractor seat, has grab irons and steps on rear of car. Comes with Tom Bee trucks and couplers. $600
4' Steel Hopper car by Tom Bee. Painted green and comes with trucks and couplers. Nice car. $700
Pat Turner, email or call 423-462-2228 east coast times from 10 am to 10 pm. Cars are located in southeast Tennessee. Contact for delivery and areas I will be in soon.
http://www.CedarSpringsRR.com and you can see a few pics of the cars above.
http://www.TurnerModelWorks.com
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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:25:08 -0000
From: "sandiapaul1941"
Subject: K-27 drawings
Hi all,
I searched and found some old posts about the real D&RGW drawings for the K-27. At the time a group member was offering a disc with the drawings? Did anyone ever get a set? Are they still avail? Not looking
for freebies, I just want the drawings!
I know about Ulin's, but I'm hunting the "real ones".
Any help is much appreciated!
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:45:45 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Swing Motion Trucks
Does anyone know if someone produces Bettendorf style or something close to it swing motion trucks?
Dont want any roller bearing style as its for an older caboose.
Thanks
Boyd Butler, still way out west and confused but heading to Train Mountan to take care of that.
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:16:06 EDT
From: douglasandcj@aol.com
Subject: Swing Motion Trucks
Boyd, it's been awhile since I've talked to you and I am still trying to get out to Train Mountain. Anyway, I bought a kit of a Barber-Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose truck with leaf springs from I believe Tom Bee a number of years ago. The kit built up into a great looking and performing truck Originally this was a Maumee Car and Foundry truck but since this company no longer exists I believe Tom should have the kit or even a built up versions.
Douglas G. De Berg
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