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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:53:48 -0600
From: "Ron Koehler"

Subject: Re: Mason



I am in the process of building one of Ulins Mason Bogies. He provides numerous high quality castings. His address is

Rich Ulin
1160 Lilac St.
Broomfield, Co 80020
(303) 466-8241

I have ridden on his completed Mason and it is a wonderful engine. It has plenty of pulling power and great stalk talk.

Ron Koehler

Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:28:21 -0600
From: "Rick White"

Subject: Re: Mason



I have ridden behind Richard Ulin's Mason Bogie #5 many times and it is a great running loco - and an extremely detailed, good looking loco. Richard has been running a series on building the Mason Bogie in The 7+ Narrow Gauger (actually, it is now the 7+ Railroader) and you can contact them at 3840 W Hastings, Amarillo, TX 79124. You can contact Richard Ulin at 1160 Lilac Street, Broomfield, CO 80020. Richard does not believe in computers and the internet - spending his spare time in the shop building. Right now he is building Westside Lumber Co #14 and 15 three truck shays. I saw his #14 last October - unbelievable in its detail! Richard has been building 2.5" scale models of 3ft prototype engines. He is offering casting for this shay as well as the Mason Bogie.

I attached a photo of Richard at the C&IG spring 2000 meet crossing the new Rabbit line on the track between Gotebo and Anasazi.

Rick White
http://home.att.net/~lsr-nmra/rw.html

Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 11:30:22 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: happy millennium



Happy Millennium, the virus is back. This time it came from someone in Seattle that uses net zero. If you are in Seattle, please scan your system. This is getting old.

Thanks,
Stan Z.

Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:55:06 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Happy New Years



Hello all,

I wish you all a very Happy New Year and always a safe ride with your engines without big problems.

And welcome to all the new members, who joined our group during the past days.

Your moderator
Hubert

Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:22:59 -0600
From: nubbykallaus@iwon.com

Subject: RE: happy millennium



How do we keep from getting the virus

Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 12:31:19 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: RE: happy millennium



I run Norton anti-virus, it has detected it before I even saw the email. This is an OLD virus, some folks are running with no virus protection.

Stan Z.

Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:06:01 -0800
From: "John May"

Subject: Clymax Drawings



Wanted - Elevation drawings of 36" gauge, two truck, 50 ton (give or take), Climax geared steam locomotive with slide valves and Walshaert valve gear for potential 2-1/2" scale live steamer.

Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:30:49 EST
From: btflco@aol.com

Subject: Re: Climax Drawings



John, you can get elevations of the 50 ton 2 truck Climax on a poster from Roaring Camp & Big Trees Railroad in Felton, Ca. Also on the poster are the lines other operable locomotives. The Climax is about to begin a lenghty restoration after acquiring a boiler from the Sumpter Valley Restoration Group in Oregon.

Anyway the poster is available online at the address below.
http://www.roaringcamp.com/

Regards,
Jeff Badger

Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:49:52 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: Clymax Drawings



John -
I believe that is the engine Rich Ulin is now selling castings & drawings for. You'll have to write him a LETTER. He isn't on the internet, I understand. Addr: 1160 Lilac St., Broomfield, CO 80020 Tel 303-466-8241.
Howard

Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:20:19 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: RE: Clymax Drawings



Howard, Richard is selling Shay and Mason Boogies. Not Climax as of yet.

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:16:32 +1100
From: "Paxon G&C"

Subject: Re: Clymax Drawings



Get the building the Climax book and scale al the drawings up.
Geo A Paxon

Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 00:19:44 -0000
From: "Wilkes "

Subject: Russian Iron



Is there any way to duplicate the old russian Iron?

Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 01:43:39 -0000
From: "Wilkes "

Subject: masonreverse



I have read the bogie reverse link goes over the boiler and between the stack and bell and connects to the waltcherts valve gear. Is this true?

Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 20:53:20 -0500
From: "Rich D."

Subject: Re: masonreverse



Wilkes,
Most definitly.
The reach rod (from the Johnson bar) connects to a lever on a transverse rocker (weigh) shaft over the boiler. End levers and drop links connect to the the weigh shaft on the engine bogie (swiveling under the boiler) to set the expansion links in gear. A real slick compromise, I'm sure.
Rich D.

Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:42:03 EST
From: yrfavsob@aol.com

Subject: Re: Clymax Drawings



Rich Dunn's long awaited Climax book should be available late Spring/early Summer the last time I contacted him. He went to Alaska two or three times to measure the Class A alone - the book should be exhaustive in treating the subject. He really is a Climax locomotive authority.

Dennis

Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 07:54:33 -0500
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: Russian Iron



Wilkes,
Awhile back there was a heavy discussion on another list that I subscribe to regarding Russian Iron. A group of hitorians wanted to replace the rusted Russia Iron jacket on thier locomotive's boiler and the search for a replacement was on. It was discovered that real Russia Iron is no longer available and some substitutes were looked into but none could match the origonal in its characteristics. Here is a website that explains the basics of making Russia Iron.
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/lion/829/articles/boiler.htm

Here is another site with a letter from Kyle Wyatt, curator of the Nevada State Railway Museum, home of the 4-4-0 "Inyo", regarding Russia Iron.
http://www.railway-eng.com/dspp/russiron.htm

Perhaps someday, somone will find a way to reproduce the Russia Iron of yesteryear but until then, looks like we have to settle for a good paint job.

Bruce Mowbray (president)
TMB Manufacturing And Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:06:30 -0500
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: masonreverse



I have read the bogie reverse link goes over the boiler and between the stack and bell and connects to the waltcherts valve gear. Is this true?

Yes this is true. The lift arm shaft goes thru the lower part of the bell bracket. This is to allow the bogie to swivel without drastically changing the position of the bell crank below which would have happened if the reach rod was placed in its usual position, when the locomotive went around a sharp curve.

Bruce Mowbray (president)
TMB Manufacturing And Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:32:06 -0500
From: masonbogie

Subject: Re: Russian Iron



The Denver South Park & Pacific Web site has another treatise on Russia Iron--a contemporary account of its manufacture:
http://www.railway-eng.com/dspp/russiron.htm
George

Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:35:00 -0500
From: masonbogie

Subject: Re: masonreverse



FYI for you Mason Bogie fans out there. In case you didn't know of it, the Denver South Park & Pacific RR which owned 23 of these engines has a very active e-mail group on egroups and a Web page at
http://www.railway-eng.com/dspp
For the record, not all Masons used the over the boiler arrangement. The Torch Lake, the only surviving bogie, had Stephenson's valve gear and a conventional linkage. The over the boiler linkage minimized displacement as the bogie pivoted.
George

Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:38:33 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: Clymax Drawings



Dennis:
I would like to pre-order Rich Dunn's book somehow. Do you have any inkling of who will publish Dunn's book and what the title will be? Or, for that matter, any hints as to how to obtain it?
Thanks for any light you can shed. Howard Springer

Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:57:53 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: SR&CL Update



Hello again from the Sandy Ridge crew. We are still snowed in. Spent the evening of 12/31 and the day of 01/01 ramming the plow into the snow to open more track for service with #25. Found we could go in farther if we would pull up the plow before we backed out. This slows us down as we have to dig out the plow in front but we could get more wheel speed to help plunge the plow in. When we didn't, it would drag snow back over the rail and create an ice layer. We now have about 1500 feet opened out of about 4000. It was a lot of fun and some hard work digging in the white stuff.

Our plow gon has gone through some upgrades and now has batter boards on the rear to wing back the snow banks after we open up a stretch. It really throws the snow when we get going. Looks real neat. The plow has wings that can be opened up to 4 different positions that widen the cut out.
Can't wait to go back and ram and jam some more.

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:04:30 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Maine Trucks



Stan: Getting back on line after a trip from the snowy north to the cold, by their standards, south. Writing on list as I have somewhere in my stuff cc's of WW&F trucks for two foot gauge. Do you have this? If not, what is your snail mail address. No scanner here yet.

Cam Brown

Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:03:35 EST
From: DBauer2250@aol.com

Subject: Fwd: Fitchburg Northern #34



The Fitchburg Northern Discussion Group just grew by one more. Lets welcome Robert to the group

Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 13:13:21 -0000
From: robert_morris@a...
To: DBauer2250@a...
Subject: Fitchburg Northern #34


Hello Don,

I'm a new member to this list and was wondering if the separate discussion group has been established? I will be starting my FN #34 in the following months and would love to obtain all the info possible. If you could let me know it would be great!

Thanks,

Robert Morris

Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:40:14 EST
From: yrfavsob@aol.com

Subject: Re: Clymax Drawings



Howard,

I'll ask Rich and let you know but I believe its a publisher in Oregon.

Dennis

Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 10:40:47 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Urgent



I am sending this letter with Hubert's approval since I have detected another list member that is infected by a nasty virus. If you get ANY emails about Snowite with an attachment, delete them. Please contact me off-list if you need ANY help getting protected.

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I would respectfully request that each of you install anti-virus software on your computers. I would also recommend that you keep you software up to date. The only computers that are safe are UNIX based systems, Windows based computers are the most vulnerable. In the past month I have managed to assist two list members in recovering their infected computers by examining the infected email they sent me. My system is not at risk, but too many users are running without protection. If you cannot afford to install the software right now, I would suggest the following steps to avoid any further contamination:

1) Delete all email on your system from list members as well as any addresses in their email software. (This is how they spread.)

2) Do not surf the net until you have scanned your computer. There is a virus that is picking up email addresses from web pages. I have received the virus on a FICTIONAL address that appears on my web site. All email directed to my domain, not sent to a valid email box, is forwarded to me.

3) Install an email program not written by Microsoft or Netscape. (These are the biggest virus targets.)

4) Download a shareware virus detector to see if you are currently infected. (These don't work as well as the paid programs, but it's a start.) Please feel free to contact me with comments or questions.

5) All computers should be identified. This means setting the computer name and domain name. Fictional names can work, this allows us to track infected computers. I have used this to help three people already. This will save time.

6) Symantec offers a free virus scan for PCs over the web. You can go o the following url for a scan:

http://security1.norton.com/us/intro.asp?venid=sym&langid=us

Stan Zdonick Engineer
Large Trains On-Line
http://www.largetrains.com
64 Ridge Rd.
Longmeadow, MA 01106-2538
phone (413) 567-1694

Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 09:59:14 -0800
From: Don Dickens

Subject: Re: Urgent



Stan,
Good for you, You're doing a real service for the less "with it" group.

Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:07:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Dobrowolski

Subject: Fwd: [toytrains] Seeking TCA'ers pics on amusement park trains...



This message appeared on an O gauge list I subscribe to. I thought someone here may have some info this gentleman could use.....

Thanks,
Bob D.

--- "L. Andrew Jugle" wrote:
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:04:41 -0000
From: "L. Andrew Jugle"
To: toytrains@egroups.com
Subject: [toytrains] Seeking TCA'ers pics on amusement park trains...

...a good friend of mine used to own Miniature Train and Railroad Co. of(eventually)Rennselear, Ind. after starting in Elmhurst, IL. in the late 20's. By the 30's, they were running trains in Department stores, starting w/ Sears State Street in Chicago. During the war, trains in stores were coast-to-coast;12 inch gauge "E" diesels and Zephyrs where kids sat down inside the cars. In 1946, introduced "G-16" EMD F-unit, the Suburban. Used at Riverview in Chicago, Griffith Park in California, Cleveland Zoo and some 300 amusement parks around the world.

I plan on doing an article for the Quarterly. If you have any vintage pics of yourself, your kids,(or whoever) on the trains, I'd appreciate a clean, printable copy.(I have one of my future-wife on Lincoln Park's (Chicago) train in 1954!)
Mr. Newbraugh has had all kinds of references in "Who Done It" to these trains and I've never responded. Now I will!!! Please e-mail me if you have any pics or questions.

L. Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst, Illinois.


=====
Bob Dobrowolski
EL_Railfan@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:38:11 -0800 (PST)
From: David Kmecik

Subject: Narrow gauge plans



Hi everyone,
I am looking for plans of a Rio Grand narrow gauge flat car. If Anyone has any or knows someone who does please let me know how I can get a copy.
Thanks
Dave (new member)

Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:41:10 -0600
From: therbert@zibex.com

Subject: RE: Narrow gauge plans



Dave,
I have a copy of the Carstens book "Slim Gauge Cars" that has plans for the D&RGW 30' flat. I have used these plans to build one in 1:20.3 scale. I can send you a picture of the car, and if it's what you have in mind, I can scan the plan for you.

Let me know.

Tom Herbert
Houston Area live Steamers
Katy, Texas

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:35:34 +1100
From: "Paxon G&C"

Subject: Re: Narrow gauge plans



Dave,
Which series of flat are you interested in. I have plans for most of them.

Geo A Paxon : paxon@pnc.com.au

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:57:13 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Sinsheim Indoor Live Steam Festival



Hello all,

in just a couple of minutes I'll leave home and travel down to Sinsheim to participate the 5. Indoor Live Steam Festival.

Will be back on monday afternoon and plan to give a report than.

All the best

your moderator

Hubert

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:00:10 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: Narrow gauge plans



Reply to Dave:
Look in 7+ Railroader, 3840 W. Hastings, Amarillo, TX 79124. I know they had planx for a boxcar, I think I remember seeing a flat. Try mailto: rwilliams@pan-tex.net.
I THINK that address still works, altho he recently moved to Amarillo from Clarendon, TX.

Also contact MULVITIES IND. , 1 Mulvihill drive, Skagway, AK 99840. He has a list of White Pass and Yukon NG RR cars.

Also, check the John Maxwell Collection http://www.colong.com/ . He has an excellent collection of drawings and photo's.

Good Luck, Howard Springer

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:28:51 -0000
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: Introducing



Hello All,

I have just joined your list and felt it only polite to introduce myself.

I live in Auckland, New Zealand, and will soon be able to fulfill a dream of constructing my own 7.25" railway on 6 acres just out of the city. I am veteran of the 'electric mice' hobby and have built up extensive collections of prototype and model information, but I am short of practical construction information for the larger scales.

First project will be a diesel outline loco (narrow gauge bush-tramway theme), to aid in line construction, and I am keen to track down information relating to the construction of Diesel/Petrol, Diesel Electric, Diesel Hydraulic, or battery electric powered locomotives. Can anyone point me to useful web sites, books, videos?

To date I have attended one meeting of the Manukau Live Steamers and this is proving to be a valuable source of information - but has only wet the appetite for more!

Regards

Chris Draper

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:03:57 -0600
From: therbert@zibex.com

Subject: RE: Introducing



Chris,
Have a look at www.rmirailworks.com. They are importing the line of locos designed and built by Keith Watson in Australia. This will give you an idea of what is available in the (somewhat) local area close to you.

Hope this helps. Someone else may be able to direct you to Keith's website.

Tom Herbert
Houston Area Live Steamers
Katy, Texas, USA

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:05:37 -0800
From: "Orrin B. Iseminger"

Subject: Links updated



I've updated my model engineering and metalworking links pages. Just go to the site given below and follow the menu. If you find any errors or omissions please feel free to let me know.

There are a few Train Mountain pages, too. Just follow the menu and click on "Pictures."

Orrin

Orrin B. Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
So many projects, so little time.
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:10:01 -0800
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Introducing



Chris,
Try http://members.iinet.net.au/~gabrep/wato to see what Keith Watson has available. --

Regards,
Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Happily trapped on Vancouver Island BC.
http://www.horizon.bc.ca/~shas
http://www.pacificcoast.net/~trainman

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:15:40 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: RE: Introducing



Hi, Frolin is building what you want. Check out his web page.
RMI in the states is a good supplier of electrical things and chassis.
Check out Live Steaming and Jims Live steam trains. All have links to use.
Happy hunting.

http://www.frolin.net/
http://livesteaming.com/
http://home.att.net/~livesteam/livesteamtrains.htm
http://www.rmirailworks.com/

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:32:32 -0800
From: "Brian Marriott"

Subject: RE: Narrow gauge plans



You might check out "Slim Gauge Cars" [Pub. Carstens; ISBN 911875-72-0] which contains some good reference information on a variety of NG cars, including an article and GA drawing on RG idler flat.

Regards, Brian

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 01:31:02 -0000
From: davefrevele@hotmail.com

Subject: Santa Barbara Daylight



I'm sure this is a pathetic question, but I'm a live steam newbie.
Where was/is the outdoor layout that had the Daylight engine near Santa Barbara? Was this Seymour Johnson in Montecito? Any place I can find the track diagram, disposition of the equipment, and sites for pictures of it?

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:08:44 -0800
From: Jerry Kimberlin

Subject: Re: Santa Barbara Daylight



You may get some pictures of it as many dozens were taken. But the track no longer exists as Seymour died several years ago. Johnson's track was in Montecito and in a lovely place. It has been gone a long time now. People like Gene Allen, of Allen Models, may have a lot of information. Otherwise, Dick Thomas, the west coast IBLS secretary, probably knows as much as anyone about the disposition of the equipment. Dick has email, but I don't know what it is. I'll ask him tomorrow about these things and his email address if he comes up to GGLS. But you should email me again to remind me to pass this back to you.

JerryK

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:36:11 EST
From: btflco@aol.com

Subject: Re: Santa Barbara Daylight



Most of the 15" gauge went to the San Diego area and is at Glen Bell's "Bell Gardens" Farm. As for the daylight, I have seen it at the Bitter Creek & Western up in Arroyo Grande, and up at Train Mountian.
I believe that the group of 7.5" live steamers from Montecito are negotiating on some land in Ventura to re-build their club.

Regards,
Jeff Badger

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:41:32 -0800
From: Greg & Susan Robinson

Subject: Re: Santa Barbara Daylight



Dave,

Another fellow who will know A LOT of the details is Karl Hovanitz. He is a heck of a nice guy. Karl owns Silverado Stages and drove for our GSQ Tour last fall and will hopeful do our Tour this year in the Midwest. The Bitter Creek & Western is his railroad.

One of the 15" gauge engines that was at Seymour's place (the green one) has been sold and is now back in New York. If you are interested in the 15" gauge portion Seymour's place then you will want to get Dick Thiriot's video "Big Little Railways" (I will shamelessly mention that we sell it for $10 less than Pentrex does). It has some really nice shots of both engines, the roundhouse, etc. etc.

All the Best,
Greg

--
Greg & Susan Robinson
The Grand Scales Quarterly [Journal for 12" gauge & larger RR's]
P.O. Box 8953
Red Bluff, CA 96080 USA
530-527-0141 fax 530-527-0420
[Subscriptions: $20 /yr US, $25 /yr International]

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 06:26:18 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: Re: Santa Barbara Daylight



Dave -

The 1.5" scale Daylight that operated on the GVW track was built and operated by Dick Priest, who also built one of the 15" gauge locomotves that operatied on that layout. However, if I recall correctly, there was more than one 1.5" scale "Daylight" that operated on the track from time to time.

Dick was one of those rare builder owners who was generous in allowing many people to operate his locomotive and it is a testament to the quality of his work that it ran as well and frequently as it did with so many inexperienced hands at the throttle. Dick is reponsible for a number of youngsters growing up to become dedicated live steamers; it is a shame that more builder.owners are not more generous with their steeds.

Dick's son rebuilt the Daylight at least once; I know tha it has had at least two boilers. Its original home base was at LALS and it had an impressive string of cars.

I had an opportunity to haul the string of cars behind C&S #10 at the GVW track once and it was quite a challenge for that little 2.5" scale mogul teakettle, not to mention that is was quite an anachronism and scale mixup - a 1920 era 3' gauge locomotive pulling 1950 era 4'-8.5" gauge cars.

There are literally thousands of photos of Dick's Daylight around, and I believe you can see it in action on the National Geographic video "Love Those Trains" which is a staple of many public libaries video collections. C&S #10 is also featured on the same video.

If you want to see more photos of Dick's Daylight, you might want to write to the secretary of LALS and ask him; they surely have some to share.

I do not believe that the locomotive at the BC&W is the Priest Daylight, there were several built in bothe 1" and 1.5" scale, but I think Dick's was the first. You have already been referred to Karl at the BC&W; I am sure he can attest to the pedigree of the Daylight that is currently home ported there.

Rudy van Wingen

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:47:58 EST
From: btflco@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: Santa Barbara Daylight



Craig Craddock has the Daylight that is seen at Bitter Creek and Western.

JB

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:08:56 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Returned from Sinsheim



Hello all,

this afternoon, I returned from the 5. Indoor Live Steam Festival.

It was a great success with visitors from all over Europe and eastern states, including a special group of 8 people from Japan.

More than 25,000 people visited the show this year.

I operated my locomotive with much success, and made a mileage of nearly 72 miles over the 4 days.

I'll plan to set up a web-page with some photos during the next days.

Hubert
Moderator of the 7-plus-ngm - mailing list

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:00:55 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Returned from Sinsheim



Was BR 99-211 there again?
Shown in picture 5, pp 47 in the Nov/Dec 2000 Live Steam magazine.

Looks very interesting.

Cheers,
Arno

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:21:54 -0800
From: Russ Wood

Subject: Re: Returned from Sinsheim



Hubert,

Well I hope all American show promoters get a load of this bit of news!

<< More than 25,000 people visited the show this year. >>

We should all look ashamed! Congrats on a great show, WOW! You know it's really a shame that model railroading is dieing out! :o)

russ@hobby-tronics.com

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:13:17 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: Digest Number 221



> Was BR 99-211 there again?
> Shown in picture 5, pp 47 in the Nov/Dec 2000 Live Steam magazine.


Yes, it was there. This engine is commercially built by the manufacturer Zimmermann, and they have their train running together with the commercial trains of the Malu - Bahn (http://www.malu-bahn.de), who owns all the track.

I think, the engine is a little bit overscaled. The prototype is metergauge, and so it should be a little bit smaller than the model is.

On the other hand, it's designed for commercial use, and has a very good exhaust-sound.

BTW, I have to correct the number of visitors.

My first information was from the Sinsheim newspapers, but today I got the official-press-release from the Messe Sinsheim. They had "only" 21.022 visitors after 20.051 in 2000.

But I think, that's impressive enough.

Hubert
Moderator of the 7-plus-ngm - mailing list

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:13:58 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Plans available



I'm sending this to multiple groups, I apologize if some of you get this more than once. I want to make sure everyone who might be interested gets it.

I went ahead and had some copies made of the Lucky 7 blue prints I have, since there was demand for them and the old sources are gone or going under. It cost a bit more than I expected because of the shear size of the drawings. The cost for a set is $83.33. I have 9 copies available.

Please send me an email off list if you are interested along with your address so I can figure out the postage. I will send them in a tube via priority mail. Postage will be somewhere around $6-$10 I would guess.

Stan Zdonick

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:22:22 -0600
From: therbert@zibex.com

Subject: RE: Plans available



If anyone has any interest in building the Maxi Lucky 7, from the same plans that Stan is advertising, let me know. The Maxi is 3 3/4" scale, 31" wide, 44" tall and about 11 feet long, weight ~2000#. I have some parts that I may be interested in selling, since the suppliers are no longer around, and I have no interest in making the number of patterns that would be necessary to have the remaining parts cast.

I have the main frames (1" flame cut plate) the joint casting, front frame spreader, driver axles (machined) and a finished front axle w/wheels. Also have the cast bronze bearing material for the pilot truck. Maybe some other parts that I can't remember at the moment. Oh, yes, finished piston rods and pistons.

Tom Herbert
Houston Area Live Steamers

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:17:40 -0500
From: "Nathaniel C. Guest"

Subject: RE: Plans available



Can you tell me more about the maxi lucky 7? What is the wheel arrangement?

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:58:28 -0600
From: therbert@zibex.com

Subject: RE: Plans available



Maxi Lucky 7 is a 2-4-4 Forney. The plans were drawn by Don Smith, from the Bridgeton & Harrison RR #7. It is a 30% scale model of a 2-foot gauge Maine loco. It's a really neat loco, especially if you like 2-foot narrow gauge, Maine style. I have a picture of a very similar loco, if not the same one, that I can post, if you like.

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:35:02 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: RE: Plans available



Don Young, from England, drew the plans. It can be built in a few sizes based on which portion of the drawings you use. It can be built as both an inside or outside frame engine. I've had folks talk about scales from 7/8ths for gauge 1 track to 3 3/4" scale for 7 1/2" gauge. It makes a nice BIG engine in any gauge since it's a two footer. There are a number of the maxis out there on the web. I haven't seen any pics of the minis except in Live Steam magazine.

You can still see the 1:1 scale engine at Edaville, though they don't have permission to run it. It will eventually return to Maine.

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:38:09 -0500
From: "Nathaniel C. Guest"

Subject: RE: Plans available



Yes, if you could post it, that would be great!

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:06:41 -0600
From: therbert@zibex.com

Subject: RE: Plans available



OK, the image is at:

http://www.uiterwyk.com/images/therbert/lucky7.jpg

This image was scanned out of the Carstens book "Slim Gauge Cars" mentioned on the list earlier...

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:18:47 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Plans available



You can also see the model, both stock and modified, at http://members.home.net/melcaswell/

Jim Hoback

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:51:38 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Plans available



Stan: Do I presume correctly that the #7 rawings you have are Don Young's from the Live Steam series (oh my! was it decades?) ago?

Cam Brown

Yes maybe a swap on truck parts, wheels whatever. There is a slightly foreshortened B&H flat in the basement that my bride would love to see dissapear. Threqw my back out attaching stake pockets and havn't touched it in a couple years.

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:28:59 EST
From: nashnash@aol.com

Subject: Caboose Roof



I purchased a 2 1/2" scale, D&RGW caboose. The roofing needs replacement. They used and Emery Cloth glued down to the plywood roof. Anyone have any other ideas?

Thanks
John in the third world country of California.

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:56:31 -0500
From: Robert Herronen

Subject: Re: Caboose Roof



John - how prototypical do you want to be?

The real things used canvas soaked with a tar. Later that was replaced with sheet metal. For longevity, I'd suggest a metal roof. Just cut the corners witha single slit, bend down the ends and take that tab and solder it on the outside. I believe that is how it was done. Some use a triangular cut. The edges of the prototype roofs were nailed into the ends with large washers around the nails and then tarred. Some roofs were tarred over be sheet metal. Especially at the edges and around the roof walk and lantern housing on the coupola.

How bad is the plywood? Nice thing about thin sheets of plywood is that they form nice curves.

Just a couple ideas - take with a grain of salt and water. :-)

Robert Herronen
North Carolina - USA.

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:54:07 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: Re: Caboose Roof covering



I have built two or three cars with canvas roofs using bed sheeting to simulate the canvas. I paint the surface of the plywood with a coat of white glue diluted with some water, then lay the strips of sheeting on in the pattern used on the prototype, followed by another brushing of glue.

Let dry for a few days; in cold damp weather, use a heat lamp (I put a 150 watt bulb inside the caboose and covered the whole thing with a blanket. "Course, that was back in the days when we had electricity to light our lights in California.

When dry, paint the roof with a regular oil based paint to seal it. One roof has withstood several years of use without fialure even after numerous bouts of rain and night time dew.

Good luck and post some photos!

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:54:40 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"
Subject: Sinsheim picture-page uploaded

Hello all,

as promised, I set up a special picture-page.

You can find it under http://www.7-plus-ngm.org/sins2001.htm

Regards
Hube

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:00:52 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: Headlight drawings



Como Roundhouse Products is looking into the costs and marketability of making an investment cast kit of a Sunbeam headlight and needs drawings.

I am looking to purchase drawings in the 1900 to 1930 era. If you have any or know of a source, I would appreciate hearing from you.

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:15:30 -0900
From: Durand Family

Subject: Re: Digest Number 223



Canvas roof can be duplicated by using the fiberglass reinforcing sheeting used on by the Rapid Roof or Sno-Coat systems found at Lowe's etc. This can be applied directly to stable plywood in overlaping strips using the Sno-Coat latex roofing material. When done paint it with black exterior latex paint and it will look and perform just like the original tar roof without the mess. This stuff is designed as roofing and resists UV light. I have had it on my shop roof over 12" plywood for 15 years.

Good luck on the project from Pat Durand.

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:32:58 -0800
From: Jerry Kimberlin

Subject: Re: Headlight drawings



Sunbeam....there are a couple pages in the "Train Shed Cyclopedia" #41 that are from the 1927 Locomotive Cyclopedia. No dimensions however.

JerryK

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:07:20 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: Caboose Roof



Hi John,

I just installed the roof on my caboose.

Suggested by a friend of mine, I used the following method:

Paint the roof with varnish or latex (house) paint with a foam roll. Don't worry about the bubbles. After that, cover the fresh paint with fine dry sand (my friend use sand from the eastsea-beach), using a tea-strainer.

When the varnish/paint is dry, remove all the surplus sand. If there are places, where the sand did not stick to the paint, do it again.

With varnish, all sand should be covered by the paint.

I used latex paint, and most of the sand sticked to the paint, but wasn't covered. So, it still was the sand-colour.

As the first paint was dry, I rolled on a thinned layer.

And that's it.

A nice looking roof without any problems to glue on any material, which can warp.

Hube

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:29:53 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Headlight drawings



Rudy: I have a 1903(?) loco builders guide safely at northern home which may have something. Wait till May and I'll check.

Were the bedsheets white used on the Caboose roof or did they have a print of lil bunnies or chickies?

C/H

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:32:03 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Digest Number 223



Would there be a / between the 1 and the 2 or is the plywood on your roof truly a foot thick?

C

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:30:36 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: Headlight drawings



LOL! I actually did!

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:01:36 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



To all - - -
I have been trying to do some re-plumbing on my locomotive and have run out of pipe fittings. I ordered them from Coles, in Ventura, CA. Unfortunately, (and as is quite common) they were out of stock on certain sizes and types - Naturally, the sizes and types I ordered.
I am trying to locate a second source for this stuff. Power Model Supply is gone, and American Model Engineering & Supply, in Florida has not yet gotten into the fittings, altho they do have nipples, unions, and taps and dies. Does anyone out there know of any other suppliers? I have tried to obtain information from "Fyne Fort Fittings" in UK - but they don't seem to reply to US inquiries. Hubert - are there any suppliers in Europe ? Any info will be gratefully received.
Howard Springer

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:10:16 -0600
From: therbert@zibex.com

Subject: RE: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



Howard,
If you have the taps & dies (if you do, I envy you) you can get unmachined fittings from Power Model Research, in Wellsville, New York. They come cast in a tree, and are very inexpensive. Unfortunately, their pre-machined fittings have straight threads. I have one of their catalogs, and can get you the telephone number and prices when I get home... If nobody else can help.

Tom Herbert
Katy, Texas

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:31:57 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



Did you check with Bob at Sulphur Springs?

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:53:43 -0800
From: Jerry Kimberlin

Subject: Re: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



Superscale Locomotive Company
367-A Beckett Place
Grover Beach, CA 93433-1551
Tele/ Fax: (805) 473-4774

All lost wax castings in various sizes. MTP is for 1/4" OD tubing and smaller. Larger is standard NTP threads. I don't know the SuperScale range of sizes - never got their catalog but the products are very good.

JerryK

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:57:09 -0800
From: "Orrin B. Iseminger"

Subject: Re: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



Howard --

Here's another place you could try:

Miniature Power Products
R.R. 1, Woodstock, Ontario
Canada N4S 7V6
Tel.: 519-539-9981
Fax: 519-539-830


Regards,

Orrin B. Iseminger

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:03:29 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



Although Ted McJannett has eMail
wmcjanet@execulink.com
it it always best to giove him a phone call.

Still beats going to the UK if he's got it.

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:11:26 -0500
From: "Rich D."

Subject: Re: Caboose Roof



John, I will be using chino (?) from the cloth store. It's (black) pressed shiny fabric that I will lay down in a fresh coat of polyuethane, then coat again. Use over sized sheets and weight the edges down until dry, then trim.
Rich D.

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:06:26 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



Reply - Thanks for the suggestion - I'll try tomorrow.

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:10:37 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



Jerry: The last time (last Fall) I checked, Barry (SUPERSCALE)didn't have any stock either.
Thanks for the thought tho.
Howard.
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 07:29:16 -0800
From: Jerry Kimberlin
Subject: Re: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings

Jerry: The last time (last Fall) I checked, Barry (SUPERSCALE)didn't have any stock either. Thanks for the thought tho. Howard.

I heard that last Fall also. I am assuming that he was going to make another run of parts - at least that was the indication - so it may be time to check again.

JerryK
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:04:07 -0500
From: "Bruce Mowbray"
Subject: RE: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings

Tom,
Could you post the address and possibly the phone number of Power Model Research on here or to me directly?
Thanks

Bruce Mowbray (president)
TMB Manufacturing And Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:30:00 EST
From: Mikado8@aol.com

Subject: Re: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



Hi Tom;
P M Research, Inc website is as follows. www.pmreserchinc.com
The phone number is 716-593-3169
I hope this helps you.
Bill Cochrane

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:31:53 EST
From: Mikado8@aol.com

Subject: Re: MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



I forgot the mailing address. It is 4110 Niles Hill Road, Wellsville, NY 14895.
Hope thios helps,
Bill

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:13:04 -0800
From: Russ Wood

Subject: Re: Sinsheim picture-page uploaded



Hubert,

Great pictures, thanks for posting them. How did you get from your depot track to the running protion of the track, was there a transfer table or by hand?

russ@hobby-tronics.com

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:15:07 -0000
From: geneskog@kci.net

Subject: roofs



I have had excellent out door roof results by impregnating liquid rubber thru cloth onto wood base with a putty knife. I used the liquid rubber sold by auto parts dealers for dipping tool handles.
Gene Skoglund

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:58:27 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Minneapolis



I'm starting a project for my "real" job in Minneapolis and it's going to run for about 3 months. Are there any narrow gauge train sites I should look at while I'm there? Keep in mind, my primary interest is two foot gauge.

Thanks,
Stan Zdonick

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:04:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Raymond Davis

Subject: MTP fittings



Howard, Take a look at Tiny Power in Branson Mo. He has a web site with catalogue and prices, no train stuff but he does have pipe fittings both finished & unfinished I don't know if they are tapered. The web address is www.tinypower.com
Good Luck
Ray Davis
Athens Tx

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:19:10 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: Digest Number 225



Hi Russ,

Great pictures, thanks for posting them. How did you get from your depot track to the running portion of the track, was there a transfer table or by hand?

Thanks. Yes, there was a handpowered transfer table, so that I could reach the connecting track to the rest of the layout.
The only problem I had was, that this transfer track wasn't long enough, only 7 or 8' long. So, I had to cut my train in three sections (caboose plus one 4-wheel-flatcar, riding-car with one 4-wheel-flatcar, locomotive alone) to bring it to the connecting track. And my stand was nearly at the other end of the depot area.
For this, I was nearly running the whole day, and only one or two time I was able to use one of three long storage- tracks for a short brake.

Hubert
Moderator of the 7-plus-ngm - mailing list

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:54:09 -0800
From: Russ Wood

Subject: Re: Digest Number 225



Hubert,

I was wondering how you folks did all those trains for the show. Good job and thanks for the information. Interesting comment about being at the other end of the hall from the transfer station. We are fighting the same kinds of design concerns with the new member storage barn at Train Mountain. I will forward you comments on to Ross and Quentin. My thought is to have two transfers tables each with two tracks each. The table would hold two sets of 16 foot long 'things' for a total of 32' per transfer trip. If you have a copy of MS PowerPoint I'll send you some drawings of where we are at in our design construction discussions for your feedback. If not I'll send them to you as JPEG's, either way I'd like your comments.

russ@hobby-tronics.com

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:31:28 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: Re: Superscale & MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



I know Barry fairly well both as a friend, a customer and as a supplier. Barry goes to a lot of meets in the spring and summer, and he sells a lot of parts at these meets + he is not in his shop making replacements.

I think that it is part of his normal business cycle to be out of stock in the Fall, since that is when he gets done with most meets and has a chance to get back to the (other end) of his business. There is a pretty good chance that he will have some inventory by now.

A w ord to the wise: Superscale, like most hobby businesses, is a one man operation. If you see something you like and even think you are going to need in the next few years, buy it while you can. You can almost always return it for exchange or sell it on the internet (such as this site) if you later find it is surplus.

When one of us one horse operators dies or retires, don't blame us if you find yourself S.O.L. for that part you knew 5 years ago you were going to need but just didn't want to spend the money on then....

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 21:35:57 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: Hubert done good!



I love this site! What a wonderful source of help and information it is for those of us in a little tiny niche of a minority branch of a small hobby!

MTP fitiings needed - just ask!

How to do a canvas car/caboose roof, just ask.

Need headlight drawings? - just ask!

Thanks a bunch, Hubert!!!!

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:42:26 -0500
From: locopart

Subject: Re: Re: Superscale & MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



Rudy

AMEN to your "word to the wise".

I have long been telling folks that in this hobby, with it's extremely small population base, when you see something you MAY, or DO, need, get 2 or 3 of them as when the time comes that the need arises, it probably will not be available. Those of us who have been in this hobby for 20 or 30 years have seen it happen too many times. Items in our hobby have a way of going the way of the dodo.

Don Orr, Suffolk, Va
1-1/2" and 2-1/2" scale steam locomotive accessories, gas burners and tenders

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:31:06 -0800
From: Jerry Kimberlin

Subject: Re: Re: Superscale & MTP (Model Taper Pipe) pipe fittings



Perfect example is the Ohlencamp injectors. Everyone thought them expensive while Em was making them. Now they are desirable and few and far between. I don't even know what happened to all the stuff. I heard Ohlencamp didn't want his name attached to something not made by him and scrapped the whole thing. I tried to buy the business once and failed.

JerryK

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:53:22 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: Digest Number 226



Hi Russ,

I was wondering how you folks did all those trains for the show. Good job and thanks for the information.

In the same way as you folks did it on the IBLS-tour, I enjoyed so much.

Interesting comment about being at the other end of the hall from the transfer station.

Sorry, misunderstanding. I was at the wrong and of the storage-area, not at the other end of the hall. The storage area had around 40 tracks, and because it was only temporary, sometimes the tracks slided and you had problems to push the transfertrack through.

We are fighting the same kinds of design concerns with the new member storage barn at Train Mountain. I will forward you comments on to Ross and Quentin. My thought is to have two transfers tables each with two tracks each. The table would hold two sets of 16 foot long 'things' for a total of 32' per transfer trip. If you have a copy of MS PowerPoint I'll send you some drawings of where we are at in our design construction discussions foryour feedback. If not I'll send them to you as JPEG's, either way I'd like your comments.

The major problem was, that there were so many people at the same time, who want to leave the storage area at the show.
I think, at a storage barn this will not so important as on an show.

But I like your idea with two tracks on every table, wich will double the total length per trip. But make it wide enough for bigger models in 2.5" scale or 3 3/4".

Hube

P.S.: I have PowerPoint, but only the version 4.0 . So, if you want to send the newest drawings, please downgrade them to 4.0 or send a .jpg.

Thanks
Hubert
Moderator of the 7-plus-ngm - mailing list

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:33:04 -0800
From: Russ Wood

Subject: Re: Digest Number 226



Hubert,

<< models in 2.5" scale or 3 3/4" >> You bet! They will also have to move those TM trollys! :o)

russ@hobby-tronics.com

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:48:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave

Subject: (unknown)



Hello everyone,
I am looking for plans of the following D&RGW locomotive/rolling stock.
locomotive #50
6200 series flat cars
1400 series high side gondolas
1600 series high side gondolas
If anyone has these plans or knows where I can get a copy of please let me know.

Thanks
Dave

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:23:16 -0600
From: therbert@zibex.com

Subject: RE: (unknown)



I don't have it here to look at, but I believe that all of those plans are in the Carstens "Slim Gauge Cars" book. I can check tomorrow, if you like.

Tom Herbert

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:25:16 EST
From: Dgligg@aol.com

Subject: Caboose info needed



Dear sirs:

Want to build a detailed Caboose for our 7 1/2" ga. 1/8 "scale R.R. How does one get started?

Thank you

Doug Liggett

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:18:32 -0600
From: therbert@zibex.com

Subject: RE: (unknown)



Dave,
Sorry, my earlier post was mistaken; "Slim Gauge Cars" has plans for the 6700-series flats, and none of the gons, other than the 7- and 800-series dump-bottom gons.

Tom Herbert

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:31:26 EST
From: Smallhand@aol.com

Subject: Re: (unknown)



Dave,
When Steve Easlon of "Western Rails" was in Southern California, he at one time had plans for the D&RGW #50 and rolling stock. Last time I spoke with him he had moved to Oregon. His new e-mail address was posted on this site, in the last year.

Ray Hill

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:01:47 EST
From: Smallhand@aol.com

Subject: Re: (unknown)



D&RG Flat Car

Modeltec Magazine - August 1985, pg 36

Ray Hill

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:05:32 -0800
From: "Dennis & Marie Weaver"

Subject: RE: Caboose info needed



Doug,

You didn't say if you want to build a wood or steel caboose. If it's steel you're after check out the site Kitsaplivesteamers The club has a kit for a steel caboose with watercut sides, ends, floor plate, roof panels and step sides. It also has the material for the frame and draft gear. This is just a basic kit and you add the details.

Dennis

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:15:04 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: D&RGW freight car plans



Hi Dave,

check out the new Sloan book 110 years of D&RGW freight cars. It covers all freight-cars starting from the 4-wheel-cars.

Very interesting, many photos and many plans.

Also, check out the RGS Technical Page of Bill White.

He covered the 9-stake-gon's in one of the last issues with many interesting scetches and photos.

Hubert
Moderator of the 7-plus-ngm - mailing list

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:14:19 -0500
From: masonbogie

Subject: Re: d&rg plans



Try
Coronado Scale Models
1544 E. Cypress St
Phoenix, AZ 85006

Underground Railway Press
PO Box 11279LI
Burke VA 22009-1279

and The John Maxwell Collection whcih not only has plans but photos

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:50:36 -0600
From: "Mudhen"

Subject: Re: D&RGW freight car plans



Don't forget to check out The John Maxwell Collection
John was a draftsman for the D&RGW and saved many drawings as well as made quite a few on his own. Its an extensive collection and you'll probably want to buy copies of everything.

Mark Petersen
Camp Creek Railroaders
Omaha, NE

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:29:44 -0600
From: Tom Artzberger

Subject: Future projects



Hi Everyone

Wanted to bring to your attention a couple of projects that are underway at my Pike lake and Eastern Shops that might be of interest to the narrow gauge community.

If you are following my construction series on the Plymouth Switchers in ModelTec, one of my associates is in the process of kit-bashing the standard gauge Plymouth into a 1 scale (4 3/4 gauge) narrow gauge Plymouth. The Prototype is the White Pass & Yukon #3. Most of my standard plymouth parts can be used or modified.

The Second project is the Rio Grande Southern #20 (4-6-0) in 2 scale. I am now in the process of building the complete locomotive and tender in Pro/Engineer (a high end solid modeling CAD system) from which a complete set of drawings will be generated. If anyone has an interest in this project, check my web site for additional information and specifications.

Thanks Tom Artzberger

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:38:17 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Future projects



Tom,

Very nice web site. Exceptionally nice array of equipment you have built and are building. My hat is off to someone who can put his metal where his mouth is.

Regards,

Jim Hoback Tuolumne, CA, U.S.A. http://www.mlode.com/~jdmd/train.htm

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 00:03:20 EST
From: yrfavsob@aol.com

Subject: Re: D&RGW freight car plans



John was a draftsman for the D&

Are you sure about that?

Dennis O'Berry

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:15:53 +0000
From: nigel_pellew@fwuk.fwc.com

Subject: Oil firing on a Maxi Lucky 7



Have just found this egroup on the net and have been perusing the recent correspondence. I'm currently in the throes of building a Maxi Lucky 7 (motions nearly complete) so delighted in finding others similarly inclined. However, is there anyone out there with experience of oil firing the Maxi Lucky 7, or knows of literature giving details.
The information in UK on this method of firing is very skimpy. Have bought 'Logging with Steam' & made some prototypes to check on performance but didn't like the limited range of control with a stable flame.
In UK we can insure a boiler of less than 10galls through the clubs insurance, providing 'properly' built. Anything over means it has to built & inspected in accordance with a TPI agency. Thus will down size the boiler to but have the opportunity to design around the method of firing.
Any help appreciated.
Nigel Pellew

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:57:22 +1100
From: "Paxon G&C"

Subject: Re: D&RGW freight car plans



Strikes me a strange John was a draftsman. He did an admirable job of measuring and documenting most of the equipment, but he couldn't draw for shit.
Geo A Paxon

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:38:59 -0600
From: "Mudhen"

Subject: John Maxwell



Perhaps I'm mistaken he was a draftsman, but that was always my impression. Some of the drawings on the site are copies of authentic D&RGW blueprints & some are John's own drawings. Of the few of John's drawings I've bought, I didn't think they were badly done. The blueprints however are worth purchasing as they're about as authentic as possible without having to do make your own.

Mark Petersen
Camp Creek Railroaders
Omaha, NE

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:45:37 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: Oil firing on a Maxi Lucky 7



Nigel- -
I am happily firing a 2-1/2 scale 2-8-2 with oil (diesel). Boiler has 29 - 3/4' (ID) tubes about 31" long - firebox is about 18" long - shell is 12" pipe. If these dimensions are near your Lucky 7, and you haven't had any better data, e-mail me about the third week of March. I am just preparing to leave on a trip and can't do much now, but will be available in latter March.
Howard Springer

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:50:19 EST
From: btflco@aol.com

Subject: Re: Oil firing on a Maxi Lucky 7



I would contact Paul Garrin at Roll Models in Fresno, California. He has several of similar designed locos that are oil fired and work quite well.

Good Luck,
Jeff Badger

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:56:57 -0700
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Re: D&RGW freight car plans



Hi Folks:

John worked for the USGS in Denver as a draftsman.

Mike Decker

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:13:06 -0800
From: Don Dickens

Subject: Re: Oil firing on a Maxi Lucky 7



I fired my Romulus with diesel and a home heating oil called "stove oil". The stove oil was harder to find in small quantities but gave me much more flexibility in the size of fire I could adjust to. Diesel seemed to work with only one combination of steam and oil.

Retirement means 6 Saturdays a week.
D. W. Dickens BA, MSEd, JSI, DMA, RNG

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:34:05 -0000
From: "Curtis Ferrington"

Subject: Material for Cylinder Castings?



Fellow Narrow (gauge) Minded Fellows,

I've decided that the cylinders I'm looking for use in my 2.5" 4-4-0 (Carson & Colorado #4, an 8-22-C) don't exist, thus have come down to the choices of Fabrication vs. Casting. In my mind, fabrication is what one resorts to when all other options have failed or cost too much $$.

The hobby standard for cylinders is of course "green sand" casting, and I have worked on patterns for this process before. Many parts, such as wheels, lend themselves very readily to this process of casting.

However, cylinders are a bit trickier. The cores required to make the cast in steam passages are very time consuming and expensive. Thus the steam "passages" have to be piped. I've heard the horror stories of having to bend pipe into the cramped area between cylinder castings, which are usually 3 piece castings instead of 2 halves.

Some people have even reduced the number of cast in passages by removing the steam-in passages and plumbing pipes from the smokebox directly into the steam chests. Which is perfectly fine for K36s and other piston valve engines, but not on slide valve engines. And those pipes are usually left un-insinuated to make them less obtrusive, which is a waste of fuel & water.

All this boils down to my quest for a better cylinder casting. The only other option is of course investment castings. But it would take years just to make the tooling needed for a Lost Wax mould! Enter stage left: "Evaporated Pattern Castings" (EPC) better know and touted as "Lost Foam."

For those who came in late: A pattern is glued together from Styrofoam pieces. Many times the pattern even includes holes that will only need to be reamed after casting. The pattern is then covered with a sealant then lowed into a box of vibrating sand. The vibrating sand sucks the sealed pattern down and fills all the voids while compacting itself. The sand provides the support for the sealant as the molten metal is poured in, which evaporates the Styrofoam. End product is a casting of the same shape as the Styrofoam pattern...minus shrinkage.
And, well, the castings' surface looks like a Styrofoam cup.

I'm almost finished designing the 3D CAD pattern using a program called Solidworks (which, BTW, kicks Pro/Engineers ass. ;-) ). Most foundries that work in EPC use a 3D modeling software to have the Styrofoam patterns cut on a CNC machine. This lends itself extremely well to "one-off" or prototype jobs that don't require moulds to be made.

The pattern, as now being designed, will be a single piece (left & right sides) casting with all ports cast in, and many of the needed holes cast in as well.

I'm confident enough in this process that I'm seriously starting to look for a foundry to do the casting so that I can get some price quotes. However there are still gaps in my knowledge. I need to determine what the best material is to cast it out of; Bronze? Grey Iron 40? Ductile Iron? 4140? A6? Nickel Steel? Stainless Steel? :-D

The more specific the better.

Any help will be appreciated! The results of this endeavor, success or failure, will posted to this group. Though, if the result is a failure I may embellish a little so as to not make it seem so bad. :-)

Thanks in advance,
Curtis F.

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:30:21 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Possible Virus (worm)



The message from Paxon G&C regarding D&RGW freight car plans seems to have a worm attached to it. Norton says it is the KaK worm. Perhaps Paxon G&C can check for viruses.

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Tuolumne, CA, U.S.A.
http://www.mlode.com/~jdmd/train.htm

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:21:52 EST
From: Mt14l@aol.com

Subject: Re: Possible Virus (worm)



Jim;
When I got this message it had an attachment which is an ad. Can't find any Kak virus in my files???
Dave

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:45:05 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Possible Virus (worm)



Dave,

I have gotten this virus alert several times lately. Norton quaranteens it and I delete it. This morning the alert came up when I opened the Paxon message. I am generally computer challenged so I don't know exactly what is going on.

Regards,

Jim

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:28:35 +1300
From: "Grant and Donna Alexander"

Subject: Introducing Grant Alexander



Hello everyone,

I've been a quiet member of this egroup since just before Christmas, watching and enjoying the goings on and thought it was about time to introduce myself.

I feel like an absolute beginner compared to most of you folks, but I guess we all have to start somewhere. I am not an engineer, being in the electronics trade instead, so although I admire and covet Live Steam, my interests are more into electric traction, and perhaps petrol as the motors are already built!

I own a 2" model of a New Zealand Railways 6 coupled diesel mechanical shunter that I run on 7& gauge track both at "Kapiti Miniature Railway" in Paraparaumu, New Zealand, and also at our recently completed 7& gauge bush tramway at home. I live on nearly 4 acres and just this week my wife drove home the last spike on our first 570 foot loop of 7& at home. I have also built a 0-4-0 battery electric tram based on the NE style tram. This is 7& gauge of course, and manages three adults and two kids without too much bother on our club track. It struggles with three adults at home tho as my gradients are more in tune with a tramway than a miniature railway. I am also building a petrol electric A1A-A1A loco based on the New Zealand Da style loco, which was essentially a 3'6" gauge G-12.

There is quite a strong movement in 7& here in New Zealand with many clubs located throughout the country, and some very enjoyable lines to run on. Some are very scenic, and for a small country of under 4,000,000 people I think we are very spoilt.

Looking forward to enjoying the comraderie we can experience in this global community that egroups, and the Internet, allows us to participate in.

Grant and Donna Alexander
C/- Squirrel Valley Railway

PS, we also have a Garden Railway in "G", and this is what my web site mostly shows.

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:06:29 +1300
From: "Grant and Donna Alexander"

Subject: Photo's from Squirrel Valley.



I have uploaded some photo's of our Squirrel Valley Bush Tramway to the files on the 7-plus-NGM website. They are in a separate folder located at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7-plus-NGM/files/Squirrel%20Valley%2C%20New%20Zealand/

Grant and Donna Alexander
C/- Squirrel Valley Railway

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:05:32 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Material for Cylinder Castings?



Curtis: What portion of the world do you occupy? I presume Rudy van Wingen got this as one in the 7 + circle: remembering his past comment on using a South of the Border (Mexico - not South Carolina) foundry for neat castings for Como Roundhouse stuff, if you are a west(far, far out) coast person, Rudy may well be opf help.

Cam Brown

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:32:49 -0500
From: "Rich D."

Subject: Re: Material for Cylinder Castings?



Curtis,
This sounds very, very interesting, h'mmmmm.
Have you investigated shell mold resin sand? A local fellow here do this for very nice finish castings. Cores are tricky, of course. Material of choice for cylinders is most definetly grey iron. Modern materials have not beat this one for durability and self lubrication. Virtually maintenance free and will outlast you. I have NO doubt. I have run whole weekends will only water lubrication by mistake. Ductile iron is ok, but the graphite has been reduced. Bronze is ok, but will wear too much in a frequently used machine of your size.
Stainless, if not kept lubricated, will seize up.
Plain ole grey iron is good stuff.
Rich D.

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:50:36 -0700
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Re: Photo's from Squirrel Valley.



Dear Grant:

Welcome, those are very interesting photos. They make me want to go out and get digging, at least after I get my shop cleaned up. What are you using for rail?

Mike Decker
Erskin Tramway (7-1/2"), Hot Springs, South Dakota

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:21:36 +1300
From: "Grant and Donna Alexander"

Subject: Re: Photo's from Squirrel Valley.



Hi Mike,

Thanks for your comments on the Squirrel Valley Photo's.

For rail I use rolled edge steel bar. It's 10mm wide and either 25mm or 30mm deep depending on how wealthy I feel when ordering it, or what I can beg steel or borrow from other sources. These come in lengths of 6 meters. These measurements are probably close to 1" or 1&" deep by 1/3 inch wide, by 20 feet long in imperial. This is pressed into wooden sleepers, 2" by 2" by about 1'4" long. These sleepers are pressure treated pine and are supposed to be on 6" centres but occasionally are a little further apart (oops). And as you can see I have yet to ballast most of the line, it will be ballasted in a fine crushed gravel.

Grant and Donna Alexander
C/- Squirrel Valley Railway

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:02:18 -0800
From: George Potter

Subject: Re: Material for Cylinder Castings?



Hi Curtis,

I have a 2 1/2" scale model of a Baldwin 440 (8-20-C) that I built, mostly from scratch. I had started a cylinder pattern for it, and then found cylinders from Dave Conway (for his NG Mogul). These cylinders are "loose" meaning that I had to fill in the blanks between the cylinders (dummy split saddle, etc.) Overall, these turned out pretty good.

If you are interested, I can supply some more information on what I did, and possibly even take a picture or two of the final assembly on the loco.

Regards,
George Potter
Placerville, California

Overall they turned out very good (in my opinion)

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:08:41 -0800
From: Russ Wood

Subject: Re: Introducing Grant Alexander



Grant,

Doesn't sound like your any beginner I can think of, welcome aboard.

russ@hobby-tronics.com

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:50:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Raymond Davis

Subject: material for cylinder castings



Curtis, There is a Web site called The Home Founderymens Assoc. They have a discussion group called Hobbycast. They can tell you what you need to know. Some of the guys are professional metal casters and some are in the business. The address for it is

http://members.nbci.com/Hwilkinson/index.htm

Ray Davis
Athens, Tx

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:36:46 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: looking for plans of the following D&RGW



CRP has copies of the original Davenport blueprints (#50) and some data on the cars; we also have photos of the locomotive and the cars for details not shown on the plans.

You have received a lot of responses to your inquiry already and may no longer need additional data, but if you are short on some you may want to write to us directly.

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:36:32 -0000
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: looking for plans of the following D&RGW



Hi Dave,

I too have a lot of black/white photos, I once collected. If you are interested, I can email them to you.

And the plans, which Rudy mentioned, are really good, I have a set of them here for future plans.

Hubert
Moderator

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:49:57 -0800
From: "Daniel & Marianne"

Subject: Re: (unknown)



Steve Easlon email address is: caborn@hdo.net Steve and LoAnn live near Alturas, CA at present. Just got his #50 0-4-0 2 1/2" scale Diesel from him last September, and awaiting trucks and couplers from him at present time.

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:51:21 -0000
From: szdonick@mediaone.net

Subject: squirrel valley tram



Hmmm, that tram looks very similar to the design at Jim's Live Steam. I wonder how many of them have been built from Jim's plans. We have a gas/hydraulic version running at our club. I have spoken with Jim, I'm sure he's be flattered to see another one built from his design.

Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:22:15 -0600
From: "Mudhen"

Subject: Re: Yahoo Take Over



Just wondering if this list was still operating since Yahoo! took over. It seems rather quite.

Mark Petersen

Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:29:38 -0600
From: therbert@zibex.com

Subject: RE: Yahoo Take Over



I'm on several lists taken over by Yahoo, and have had no problem at all.
But there has been a tremendous amount of mail on other groups, from people that have had lots o' trouble...
We'll see...

Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:07:37 -0500
From: "Rich D."

Subject: Re: Yahoo Take Over



Mark and listees,
I found out by experiment the trick to converting correctly.
For anyone that wants to access their old setup, do this:
At the "Convert" page enter your old e/m address and password as in Egroups.
This goes to the Yahoo new username password page. DO NOT enter a new u/n & p/w.
Enter your old username (that's before the @yourisp.com) and old password.
Hit OK and you will get the confirmation page and your in.
In case you don't know, Egroups required your complete E/M address to log on.
Yahoo is now only username + password. All your groups and settings will be as before.
Rich D.

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:13:32 -0000
From: Dgligg@aol.com

Subject: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



Help

Want to build very detailed cabooses on a small production basis. Have talked with a manurfacting company that makes a basic metal Caboose.
Need to know who porduces vertical lined sheets to similate the exterior siding. In one of the articles, it tells about using "commercially-scribed wood".
What about interior pices (furniture? I plan on constructing most of the items but, would be nice if somene had a complete print or a book on the subject!
Also,hardware will be requred you know; side, end handrails ad all the other items that set off a Caboose.

Thanks

Doug

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:06:05 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



Buy a good set of plans for a prototype caboose and then visit a few at your nearest museum. Most that I have seen were pretty sparse on the inside. Almost all the "furniture" was built in.

Do you have any particular prototype in mind?

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 08:18:44 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



Doug,

The "scribed wood" you refer to is most likely the material available for HO to G scale size trains. As far as I know all grooved siding for the larger scales is done by the individual builder.

Same for handrails, ladders, grabirons etc. I believe it's a scratchbuilder's world for wood cabooses.

There is a 4" scale wood caboose in the web site below.

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Tuolumne, CA, U.S.A.
http://www.mlode.com/~jdmd/train.htm

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:58:10 EST
From: DFWSVW@aol.com

Subject: Re: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



Doug,
I would agree with Jim Hoback's message to you. If you plan to go commercial with material preparation then your cabinet maker or commercial vendor should be able to come up with a plan to rout the grooves. I have always used a handrouter jig and individually routed each and every darn little groove with a 1/16" bit and then hand sanded each groove afterwards to remove the fuzz. Yes, it is a lot of work but unless you have a large vacuum table for holding the plywood sheet down and a CNC machine to rout all the grooves what else can you do? I have not had good success with using a table saw. I'm not sure how effective an overhead pin router would be. There may be others ideas out there that people in the trade might know of.

I have also used marine plywood for all my cars since it contains more laminates per given thickness which increases the strength of the project. It is more costly and that could be an issue with a commercial product. For the sake of those of us who like to do the best we can, please write out your production specifications to have a good product at a reasonable price and not an inexpensive (cheap) product which would have a limited live span and have the same appearance.

Doug from Seattle

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:12:11 EST
From: Dgligg@aol.com

Subject: Re: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



Stan:

This Cabooses I would like to construct brought up the rear of freights of the Minneapolis, St. Paul & Sault Ste. Marie R.R. better known as the Soo Line. These Cabooses have very attractive lines and would look as appropriate behind a Mogul as behind a diesel.
Thanks for your input!

Doug

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:21:48 EST
From: Dgligg@aol.com

Subject: Re: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



Doug:

Thanks for your insight! I've looked into C.N.C.'s. for routing the vertical grooves, cutting out window and door openings. But the lower cost models are using DOS for programing. I would prefer Windows 98 but that complete unit is a lot more costly and hard to justify the purchase!
I suppose I could design a routing fixture for the groves and use my hand router.

Doug

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:30:56 EST
From: Dgligg@aol.com

Subject: Re: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



Doug:

Have you ever use OSB Board for car siding. Its a laminated plywood with an exterior grade paper. I talked with one old timer that has been in Live Steam since 1954. He tells me that is what he always used for construction of cars. It's the same type of board the sign painters use. It can be painted and scored for vertical siding.

Doug
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:57:09 -0500
From: "Rich D."
Subject: Re: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.

A hobbiest I met in NC showed me a homemade V grooving plane he made of aluminum and a HSS lathe bit. The whole thing was only about 1/2" x 2" and the sole plate had a male V behind the bit to help guide the plane. In use it was guided by a straight edge jig to step and control the line. The plane was really just a mini version of a simple full sized one with the changes need to hold the square bit with the corners vertical and laid back to give the correct V angle. The tip was very sharp angle to give a good cut. The results were impressive.
I will build one next time I built a caboose.
Rich D.

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:49:35 -0000
From: dmmcomo@socal.rr.com

Subject: Re: Yahoo Take Over Instructions...



Rich -

Where the "H" were you 24 hours ago when I spent about 45 minutes figuring out what you just printed...???

Would've been nice if they had warned us! The first time I went to the site I exited 'cause I thought I'd been sent to the wrong page,,,

Sure glad some of out members are on the ball!

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:29:58 EST
From: btflco@aol.com

Subject: Re: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



Yeah and I hear it has a near scale operational pot belly coal stove!

Jeff Badger

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:50:01 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



What Scale? What gauge? If full size d, remember that one does not have to tail a caboose, so there goes your market!

CB

Woops! Scale and gauge on the trail off my screen. Sorry for the zap.

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:26:52 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



Jeff,

Uhhhh, it was to have one but it never was installed. Therefor the stove is still in my shop while the caboose is now in Indiana. Oh well.

Cheers,

Jim

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:16:05 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: Re: Yahoo Take Over Instructions...



Rudy:
I gather that E-groups has been taken over by YAHOO. What's this about converting? Do I heed to re-up? I saw the message about converting, but as I had no idea of its' meaning, I just passed over it.
Howard Springer

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:19:09 EST
From: btflco@aol.com

Subject: Re: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



Oh good. That means there may still be hope for another caboose with it inside?

Jeff

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:02:52 -0600
From: therbert@zibex.com

Subject: RE: Caboose building info. required 1/8"scale-7 1/2"Ga.



OSB is Oriented Strand Board; It is the particle board with the really large flakes and orange edges that you see used for roof decking in most new house construction. IMHO, it is crap, and should never be used on any surface that you will see.

I think what he was talking about is MDO (Medium Density Overlay) plywood. That is the plywood with the paper overlay used by sign makers. It is really good stuff, and very expensive.

I have another suggestion for the scribing--use a Dremel tool with the router base. it is not as noisy, much lighter and therefore less tiring to use, and just as capable of scribing the panel lines on plywood. and I don't know of any modeler, regardless of gauge and scale, that doesn't have one. you should be able to pick up the router base and v-groove or veining bit at your local Home Depot or Lowe's. You still have to use a guide of some type, but because of the smaller physical size of the tool, you can probably do the scribing after the car body is assembled, less moldings and detail parts.

Tom Herbert
Houston Area Live Steamers
Katy, Texas, USA

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:28:59 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Actual pictures of my caboose



Hello all,

attached are two photos, as my caboose looks today.

I shot the photos last friday, as we had a nice weather for a couple of moments.
Hubert



Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:09:10 -0900
From: Durand Family

Subject: Re: Digest Number 232



AMEN to Tom Herbert's comments. Never use OSB for anything except framing and roof sheathing where it will be weather tight. I have used MDO board for years, because I pick up scraps from a local sign shop. It perfectly simulates sheet metal when painted properly because the surface is wavy. I would not use it for a simulated wood siding but it would make ideal substrate for the rest of the car.
You can paint vertical shade lines on a flat sheet of MDO board and it will pass for grooved siding from three feet away and it photographs nice too. Do not use gloss paint unless you want the ripples to show as they do on a steel car surface.

There is a prototype for that trick too. Some interurban cars wanted to update to corrugated horizontal stainless siding. It was too expensive, so the paint shop painted horizontal aluminum stripes shaded in gray and from five feet away on the prototype you could not tell the difference. When some one would reach out and touch the car, an incredulous look would appear on their face and then everyone else would have to run over and give it a feel. See this trick at the Illinois State Railroad Museum.

I do have some small detail parts cast in tough plastic, DC electrical connector boxes, brackets for flags and class lamps. Send an SSAE for sample and literature to Pat Durand

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:28:03 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Actual pictures of my caboose



Hubert,

Sehr netter Dienstwagen! Kein Zweifel darüber ist Erbe, Westside, mit den waagerechten Seite-Brettern.

Grüße,

Jim Hoback

Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:01:39 -0000
From: "Curtis S. Ferrington"

Subject: Follow up on Cylinder Material.



Goodday everyone,

Just wanted to thank all who responded, in and out of the E-mail group, to my request for information on cylinder casting materials. Grey Iron won. Not a surprise, but good to know it really is still best.

Thank you,
Curtis F.

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:49:22 -0600
From: "Mike Eorgoff"

Subject: Livesteamers List?



Up, down, or out of order?

MikeE

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:03:55 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Livesteamers List?



The majordomo programme at the university has problems with sending mail OUT.
Keith is trying his best to get it sorted.

You can get a months posting TO the list by sending a message to Majordomo@uwimona.edu.jm

leave the subject blank and type in the body

get livesteamers livesteamers.0101

That'll get you all of January.
It'll be a pain in the lower back to read it, but if you start at the bottom, you'll get the newest stuff.

Mind you, it's mostly questions if the list is down.

Cheers,
Arno

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 04:20:11 -0000
From: mike@accuratepower.com

Subject: Re: Actual pictures of my caboose



Man, I was a bit scared to look. Glad to see train pictures here. I thought it was another "Send us pictures of your can" (7-UP) thing,
Whew......MIKE