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7-Plus-NGM Digest January 2008
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 06:46:31 -0000 From: "Frolin Marek" Subject: Re: Marek Mountain Mining - 4" scale Bill, Just checked and the official web-site for the Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake Railway is working fine tonight... Thought not as current, different stuff, I have many photos on a section of my site as well... Frolin Marek Marek Mountain RR San Antonio, Texas
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:59:15 -0600 From: "Tom Casper" Subject: Re: Marek Mountain Mining - 4" scale Frolin; Glad to see you back at it again with the big boy. I see you have plenty of air conditioning for those warm Texas days. Maybe you can trailer it north someday and run with us. Will the wheels work? Happy New Year all. Jack is plowin snow today as he got 5.5 inches to clear to keep the trains rollin. I have to miss it as couldn't stay over for the holiday. BUMMER!!!!!! Later: Tom Casper
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:07:52 -0600 From: BusBarn@Prodigy.net Subject: Re: Marek Mountain Mining - 4" scale Tom Did you make any of the run days over the holidays? I sure enjoyed my trip up there and have really enjoyed telling my RR buddies around this area about how much fun it was. We had a New Year's run day at a local track today and trying to explain the SR&CL is almost impossible, you really have to experience it. Have you heard anything more about the DVD's being made? I really need to purchase one of those to show my friends how magnificent a railroad it is. Rick Taylor
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:38:14 -0000 From: "John Oxlade" Subject: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways My wife and I are just about to buy some ground on which I plan to build a 7.25" gauge railway. The terrain will be "a challenge" to build a line round but one option would be to use rack-and-adhesion. I know there were a series of articles on building a Koppel rack loco some years ago as I saw some of the end products at the Model Engineer's exhibition in London before we moved here to New Zealand. Does anyone out there have experience of running rack locos on a miniature railway? Can anyone offer any suggestions? Preferably polite! :-) Have any of the Koppel's come up for sale? If so, what sort of money did they go for? Any information would be appreciated. Even if I go adhesion-only, I'll still have an interesting line, so it is not the end of the world if rack is not and option. Many thanks, John Cambridge, NZ
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:21:50 -0500 From: Rich Dean Subject: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways John, Ken Swan in England develped a 7 1/4 kit of castings & drawings some years ago for the Kopple Rack Adhesion loco. He gave me a GA drawing of it and I saw the early prototype somewhere on the net. A club built a short demo track/hill to give it a run. I bought his Kerr Stuart Wren kit that is now going together. I have not had contact with him since 1987. Perhaps someone on list knows his status these days. His address then was 7 Dipwood Way, Rowlands Gill, Tyne & Wear. All the best, RichD
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:51:09 -0500 From: Arno Martens Subject: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Hello John, Cannot help you with your Koppel Zahnradbahn but maybe Hubert can. It'll be just Sinsheim time in less than two weeks maybe he can fine out more about it. Will your new track also be SLR, albeit 7-1/4" and upside down? As an aside, whatever happened to the beautiful drawings on that site where you were the web master and which seems to just be a commercial gateway today. -- Regards, Arno
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:14:38 -0500 From: "The Milbournes" Subject: RE: Re: Marek Mountain Mining - 4" scale I've tried the website several times in the past week or two and it hasn't been working for me, including just now here at 9:25 pm EST. Jan 2. The srclry link gets resolved to home.comcast.net/~mrcaswell and then just tries to load for a long time. It must be doing something little by little because it never times out to an error screen, but nothing displays either - at least not in many minutes of waiting. Mark
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:17:36 +1300 From: John Oxlade Subject: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Hi Arno, If you could "ask around" at Sinsheim that'd be great, thanks. My new line will definitely be narrow-gauge outline and most likely 7.25" gauge. We'll see, until I get a suitable piece of land then there is no point in getting "too" excited. Not sure what you mean about "being a commercial gateway". Do you www.germanrailways.com? That was quite a few years ago and the "real" DBAG came after me for perporting to be the real railways - which I plainly stated I wasn't, so I dropped that domain name. I ahve been using www.worldrailfans.info for years now and the SLR pages are still where they have always been: http://www.worldrailfans.info/GardenRailway/SLR.htm I am also now starting on a new site for the 7.25" gauge line, though at the moment there is not a lot there: http://www.worldrailfans.info/7.25inch/index.shtml All the best and Happy New Year, John
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:28:09 -0500 From: Arno Martens Subject: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways If you could "ask around" at Sinsheim that'd be great, thanks. I am sorry if I made believe that I would be at Sinsheim. The owner of this Yahoogroup, Hubert Wetekamp usually takes his RGS Goose to Sinsheim (and to the Train Mountain's Triennial, but not last year when I was there) and I was referring to him. Not sure what you mean about "being a commercial gateway". Do you mean www.germanrailways.com? That was quite a few years ago and the "real" Right, that was it. http://www.worldrailfans.info/GardenRailway/SLR.htm I am also now starting on a new site for the 7.25" gauge line, though at the moment there is not a lot there: http://www.worldrailfans.info/7.25inch/index.shtml I'll check those out tomorrow. It is late but more importantly, after three drams of the stuff named after that little town in the Department Charente, although in my snack bracket it comes from Spain or Italy (but cannot be called by that unnamed town's name), I better not start looking. All the best and Happy New Year, Same to you, Cheers, (well, too late now) Arno
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:46:17 -0000 From: "andrerwjames" Subject: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Hi John, To answer some of your questions, I tried some three years ago to get the remaining plans from Ken Swan, He wanted an exorbatant ammout of money for them, at that time he was in poor health, he might well have died since. To my knoledge there are two Koppels in New Zealand one 040 Rack and one 060 adhesion, At prescent I am working on buildin an 040 rack and an 060 adheasion locomotives, I have a set of patterns for all the main castings. If you want to contact me off list i will give as much assistance as i can my email is andrew.gildersleve@clear.net.nz Regards Andrew
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:53:29 -0600 From: "Bill Laird" Subject: Blind Drivers I have a question on blind drivers. Are blind drivers tapered the same as flanged drivers or are they flat? If flat, is the diameter the same as the outside of flanged drivers, the inside of flanged drivers, or something in between? Thanks in advance for any insight. Bill Laird Canyon Lake, Texas
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:00:00 -0000 From: "John Vincent" Subject: Re: Blind Drivers Blind drivers are flat across their running surface. This allows free movement of the driver surface over the railhead for the full width of the driver running surface. The tread width of a blind driver is wider than a flanged driver but about the thickness of the flange. This gives a greater tolerance for movement over a tight radius without dropping in (or out) of the rail on a tight radius. As far as the diameter goes, it tends to be a mute point, particularly on a model. The taper on a flanged wheel is only 2 1/2 to 3 deg. That much over the small amount we deal with wouldn't make any difference in the operation of the locomotive. I supposed you could say the blind driver would be the larger of the tread diameter of a flanged wheel as the flanged wheel normally runs on the larger diameter of the wheel. John Vincent
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:23:29 -0800 From: Peter Moseley Subject: Re: Blind Drivers Hi Bill: Blind drivers are flat. Our flanged drivers are made with a flat section beginning at the root of the flange and then tapering (about 2 degrees as I recall) from about the mid-point of the wheel to the outer edge. The blind drivers are the same diameter as the flat portion of the flanged drivers. Some drivers are tapered over the full face and I don't know the answer for that situation. Peter Moseley
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:54:42 -0000 From: "Ed McCamey" Subject: Re: Blind Drivers Bill, Most (a true oxymoron) prototype blind drivers did have a taper matching the flanged drivers - but at the point of the root radius back where the flange is removed, the blind drivers were flat there. The blind drivers were also a noticeable bit wider in total. This issue came up several months ago on one of the small scales proto modeling lists and several folks submitted prototype pictures. If you're working from a set of prints for a specific model, the builder-designer likely has a specification and has allowed the width changes in the frame set up. Otherwise, the prints may assume just the same width wheels - but then you would lose the advantage of extra curve sharpness allowance. If you're designing or building a freelance, then getting some wider width drivers and allowing for the frame spacing would be a good choice. -ed mccamey- COSLAR RR
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:36:48 -0000 From: "fred veenschoten" Subject: Re: Blind Drivers a drawing i have on prototype shows a taper on both sides. on a 6" wide wheel the taper is 1/8" high by 1 1/4" wide across the tire. fred v
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 19:58:08 -0600 From: "Bill Laird" Subject: Responses to blind driver question First, let me thank all who responded to my question as to blind drivers being flat or tapered. I posted the question on several builders and narrow gauge internet lists and have so far received a total of 10 responses. Many of the responses were from accomplished loco builders and were not just somebody's best guess, but are based on proven practices. I thought I would share those responses with everyone. Surprisingly, there is no consensus on this issue. The responses fell into one of three groups. 1. Blind drivers are machined flat 2. Blind drivers are tapered to the same taper as the flanged drivers. 3. Blind drivers have both some flat area and some taper. The blind drivers are flat responses can be further broken down to indicate at what diameter they are turned; maximum diameter (same diameter as the root of the flange), minimum diameter (same diameter as the minimum taper or outside edge on the flanged drivers), or somewhere in between. Summary of responses: Blind drivers are flat - 5 responses (of those, two said they are machined to the minimum diameter, two said the maximum diameter, and one said they are machined to the midpoint between the minimum and maximum diameter. Blind drivers are tapered to the same taper as the flanged drivers - 2 responses. Blind drivers are machined to a combination, part of the tread surface being flat and part of it being tapered - 3 responses. Thanks again for each response. Bill Laird Canyon Lake, Texas
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 19:54:11 -0800 (PST) From: MERLE MILLER Subject: Re: Responses to blind driver question Let me add one more response. One that is based on a little math and physics. When the locomotive is riding on straight rails (and the track gauge is correct) all the wheels should have the same diameter, so there is no induced slippage (wheel to track, on the flangeless center wheels). So at a point close to the flange root, they should be the same diameter on all six (or eight) wheels. When the train is on a curve, inertial forces move the train outward, up against the flanges of the front and rear drivers, on the outside rail of the curve. If you sketch this from the top, you will see that the curve of the rail places the center drivers (the blind flangeless ones) running on the rail on the outside of their driving faces (where flanged wheels would be the smallest). But, this diameter on the blind wheels should then be the same as the root diameter on the flanged wheels (also, for no induced slippage), meaning the outer portion of the face should be flat. The wheels on the inside of the curve will have moved away from the inside rail and will be running on the smaller diameter. This reduces wheel squeal in curves. This is also exagerated by the widening of the gauge (in curves) on most rail systems. This is the time that the blind center drivers will be running on the part of their wheel where the flange would nomally be. Hence this part of the wheel should theoretically be smaller in diameter. But, since the amount of additional driving face made available by turning off the flange is relatively narrow, and the difference in diameter would therefore be relatively small, the simplest answer is to machine them flat at the diameter of the root of the flange. Because of the wheel taper, the rails eventually wear to a taper also, so the center drivers may have only limited rail contact in the end, anyway. Yeah, and verily, life is a series of approximations, in the end. Perfection escapes all us mortals. Merle
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2008 From: "Hannes Paling" Subject: Avonside 2065 Almost Finnished - Work list getting shorter Finnished Testing on compressed air
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:32:21 -0000 From: "John Vincent" Subject: Re: Responses to blind driver question .....and your point is?........ The only reference I can find to blind (plain) tire specificatiion, out of about eight technical books on the subject, is a reference in the Baldwin Locomotive Works Steam Locomotive Standards for 1946 refering to a "Flange Gauge Card 401" for plain tires. I don't have that standard, however a refernce in table "5-4c Tires" clearly shows the non flanged tire as being of a non tapered form and "Plain tires are to be set 1/4" inside of flanged tires, provided there is sufficient clearance from spring hangers etc". John Vincen
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 21:46:17 -0800 From: "Dave C" Subject: RE: Re: Responses to blind driver question In response to the many and varied responses to the blind driver or plain tire question is the page from the locomotive construction engineers manual from the turn of the century. Dave C.
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:43:11 +0100 From: "Hubert Wetekamp" Subject: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Hello, sorry in the delay of answering your mail, but to much to do and not enough time ;-) I'm Hubert from Germany, the moderator, and as mentioned by another member, I'm going to Sinsheim next thursday for the annual indoor live steam festival . This time only with my 3" scale equipment of 5" gauge to participate in Gerd's Feldbahn-BW. For my trip to Train Mountain, it was only one time in 2003, that I had rolling-stock with me, because it's to expensive to do this every Triennial. And it wasn't a goose, it was a RGS Speeder in 3" scale. For the rack-railway: I know, that their is at least one layout in europe with a rack-line. This is the Swiss Vapeur Parc near the sea of Geneve, south of Montreux. Sadly, only in the german (and perhaps the french, but I don't speak this language and so I'm not able to check it out), they have a document regarding the track-railway. They state, that in Summer 2006 a decision was made to develop a model-rack-system following the ABT-Type. In february 2007, the norm was was published by a specialist of the technical school of Biel. The rack-system in this norm follows the ABT-rules with two racks side by side, as it's used today on the former Furka-Oberalp-Railway and the Brig-Visp-Zermatt-Railway on the route of the Glacier-Express. The Suisse Vapeur Park has an rackrailway with a length of 150 meter on 7.25" since 2000. They use a single rack with a module of 6.35, which isn't scale, but works perfect for running and maintenance. After checking the new norm, they decided on april 27, 2007 to stay with their proved single rack system and not to follow the new standards. This was published on may 15, 2007. I remember, that their was an article regarding rack-railways in the german magazine Gartenbahnen, but cannot remember the issue. I will check next weekend, what I can find out in Sinsheim. Greetings from Germany Hubert
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:15:45 -0500 From: "The Milbournes" Subject: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Thanks Hubert for some translation. I found the german document but mein Deutsch ist sehr wenig! I don't quite understand. It says a decision was recently made to build a model rack system, but then it says that since 2000 they've had a 150 meter long system? So they're going to build another one in a different part of the park. Or will expand their existing track? The main part of the website has english available and lots of photos, but didn't see any photo of the existing rack system. Hopefully somebody at Sinsheim can provide more detail. Mark
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:01:39 +0100 From: "Hubert Wetekamp" Subject: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Hello Mark, Thanks Hubert for some translation. I found the german document but mein Deutsch ist sehr wenig! No problem ;-) I don't quite understand. It says a decision was recently made to build a model rack system, but then it says that since 2000 they've had a 150 meter long system? So they're going to build another one in a different part of the park. Or will expand their existing track? No, as written in my last mail, they have an existing rack-system since 2000, which proved successful. What they stated in the document, they will not follow the standards, which now are set, and keep their old system. Here is a google-translation of the document, with minor changes done by me: To all interested by the construction of gear models for the gauge of 7 1/4 inch Rack system for the Swiss Vapeur Parc At a meeting of interested people and specialists from the gear system at the scale 7 1/4 inch in the summer of 2006 in Bouveret it was decided, that the gear system ABT should thoroughly analyzed and derive a standard rack to define. In February 2007 a standard on this issue was published by a specialist of the technical school of Biel. This rack system is based on the system ABT, with double racks, used among others by the Furka-Oberalp Railway (FO) and Brig-Visp-Zermatt Railway (BVZ). The Swiss Vapeur Parc AG has a rackline of 7 1/4 inch gauge of 150m in operation since 2000. The used gear system consists of a single rack in a module of 6.35, which is not true scale. However, this gear system of simple design is full satisfaction in operation and maintenance for more than 7 years. After analysis of the newly proposed standard, the Swiss Vapeur Parc AG decided to keep the current system , and not change the cog system according to the standard. The new rack steam locomotive HG 3 / 4 of the Furka-Oberalp Railway (FO), under construction at the company Balson AG, will also equipped with the simple single rack system of module 6.35 . The main part of the website has english available and lots of photos, but didn't see any photo of the existing rack system. Sorry, I don't can find a photo of the rack line too. Also, it's not so far from me than for you, I never was their. My main reason for this is, that it's located in the french speaking part of Switzerland, and the people living their are most really special, which can understand german or english, but don't want understand. And than you are lost :-( Hopefully somebody at Sinsheim can provide more detail. Will see, what I can get on informations. Greetings from Germany Hubert
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:07:36 -0500 From: "The Milbournes" Subject: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways OK, so if I understand it right, people generally interested in rack systems proposed establishing standard scale system and considered the one published by the Biel specialist. But the Vapeur Parc has decided not to switch to that standard since their existing system is satisfactory. Trying to understand what "module 6.35" means. Something about the size and spacing of the rack teeth I'm sure. Surprising that they don't have a picture of it on their website. I looked through all the pictures also. Very nice park! Thanks again! Mark
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:12:51 +0100 From: "Hubert Wetekamp" Subject: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Hi again, OK, so if I understand it right, people generally interested in rack systems proposed establishing standard scale system and considered the one published by the Biel specialist. But the Vapeur Parc has decided not to switch to that standard since their existing system is satisfactory. Yes, you got it. That's important, if someone is building a rack locomotive and wants to travel around on existing layouts. Something like the 7.25 / 7.5 " gauge in the US. Trying to understand what "module 6.35" means. Something about the size and spacing of the rack teeth I'm sure. And now I'm in trouble, because I'm an office work and not technical studied. But I checked wikipedia in german and parallel in english, and now I think, I understood, what module means. Following the german-wikipedia-webpage, the module is the headheight of the working-tooth-area of an gear in metric millimeter.The footheight of the tooth is the same as the module, plus play of normally around 25%. So, if I understand correct, a toot of module 6.35 is overall is around 14.3 mm high (6.35 + 6.35 + 1.6). I first heard about the module from a friend, who is building the gearing for model-locomotives in different scales. And he told, that a gear with a coarse module like 0.5 or 0.7 will much noisier than a gear with a module of 0.3, because that's much finer. I hope, I described it correct and you can understand it. Surprising that they don't have a picture of it on their website. I looked through all the pictures also. Very nice park! I'm also surprised, that they don't have a picture of this interesting line. As written before, I never was their, but once had a video-show by a friend, who taped a complete roundtrip. So, I can say, I have ridden the train their ;-) Greetings from Germany Hubert
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:38:24 -0500 From: Arno Martens Subject: Re: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Have a look at http://mdmetric.com/tech/modulegeardata.pdf Basically module is the metric definition for diametric pitch so, to convert from one to the other 25.4 is always involved as a factor (25.4 mm = 1.000"). In this case, of course, by the sheerest of coincidences, 1/4". If you are a glutton for punishment you may want to explore http://www.scs.cmu.edu/~rapidproto/mechanisms/chpt7.html -- Cheers, Arno
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:10:44 -0500 From: "The Milbournes" Subject: RE: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Thanks again Hubert. Yes, good to have standards for that! I hadn't realized that there was enough activity in model rack RRs that standards needed to be established. Thats great that there is. So next question is who has 7.25" rack locos and tracks? I'd love to see some! We have enough hills around here. Wish I could get one! Thanks for the elaboration of module. Will look that up. Mark
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:14:50 -0800 From: Peter Moseley Subject: Re: Responses to blind driver question Is this hobby great or what? None of us know what we're talking about. What fun! Peter Moseley
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:17:03 -0500 From: Arno Martens Subject: Re: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Sadly, only in the german (and perhaps the french, but I don't speak this language and so I'm not able to check it out), they have a document regarding the track-railway. Just checked it. You are right, the French version is the same as in the German PDF. -- Cheers, Arno
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:39:11 +0100 From: "Hubert Wetekamp" Subject: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Hello, this morning, I searched and found the issue of Gartenbahnen, where the mentioned article about rack-railways in 7.25" gauge was printed. In this issue, the standards where mentioned to be online sometimes in 2006 on the website of the suisse producer Balson. And here they are: The standard in german as pdf-document The drawings in dxf-format: The gear with 15 teeth The gear with 16 teeth The gear with 17 teeth The gear with 18 teeth The gear with 20 teeth The gear with 24 teeth The rack And for available engines: Balson is producing an Furka-Oberalp-Steamer in scale 3" (1:4) scale (not correct, the correct scale should be 2.2" (1:5.4) scale. But because they are building for the Suisse Vapeur Park, where the engine should operate with hugh passenger trains, this is acceptable. Their are some private build rack-engines in Switzerland, two steamers in working-condition,but most time stored, and two layout's beside the vapeur-park. The engines, used on this layouts, are gas or electric. At the Suisse Vapeur Park, their once was an steamer, for which the track was built. But since this steamer was sold to overseas a couple of years ago, only sometimes a gas-engine is running on this track (and I think, that's the reason, why their is no picture on the website). All the best Hubert from Germany
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:28:53 +0100 From: "Hubert Wetekamp" Subject: RE: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Hello Arno, Thank you very much for the links. They give all the informations, I tried to translate without the knowledge about the gears ;-) Greetings from Germany Hubert
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:26:40 -0000 From: "William Van Lenten" Subject: Next Loco?? Hubert, have you finnished your next loco?? ..........Bill
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:10:58 +0100 From: "Hubert Wetekamp" Subject: Re: Next Loco?? Hello Bill, which loco? No additional engine planned, I have enough with my 3" scale diesel-critter and the RGS speeder as well the small critter on 5" gauge, which I bought two years ago. I have no layout here at home - and no space nor the money nor the time to build one -, and near to my home is a small clublayout - around 10 miles away -, which is for 7.25" only a circle and not much more for 5" gauge. And after running my own engine at Train Mountain, nearly every layout over here isn't interesting enough to hook up the trailer and drive hundreds of mile to run my equipment their. Especially at this time, where the gas- and dieselprices raise up to a height, I never expected. Greetings from Germany Hubert
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:45:29 -0500 From: Arno Martens Subject: Re: Re: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways I downloaded that PDF. Thanks for the info. -- Cheers, Arno
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:52:34 -0500 From: Arno Martens Subject: Re: RE: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Thanks, Hubert, You are doing fine with the translation. I almost felt morally obliged to do that translation in as much as I got you involved for John Oxlade. I was very pleased to find that you had beaten me to it. I have the sneaking suspicion that John can read German anyway. Something had to rub off with all those German loco pages he hosts (hosted?). -- Cheers, Arno
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:01:27 +1300 From: "John Oxlade" Subject: Re: RE: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways Arno, You flatter me, my German is shocking, though given time I can read enough to get me in to trouble! :-) Actually, the purchase of the land fell through (someone else bought it out from under our noses) so at the moment the plans are on hold and I may not need to go "rack" in the end. I must say thought that my questions brought up a huge amount of debate and reintroduced me to a few people I'd lost touch with, so it certainly wasn't a waste of effort. All the best, John
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:50:41 -0000 From: "William Van Lenten" Subject: Re: Next Loco?? Speaking of fuel prices, I just equiped one of our diesel types, (gasoline) with a Hydrogen generator, to run on water.. after a complete day of running, we used just 4 1/2 liters of water, and NO Petrol, (gasoline)..... The NEW WAVE of running for FREE... Bill..
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:10:39 +1300 From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Re: Next Loco?? Love to know more about how you did this! Chris Draper Winter Creek Railway Auckland New Zealand
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:15:37 -0500 From: Arno Martens Subject: Re: RE: 7.25" gauge rack locos and railways John, I am sorry you didn't get the bid. I know it isn't a good feeling if someone with deeper pocket gets _your_ property. On the other hand, it may just be for the best and you may end up with a property that allows for regular rail service. I whole heartedly agree with you on the bit of "reintroduction". I did appreciated your pages, Having grown up in Hamburg, and the URL's were hidden amongst the 2000+ bookmarks. I wish you well. Arno
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:12:59 -0000 From: "William Van Lenten" Subject: Hyrdrogen Fuels Chris, Go to YouTube, and type in hydrogen fuel, or generator, and follow all the links for videos on the subjet. You will learn so much, you can build your own. This is a great idea, and you can put one in your auto, to get better fuel milage. I did. Bill
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 07:54:12 +1300 From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Hyrdrogen Fuels I know a little about the subject - but would love to see a picture of how you did it for the locomotive Chris Draper Winter Creek Railway Auckland
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:17:14 -0000 From: "John Oxlade" Subject: Tinkerbell Can you still get drawings and castings for Tinkerbell? (Sorry if this come out twice, my PC bombed-out when I hit post the 1st time round) Thanks, John
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:37:03 -0000 From: "Peter Beevers" Subject: Re: Tinkerbell Yes, from Chris Fincken. His website was www.miniaturerailway.com, but it's been offline for quite a while now. I could look up his phone number/address if you wish. Regards, Peter
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:38:16 +1300 From: "John Oxlade" Subject: Re: Tinkerbell Or his email address would be good. I am in New Zealand. New Zealand Thanks, John
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:42:48 +1300 From: "John Oxlade" Subject: Re: Tinkerbell I just did a search for "Chris Fincken" and found this: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=639388 Which is not very encouraging.
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:45:49 -0000 From: "derekwmoss" Subject: Re: Tinkerbell hi there you can get drawings from mr finken if he will part with them. he told me to ring back in three months when i asked so best of luck. i dont know about castings you may try finken though. thanks derek!!!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:08:56 -0800 From: "nathan proudfoot" Subject: Re: Re: Tinkerbell first of all I sit in the shadows but I am learning a lot about steam engines from this list. if I may help with this search. His web site was last updated on February, 14 2007 and can be found here in the internet archives. http://web.archive.org/web/20070214193840/http://www.miniaturerailway.com/ The email listed for fincken miniature railways is: finckens@aol.com -Natfoot
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:18:57 -0000 From: "georgehoke1927" Subject: Hydrostatic lubricators Does anyone know the relative merits of two different ways of connecting hydrostatic lubricators? I have one on my Moodie Braun single cylinder feedwater pump. According to Moodie's design it is installed in the steam line feeding the pump. All the steam to the pump goes to thru the lubricator. I have also seen several photos of the lubricators mounted what I would call side arm, mounted a half inch off to the side of the steam lime on the outlet of a tee. The steam to the pump does thru the run of the tee. My lubricator has a #80 drilled hole for oil feed and it seems to feed too much oil. My gut feel is that the lubricator gets too hot when installed in line, and that it might feed less in a side arm installation.
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:16:12 -0600 From: "Bill Laird" Subject: Re: Hydrostatic lubricators I have two hydrostatic lubricators on my steam engine; a very large one on the steam line to the cylinders and a small one mounted close to the feedwater pump. Both are installed with a "T" off the side of the steam line. They both work properley. Bill Laird Canyon Lake, Texas
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:33:38 -0000 From: "John Oxlade" Subject: Weymouth, Crystal Palace and Garratts I am on a quest for information on a few miniature railways and wonder if anyone can help? Does anyone have any info or photos of the 10.25" line around Radipole Lake at Weymouth? How about the stillborn 7.25" gauge line at Crystal Palace in the early 1980s? Or any photos of the two East African Railway 7.25" gauge Garratts that Milner Engineering built in 1975? The information I have so far I have compiled on this page on my website but I'd love to expand it, especially Weymouth: http://www.worldrailfans.info/7.25inch/origins.shtml (to be uploaded when I get home later, it isn't there at the moment) Many thanks, John
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2008 From: Kevin Doe Subject: K DOE'S 453 First Run Day for the Engine by the moderator: The proud builder and engineer
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:53:48 +1300 From: Grant & Donna Alexander Subject: Re: Tinkerbell John, I too am in New Zealand, a friend of mine is currently building a Tinkerbell about 20km from where I live, and another friend of mine whos currently visiting us from the UK has just completed three (yes three) Tink's. Contact me back offline if you want to make further contact. Grant Alexander Squirrel Valley Railway Cambridge New Zealand.
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:46:16 +0200 From: "Hannes Paling" Subject: Whistle Hi All Any one in the group that has a drawing for a good loud whistle that he would be willing to share. My Avonside 2065 is nearing completion and should be steamed soon, just want to make sure it can be heard when needed. Thanks Hannes
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:04:19 -0000 From: "fred veenschoten" Subject: Re: Whistle Rich Dean's web page has a download of whistle plans. see: http://cmsteamer.homestead.com/ fred v
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:41:54 -0500 From: Rich Dean Subject: Re: Whistle Hannes, my friend Fred in Pensacola, Florida, safe from all this nasty snow fall in Atlanta is almost right. I have a drawing that can be scaled up to what you need. It's a model of a Buckeye type. That is, there is a top cap and acorn finial nut. It's free for the asking. I'll send you the files. RichD
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:30:38 +0200 From: "Hannes Paling" Subject: Re: Whistle Thanks Rich will give it a try Hannes
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:51:00 -0800 (PST) From: Enginemen Subject: Re: Whistle Mr. Rich Dean I live in Louisville KY and also interested in your buckeye steam whistle drawing could you fwd it as well? Thank You. D.Shepherd Louisville KY.
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:10:04 -0000 From: "William Van Lenten" Subject: Re: Whistle Check with Rizzoli Locomotive Works. They make all kinds of whistles for 1 1/2 thru 5 inch scales. They also have a sound page, so you can hear the differnt pitches. I bought two from them and are very happy. They are very nice people to deal with. Bill
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:59:49 -0700 From: Chuck Subject: Re: Whistle Here is a simple to make design on my site: http://www.trainweb.org/riverview/whistle.html Chuck
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:19:52 -0000 From: "rghtathome" Subject: Looking for 7.25 or 7.5 battery electric or gas hydraulic - For Sale Looking for 7.25 or 7.5 battery electric or gas hydraulic - For Sale Prefer a Narrow Gauge style... If you know anyone looking to sell please put them in touch with me: Chris Sylvester Taunton, MA 508-386-2570 OR EMAIL... Thanks
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:37:26 -0000 From: "William Van Lenten" Subject: Re: Looking for 7.25 or 7.5 battery electric or gas hydraulic - For Sale Check on www. discoverlivesteam.com You will find all kinds of stuff on the for sale pages. Bill
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:05:50 EST From: rghtathome@aol.com Subject: Re: Looking for 7.25 or 7.5 battery electric or gas hydraulic - For Sale Len I appreciate you sending me in the direction of Discover LS I am hoping to not spend over 5 to 6K for a diesel look alike... I only have a restricted budget to work with as my wife was gracious enough to allow other funds to be used to build a back yard track... Conceivably I can get 8K for a reasonable steamer... Talk Soon Chris
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:12:41 -0800 (PST) From: James Keeline Subject: Re: Looking for 7.25 or 7.5 battery electric or gas hydraulic - For Sale Although not technically a narrow gauge prototype, the electric locomotive from http://www.RealTrains.com has served us well for about two years now. We got it plus a 5' riding car for less than $3500. The choice of options and delivery charge (if Riverside, CA is beyond your driving distance) will alter the figure. You have to get the group-27 deep-cycle marine battery locally, of course. James Keeline San Diego, CA

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