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7-Plus-NGM Digest August 2008
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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:55:40 -0000
From: "hrcoleman3"
Subject: Backyard Railroad Info....
I am planning on putting in a 1/5th scale railroad that will be 7 1/4 gauge in my backyard on the 3 acres that I own. I have already planned out the path that it will travel. This question goes out to anyone else that has already put in a railroad in their backyard. Did you need any special permits before you started clearing the land or laying the track? Should I look into my local zoning board? Neighbors won't be an issue since the closest neighbor is over 300 yards away and the railroad will be set back behind my house. I just want to cover my bases before I run into any problems. Any help or heads up on any issues would be appreciated. Thanks to all that can be of help...
Henry Coleman
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:09:36 -0400
From: rghtathome@aol.com
Subject: Re: Backyard Railroad Info....
Henry
Where are you located?
I was going to build a 24" gauge back yard railroad.....But due to costs I have settled on 7-1/4" gauge...
I went to the local zoning board and the only question was is it for personal use or commercial.
As long as I don't charge for rides....I don't need any sort of approval;
But What I did request is a letter stating just that to cover myself in the case something came up....
I too have great neighbors....All anticipate the pike going in.
Best Regards
Chris
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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:57:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: MERLE MILLER
Subject: Re: Backyard Railroad Info....
Henry:
If you use rail panels that rest on the ground (or pavement) there is much less chance they will (or can) tax you, ... or give you a hard time!
Don't get carried away with a huge layout with bridges, towers, etc.
That way it is portable also, in case you want to play elsewhere.
If possible, put equipment (not rail) away at night and when not in use, and you are in the clear for vandalism, etc.
My rails are 12" and 14" ga., and this has worked for me, and I am in town, with neighbors on all sides.
Give everyone that asks, a free ride, especially neighbors. Maybe set a convienient time schedule, if it gets to be a bother.
I offered to put a train in a local park here and pay for everything, but the City Fathers and the Park Board were sure I had some "angle" to make a fortune, and turned me down. So I keep everything at home, and have less worries. Their loss!
Merle.
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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:18:36 -0000
From: "William Van Lenten"
Subject: Re: Backyard Railroad Info....
Henry, I live in Florida, and have had the same problems a fellow in Oregon had. He is into 18" gauge and I in 7 1/2".
The first thing the county asked, did I get a special use permit??
Then they checked my zoning. I am Ag-3, and so is he.
Then they told me I would have to have everything engineered at a cost of $9,000 DOLLARS... Now these are the new rules as of 2006.
We have had our club in force since 1994, and were able to get grandfathered in.
Now we tell the county to piss off.
We don't have inspections or certifications for hobby boilers in our state, but they wanted all boilers to be inspected. After the grandfathering, we don't need them.
So when starting a new railroad, private or club, be sure to check every thing.
Bill
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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:21:47 -0000
From: "fred veenschoten"
Subject: Re: Backyard Railroad Info....
a guy in Mi. has had a real nightmare with this. his is a private track but a couple of neighbors have complained about noise and RV's coming in for meets. he has been sued and had numerous hearing trying
to settle everything.
fred v
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:37:47 -0000
From: "georgehoke1927"
Subject: Gondola Materials
Does anyone know of a "live" source of cast or pressed ends for a 1 1/2" scale gondola?
How about 1/2" steel tee or formed ribs for the sides?
George Hoke
Bellevue, WA
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:25:31 -0000
From: "Gerd Ziller"
Subject: Building 6 pairs of disconnects
Hello large scalers,
I'll show you some photos of my actual work -> 6 pairs of wooden disconnects. The design represents early Madera Sugar Pine Railroad disconnects, I've seen in an issue of the Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette. The log bunks are sill missing, also the coverplate for the typical pedestals.
All parts except of the wheelsets are scratch build, including couplers and pedestals. Each disconnect (btw 2"-scale, running on 5" tracks) is 15" long with a wheelbase of 6,25". Each pair will be spaced to an overall length of approx 4', representing a 24' prototype, by using a draw bar.
The log bunks, shown in the drawing, are equiped with moveable log chucks, hold in place by a bolt like it has been on the prototype.
I'm also thinking about some 4-wheeled fright cars like boxcars or gondolas, using this disconnects as trucks. But at first, I've to finish some other projects.
Take a look in my photo album (page 2) and feel free so comment my work:
Drawing for MSP-Disconnects
Madera Sugar Pine type disconnects.
Parts for a disconnect
parts for the couplers
First disconnect assembled
3 of 12 disconnects are finished
12 disconnects piled up
A pair of disconnects, loaded with logs
I'll add more detailed photos and describing words to my website later, when the project is finished.
Regards, Gerd
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:32:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Erhart
Subject: Re: Building 6 pairs of disconnects
Gerd,
You are inspiring me to get out of my armchair ... this looks like a great winter project for me. One question, the link & pin couplers ... are these a casting, or did you fabricate them.
Thanks for sharing.
George Erhart
Loveland, CO
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:35:33 +0000
From: Roy Stevens
Subject: RE: Gondola Materials
I dunno what you mean about "live" but Mountain Car, Cannonball, and my favorite; Precision Steel Car all carry gondola ends and I've always had good experience with each of these suppliers. You can find links to them by Google, discoverlivesteam.com or Father Flannigans.
Roy Stevens
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:10:42 -0000
From: "Gerd Ziller"
Subject: Re: Building 6 pairs of disconnects
Hello George,
the couplers are made from stock material. A piece of flatbar is used for the mounting plate. The coupler body is a piece of rectangular pipe, welded to the mounting plate inside the pipe on each side. The ring for the coupler mouth is lasercut out of 2mm steel sheet, pressed in form and soft soldered to the coupler body
after welding. I posted a picture of the parts to my folder.
I added also 2 more photos of the actual work status. We've been very busy yesterday, so all 12 cars are neraly done and we even started with the log bunks.
Regardy, Gerd
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:50:30 -0700
From: "Donald Deffley"
Subject: RE: Gondola Materials
George
I have some (T) that we used on the sides to make the steel gondolas for KLS.
Don
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:54:48 -0000
From: "Gerd Ziller"
Subject: Re: Building 6 pairs of disconnects
Hello again,
this morning, I've finished the last log cars, so all 6 pairs are ready for the rough service in the tall timber of the Bear Creek area.
I posted 5 new pics of the cars/string with and without loads to the photo section.
String_1
String_2
String_3
String_4
String_5
I hope you enjoy my work. If you do so, stay tuned for a new logging caboose coming next.
Gerd
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:12:16 -0000
From: "rghtathome"
Subject: Wanted: Side Dump cars
I am looking to see if anyone out there would be willing to sell me a side dump car like the ones RMI produces or something in the like.
Thanks
Chris
PS For 7-1/2 or 7-1/4 gauge.
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:29:58 -0000
From: "Gerd Ziller"
Subject: Re: Wanted: Side Dump cars
Dear Chris,
some years ago, I was also interested in side dump cars for my old european railroad. By searching the net, I found a prototype, totaly build out of wood. The manufacturer was "Dolberg" in Germany and one of this cars still exists in Saxonia (Leipzig).
I've build two of those little cars for 5" gauge on only one weekend.
When you're interested, you'll found a small building report on my website (sorry, only in German at the moment, but I can translate it when you're interested).
http://www.gerds-modellbahn.de/BCRR/Anleitungen/Dolberg_de.pdf
These cars are not exactly the RMI-model... But building your own cars is fun too and you can be proud of your work ;-)
Warmly, Gerd
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:28:10 +1200
From: "Chris"
Subject: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Hi all - A friend of mine is seeking plans and information about the 2ft gauge Baldwin locomotives used during the 1st world war as he wants to build one.
Any leads greatly appreciated.
Chris Draper
Winter Creek Railway
Auckland, New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:32:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry McCarthy
Subject: Re: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Chris,
I am sure ther are others on various list you can count on. One I know may have some leads is Rick, his email is busbarn@prodigy.net
Mac
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:22:20 -0600
From: Terry Miller
Subject: Re: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Chris,
Your friend might want to look on Google Books. There is a FREE book on Baldwin Narrow Gauge Locomotive History. Download the entire book for FREE or read it on line. There are several good books there for FREE.
Good Luck,
Terry
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:28:51 +1200
From: "John Oxlade"
Subject: Re: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Terry,
Faster than a nugget of coal from a polished shovel I was off to have a look. I can see numerous short reviews, but exactly what should I be looking for to get the whole text? Should I type in the magic word "FREE"?
Thanks,
John
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:34:11 +1200
From: "Chris"
Subject: RE: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Hi Terry, I cant access any books this way because Google is rather conservative in which countries they allow to access this service.
How big is the book - could it be emailed?
Chris Draper
Winter Creek Railway
Auckland, New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:53:06 -0600
From: Terry Miller
Subject: Re: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
John and Chris,
When I searched, I typed in Baldwin Locomotive and kept going down the list until I found one that had "Full View" in the bottom left corner. That means you have the whole book to read or download. There are several so you can have your pick. All the books do not have full view so you have to find one that meets your needs or wants.
Chris,
Sorry to hear you don't get full access to Google there. I thought Google would be the same everywhere when it came to "unclassified" subject matter. I don't see why they would restrict railroad history, but then again, I don't work for Google.
Good Luck,
Terry
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:57:41 +1200
From: "John Oxlade"
Subject: Re: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
I have found one on the Pennsy for free, so I'll just keep looking.
I don't know why Chris can't see it either, we're both in New Zealand and it works fine for me.
Thanks,
John
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:08:43 +1200
From: "John Oxlade"
Subject: Re: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Terry,
I did a search for "baldwin locomotive" with the option "Full view only" and didn't find anything of relevance. Could you download and email to myself and Chris?
Thanks,
John
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:15:07 +1200
From: "Chris"
Subject: RE: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
I can see the list but get no books with full view beside them
Chris Draper
Winter Creek Railway
Auckland, New Zealand
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:24:10 +1200
From: "Chris"
Subject: RE: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Terry, John et al,
The books are on google and can be downloaded - IF you reside in a country that Google deems allows Copyright to expire as it does in the USA after so many years. Google excludes New Zealand and a many other countries because our law does not state this very clearly.
This is why some can see full copies of some books and others can not.
Chris Draper
Winter Creek Railway
Auckland, New Zealand
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:24:23 -0400
From: SZuiderveen@aol.com
Subject: Re:WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Chirs,
I am quite interested in this locomotive also and have done a fair amount of research.
The best book on the subject is Narrow Gauge to No Man's Land by Richard Dunn (Benchmark, 1990)? Long out of print and now in the realm of stupid dollars on the internet book sellers lists.? I recently found one for only $70 at the request of a major railroad museum's library, but those other guys want $250 and up.? This book has the author's drawings, plus drawings of theVulcan Iron Works cousin.
From? March to October 1936 The Model Craftsman magazine (USA) published a design by Graham Anderson for a 2 1/2" gage version of this locomotive.? I can say with some confidence that his design was based upon having the original Baldwin erection side and sectional drawings (I wish I had the sections,see below).? The reason I say this is that items (mistakes) on the erection drawings are not on the actual locomotives but are in his design.? I think it is a safe bet that he never actually built the locomotive.
I have a copy of the side erection drawing, Baldwin No. 9245, that I have painstakingly electronically cleaned and despeckled.? If any of you in list-land know where the companion drawing with the sections can be gotten, please let me know.
Lastly, I visited a Davenport near sister (same drawings, but modified?to external?steam delivery pipes to the steam chests) on display at Ft. Benning GA a couple of years ago and have about ten loose leaf pages of field notes and about forty photos.? That is?as far as I have gotten?so far, except I have drawn out main frames for possible waterjet or flame cutting.
Steve Zuiderveen
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:22:38 -0400
From: "The Milbournes"
Subject: RE: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
http://books.google.com/books?id=PxlMAAAAMAAJ
Is this the one you're talking about? This is dated 1900 so wouldn't cover the WWI two-footer trench locos I didnt' find anything newer after a brief search.
If you can find it again, please copy/paste the link into a message so others can get to it easily.
Thanks,
Mark
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:27 +1200
From: "John Oxlade"
Subject: Re: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
And I still cannot see how to download it here in NZ. I can see the summary and it looks good, but that's about it :-(
John
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:42:17 -0600
From: Terry Miller
Subject: Re: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
That's the one: Illustrated Catalogue of Narrow Gauge Locomotives.
There are other Baldwin History books there but I haven't found one that covers WW1 yet.
Good Luck,
Terry
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:49:34 +1200
From: "Chris"
Subject: RE: Re:WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Ive passed this and the other emails onto Peter, and he says he wants to compose a message to thank you all for your help. I will post this when I receive it.
Thanks everyone!
Chris Draper
Winter Creek Railway
Auckland, New Zealand
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:39:32 -0400
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Maybe one of our US brethren could upload it to www.filefactory.com and notify us about its location.
Cheers,
Arno
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Haskey
Subject: RE: Re:WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Book that the NZ'ers are talking about:
http://haskey.com/johnh/icngl.pdf
(small pipe, please don't all jump in at once)
john.
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:39:01 -0600
From: Terry Miller
Subject: FREE Track Manuals
Hello All,
OK, here are some FREEBIES. Those of you planning on building a railroad or those of you trying to maintain a railroad, might want to take a look at these free manuals. They are Tech Manuals for the US Military and have some great info in them. Of course there is quite a bit of miscellaneous BS also but all in all they are a great resource.
The first: Maintenance of Trackage
http://www.usace.army.mil/publications/armytm/tm5-627/toc.pdf
The second: Railroad Track Standards
http://www.army.mil/usapa/eng/DR_pubs/dr_a/pdf/tm5_628.pdf
The third: Engineering and Design Railroads Mobilization Construction
http://www.usace.army.mil/publications/eng-manuals/em1110-3-152/entire.pdf
All of these are in .pdf format and are quite long, easily downloaded, and lots of good info.
Enjoy,
Terry Miller
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:11:16 -0400
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Re:WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
Much appreciated, John.
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Thank you,
Arno
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:01:09 +1200
From: "Chris"
Subject: A BIG Thankyou
Hi all,
Peter has asked me to pass on his deepest gratitude for the responses to his request for information on the WW1 Baldwin locomotives.
If you keep an eye on his page on my Winter Creek website
( www.Wintercreek.net.nz) I am sure we will be posting some pictures of this locomotive real soon now. His current project - An Quarry Hunslet - will be complete in a matter of weeks and then he will be into the new project with gusto.
If any of you are ever in this neck of the world wide woods - please come for a visit and a drive of Alice or one of the other locomotives on shed.
Chris Draper
Winter Creek Railway
Auckland, New Zealand
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:01:35 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"
Subject: BCSME Train Fest August 8th-10th 2008 Pixs
I have just posted pixs taken at the BCSME 2008 Train Fest. A good time was had by all despite the overcast weather and sprinkles. BTW it was BCSME's 80th Anniversary.......
Check out these and much more at "Live
Steaming In The Pacific Northwest" , then the BCSME link.
"Live
Steaming In The Pacific Northwest"
ENJOY!
Dan Morris
C.S.S.& S.B. R.R.
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:31:45 -0000
From: "fred veenschoten"
Subject: Re: WW1 Baldwin Locomotives
go to the Ffestiniog Railway in Wales and look at Mountaineer.
google "ffestiniog railway mountaineer". you will get lots of good sites.
try here: http://www.wdlr.org.uk/WDLR/
fred v |
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