Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:35:04 -0000
From: "Gerd Ziller"
Subject: Decker style log loader is in service
Hello group,
yesterday, my log loader was set in service and I made new pics outside of the workshop for the first time. The loader works very well, but I've to train the handling. There's also a secound man needed to guid the log during loading operation.
There's also a new clip on YouTube.
At the moment, many boiler details and plumbing is still missing. As we have to set up our track layout for the big live steam indoor show in January, I've to finish my turnouts and switchstands. There are also many other things to do. I hope to get some details to the boiler later this month, or in eraly January.
I hope you enjoy my log loader.
best regards Gerd
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:35:36 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd Butler"
Subject: Log Loader
Great work looks nice wish that you were closer as we could use another logging site at Train Mountain. We have a high line loader site at least that is what I think that Ron Young calls it. Just down the road well up the road from Train Mountain there is a full scale one like yours on display at the logging museum now I understand how one works after looking at that one.
Boyd from eastern Washington where its dry and cold.
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:16:01 EST
From: douglasandcj@aol.com
Subject: Re: Decker style log loader is in service
That is a remarkable piece of equipment Gerd. Any plans to put a vertical boiler in the loader along with a dual windless? Not that it needs one but it's sure crying out to have one.
Douglas G. De Berg
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:22:50 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd Butler"
Subject: Loader
Thought that they were engine powered either gas or diesel. Don't know for sure but could someone tell me as its too far to drive and look at one in Oregon.
Boyd in Wa state on the right side
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:25:39 -0500
From: Robert W Herronen RWHERRON
Subject: Re: Decker style log loader is in service
You might do well to run it via a remote (electric or steam) so you do not need to be behind the machine to work. It would free you up to keep the logs straight.
Now if you could build one about 2 or 3 times larger, it would be handy on my railroad. My logs are on average 16 to 28" in diameter and 24" long. Of course they make the trip to the splitter and then on over to the wood stove... What I might look at getting is a skidder to pull the downed trees over to the railroad. Of course I could build a simple spar tree and get a winch... Then a second derrick to grab those loads and swing them over to the train... Make it easier on my back... Of course, setting up a spar tree would not be worth it for one tree - I'd have to cut several - something I usually do not do. Of course, my railroad's purpose is to haul firewood. And it really does a beauty of a job now that the bridge is in place. I can bring in loads and split them and haul them to the stove so easily now. And it gives a purpose to the railroad.
-Rob Herronen
Builder, RGSRRofNC
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:29:27 -0500
From: Ralph Reese
Subject: RE: Loader
Boyd,
How about steam powered. Link is winch with vertical boiler
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:22:20 -0000
From: "Gerd Ziller"
Subject: Re: Decker style log loader is in service
Hello Rob,
each medale will have two sides... also my log loader. As long as I have no own propperty to build my own railroad, the log loader will rest in the barn 360 days a year. That's the reason, why I chose a very simple drive system, that is resistent for a long time without use.
Your railroad sounds great. Building my own railroad line is one of my dreams.
Bye, Gerd
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:55:46 +1300
From: "Chris"
Subject: MLS Christmas Event at Winter Creek
Hi all,
The Manukau Live Steamers kindly paid a visit to Winter Creek on Saturday 6th December. We had a great old time and a wonderful Christmas dinner of Ham and Turkey followed by Christmas pud. Strange to have a winter meal at the beginning of our summer I know - but that's the way things are in this part of the world. If any of you are celebrating this season around your own railway/railroad - love to see some pix either directly or via the usual
groups.
Merry Christmas from all of us at the Winter Creek.
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:13:37 -0000
From: "robert"
Subject: Hey! new to the group
Looking for guys in DFW area, I have 14 acres and in planing stages located near Waxahachie, Texas a group would be nice. Very wooded large creek would be nice railroad area. I am also looking for frame details for one of the mudhens in Durango. Also for one of RGS 2-6-0 or 2-8-0 loco's.
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:40:39 +0000
From: Roy Stevens
Subject: RE: Hey! new to the group
Welcome to the group.
There aren't any mudhens in Durango. Of the two remaining the C&TS has one, the Huckleberry the other.
PL&E did kits for the #20, and I've seen quite a few C-16's running around, there are builders drawings and I'm sure someone has castings for those. I would contact the Colorado Railroad Museum in Golden for any available prints once you decide which locomotive you're going to build - if you're doing it from scratch.
Robert;
You will find C&S 2-6-0 and RGS C-19 2-8-0 castings at Ridgway Roundhouse Products. Paul Lavcot is the owner and has many other castings for the 2.5" hobby.
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:05:27 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"
Subject: Re: Hey! new to the group
Robert,
Welcome to the group.
I suggest you contact Terry McGrath. Terry is the owner of a very nice track just west of Ft. Worth, the Annetta Valley and Western Railroad. Many of the AV&W members model in 2 1/2" narrow gauge, the most of any group in Texas. Terry's contact information and more information on the AV&W may be found on their website www.avwrr.org
Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:06:17 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd Butler"
Subject: email's
Ok Ok now lets just have a nice Christmas season no reason to get all wound up over someone's oops we all have done something that didn't work out ok its not the end of the world.
On to railroading, does anyone have drawings for a Northern Pacific Caboose, the old wood kind? Ok so here was my oops, the interior of it please.
Also any pictures of an SW7 with the early lettering on it? This would be the one as delivered without the monad on the cab and no lettering on the long hood just NP and the number under it under the cab window.
Thanks and every one enjoy Christmas ever how you do.
Boyd up here in Wa state where its getting colder
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:10:56 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: new member
Well, here in Toronto we had it -1*C all day but yesterday, when we unloaded a trailer full of used rail for the 7-1/4" track at the Toronto Roundhouse Park (at the foot of the CB Tower) it was -9.
Tomorrow, when we will get a gang together to get it all into one of the bays, it is supposed to be -6.
Now, Hubert, I case you wondered about the "plus-NGM" content, there will be a Sweet Creek running at the end of May during Toronto Doors Open 2009 and this time it will not be on the portable track of one of the members. --
Cheers,
Arno
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:44:31 -0500
From: rghtathome@aol.com
Subject: Re: new member
Is that -6 Celsius or Farhenheit?
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:46:19 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: new member
Celsius.
Switching measurement designations to an antiquates system, without denoting it, within the same paragraph does not appear to be reasonable.
BTW, I don't know what you use for an eMail client but may I suggest you have a look under (maybe) Tools > Options to set the chevron ( > ) as a quoted text marker.
If there are several replies, it becomes difficult to attribute a section of the post to the actual poster.
--
Cheers,
Arno
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:51:40 -0000
From: "garrattguy"
Subject: Re: new member
As it turned out it was closer to -2C but the light breeze had a bite that felt like -10! Never mind, moving 20-odd thousand pounds of steel rail by hand warmed us up.
Re Arno's last paragraph: yes, especially when I top post a reply! (Which I like to do occasionally because Arno never fails to rise to the bait!)<VBG >
Some of the rail was marked "Virginia 8lb". Anyone know if "Virginia" means anything other than state of origin?
Cheers,
Michael Guy
Toronto.
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:04:38 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Re: new member
Just because it becomes annoying, your posts do not create attrubution problems as you have the "quoted text" chevron set properly.
Sorry, I won't be at the Roundhouse tomorrow.
Remember, I told it'll cost me spending all that time on Thursday waiting for the trucker.
--
Cheers,
Arno
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:06:22 -0000
From: "garrattguy"
Subject: Re: new member
Not to worry Arno, I don't need more than a couple of guys to help, we did the bulk of the work yesterday. I picked up a new hydraulic pipe bender from Princess late in the day and part of the effort today will be to decide what needs altering to make it a rail de-kinking tool.
Cheers,
Michael
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:34:51 -0800 (PST)
From: srcl24@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1886
Michael,
Where did you find all that 8lb rail? 10 TONS! WOW, We could use a truck load. If you have any left, send it down.
Tom C.
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:35:27 -0700
From: "Mike Decker"
Subject: RE: Re: new member
Hi Michael:
When we got on our train at Caballo mine yesterday morning, the mine thermometer said -16 (F), but with the Wyoming wind blowing about a hundred miles an hour it felt a lot colder when I went back to knock off the
handbrakes on the motors :>)
On the R&GN Ry. we had some "West Virginia" 12 pound A.S.C.E. rail. I have the catalog we had, and the "West Virginia" brand belonged to Midwest Steel Corp., Charleston, West Virginia. The plant was originally one of H. K. Porter's trackwork plants. Maybe your rail is West Virginia, with a weak roll stamp?
Best,
Mike Decker
Hot Springs, SD
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:55:44 -0000
From: "garrattguy"
Subject: Re: new member
Hi Mike,
That's pretty chilly for a place called "Hot Springs"!
Thanks for the info on rail, I will take a closer look at the stamp.
Cheers,
Michael Guy
Toronto (Where it is a wet +8C heading to -8C tonight, going to be a skating rink tomorrow.)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:06:12 -0000
From: "garrattguy"
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1886
Tom,
Would you believe a scrap yard called us? We just might have some left, call me in the summer. What we have is a mix of 1-1/2" and 2" high FB.
Cheers,
Michael.
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:33:46 -0000
From: "Donald Bauer"
Subject: Re: new member
Hey Mike,
I remember Chicago winters. That was bad enough with the wind off the lake. But -16 and wind. No thank you! How is everything going on the tramway? I am finally getting some track laid down. 200 feet so far, more when the temp warms a bit. Merry Christmas
Don
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:09:36 -0000
From: "Michael"
Subject: Stourbridge Lion plans?
Anybody know where I can find plans for the Stourbridge Lion ?
Preferably 7 1/2" Gage.........
Thnaks
Michale
Floriduh
USA
Iron Naut
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:52:50 -0000
From: "John Vincent"
Subject: Re: Stourbridge Lion plans?
A chap, now passed away, up here in Canada produced drawings and castings for & 7 1/4" and 4 3/4" models of the Lion. These were full working scale models and ran very well. The chaps name was Mike Field of Oshawa, Ontario. I know of at least two that were built in 7 1/4' and 3 that were built in 4 3/4".
There should be someone around who still has the drawings a at least. I know one of the people who have the 4 3/4" version.
John Vincent
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:39:11 -0500
From: Arno Martens
I copied this reply to the person who has the plans (I do have a set myself for 7-1/4").
I'll leave it up to him to contact you directly, to the lists or to haveme reply in these two lists.
--
Cheers,
Arno
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:54:45 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Re: Stourbridge Lion plans?
John,
The only 4-3/4" I know of is Debbies.
Hers is the original one built by Mike Fields.
I needled Mike long enough to design Stourbridge Lion in 1-1/2" scale.
Once he did that Jim Beveridge made the patterns for her.
They had deteriorated and needed to be redone before new set of castings were made in Montreal.
I BCCd Eric with my reply to both lists.
I did not want to post his eMail address (where he works).
I will post it here if he wants it.
--
Regards,
Arno
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:45:05 -0000
From: "John Vincent"
Subject: Re: Stourbridge Lion plans?
Arno:
George Lovette had a 7 1/4" Stourbridge that I'm sure was off Mikes drawings.
John
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:01:26 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Re: Stourbridge Lion plans?
Yes, John,
George Lovett got casting set # 4 (IIRC).
You were talking about several 4-3/4" engines of which I only know Debbie's.
--
Cheers,
Arno.
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:06:29 +1300
From: "Chris"
Subject: Winter Creek Christmas Message
To all my 'net based friends:
Merry Christmas from the Winter Creek. Its going to be a cracker of a day tomorrow - we are going to Bill's place for a champagne breakfast BBQ around 10am then spend the day lazing in the sun. The motorways (Freeways!) are jammed with people heading to the beach and its hot and sticky here in Auckland. Monique and I miss our eldest (Sarah) who is in Italy as an exchange student for one year.
Monique and I will definitely be attending the Triennial next June - and hope to meet many familiar names on this list.
I also would like to extend a personal invitation to all to please come visit us here in New Zealand. Some time on the Winter Creek does wonders for jet-lag before you head off on whatever holiday you plan, and we can accommodate one or two couples most of the time.
My new years resolution is to finish the mainline, and get my big diesel running - so I can make a start on a steamer.
Best wishes - and goodwill to all. This list has countless times dragged me out of the seriousness of work/life and reminded me what it is all about.
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:24:57 -0000
From: "retiredcaboose"
Subject: Questions
I have retired and planning to build railroad in back yard and lot.What books is recommended reading for a beginner?
Keith, "The Loose Caboose"
In Georgia
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 03:55:48 +0000
From: Roy Stevens
Subject: RE: Questions
Buy "Civil Engineering for Outdoor Railroads" and read all the archived articles on discoverlivesteam.com then visit a club or two, look at what they've done and ask lots of questions. That will give you a great start.
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:10:12 -0500
From: mrjcad@netscape.net
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:52:02 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bruce Mowbray
Subject: Re: Questions
Keith,
Besides reading and participating on the numerous bulletin boards on the web, I recommend the "Engineering Handbook for Recreational Railroaders" available through Railroad Supply Corp. It has lots of track building info as well as other how to stuff about your ride on railroad.
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:06:52 -0600
From: BusBarn@Prodigy.net
Subject: Re: Questions
Keith, one of the most educational and fun way to learn how to set up your own track is to volunteer at a local track work session. Even if you have to travel a few hours, spend the day or even a couple days getting your hands dirty with as many experiences as possible.
Working at an existing track will give you more than just an education, it will also give you inspiration and a place to run your equipment while you are laying your own track. After helping others on their track you may find out you don't need to build your own track, just help others keep theirs going.
Rick Taylor
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:13:04 -0000
From: "Jim OConnor"
Subject: Re: Questions
Civil Engineering for Outdoor Railroads is a bit technical. But if you're a technical kind of person, you'll love it. CE for Outdoor Railroads is on special right now on for $20.70 Plus, DLS is offering free shipping for the next 10 days.
http://www.discoverlivesteam.com/books/civil_engineering.html
Happy New Year.
Jim.
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:35:25 -0000
From: "garrattguy"
Subject: Re: Questions
Hi Jim,
Thanks for that, I just ordered a copy via your website (which charged for shipping automatically by the way). Looking forward to reading it.
Cheers,
Michael Guy
Toronto.
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:21:55 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Re: Questions
Bob asked today how you plan to lay the track over the existing concrete sections.
I couldn't give him an answer as I thought loose gravel for the looks alone won't do. Too tempting for the kiddies to pick up for use as missiles.
--
Cheers,
Arno
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:33:39 -0000
From: "garrattguy"
Subject: Re: Questions
Much of the "concrete" is actually a concrete base with several inches of red-coloured asphalt laid on top. A trench will be saw-cut through both on the track alignment after which the underlying granular material will be smoothed and compacted. The track will be a welded structure using the 10lb rail and rebar supported at the correct height and alignment then filled with concrete to bring everything back to grade level. That's the general plan subject to change to suit what the architects like to call "site conditions".
Cheers,
Michael.
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:43:00 -0800 (PST)
From: leonard laufer
Subject: Re: Questions
Hi Bruce, it's been a long time since we were in contact.
I was one of the early members of the LILS and remember when you and your father joined.
I will send a private email to continue.
Len, the Shay builder.
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:45:25 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bruce Mowbray
Subject: Re: Questions
Hello Len,
It's great to hear from you!
Yes it has been awhile. I think the last time we were face to face, I was still a teenager. I'm 49 now. Time sure flies when you're having fun. It's nice to hear from some of the original LILS members.
Your still into live steam. That's great!! So am I. I am now living in Northeastern PA, working (actually, being payed to play with full size trains) at Steamtown National Historic Site in Scranton, PA, and I'm building my own 7 1/4" gauge track as I'm too far from any club to be a full member.
How are you? Do you still live on LI?. I'd love to see some pictures of what you're building. Stay in touch.
Bruce
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:34:47 -0000
From: "Jim OConnor"
Subject: Re: Questions
Sorry, the free shipping is for domestic "snail" mail only. I see you are in Toronto. Books to Canada go Global Priority.
Enjoy the book!
Happy New Year
Jim. BTW , I've been to Toronto a couple of times. A great city.
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:10:40 -0000
From: "tim"
Subject: Superscale
Hi to all, and a Happy New Year.
Have been a member of this group for some years, and am amazed by some of the wealth of infomation that comes across, its nice to see our Hobby is still so strong.
I am currently building An Indian Railways ZB 2-6-2 Narrow gauge and am looking for some good scale fittings, Globe vales etc.
The best I can find are from Supperscale, As in the UK we don't seem to produce anything like what I have seen from the US.
What I need info on is a contact Email as I have some Qestions on the size of the fittings, ie overal dimensions. They only seem to have a telephone and fax and the costs are quite high for the time it may take.
Thankyou
Tim
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:08:37 -0500
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Superscale
Send Barry a fax with your questions and tell you'll call him a few days later for the answer (this way you keep the trunk call to a minimum).
Give your phone number too.
Dont know about his area but here in Toronto we can call your for 1 p / minute with 2.5 p access fee.
You may want to contact Don Orr locopart@erols.com his web page is www.locoparts.net. Don is revising his page an keeps adding stuff to his lines. Send him an eMail to see if he has anything in the size you want.
--
Cheers,
Arno
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:52:01 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"
Subject: Re: Superscale
Tim,
Also try PM Research, Inc. They have a good selection of model pipe fittings and valves in several sizes and you can order directly from their web site at http://www.pmresearchinc.com. I have dealt with them for several years and found them to have quality products at reasonable prices and very prompt shipping.
