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7-Plus-NGM Digest October 2007
From: "Grant@Squirrel Valley Railway" Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:27:37 +1300 Subject: New Photos from Squirrel Valley Railway, NZ Hi there, Thanks to some prompting, I have just uploaded 5 new photo's of our latest loco, a SR&RL #24, out and about on a few different 7¼" tracks in New Zealand. Go to our Yahoo group (7+NGM), go to photo's area, look for the "Squirrel Valley Railway, NZ" folder, and have a bit of a look. There are also a few shots there of our own back-yard railway. Our new #24 finished and out visiting with a guest driver Visiting at Palmerston North, March '07. Our first outing with the new loco. Havelock North Live Steamers, Easter '07. The blowdown at the end of a day's running. It just fits on the turntable... Here we are with my two best toys, note the G scale one on the running board... Grant Alexander Squirrel Valley Rauilway, Cambridge, New Zealand.
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:21:15 -0000 From: "Rome" Subject: Car construction Hello, I am planning on building a working backyard railroad in the next 3 to 5 years. In the meantime I thought that I would start construction of a simple flatcar, from scratch, based on the Monson Railroad (Maine two footer) plans. Are there any suggestions as to materials that I should use? I am planning on using the flatcar platform to construct gondolas and boxcars as well, as did the Monson R.R. I have visited the SR&CL website, and admire their work. Many Thanks! Rome
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Casper Subject: Re: Car construction Rome, You didn't mention scale but we used wolmanized wood to make the stringers and deck boards, red and white oak for the rest according to what was used by the big boys on the Sandy Ridge. Tom C.
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:04:20 -0000 From: "Roy Stevens" Subject: Re: Car construction Wood and steel. But seriously the construction methods you use will depend greatly on your skill level, available time, and desired outcome. The SR&CL guys do such an amazing job. I aspire to that but end up using some shortcuts and commercially available parts and end up with equipment that is 'good enough for me'. I also recommend you start with something more simple as well as construct a gas or electric loco. I've seen so many people start with high aspirations but burn out in the hobby because they have nothing but a bunch of partially machined steam engine castings in their garage. Roy
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:34:46 -0000 From: "William Van Lenten" Subject: Re: Car construction Go back to the SR&CL website. Look arround they have a plan area where a flat car, gondola, and a coach are in drawings. Bill
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:50:30 -0000 From: "Ben Hofmann" Subject: Tom Miller/Bart Pond D&RGW K-36 Castings/Drawings I understand these drawings/castings were sold to a gentleman in texas. Anyone have contact information for the new owner? -Ben
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 02:19:53 -0500 From: "Thomas Scott" Subject: Re: Re: Car construction Could you send me the url for the SR&CL website? I have looked for it on the internet, but came up with everything else but the site I wanted. Thomas Scott Central Illinois Live Steamers.
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:25:09 -0000 From: "Hubert Wetekamp" Subject: Re: Car construction Hello Thomas, here it is: http://www.srclry.com/ Greetings from Germany Hubert
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:58:57 -0700 From: Peter Moseley Subject: Re: Tom Miller/Bart Pond D&RGW K-36 Castings/Drawings These were sold to Henry Todaro in Texas. Peter Moseley
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:53:22 -0500 From: "Thomas Scott" Subject: Re: Re: Car construction Thank you Hubert for the url. I will be down loading the plans and starting to build some of then. I am working in 2 1/2 scale running on 7 1/2 " gauge. Not sure what part of Germany you are located in, but my ancestry on my mother's side of the house came from Prusha. The sir mane is Punke. Thomas U S of A Central Illinois Live Steamers Ham Radio N9GIJ
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:06:39 -0700 From: "Daniel F. Morris" Subject: To All: The AGM was held in Brussels, Belgium at "Le Petit Train a Vapeur de Forest". Some 60 locomotives arrived for the Meet - mainly from the UK, but other Society members brought locomotives from Switzerland, Germany and France. Roy Anderson, an old friend from the USA also came along - but without a locomotive to enjoy the proceedings. The Society Chairman, David Boyde was presented with a Belgian Railways Hat by the host club which he proudly wore throughout the weekend. His "Thank you speech" was made in English to the Host Club, but was interpreted into French by Society member Irene Henzi who found that her services as an Interpreter were required on more than one occasion throughout the weekend. Thanks to Tony Gosling from the U.K. for sharing these very interesting pixs! Check these out and more at "Live Steaming In The Pacific Northwest" Enjoy, I did! Dan Morris
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:14:42 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Boyd A Butler" Subject: Paint Found out by asking around some paint that will match box car red very close, Rustolum primer red with there matte clear over the top, gives a sheen with very little gloss to it. I am using spray cans at this time as dont know if I can get it so one can use a spray gun. Have talked to several people that have used that brand and have stored there cars outside with very good results. Boyd Butler
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:14:31 -0700 From: "Geoff" Subject: Re: Paint Boyd, I borrowed a piece of board that was at museum and took it to Home depot and had it computer color matched and used their best exterior paint and also got a great match. And yes the Rustoleum is available in qts and gallons. Hope this helps, Geoff
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:53:16 -0400 From: "Pat Turner" Subject: Train Mountain Narrow Gauge meets There is a write up in the current issue (Nov/Dec 2007) of Live Steam on the Train Mountain 2007 Narrow Gauge meet. As this says it is the first Annual meet I was wondering what the dates for 2008 will be? It is not listed on the Train Mountain web site. Pat Turner
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:03:17 -0500 From: "Bill Laird" Subject: Re: Train Mountain Narrow Gauge meets The article states that the "Second Annual NG Meet at TM will be held the first week in May 2008". Bill Laird Canyon Lake, Texas
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:10:26 -0400 From: "Pat Turner" Subject: Re: Train Mountain Narrow Gauge meets Duh... I thought I read it well.... Pat Turner http://www.TurnerModelWorks.com
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:24:30 -0000 From: "Rome" Subject: Flatcar Construction Tom, Roy, and the group, I was away for the weekend, and wanted to get back to you guys, and the group. Tom C. wrote... You didn't mention scale.. . Similar to the SR&CL Rwy, 7.5 and use 4" = 1' or 1/4" = 1" scale, give or take a bit! ...we used wolmanized wood... ...oak for the rest.. I was planning on using some sort of pressure treated wood (had to look up what "wolmanized" was...), possibly oak(s) on the high stress areas, and use 7.5" commercial trucks, bolsters, and couplers. Posted by: "Roy Stevens" ...I also recommend you start with something more simple as well as construct a gas or electric loco. I've seen so many people start with high aspirations but burn out... My problem is finances, as well as time to construct everything. I have been thinking about a back yard railroad since I was in 3rd ('73) grade when I got my first Little Engines catalog. I have also spent the last 25 years in the railroad industry (museum, shortlines, and class 1), from track all the way up to the high iron, so I am not worried about high aspirations or burn out, but I really appreciate the advice and concern. I have my eye on a couple of little battery switchers, but figured a flatcar would be an easy first project to get my feet wet. While I admire the steam locos, I like the simplicity of the battery locos. I have looked at the SR&CL plans, and have the actual Monson Railroad plans in my files as well. When it comes to wooden boxcars, what kind of wood do you folks use for siding? I figured I would build the car on a flatcar frame, as a tool car like the SR&LC Rwy. Many thanks! Rome
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:50:31 -0500 From: "Rick White" Subject: Re: Train Mountain Narrow Gauge meets Go to http://www.trainmountain.org/news.asp and you will see that the dates are May 2-5, 2008. Other dates for 2008 have been adjusted and that is given there, also. Rick White Central Texas
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:04:59 -0000 From: "chiloquinruss" Subject: Re: Train Mountain Narrow Gauge meets Fri, April 25- Sun, April 27, 2008
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:57:29 -0700 From: Peter Moseley Subject: Re: Re: Train Mountain Narrow Gauge meets Russ: Now you've got us all confused. Which is it? April or May? At the previous NG meet it was switched to the first weekend in May. We need the official word please. Thanks Peter Moseley
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:31:33 -0700 From: "Hobby-Tronics" Subject: Train Mountain Narrow Guage Meet 2008 Hi gang, Now that i have everyone completely confused on the dates for the Train Mountain Narrow Guage Meet 2008, the actual dates are May 2nd, through May 5th 2008. Once again I must apologize to da' group for getting things all messed up! When in doubt, please go to the website for the latest information. If it is not posted there it is not official! http://www.trainmountain.org Russ
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:29:42 -0700 From: "Daniel F. Morris" Subject: Dave Skagen's Mini Meet Pixs To All: I have just posted pixs for the Mini Meet held at Dave Skagen's Private track in Shelton, WA. The day was overcast and it rained slightly making for slippery operations. But a good time was had by those that attended. These pixs are courtesy of Ken Olsen of Seattle. Check these out and more at "Live Steaming In The Pacific Northwest" Enjoy! Dan Morris
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:42:20 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Boyd A Butler" Subject: Trucks <Snipped by the moderator> Now lets get back to railroading I know that winter is upon us so lets make the best out of it like I usually dont do and start or finish a project. Mine is to finally get my SW7s done for next year. Again I will ask does any one know where one can get swing motion 1.5" trucks as have been unable to locate any. Thanks Boyd out west where its getting cold again.
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:17:47 -0000 From: "William Van Lenten" Subject: Re: Trucks Boyd, I have been in this hobby for 30+ years. I don't know of anyone who makes swing motion trucks. Maybe you could follow the designs of a lead truck under a steam engine and make it for two axles. Bill
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:22:46 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Boyd A Butler" Subject: Re: Trucks Well the problem is two fold, one I need a bettendorf or andrews style the second my ablity to do something like that is limited. I wish that I could do what some others do, look as a waazzittt and say look you can make a simulated gizmaflinky out of it, to those people,some of which I have met at Train Mountain, I take off my hat and bow my bald head to with great esteam, no not a spelling error what hobby are we in? Now that the humor is over, I do thank you as chased one lead to a conclusion that turned out to be a dead end but I do thank any one who comes forward with an answer, may not be the one I want but at least people like you take the time to answer. Just got the matte coat on my flat, now to do the wood deck and its ready for lettering. The box car red color turned out great, not too flat looks like a new car with just a sheen to the paint, primer red with clear matte over it. Soon onto the SW7s and finish those up. Thanks again Boyd Butler still out west and looking for trains.
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:25:04 -0700 From: "James Hoback" Subject: Re: Trucks Boyd, What are these swing motion trucks to be used under? I only know of narrow gauge Carter Brothers swing motion trucks. It seems that Conway or an associate had some of these for 1-1/2" or 2-1/2" scale. How about Real Trains? They had quite a variety of trucks. Regards, Jim Hoback
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:46:48 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Boyd A Butler" Subject: Re: Trucks Well they were used under cabooses and some passinger cars mine were going to be for a caboose in 1.5" scale. But it seems that I will just use some andrews for that as cannot find any but Tom Bee sad that he might produce some roller bearing ones when he gets the time. I was looking for plain bearing ones bettendorf style. Thanks Boyd, now off to work on my motorcycle, already finished painting the flat car.
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:24:03 -0400 From: Arno Martens Subject: Re: Trucks I know you are talking power trucks but could you adapt the cast iron swing motion bolsters that Dennis Goodman in Michigan makes? -- Cheers, Arno
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:04:22 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Boyd A Butler" Subject: Re: Trucks Oh yes Arno, sorry bout that but the SW7 is another project not the one for the trucks, they are for my new caboose that is resting in Florida in the back seat of a friends truck and wont be coming north until spring. Long story about it but it has more miles getting to and from here and there than most full scales I think. Just emailed Connie about lettering for it along with my engines and flat cars. It never stops always something to do or get for them. Well its off to ride the motorcycle as just got it running again, what's another hundred or so just play money right? No its money I could be putting to good use for more train stuff. Thanks Boyd out and riding in the dark if it doesn't quit again.
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:12:03 -0500 From: BusBarn@Prodigy.net Subject: Re: Winter project I would like to build a couple class A Climax locomotives in 3.75" scale but can not find construction drawings for the locomotive. I did find some simple drawings online and was told the book "A Climax Locomotive" has a number, but can not find this book for sale anywhere and the publisher tells me they will not reprint it for a couple more years. Can anyone help me with some construction drawings? Thanks, Rick Taylor
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:21:44 -0500 From: BusBarn@Prodigy.net Subject: Re: Trucks Speaking of trucks, does anyone have a source for 3.75" scale arch bar journal boxes? I just need rough castings, I can machine them. Thanks, Rick Taylor
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:32:14 -0000 From: "William Van Lenten" Subject: Re: Winter project The Book on the Climax can be had at the Discover Live Steam website.. Contact Jim@discoverlivesteam.com Bill
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 02:36:25 -0000 From: "William Van Lenten" Subject: Re: Trucks True 3.75 trucks can be had from Roll Models..... The so called 2.50 scale trucks I bought from Tom Bee, are actuallaly 3 inch scale for 7.50 gauge and come complete with air brakes installed for arround $700.00. You will probaly get them for less now. Bill
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:17:23 -0700 From: "James Hoback" Subject: Re: Winter project Rick, Amazon has 7 used copies and one new copy of Kozo's Climax book. Building a "couple" of Climaxes in 3.75 scale is quite ambitious. Regards, Jim Hoback
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:41:21 -0700 From: "James Hoback" Subject: Climax Books Amazon also has copies of The Climax Locomotive. The Climax Locomotive by Dennis Thompson, Richard Dunn, and Steve Hauff (Hardcover - Aug 2002) 2 Used & new from $159.00 Books: See all 43 items No one said they were cheap. The receipt in my copy shows a price of $57.25 when new in '02. James Hoback Sonora Short Line Ry. Sonora, California
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:01:02 -0500 From: BusBarn@Prodigy.net Subject: Re: Winter project Jim, thanks for getting back to me, but the book I was told to find is; Dennis Thompson (Author), et al "The Climax Locomotive" [Hardcover] But I will check out the book by Kozo. Thanks again. -- Rick Taylor The Old Shop Teacher Smack Dab in the middle of the US Topeka, KS
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:03:44 -0500 From: BusBarn@Prodigy.net Subject: Re: Climax Books The Climax Locomotive by Dennis Thompson, Richard Dunn, and Steve Hauff (Hardcover - Aug 2002) This is the book I was told to purchase, thanks for finding it. I knew the price had gone up, but I didn't want to wait tell it was published again, I wanted to get a start this winter. Thanks again for your help. And I would love to visit your RR someday with a working loco and consist. Rick Taylor
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:50:12 -0700 From: "James Hoback" Subject: Re: Winter project The above book has tons of beautiful photos but only a few line drawings with no dimensions. Kozo's book would have complete plans with dimensions for a generic Climax. For building a model, Kozo's book would be better than "The Climax Locomotive. ~Jim
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:40:45 -0400 From: Arno Martens Subject: Re: Climax Books Jim, never understood why SWMBO says I am wasting money when all we are doing is increase the family wealth, right? -- Regards, Arno
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:53:40 -0700 From: "James Hoback" Subject: Re: Climax Books They just don't get it Arno. ~Jim
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:01:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Killen Subject: Re: Winter project I echo that. I bought the book when it first came out, and while it is very interesting, it is of practically no use to the prospective builder. If and when I build either a Heisler or a Climax I shall have to find a local relic and camp out next to it with a tape measure and a big notebook. Hmm, better wait till at least next summer; it gets wet up here (Seattle) in the winter. Regards, Rich
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:18:49 +0000 From: Lineshaft@comcast.net Subject: Re: Winter project Rich, and others, Just for info, I have drawings and plans for a 2 truck Heisler in 2 1/2" scale. The drawings are from the late Dennis Riches of Seattle. I bought the rights to reproduce them. I have a site at http://heislerlocomotive.com/default.aspx You can contact me at Lineshaft@comcast.net. Dave Fontes
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:27:09 -0700 From: "James Hoback" Subject: Re: Winter project Rich, You are right, you would be getting accurate information for the loco you want to build. Slow work though. The problem area would be any curved castings. Those would be a bi*ch to measure accurately. Especially while laying on your back under the loco in gear grease and dirt. An accurate set of plans, if available, would be a real time and laundry saver. Go forward boldly with tape measure, notebook and camera! (Been there, done that) :-) Regards, Jim Sonora Short Line Ry. Sonora, California
From: Enginemen Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Winter project Hey you Slacker Dave? I went to you attached web Heislerlocomotive and it did not work, what the heck??? Just so you know this is Shep(Coast Guard Shepherd)its been two years now since I left but had to give you some junk. Hope all is well, but really the site would not open. You still helping out Ray? sounds like its getting harder for him to walk around, talk to Ken off and on, well take care. Shep
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:56:45 +0000 From: Lineshaft@comcast.net Subject: 2 1/2" Scale Heisler Plans OK This is the correct site address. There was an extra "." http://heislerlocomotive.com/default.aspx
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:14:47 -0000 From: "chiloquinruss" Subject: Re: Winter project Shep - just kill the period after the aspx and it open right up. Russ
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:13:09 -0500 From: BusBarn@Prodigy.net Subject: Re: Winter project Jim, does the Kozo book include class A climax drawings? Thanks, Rick
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:05:38 -0500 From: BusBarn@Prodigy.net Subject: Re: Winter project Does anyone know if this Climax has been measured? http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=5330 I would like to make the trip, but if I could purchase some prints I would be happy. Thanks, Rick Taylor
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:16:19 -0700 From: "James Hoback" Subject: Re: Winter project No, class B only. ~Jim
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:07:19 -0700 From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Subject: Club Running Times Hi all, Denise and I are planning a trip south to Mexico in the latter part of February 2008. Are any of the clubs along Highway 5 (or reasonably close [1 hour] to it) having any run days then. We will be doing the travel trailer thing just to get out of our wet wet wet winters. If anyone knows of activities at that time could you please let me know at dennisdv@telus.net Thanks Dennis
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:51:58 -0000 From: "William Van Lenten" Subject: Re: Club Running Times One good stop is at Dave Skagens in Shelton Wasington, If you are stopping at TM on the way back, then Golden Gate Live steamers, and Tom Millers in Sherwood Oregon, The Redwood Valley Railroad (Erich Thomsons) 15" gauge, The Califoria Railroad Museum Los Angeles Live Steamers, Southern Califoria Society of Model Engineers in SanDiago... These are a few tracks I have been to. Go to www.discoverlivesteam.com and look under live steam railroads on the left. There will be a listing for Washington-Oregon, California. Bill
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:25:30 -0000 From: "chiloquinruss" Subject: Re: Club Running Times Dennis - Where are you starting from, that may help us help you! :o) Russ
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:24:00 -0700 From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Subject: Re: Re: Club Running Times I thought everyone knew I lived in Port Alberni on Vancouver Island. I will be entering the states at Port Angeles Washington and heading south on 101 to Olympia and then on I-5 to Mexico. I may drop by TM on the trip north to see whats happening and maybe working a day or three. Dennis
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:59:36 -0000 From: "smallhand27" Subject: Building the Clishay (in slooow motion) I'm forever working on the Clishay engine. As I re-read over the serial articles of the engine, I don't see the print for part # 204, that screws into the top of the steam chest,#203. Is it located somewhere else? Thanks, Ray Hill
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:00:13 -0700 From: "Daniel F. Morris" Subject: Maricopa Live Steamers Fall Meet Pixs To All: This past weekend I had the privilege of attending Maricopa Live Steamers Fall Meet located near Phoenix, AZ. This club has a very extensive track that is all block signal controlled. The trains are controlled from a dispatch tower which is computerized. They have over 45K of track on a massive amount of acreage. I rode the railroad at night to avoid the day time heat which I am not native to at all. The night time running afforded the railroader a chance to easily see the block signals as they were approached. You could also see other parts of the railroad and it's blocks from different angles. This railroad is truly an awesome track, one that I intend on going to again soon and possibly one day to actually run my train there. With the addition of MLS to the site, it now allows you 23 different tracks to see and enjoy! Check this out and more at "Live Steaming In The Pacific Northwest" ENJOY! Dan Morris
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:13:06 EDT From: douglasandcj@aol.com Subject: Saafety Issues I know that there has been a lot of controversy on whether to use chains between cars when running especially when you have grades on the railroad. Recently there has been a very serious accident on a two foot gauge railroad in Minnesota where a caboose broke loose from a train and started rolling backwards. There were passengers on the caboose in addition to a brakeman. I've been told by an eye witness that the brakeman was able to get out of the car and tried to stop the car. Unfortunately the car derailed and the brakeman tried to stop the car from rolling on it's side and was crushed in the process and died. There were several injuries with the passengers riding in the caboose. For us in the hobby an incident like this is not good and it doesn't matter what gauge the trains are. Our exposure to suits brought on by injuries or worse continues to get worse. I for one am very concerned when having the railroad open to the public and every thing we can do to lessen the exposure for a lawsuit needs to be brought forward. Running without chains between cars if you don't have automatic brakes on all cars is something we all need to embrace especially when there is the possibility of a loose car running into someone following or when hauling passengers. Douglas De Berg
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:04:52 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Boyd A Butler" Subject: Train Wreck Tried to find out the details of the wreck and was unable to come up with anything when and where did it happen as google doent see to have anything on it. Boyd
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:34:11 +0000 From: Roy Stevens Subject: RE: Maricopa Live Steamers Thanks for posting the photos. I preferred running at night there because it improved the illusion of running on a real railroad, it eliminated the peripheral distractions. The signaling system is first class and the group is very friendly. It really is a nice track and I hope to make it to the 40th anniversary celebration in the spring. Roy
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:59:54 -0400 From: Arno Martens Subject: Re: Saafety Issues Running without chains between cars if you don't have automatic brakes on all cars is something we all need to embrace Per chance, did you mean to say "running _with_ chains ..." -- Arno
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:08:30 -0700 From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Subject: Google Sketchup Does anyone have any experience with this offering http://sketchup.google.com/index.html I just read about it in Canadian Home Workshop and was wondering if it was any good. -- Regards Dennis Way out here in Port Alberni BC, Canada. Eh!
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:10:01 -0000 From: "John Vincent" Subject: Re: Saafety Issues I'm suprised a line as big as 2 foot gauge doesn't have an automatic brake system. I thought that would have been a requirement. After all, 2 foot gauge equipment can get rather large, obviously large enough to life expire the brakeman. John Vincent
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:17:47 -0400 From: Ferdinand Mels Subject: Re: Saafety Issues Hi Douglas I would agree - most of these accidents occur when people neglect the obvious and take shortcuts. Safety chains would be one of those neglected shortcuts. I get upset when members at our club don't enforce passenger behavior and station platform behavior with diligence. It is always fun until the guest gets hurt - amazing how the best of intentions can turn ugly.
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: James Keeline Subject: Re: Google Sketchup I have played with it a bit and it seems like it has potential. The price for the basic version is certainly good (free). Like any complex tool, it takes some time to master. For example, I have tried to make certain shapes and they don't lock into planes if all of the points are not coplanar. I haven't found a tool to let you select all of the line segments and flatten them into a plane -- a needed feature, I think. James
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:21:33 +0000 From: Lineshaft@comcast.net Subject: Re: Train Wreck Try this link http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=267289 Dave
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:46:34 -0400 From: Ralph Reese Subject: RE: Saafety Issues I agree! We do not allow any visiting locomotive to run without safety chains. And of course all home locomotives are so equipt. We keep spare chains and links on hand for visitors in an effort to assist. As a 7 1/2" and 2' gauge club we always hate to hear about any accident, and we should ALL look at this incident as a lesson learned Ralph M. Reese
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:18:48 -0000 From: "John Vincent" Subject: Re: Train Wreck I thought this was a caboose break away hitting another train. Instead its a tip over on a corner. Although I agree with the safety chain idea, I don't see how it could have helped in this instance. John Vincent
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:03:43 -0000 From: "daveschoeffler12" Subject: Riding the Temecula Shortline Family rides on my backyard pike... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHpl10vOB34 Added by the moderator: Here you can download a flv-file of this video, if it's no longer available at youtube. The filesize is 8.2 MByte.
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:17:26 -0000 From: "narrowbend" Subject: Re: Riding the Temecula Shortline Thanks for sharing your RR, Dave. Is that the same remote switch throw featured in a recent issue of The Home Raiway Journal? Michael in Bend, OR
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:27:28 -0000 From: "daveschoeffler12" Subject: Re: Riding the Temecula Shortline Yes..same switch. No blips in 2 years except where kids forget to throw it all the way. Probably would consider a notch to lock-in the throw in each direction.
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:55:03 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Boyd A Butler" Subject: Chains There is a group that runs at Train Mountain that is trying a different approach to chains or drawbacks, I am sure that if they work out you will see it on this or another web site but its a different way to do the same thing, will allow no mods of your equipment and others to be used that do not match up with the chains or cables that are presently used. Boyd Butler, way out west and still making little sticks for the flat decks, so many little boards needed so many more to make, only 480 to finish, well almost have six done.
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:05:27 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Boyd A Butler" Subject: Wreck Ok thanks for the link, that style of car is why we do not have any Gons or cars like that for the public to ride in at Train Mountain. Before when we used gons and such if there was a derailment almost every time people ended up on the ground sometimes with some scrapes due to the fact that you could not keep you balance when the car tipped. We now use for the public, flat cars with boat seats on them and at a height that one can just put there feet down on the ballast and stand up or brace themselves without falling off even if the car tips slightly. Private cars are allowed to be ever what one wants but there are rules that they are run under in place to find those out go to TM web site. Boyd Butler, still cutting wood, will have plenty of scrap left for the winter heat.
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:19:41 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Boyd A Butler" Subject: Wreck After watching the video it was a very bad deal all the way around but due to the size of the caboose, what the fellow was thinking by doing that was about like jumping out in front of a car to stop it from running over someone. There should have been better supervision so that people just like in the smaller scales don't all look or move over to one side of the train, this has happened on boats and with the same result. I thought that it was a smaller scale than what it really was, this is a full scale RR car just narrow gauge. Boyd still making fire wood.
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: MERLE MILLER Subject: Re: Re: Riding the Temecula Shortline Do you mean there are railroad switches out there without notches? Do those not sound cheesey? Switch Cheese notchos! Notcho cheese switches! My switchs sure have notches. Merle.
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:51:46 +1300 From: "Grant @ Squirrel Valley Railway" Subject: Re: Re: Riding the Temecula Shortline The trouble with notchos in your cheesy switch's is that you might find yourself "un-railed" if you try and trail thru them when they are set against you. I simply have weights to hold my switch levers over, thus they can be operated by the train when trailing through... Grant Squirrel Valley Railway Cambridge, NZ.
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:17:35 -0000 From: "daveschoeffler12" Subject: Re: Riding the Temecula Shortline Haven't checked my switch, but my throw has none.
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:21:17 -0000 From: "daveschoeffler12" Subject: Re: Riding the Temecula Shortline What about spring-loading the switch?
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:16:46 +1300 From: "Grant @ Squirrel Valley Railway" Subject: Was "Riding the Temecula Shortline", now "swiss cheese nachos" Excellent idea Dave, in fact I do have some spring loaded turnouts, primarily at passing loops to keep opposing trains on opposite paths of the loop. But, there are places where I want the turnouts to sit either one way, or the other, but still want to trail through occassionally. I know Chris Draper (Winter Creek) has come up with a good design that allows you to trail through then the swtich resets itself to how it was before you went through, no matter what direction it was set to start with, but these are just a little too complicated for this simply man! Grant Squirrel Valley Railway Cambridge, NZ
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:16:19 -0700 From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza Subject: Train Mountain 6 Acre Campground Does anyone know for sure if a small camper trailer (17 foot) can be used in the 6 Acre campground? I just purchased one and it is about the same size as the tent I used last year. Regards Dennis Way out here in Port Alberni BC, Canada. Eh!
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:16:06 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Boyd A Butler" Subject: Trailer Well I know that there has been some in there every meet but for you I don't know if you bring brown water for gifts to appease the gods yes I think you can. Boyd up here cold dry and up too early.
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: MERLE MILLER Subject: Re: Re: Riding the Temecula Shortline Michael: This is a really nice layout on a small area. Very impressive, if you ask me. I don't have nearly as many amenities and cool surround things on my railroad, as yet. But I'm hoping to get there some day. Thanks for the ideas. Did you have to get sign permits for those cute billboards? I know that SOME places are ridiculous about sign permits, no matter what the size. Merle.
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:00:30 -0000 From: "daveschoeffler12" Subject: Re: Riding the Temecula Shortline Merle: Thanks. No permits ... shhh! Since my RR is small I felt I needed more trackside features...after all, one does a loop on the Temecula Shortline every minute. I am working on a 1.5" scale Main Street with lighting and sounds as well as a new water tower and 150ft track/tresle extension. Home Railway Journal will be doing an article soon. Want to see anoher small RR with lots of activity and trackside ideas? Check this one by the Brits... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZPmEQui_I4 Dave
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:49:48 +1300 From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Trailer Do we take it Boyd-the-firewood-maker has been replaced by Boyd-the-cold-and-dry? Chris with digger waiting to lay more track (its spring here!) Chris Draper Winter Creek Railway Auckland, New Zealand
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:20:32 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Boyd A Butler" Subject: Fire Wood Maker Na decided that the sun is out time to make more sticks, got to get glue and warm the garage up above freezing tho. Boyd back to the sticks.
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:05:17 -0700 From: "jerald_maydell_crane" Subject: Re: Train Mountain 6 Acre Campground Dennis, Yes you can use a small trailer in 6 Acre, but you will not has electric and water hook-up. If you go to Blue Caboose you can get those two hook-ups. There is not sewer hook-up at either camp ground, but you can dump gray water only in holding tanks at the camp grounds. For black water, there is a dump station at Collier State Park just 8 miles down the road. You can dump there for free or make a donation. Jerry Crane
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) From: MERLE MILLER Subject: Re: Re: Riding the Temecula Shortline Dave: That is one fine layout! Many would say cluttered, ... but I say, it must have taken a long time to get all that together and syncronized. Are all those switches remotely electrically controlled? Wow! And with a youngster running everything in the tower! Just amazing. Are the engines electric drive also? I am soooooooo envious. There are so many amazing layouts like these around the world. If everyone spent their energy on stuff like this, instead of trying to blow things (and people) up......... the world would surely be a better place, wouldn't it? Merle.
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:24:55 -0000 From: "daveschoeffler12" Subject: Re: Riding the Temecula Shortline Yes...more trains, less explosions. I'm not smart enough to figure out his signalling, but his website has it all detailed here... http://www.rideonrailways.co.uk/ourrailway/page08.html Dave

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