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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:31:18 -0800
From: "Daniel F Morris"

Subject: BNSF With Boeing Fuselage Cars



I have posted another HDV 1080i BNSF Freight WB at Snohomish, WA. 2-28-10 14:20 HRS. Note the Boeing Fuselage Cars and later the integrity failure warning of the track detector at MP 1776.2.



Enjoy!

Dan Morris

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:04:07 -0700
From: "Daniel F Morris"

Subject: You Tube HDVs



To All:

I have just posted three new HDVs 1080i on my account on You Tube. They are taken at Everett Station, Everett, WA along with two clips taken at Lowell River Road crossing on the south end of Everett. I captured something I had not seen on the BNSF in this area before. That is two separate light runs coming from Stevens Pass most likely as helper returns. They were within an hour of each other, followed by a long freight which had also just come from the pass after holding at Monroe, WA.

http://www.youtube.com/user/css903

Enjoy!
Dan Morris

Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:54:30 -0000
From: "Frolin Marek"

Subject: Re: You Tube HDVs



Dan,

Maybe odd question but, curious why you are posting these really nice video links in a Yahoo Group based on Narrow Gauge, ride-on, 7+ gauge trains?

These are really nice videos of modern standard gauge, prototypes. But maybe should share links in the BNSF or other prototype railroad groups.

So thought well, ask the guy.

And ask if you have any narrow gauge, 7+ gauge trains videos?

curious,
Frolin

Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:17:38 -0700
From: "Boyd Butler"

Subject: Re: Re: You Tube HDVs



Some of us like other things too, if you don't like it just delete it instead of making something of it. I like narrow gauge but very little is ever posted on here so I see no harm and this has been run by Hubert and he is ok with it. So have fun enjoy the hobby of railroading like some do in all scales.
Boyd in several gauges and scales.

Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:01:22 -0000
From: "William"

Subject: 3 3/4 scale shay



Does anyone know of a place to get plans for a 3 3/4 scale 7 1/2 gauge shay? Do you think Kozo's shay could be scaled up and the trucks made narrow to match the gauge?
The big engines seem to be getting very popular and a shay seems like it would be a good design.

Thanks
Bill

Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:50:11 -0700
From: George Potter

Subject: Re: 3 3/4 scale shay



Hi William,

Most of the 3 3/4" models are "based" (very loosely in many cases) on 2' narrow gauge prototypes. The Kozo shay was based on a standard gauge shay (I believe) - and couldn't be scaled to 3 3/4" scale (actually it could, but it wouldn't be running on 7 1/2" gauge track).

Start looking for 2' narrow gauge shay prototypes (and there are some) - try going to shaylocomotives.com and look up construction # 3123 or the even bigger # 3141 - and notice the change in proportions (from the Kozo Shay).

Starting with Kozo's plans - as a guideline (meaning to make sure that you have all the pieces) - and then looking at drawings and pictures of 2' locos ....... will get you started.

Good luck,

Regards,
George Potter
Placerville, California

Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:10:25 -0000
From: "boiler_room_machine_works"

Subject: Re: 3 3/4 scale shay



Hi William,
Consider reviewing the current series of articles by Dan Rowe running in Steam in the Garden magazine. The series began about a year ago and provides valuable reference for you.
Through the articles, Dan has been sharing his CAD drawings of Lima Locomotive Works prototype blueprints for the Mapleton Shay, a 2' gauge, two-cylinder Shay.
Although Dan's SitG series is focused on building a 7/8th scale Shay, his drawings specify the prototype dimensions, allowing you to convert the actual Lima dimensions to your choice of scale.
The Gilpin Shay is another prototype to consider. The Gilpin's are similar to the Mapleton. There are a couple of now out-of-print reference books on the Gilpin's that are worth searching for.
Best of luck on the project! Looking forward to seeing it develop.

Tim

Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:06:08 -0500
From: Rick White

Subject: Re: 3 3/4 scale shay



Bill,
See http://www.ikoneng.com/trains.htm and look down the page for the 2 ft Shay that Dave Giles builds for 7.25 and 7.5 inch gauge. He has them in New Zealand, Australia, and England. He builds them, and he may or may not sell drawings. I believe Dave had his own Shay at Train Mountain for the 2000 Triennial. He changed the gauge just for that meet. He has pulled extremely large loads with the Shay and a search of New Zealand club web pages shows him pulling, if I remember correctly, 50 cars all loaded with people up some 3% grades. Just a fantastic loco.

Rick White

Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:19:14 +1300
From: "John Oxlade"

Subject: Ken Swan Koppel rack loco drawings



I have a teensy problem.

I bought a complete set of Ken Swan's drawings for the 7.25" gauge rack Koppel. I got these as a "retirement project". So far so good.

I have just received my FORTH!! email exclaiming that "wow you have drawings" or words to that effect. i.e. they want copies.

Now the drawings are obviously copyrighted, but Ken doesn't seem to be supplying them any more. (??)

I don't want to infringe copyright nor make money out of someone else's work. SO.. Can I get in touch with Ken to ask whether I can copy them for these people if I DON'T PROFIT from it.

Or any other suggestions??

Thanks,
John

Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:52:54 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Ken Swan Koppel rack loco drawings



John,

Something similar came up in a forum specialising on a certain type of milling machine.

The second successor of the original maker informed a potential customer who wanted to place a purchase order that manuals for that equipment were no longer available.

He purchased a high speed scanner and made DVD's available for about USD 80.00 but was uneasy about the situation.

I suggested that he might not have to worry about copyright laws as the harmed party will have to prove in court a loss of revenue due to the violation of the law.
As they were not offering the material for sale, not even mentioning the possibility of a future printing, I suggested that they would not be able to demonstrate a loss of potential income due to the copyright violation.

I would send a registered letter with signature verification, asking to buy a set of drawings and take your cues from there.

If there is no reaction I could not see anything wrong with recovering your expenses for the work and time spent to copy, package and ship the drawings.

If I were to do that, I would always refer to "Design and drawings by Ken Swan."
--
Regards,
Arno

Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:51:06 +0000
From: Roy Stevens

Subject: RE: Ken Swan Koppel rack loco drawings



Your suggestion works in Canada, but copyright law tramples individual rights here in the U.S., and it's against the law regardless of intention. As a student I can mark copies "for educational use only" and then it falls under fair use, but only if the copyright holder doesn't have deep pockets and a grudge.

That said, if Ken can't or won't provide copies any more I say go for it - the worst that will likely happen is that his lawyer sends you a cease and desist letter.

Roy

Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:35:42 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Ken Swan Koppel rack loco drawings



Well, I don't know about Canada but the fellow I was talking about is in California.

Of course, it is against the law but, what penalties can be assessed in the States if the fellow stops doing that once he receives a Cease & Desist letter from a lawyer?

That said, if Ken can't or won't provide copies any more I say go for it - the worst that will likely happen is that his lawyer sends you a cease and desist letter.

That, in a nut shell, was my point.
--
Cheers,
Arno

Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:48:54 -0700
From: "Daniel F Morris"

Subject: More HDVs 1080i



To All;

I have posted yet another BNSF WB Grain Train taken at West Snohomish Junction at 10:39 HRS 3-27-10. It's neat to see all the helper arrangements the BNSF has been using as of late over Stevens Pass. The videos are 1080i, so you can sharply see the proto type in case you might be modeling this type of train? I rail fan & model both!

http://www.youtube.com/user/css903

Enjoy!
Dan Morris

Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:34:36 -0700
From: "Daniel F Morris"

Subject: BCRR video



NICE VIDEO!

From: Lindsay McDonnell
Subject: BCRR video

This is in Ft. Myers, Fl. Earl.

Buckingham Central RR 2010 Un-Meet.

Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:33:05 -0700
From: "Daniel F Morris"

Subject: Interesting Old Footage



From: Hayden, Thomas R
Subject: Interesting Old Footage
Subject: 1906 San Francisco Street film

Going back in time...

This film was "lost" for many years. It was the first 35mm film ever. It was taken by camera mounted on the front of a cable car

The amount of automobiles is remarkable for 1906. The clock tower at the end of Market Street at the Embarcadero wharf is still there.

Neat historical film worth watching.



This film, originally thought to be from 1905 until David Kiehn with the Niles Essanay Silent Film Museum figured out exactly when it was shot. From New York trade papers announcing the film showing to the wet streets from recent heavy rainfall & shadows indicating time of year and actual weather and conditions on historical record, even when the cars were registered (he even knows who owned them and when the plates were issued). It was filmed only four days before the quake and shipped by train to NY for processing.