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7-Plus-NGM Digest January 2005

Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 23:20:01 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: RE: Sinsheim is approaching

Hi Trevor,

thank you for your wishes.

I will have a look for the Garrat and if I can get a good shot, I will post it here.

Hubert from Germany

Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:18:06 -0500
From: mrjcad@netscape.net

Subject: Placard

Hello - on tank cars several placards are posted; what is on them for: water, oil, gasoline, chlorine, ammonia?

Laurence Johnson

Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:35:06 -0700
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Re: Placard

Hi Lawrence:

I've uploaded a placard chart into the Files. The individual material that's being carried is identified by a four-digit number printed in the white rectangle in the center of the appropriate diamond, or sometimes in the "field" of the placard. The number for Oil, Petroleum, is 1270, for Gasoline, 1203, for Chlorine, 1017, and for Ammonia, anhydrous, 1005. There's no code or placard required for water, account it's not hazardous, unless you can't swim :>) Hazardous cars are required to be placarded on both sides and both ends.


Mike Decker

Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 01:55:52 -0000
From: "Trevor Heath"

Subject: Help needed to find drawings


Does anyone know of someone who has or is planning to build in any gauge a model of a K.U.R. (Kenya and Uganda Railway) Class EB3 4-8-0 tender loco. (Later they were called the 24 class).

The prototypes were built in Manchester by the Vulcan Foundry.

We are in need of copies of some the drawings to help return one of the prototypes to service.

The story is that a "Model Engineer from England" aquired the drawings from the Kenya Railways drawing office in Nairobi, probably in the 1980's.

Alternatively does anyone know where the Vulcan Foundry drawing archives are kept?

Thank you
Trevor Heath

Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:17:18 -0800
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: New Years Day Live Steam Meets

Images from three meets can be found at

www.livesteaming.com in the photo section.


Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:58:17 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: New Years Day Live Steam Meets

what happened to the beautiful paint job on Richard Ulin's 2-6-6 DSP&PRR?

I hope Chuck Hackett will go with the more colourful look.

Thanks, Trevor,

Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:31:05 +1300
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: Reliable source of electric motors

I have all been searching the net for a suitable Permanent Magnet DC motor to axle mount in my next motive power projects. I've used second-hand units before, but as this project is to be the first of at least two identical units - I would prefer to get a modern, new motor from a reliable source where I can go back to get more.

Trouble is most of the sites I have found are either OEM qty focused or the short-line surplus motors.
Any suggestions gratefully received.

Chris Draper
Winter Creek Bush Tramway

Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:14:24 +0100
From: "Poul Lerche"

Subject: SV: Reliable source of electric motors

Hi Chris,

Here is som link I use to permanent magnet DC motor for my Loco project,

Best regards,

Poul Lerche

Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:23:12 -0600
From: Tom Artzberger

Subject: Re: Reliable source of electric motors

You might want to check out my web site at www.pleshops.com. I build and sell a number of railroad products for 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 in scale including motors and complete axle assemblies and controls.

Tom Artzberger
Hartford Shops

Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:44:24 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: (Fwd) [7/8" Scale Railway Guild] Interesting live steam builder

Hello all,

I found the following mail of Steve King on the 7/8" Scale Railway Guild.
After looking over I think, it might be of interest for our members too:

This may be of interest to the budding machinists in the group... check out Mr Nystrom from Finland and all the information on his web page regarding his steam engine project. Although it is ride-on size, many of the ideas are applicable to 7/8". I found it when I was looking for info on poker type radiant gas burners. One thing I like about the fellow is that he is not afraid to try and fail with various ideas.
Also if you follow the link to his home page, he has a tool for scanning 35mm slides, which might be handy to some in tranferring old slides to digital.

Steve King

Your moderator

Hubert from Germany

Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:09:19 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: (Fwd) [7/8" Scale Railway Guild] Interesting live steam builder

Jan-Eric is a regular poster in and modeleng-list@kepler-eng.com , and has a 10 page article in the Jan/Feb 2005 issue of Live Steam Magazine.

You quote Stephen King "Although it is ride-on size ..."
Just you guys wait 'til he converts his Märklin Z-gauge in his coffee table to live steam!

BTW, his web pages are shown in his regular signature lines:

Jan-Eric Nystrom, animator, ferroequinologist
Helsinki, Finland
E-mail: animato@sci.fi
Animation Web page: http://www.sci.fi/~animato
Model Engineering & Live Steam Locomotive webpage:

" There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness' "

Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:11:19 +1300
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: RE: Reliable source of electric motors

Thanks for your help Tom & Poul.

Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:24:53 -0000
From: "eighthscale" <8thscale@cox.net>

Subject: Re: Harry Haas' Brake System

Trevor Heath posted this link on his livesteaming site.
I think it was referenced by Harry for his talk.

Dave in San Diego

Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:14:16 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd Butler"

Subject: Air Cylinders

I think that if you do a search for that company you will come up with what you want. One thing you will need is the number of the cylinder as they have many styles and types. Boyd Butler

Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:44:48 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: Air Cylinders

Reply to Boyd Butler: I just spent a while typing a reply on Harry Haas brake systems - and lost it when I tried to post it. How in heck do you move a reply to post it?
Howard Springer

Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:59:46 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: Air Cylinders

If you mean you were typing a reply in your e-mail program, check under "Sent Items" or similar title. If you are lucky, there is a copy of the e-mail you typed from when you heit Send.
Alternativly, It may be under "Draft Items".

If you mean you were typing in the Yahoo! Group reply window, that is a lost cause and you will need to retype the e-mail.

At least that is what my experience has been.

Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:29:01 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: Re: Harry Haas' Brake System

For Chris Draper:
The brake actuators are made by CLIPPARD. some of the part numbers Harry uses in the description published by Trevor Heath are obsolete.
P/N UDR-17-1-( ) 1" Bore, 1" Stroke, Double Acting. Pg 32 of their new combined catalog (CILCAT-0703)
Pressure regulator:
Plunger Operated Pressure Control (mounts beneath the brakestand):P/N MAR-1C, OR MAR-1CP (C version has 10-32 inlet port, CP version has 1/8-27 pipe inlet.) I depress the plunger with a brass eccentric - DO NOT exceed 7/32" stroke. Page 151
Check valve:
P/N MCV-2 (10-32 Ports.)
Air Valve (to manually release brakes):
P/N TV-3S (10-32 Ports) Page 119.
Also needed: 1/4ODx 1/8ID Urethane Hose (P/N 0804) , 10-32 to 1/8" hose barbs P/N 11752-1, and 1/8 NPT x 1/8 ID Hose (P/N 11924-1 Pages 336 & 337, 10-32 fitting gaskets P/N 11761-2 Page 342.
I believe the catalog is available at Tel (513)- 521-4261, or www.clippard.com.
I am in process of modifying my 2 1/2 scale - 7 1/2" gauge trucks to this system. If anyone wishes more info, feel free to contact me.
Eventually I will have a drawing and pics, but not yet.
Howard Springer (Mallaney Creek Logging Co. No 5)

Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:35:02 -0000
From: "jcborshard"

Subject: Re: Air Cylinders

I have found that the best protection against that kind of loss is to highlight the text, click "edit," "copy," then open a word processing window, click "paste," then "save as..." and enter an appropriate title, all before clicking "send" on what you have written. If your reply disappears instead of being successfully sent, you can reverse the process, highlighting and copying from your word processor, then pasting to a new reply box.

The problem has bitten me whenever I've kept a "reply" box open for an extended time, which apparently causes the upload link to time out [or something like that] and dump all my carefully edited text into a great abyss.
Good luck!

Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:57:09 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd Butler"

Subject: Howard Springer

First off Howard, when are we going to see you again at TM?
Second am sorry dont know what to do as I just hit new mail and then select the seven plus group, then do the normal email thing and then hit send.
Now moving along, am getting ready to run my engine, yes I do have one, onair next week and hope to bring it down the first meet at OTH.
And to the others, listen to Howard or ask him as he is very good with hydraulics and such, air included.
Boyd Butler

Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:52:43 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Harry Hass Air Brake System

Chris -
Have you seen my post directed to your question?
I seem to have a problem fitting the specified cylinder between the wheels and still obtaining enough usable stroke to do the job.
The cylinder is almost 7" long, eye to eye, and doesn't leave much room to actuate the linkage.
I have located one other cylinder that is much more compact, but it is pretty spendy (I understand about $50). I'll avoid that solution as long as I can.
Howard Springer

Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:04:41 -0000
From: "Harold"

Subject: Visiting Yuma, AZ during February, 2005

I was wondering if anything was going on that a 7 1/2" track gauge modeller from Canada could attend in the area. We have a vehicle and some travelling would not be a problem.

Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:51:24 +1300
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: RE: Harry Hass Air Brake System

Howard - Thank you very much for all the information - I have just got it today as well as this email.

Regards Chris

Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:12:16 -0800
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: New images

New images of Garratt's and South African loco's in South Australia

The last run of Baldwin #18 on the McCloud Railway.

The Polar Bear meet at TM

Can be found in the photo section of www.livesteaming.com

Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:32:42 -0000
From: "ncngrr"

Subject: Newbie question - wheels onto axles

What's the most popular way of attaching freight car wheels onto their axles? Press fit? Keyed? Other?

Colorado Springs

Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:03:53 EST
From: txsteamnut@wmconnect.com

Subject: Re: Newbie question - wheels onto axles

Allow a one to one and a half thou. press fit and put the axles in the freezer the night before. Put locktight on the axles and press them on and you are assured of a good lasting fit.

Vance Nickerson