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7-Plus-NGM Digest June 2008
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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:45:08 -0000
From: "David"
Subject: New public internet forum at ; NG "Talk"
Members,
There is a new forum that will host postings and discussions for those of us searching and collecting the blueprints that we need for our narrow gauge equipment projects, its at
Narrow Gauge "Talk" at;
http://www.narrowgaugetalk.com/index.php
Our section is called "Narrow Gauge Blueprints"
I have posted a couple of topics already, one of the D&RGW K-36 and one looking for the D&RGW #315 drawings. Please post what you are looking for there also. This is only for posting and discussions about the Original Drawings by Badlwin, ALCO, PORTER, etc and the RR's that have redrawn some of those original drawings, we can not trade or spend time on reprints or drawings with living authors that still want to get paid for their publishing.
Please use the forum and do not be afraid to start conversations and topics with others on the forum in your search for the real blueprints for your projects
Its not called Narrow Gauge "Talk" for nothing!
Best Regards
David
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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 06:20:15 -0000
From: "Russ"
Subject: Battery Powered Steamer
Hi gang,
Just to let ya' know I've started a new group for the battery powered steamer from The Great American Train Company.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TGATC
I just got mine last week so it only has a little time on it but it's really a very solid product. Very well engineered. Thanks for listening.
Russ
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Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 06:24:48 -0000
From: "edgarcorny"
Subject: Re: Any advice/recommendations on tunnel and bridge building?
Hi,
It is my understanding that Doug had a system crash caused by a power outage and lost the most recent copy of the manuscript. He needs to back up a little more often ;P
Ralph has provided a good copy of the latest text so that was not lost.
However, the latest CPP code that the text references was also lost. There are older versions with errors in them. This might cause the delay in publishing CEv2. Every attempt will be made to get it out by the end of the year, but if the formating of the output differs from the format in the manuscript, the manuscript will need to be altered.
Doug says "Sorry about that chief".
EC
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:27:14 -0400
From: "Pat Turner"
Subject: Track Screws For Sale
Going to several lists here with this email, pardon if you get it more than once.
I have a good stock of #8 X 1-1/16" phillips pan head ring washer black oxide coated screws for sale in boxes of 8,000 for $120.00 a box. That is 1 1/2 cent each. 1,000 screws weighs about 5 lbs.
RMI, Roll Models lists their #TS-1B coated screws at: .06 cents each or $300.00 for a box of 5,000. - $480.00 for 8,000 screws. Ours are very similar, but black coated!
Cannoball Ltd. lists their #26905 screws at: 2.7 cents each or $27.00 for a box of 1,000. - $216.00 for 8,000 screws. These are not coated like ours. Again ours are very similar, but black coated!
Pat Turner, 423-462-2228
http://www.TurnerModelWorks.com
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Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 03:20:12 -0000
From: "John Oxlade"
Subject: Any miniature railways near Tapuo NZ??
My wife and I are visiting Taupo this coming weekend and I was wondering if there was any miniature railway activity in the area?
Thanks,
John
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:57:11 -0000
From: "edgarcorny"
Subject: Re: Any advice/recommendations on tunnel and bridge building?
Hi,
I just talked with Doug on CEv2. He got his last computer on-line and was able to find the latest copies of his programs. There were some miss-spellings in the programs that had to be corrected and one format change, but he thinks that the manuscript and the programs might be ready for submittal to the publisher soon.
He says thanks to Ralph Reece and Terry Miller for proof reading the manuscript and providing corrections and clarifications many of which have been accepted into the manuscript.
This text is over 58,000 words.
EC
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:10:35 -0000
From: "edgarcorny"
Subject: backyard railroads and government regulations
Posted on RYPN
Story shamelessly lifted from TrainOrders.com on a backyard mini-gauge RR in Lane County, Oregon:
Backyard railroad's website:
http://www.peak.org/~kmr3/M&LKRailroad/
Newspaper article on bureaucrats' responses:
http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/dt.cms.support.viewStory.cls?cid=105461&sid=4&fid=1
Hi,
In response to this sort of item happening for modelers, I have been considering adding a Volume 3 to my Civil Engineering for Outdoor Railroads series and cover several items that might help the novice know what to look for zoning requirements and so forth. The same things would also be of concern for railroad museums and other historical preservation groups.
If you are interested in this topic, please let me know.
Thanks.
Doug
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:09:13 -0700
From: "Steve Hughes"
Subject: Re: backyard railroads and government regulations
Doug, unfortunately the person building the backyard railroad, as well as museums with prototype railroads, frequently encounter difficulties with zoning & building requirements. My local Northwest Railway Museum had construction of our Conservation & Restoration Center delayed over two years with permitting and inspection difficulties. Fortunately we had the funds & consultants to complete this expensive, complicated task. Unfortunately the average home railroader doesn't have such resources. So we either skip the permits & try to seek by or we just give up & don't build anything at all. One wonders if the Colorado NG RRs could have ever been built if they had such onerous restrictions in the 1800s. The Silver Act would have been repealed before the RR's could have completed the necessary construction permits.
So yes I think a Volume 3 would be helpful. And may I complement you on Volume 1!
Steve
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:36:35 -0700
From: "Dave C"
Subject: RE: backyard railroads and government regulations
Doug
We just finished a five year plan and added just under a mile of track that crosses two salmon streams five times, goes through a wetland and along the side of one of the salmon streams for about 450 or more feet. To add insult to injury the property we are on is multi use park land (Got to keep the city folks happy) and in the ALR (Agricultural Land Reserve).
I think the difference is that we came in from the back not the front in that we got all the parties on side before we lifted a single shovel of dirt.
If we had just built the thing then had to placate half a dozen pissed off silly servants we too would be in hot water.
All along the way we consulted with the interested parties and asked for their input and gave them more than they asked each and every time. In fact when a couple of the parties found out what it was all about they were very helpful and even dropped off copies of little known loopholes in the law to help.
Sometimes permits took a while and some things like the bridge abutments could only be put in during a few week window when the salmon fry were gone to sea and the fall salmon run had not yet started.
Two examples come to mind.
One is our twenty foot culvert that is seven feet in diameter. The fisheries department told us that no equipment with petro based hydraulic systems could be near the stream. After they denied our use of power
equipment we asked if they would mind if we then just dug the damn thing by hand. Kind of surprised by the question they literally said "fill your boots" if you want to dig that by hand. So we did. One fella did the entire
thing by himself in just a couple of weeks.
Two, the fisheries folks were concerned about silt washing into the stream from the side hill construction so they wanted straw berms to stop the silting. We gave them two of the things just to be safe.
If you play by the rules and go out of your way to please everyone that holds the permits what can they say but yes.
We are finished now and in hindsight it wasn't all that bad.
Dave C.
President Vancouver Island Model Engineers
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:35:43 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Culverts
And the fellow who dug that hole was who?
Yup Steve V and wont even try to spell that last name too many letters even if it has been redone.
Talked to him about that at Train Mountain a few weeks ago. He and John also redid the full scale passenger car at TM a few years ago, they used to come down and lay track with me,quite a few miles over the years.
Oh yes and by the way the liquid refreshments he brought down were very well received too, love that beer from north of the border.
Boyd, down here in Washington state on the right side but with all of the rain these days.
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:59:49 -0700
From: "Dave C"
Subject: RE: Culverts
Boyd
No kidding about Steve VADEBONCOEUR. We nearly had a fit when he moved up island to be nearer his family. He is called the 'Mexican dragline' around here. He is still a full member and shows up often we truly miss his weekly presence. Full of knowledge and the one here who coined the phrase "he who holds the paintbrush picks the color".
He was hovering near the 70 old mark when he dug the culvert into place. He had recently had heart work done so he was just 'taking it easy' and wanted to dig the hole on his own time frame. The hole was nearly half the size of a one car garage.
It would have probably killed a 30 year old.
Dave C.
President Vancouver Island Model Engineers
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:10:45 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"
Subject: Steve
Yes I do remember as he had a little trouble at one of our meets and we all worried about him until we found out several days later that he was OK. He was and still is a very hard worker who I cannot keep up with.
Now that John Yardley, he needs to come south more often as don't see enough of him.
One day I will get up your way and see the layout I want to tour your Island also and see the logging RR up north.
Have fun railroad hard work easy, Boyd
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:49:40 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"
Subject: AV&W Website Updated
The Annetta Valley &Western RR website has been updated to add photos from the spring meet.
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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:39:03 -0000
From: "John Oxlade"
Subject: Loco insurance in New Zealand
Do any of our New Zealand contingent have any recommendations on who will insure locos? I asked ASB (who do all my other insurance) and they won't. I'd like cover for in-use, in-storage and in-transit.
Many thanks,
John
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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:55:15 +1200
From: "Chris"
Subject: RE: Loco insurance in New Zealand
Hi John - I don't, but would be very interested in locating someone who will insure my shed incl visiting locos.
Will make enquiries and let you know and if you do the same we should come up with something between us
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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:22:10 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: Re: Steve
Boyd,
If you ever do get up here we have a place for you to stay and we have a hundred year old full size steam train to play on. I'll buy you that hamburger I owe you at the local J & L Drive In (best hamburgs on the Island) after we do the steam train and steam powered sawmill tour.
Regards Dennis
Way out here in Port Alberni BC, Canada. Eh!
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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:00:06 -0000
From: "edgarcorny"
Subject: tunnels
Hi,
Doug vV has informed me that the manuscript for "Civil Engineering for Outdoor Railroads Volume 2 Bridges" has been submitted to the publisher.
He is interested in anyone who is planning a tunnel. He wishes to design one for free (of course) and then use the tale of ist construction in "Civil Engineering for Outdoor Railroads Volume 3 Tunnels and Grade Crossings". Since there might be several people who desire tunnels, a few could be done together.
If youy are interested, let me know and I'll forward the information to Doug.
Edgar Corny
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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:12:12 -0400
From: Ralph Reese
Subject: RE: tunnels
Long term plans at Northeast Florida Live Steamers include a tunnel, and we are reasonably close to Doug, being just south of Jacksonville, FL
Ralph Reese
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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:42:45 -0500
From: BusBarn@Prodigy.net
Subject: RE: tunnels
Ralph, we are having one heck of tornado season here in Kansas, so I'm planning on using this construction method for my tunnel which will double as a tornado shelter;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrocement
It may be labor intensive but with volunteer help it could be cheaper to build and last longer than wood or even steel. Plus it would look and flow more natural than a steel tank or square cast concrete.
This is how the amusement parks build their scenery. This is also how in ground swimming pools are built. When I build my tunnel I will add a short side tunnel/room which will connect to my house.
Rick Taylor
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:00:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bruce"
Subject: Re: tunnels
I have a short section of cut where the retaining walls (dry stacked stone)are a bit of a problem. They are about 6 feet high and the cut is narrow at that point. The area has a tree on either side (the reason that the cut is narrow there) and the walls are pushing inward causing the track path to be quite narrow at the base of the walls. I am considering a short tunnel (about 10 or 12 feet in length) to do away with the walls.
The tunnel would have to have some strength at the base to retain the pressure of the clay/silt soil as well as have a good external drainage system to prevent ice pressure from pushing in at the base of the tunnel wall.
Bruce Mowbray
Springville, PA
http://www.geocities.com/trainhead391/
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:24:31 -0000
From: "Frolin Marek"
Subject: Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake - website update
Have you been to the Sandy Ridge site lately?
http://www.srclry.com
The web-site features the Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake Railway, the 1/3 scale, Two Foot narrow gauge based, working railroad in Michigan?
There has been lots of stuff happening on the web-site since late January...
| - | The website is now hosted on a new platform and location, but use the same domain name above to get there. If you have the old 'comcast' link, toss it and replace with above. |
| - | Lots of new pictures have been added. Including several Extras run this year, plowing snow, the Railbus and Coach Barn being built. |
| - | A slideshow feature has been added to the newer pictures. Now you can leave your moust on the 'next page' button and scroll through the pictures. |
| - | Back pictures from 2006 and 2007 are being added, working back slowly to the last pictures added in 2005, on the site. |
| - | A new, revised, Route Plan is loaded showing some changes in trackage and a new branch line. |
| - | Lots more wording to read on the main page about the railroad and equipment.
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I could go on and one making up stuff to stay about the improved and revised SR&CL Rlwy site, since I took it on at the end of January, but think you would prefer seeing the pictures than readying my BS.
So when you have a few minutes, I would like to invite folks to drop by the moved, expanding, and refreshed web-site for the Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake Railway.
Some pages look similar because I wanted to bring over and get loaded, what you saw before, and slowly transistion to new stuff and different format. Well, its been months and there is new stuff to see again this week!
Much thanks to Tom Casper for working with me and providing me pictures and helping with the captions. Hats off to all the years past work from John K, who started the site and now has more time to build stuff for the railroad instead of playing with the PC.
Not sure about Waltons Mountain... but there sure is stuff happening on the Sandy Ridge! Come See ! ! !
Frolin Marek
new web-master
http://www.srclry.com
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:49:33 -0500
From: BusBarn@Prodigy.net
Subject: Re: Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake - website update
Frolin, thanks for taking on the SRCL website, I sure enjoy revisiting the RR if only by proxy. Looks like they continue to upgrade and add. Riding that RR is very inspiring, hopefully a few more narrow gauge RR's will spring up because of it. Looking forward to making the trip north again, hopefully Tom will have his Prairie
on the tracks. Thanks again for updating the site, I had just about worn out the old pictures.
Rick Taylor
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:43:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Raymond Hill
Subject: Re: Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake - website update
Frolin ,
The Railbus 3 looks interesting, any more info, pictures, plans, measurements available?
Ray Hill
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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:52:19 -0000
From: "tpngrr"
Subject: Wendy cylinder castings
If anyone knows where Wendy cylinder castings (MEG Steam) can be had please advise.
Linn
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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:39:08 -0700
From: "Dave C"
Subject: RE: Wendy cylinder castings
Linn
The original castings were done just up the road here on the island at
Wellington Foundry Ltd
They have a casting set that is cylinder, D-valve, valve chest and cover.
For obvious reasons they are not exactly the same as the Hubners patterns but are as close as can be made.
The price I was quoted on the set 14 months ago was $200 per set or $400 per pair.
The person that gave me the quote was Randy Longmuir.
Phone 250-248-0225
Fax 250-248-0270
They also have a rather nice four piece set of castings for a narrow gauge 2.5" truck at $125 per truck consisting of a pair of side frames, bolster and spring plank. (also a 14 month old quote) Cast iron and tough as nails.
Have a look at
http://wellingtonfoundry.com/model_trains.htm
Dave C.
President Vancouver Island Model Engineers
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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:23:34 -0500
From: "Linn"
Subject: Re: Wendy cylinder castings
Dave,
Thanks for the assist. I really appreciate it.
Linn
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