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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:43:16 +1300
From: Grant Alexander

Subject: Progress at Squirrel Valley



We started laying the main station and yard area this weekend at Squirrel Valley, got the yard throat complete, and commenced the incline to the steaming bays and turntable. We hope to have the boxing ready for concrete in the turntable/steaming bay area by this coming weekend, then get the concrete poured. Before you know it we'll be able to load/unload visiting loco's and rolling stock without having to resort to a panel of track temporarilly supported on blocks of wood set at an angle between the car or trailer, and the railhead. Hopefully by Easter this will be complete. Maybe we'll have to get fast-drying cement!

We have made this recent unexpected progress as one of the local Model Engineering Cubs had some surplus track and turnouts, and more importantly my financial director allowed my to buy them. What a wonderfull lady she is, and it's our 20th Wedding Aniversary next week. Must buy something for her too!

Grant & Donna Alexander
Squirrel Valley,
New Zealand.

Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:51:55 +0000
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: Re: Progress at Squirrel Valley



Hey any more surplus track/turnouts for a trackless Aucklander?

Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:58:30 -0600
From: "Mike Eorgoff"

Subject: Re: Progress at Squirrel Valley



If you don't remember the financial officer, your track will be remelted into cookware!

Mike Eorgoff

Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:42:47 +1300
From: Grant Alexander

Subject: Re: Progress at Squirrel Valley



Yes Mike, noted! Please send me another reminder on the 12th Feb!

Grant.

Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 02:26:06 -0000
From: "boomer37321"

Subject: Chattanooga Society Of Model Enginners



Hey:

There's a new 7-1/2" Gauge 1/8th scale railroad going in just outside of Chattanooga, TN. Large hills and Valleys don't stand in the way of these track builders.Check out their GREAT WEB SITE. www.csme.livesteamtrains.com

Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:25:21 +0000
From: Mike Woodroffe

Subject: 15" Gauge Steam Loco Manufacturer Wanted



Hi All

I am looking for a U.K. based firm or individual who will take a part completed 15" gauge steam loco and finish it off.

I have a boiler, (made by Newton's) framework, driving wheels, cylinders and part completed valve gear (Hackworth).

The loco was originaly designed to be a Narrow Gauge style 0-4-2 saddle tank.

Any suggestions as to whom to talk to for prices etc would be most welcome.

Thanks

Mike

Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:55:26 -0000 From: "rowland49"

Subject: Hickory Ridge Supply



Has anyone talked to the folks at Hickory Ridge Locomotive & Supply Co. lately, or do you know if they are still in business? Phone and FAX just rings, emails have gone unanswered. Thanks for the help.

Rowland

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:38:14 EST
From: davidbreaker@aol.com

Subject: Many UpDates



Hi everyone,

a few weeks back I launched my website http://steamrail.8m.com and http://steam.to/railmuseum.
There was a few problems as people got the rail and museum for the different addresses muddled up. Above are the correct addresses. I have also just put up some new updates so check out the pages and enjoy the site. I have also added a free gift of a mouse mat you can order worldwide.

Of course I am still looking for more steam railway photographs to put on it. E-Mail them to me [see the site for details] please. Also vote on the Picture of the Month and see our E-JigSaw with 80 small pieces. We have a New mystery locomotive - see our mystery loco page. Again we are looking for pictures for a mystery loco, it can be of all or part of the loco, see the site for details.

Pictures can be of any steam loco, anywhere- we have none from continental europe so if you have any please e-mail them to me.

I will try to update every 2 weeks but if I have no pictures I can't.

David Breaker

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:23:56 -0500
From: brough_turner@nmss.com

Subject: Re: Many UpDates



Very nice!

There is one problem. I can't view the site using my Netscape Browser (NetscapeŽ Communicator 4.75 ). I did manage to view it by loading a copy of Microsoft Internet Explorer (v. 5.5). Are you using some Microsoft web page development software that only works with other Microsoft Products?

Thanks,
Brough Turner

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:39:23 EST
From: davidbreaker@aol.com

Subject: Re: Many UpDates



im using HTML on notepad, i have had a few probs wih netscape users, do you know how i can get round it?

david

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:19:54 -0500
From: brough_turner@nmss.com

Subject: Browser compatibility



David,
I'm certainly not an expert and it's almost two years since I last created a web site, but there are a bunch of site checking tools for free at:
http://www.anybrowser.com/
They'll give you some idea of what your site looks like in different browsers and if there are problems, what's causing the problem -- or at least that's the idea. I found it useful two years ago. There are also interesting tools available (for money) at netmechanic.com.

- brough

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:23:33 -0700
From: "David Johnson"

Subject: Railroad Clipart



Does anyone know where I could purchase some railroad clipart? I need it in a vector format, not bit map. I need steam locomotives, rolling stock, signs etc.

TIA

Dave Johnson

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:34:50 -0500
From: brough_turner@nmss.com

Subject: Re: Railroad Clipart



It's not quite clip art, but there's interesting stuff at
http://www.railfonts.com/

- brough

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:49:25 EST
From: davidbreaker@aol.com

Subject: Re: Browser compatibility



thanks

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:49:25 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: Hickory Ridge Supply



I would like to add my concern to Rowland's regarding Hickory Ridge. I have an outstanding order that has not been filled, and phone calls and e-mails have gone unanswered.

Bill Laird
General Superintendent of Operations
Wimberley, Blanco & Southern Railroad

Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 07:06:31 -0000
From: "rowland49"

Subject: Re: Hickory Ridge Supply



How long have they had your order, Bill?

Rowland

Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:49:37 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: Re: Hickory Ridge Supply



Roland,

I have several 2 1/2" couplers on order to be delivered one pair per month. Deliveries stopped last November.

Bill

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:00:57 -0000
From: "boomer37321"

Subject: Simulated Smoke.



Need someone to tell me how to develop simulated smoke for my pot belly stove that is in my 1/8th" Caboose. Starting to get ready for Mid-South in May.Can it be done?

Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:34:09 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Simulated Smoke.



Talk to any of the N through LGB gaugers, or a dedicated Hobby Shop about the Seuthe Smoke/Steam generators for 12V systems.
Arno

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:45:00 +1300
From: Grant Alexander

Subject: Re: Simulated Smoke.



I am also a "G" scaler, and thought about our smoke generators, but even for our piddly trains the smoke is nowhere near enough, so couldn't recommend this for your use. I had thoughts of putting a container in the chimney and poking some dry ice down there followed with a little water every now and then, but that's a real pain in the a*** to do, not real practical.

I talked to one of the theatrical types here but their smoke generators are a bit of a pain to run too, needing a fair bit of power to run, and mains power!

Grant and Donna Alexander
Squirrel Valley
New Zealand

Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:39:34 -0600
From: "Tim Jones"

Subject: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



Hi, My name is Tim and I'm new to this group.
I like 2-foot gauge and my favorite railroad is the Bridgton and Harrison. I have been thinking about building a model of #8 from Don Young's lucky seven plans. The locomotive would need some modification because the two sisters are a little different. The boiler would be of a wider diameter and #8 had a metal cab. This would be my first live steam project. I was thinking I could buy castings for the RMI 2-4-4. I was thinking about buying the machined kit for the RMI 2-4-4. I do not know if this would work for a lucky 7 frame though. If some one could give me some information on lucky 7 and converting the plans for B&H # or about my idea of using the RMI frame, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again, -TIM

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:02:39 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Re: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



Tim -

I suggest you go to and look at what some serious maine 2' modelers have done with their #7. I have seen hours of videotape on their operations and I can tell you that she is a very powerful and successful locomotive.

I used to be in tough with the fellow (Tom Casoer) that normally operates #7 but he got laid off last year and his email no longer works. You might try emailing Mel Caswell but so far he has always ignored my emails...

Also, Dave Rohrer works for RMI and has built another very successful version of this locomotive. Write to Paul or William Garin and perhaps they will put you in touch with Dave.

Rudy van Wingen

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:15:31 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Re: Simulated Smoke.



The dry ice idea of Mr. Alexander's won't work in any case 'cause the vapor that forms is heavier than air and will not rise up the stack.

As long as you are not too intent on keeping a completely scale interior to your 'boose, you can build a small fire box to hold some of the dry solid fuel pellets used to fire the toy steam engines sold in most hobby shops. Above the fire box build a removeable oil container that can be indirectly heated by the dry fuel so that the oil will smoke but not burn; this should give you plenty of smoke for periods of fifteen to twenty minutes at a firing, perhaps longer if you can figure out how to hopper feed the pellets and oil.

Good luck and if it works post some photos!

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:42:44 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: Simulated Smoke.



Boomer,

Contact Roll Models. I know that they have put smoke generators in electric powered steam locomotives for use on indoor tracks.

Bill Laird
General Superintendent of Operations
Wimberley, Blanco & Southern Railroad

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:21:49 -0800
From: "Ronald Koehler"

Subject: Re: Re: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



I tried to long on the website and could not get it.

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:14:42 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



Rudy,

could that problem derive from the @home conversion>

If you know where the fellow was located, it may work if you replace the @home with the actual providers name (e.g. Verizon).
Here in Toronto it usually works if @home is replaced with @rogers.ca and in Vancouver Island with @shaw.ca

In any case, the URL you are quoting also suffers from the exite@home bankruptcy.
Arno

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:06:54 -0600
From: "Tim Jones"

Subject: Re: Re: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



Thanks very much Ronald for the information. I have been on that website before, and for some reason, it hasent been working lately. Maybe they changed their address. Thanks again -TIM

Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:40:23 -0000
From: "fredhaskey"

Subject: Re: Simulated Smoke



Hi,
I saw this in the Micro Mark ad in the March, 2002 Model Railroader:

http://www.dxmarket.com/micromark/products/82602.html

Quoting from the ad:

"Our fan driven smoke generator operates on 6-12v DC (draws 1/2 amp) and creates more smoke then traditional heater-coil type units."

Sounds like this might bear investigation. Only drawback I can see is accommodating the shape of the unit.

---john.

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:50:14 -0800
From: Greg & Susan Robinson

Subject: GSQ Web Site Update & TOUR info



The Grand Scale Quarterly web site has been updated.
More photos. Current issue. New links.
http://www.grandscales.com/

You are also invited to join us in England this Sept.
http://www.grandscales.com/tour2002/index.html

Thanks, Greg

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:54:37 -0000
From: "frolinmarek"

Subject: Re: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



Rudy,

The web-site for the 'Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake RR' went off-line with the @home and Excite bankrupcty. This was as of maybe two months ago. Have emailed with Mel and at this time, no new web-site is setup yet.
But hopes are in the early Spring else sooner.

Frolin
MMRR

Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:44:37 -0000
From: "npellew"

Subject: Subject: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7

.

Hi Tim
I'm currently building a 7.25" gauge Maxi Lucky Seven to Don Young's drawings. I have just completed the motions & run with an air test. During fabrication no castings were used. Instead either steel sections flame cut, steel fabrications or solid blocks of cast iron used. Mind you machining 2 off 8" x 8" x 7" blocks for the cylinders was an interesting machining exercise.
If you want photos to help in your decision just advise.

Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:29:53 -0600
From: "Mike Eorgoff"

Subject: Re: Subject: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



If you decide to send photos, could you put them into the group's photo section in a folder?

Mike Eorgoff

Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:05:34 +0000 (GMT)
From: nigel pellew

Subject: Re: Subject: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



Message understood.
If problems will seek advise.
rgds
Nigel

Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:21:19 EST
From: Rsmeliterailer@aol.com

Subject: Re: Subject: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



Hi,
My name is Nate, I am currently building the 7.25" Mini Lucky 7, I hope to eventually build a Maxi Lucky 7 for 15" Gauge at my one club (www.rsme.org) with my friend. If you have any advise or anything I would greatly appreciate it. Thank You.
Nate

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:00:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: nigel pellew

Subject: Re: Subject: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



Funny, also in the RSME but in UK.
Tried to visit you boys some 3 years ago when I was in Somerset NJ on assignment. Thought I had got the address but it turned out to be for the club secretary, then got lost trying to follow directions. No time for another attempt before returning to UK but looks good on the website.

15" that'll be some 23' in length.
Even chain blocking items into position on my 7.25" #7.
8" pistons mmmmm hope you have a big lathe & mill to cope.
Flame cutting will make things easier though.
Frame will be easy then as mainly girder work but jig things to prevent distortion whilst welding.
Suggest the main frame joint flame cut instead of casting.
They can cut to 10" thickness with plus/minus 1/8" accuracy at a decent workshop, then just a light grind to clean like some 6" pieces I had cut.
Other wise best of luck.
If Don Young's drawings then very accurate. Just a hiccup on the 4 wheel rear axle set to date.
rgds
Nigel

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:39:28 -0000
From: "bill98762002"

Subject: Re: 2.5 Archbar Trucks



The wheel dimension listed in the catalog is an error. They actually have 26" scale wheels. There is also an error in the drawing in that they use two springs per side, not three.
Bill Donovan (owner of Real Trains)

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:44:37 -0000
From: "bill98762002"

Subject: Re: 2.5 Archbar Trucks



They are now in stock. We are now filling back orders but should be up to date by the end of the month. Our web site is currently being updated and a lot added.

Bill Donovan (owner of Real Trains)

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:47:27 -0000
From: "bill98762002"

Subject: Re: 2.5 Archbar Trucks - they have scale 28 inch diameter wh...



Howard,

We make steel wheels in various standard sizes and can make anything on a custom basis. The come fully machined. We are at sales@realtrains.com.

Bill Donovan

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:56:37 -0000
From: "bill98762002"

Subject: Re: 2 1/2" NG archbar trucks



Several years ago a number of people discussed standards for 2 1/2" and 3 3/4" scales. Basically most people operating this equipment run it on 1 1/2" scale tracks and must operate through their switches, etc. This pretty much limits what can be done. What we do is use the same wheel design (angles, radius, flanges, etc.) that we use in 1 1/2" scale but make the wheels wider. They really don't need to be wider but do not look "correct" if they are left too narrow. Our wheels are a scale 6" wide.

Bill Donovan

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:33:20 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: Subject: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



where do you get these drawings?????

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:36:12 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: 2.5 Archbar Trucks



I tell you Pigeon Cove Studios....
Pair of arch-bat trucks for $275. Can't beat the price.....
With roller bearings at that.....
Nice Job

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:45:17 -0800
From: "Pat@Sn3.org"

Subject: Re: Re: 2.5 Archbar Trucks



Are they 2.5" scale? Either way how about some more details on them such as web site, email address, phone #, address. In that order preferably?

Pat Turner

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:22:33 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Check out Phinneas T Phlatt Homepage



Click here: Phinneas T Phlatt Homepage

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:25:52 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: 2.5 Archbar Trucks



Tell Em' Chris Sylvester from Rochester, Piscataqua, Northern New England Railroad & Navigational Company

Sent You.....

Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:04:14 -0800
From: "Pat@Sn3.org"

Subject: Re: Check out Phinneas T Phlatt Homepage



OK, now I know what you are talking about. This is on my short list of things to get soon!

Pat Turner

Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:28:29 EST
From: GMEYER6103@AOL.Com

Subject: Re: Re: 2.5 Archbar Trucks



Thank you Bill, for the information on the 2.5 inch scale wheel diameter and the number of springs in the trucks. I had wondered about both of those things while looking thru your catalogue. I expect to purchase some of your cars in the near future. I have two 60 inch long flat cars and a locomotive on order from Roll Models now. The wheels on their trucks are 6 inches in diameter, which I believe are about a scale 29 inch wheel in 2.5 inch scale which I believe are about three scale inches to large in diameter to be typical of three foot gauge. I have wondered if the 2.5 inch scale couplers you produce will mate with the 2.5 inch scale couplers that RMI produces. I have also wondered if these couplers were compatible regarding height above the rail when mounted on their respective cars.......

Gary Meyer

Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:23:58 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: Re: 2.5 Archbar Trucks



Does Pigeon Cove Studios have a web site?

Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, TX

Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:31:32 -0800
From: "Pat@Sn3.org"

Subject: Bending Rail?



Anyone know a good way to bend rail to a 25' radius without a rail bender? If not does anyone in the Atlanta area have one I could bend about 10 pieces with?

Pat Turner

Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 01:58:37 EST
From: GMEYER6103@AOL.Com

Subject: Re: Re: 2.5 Archbar Trucks



Bill, do they have 2.5 inch scale archbar trucks?....Gary Meyer

Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:18:54 -0000
From: "npellew"

Subject: Subject: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



I got my Maxi Lucky 7 drawings from http://www.fotec.co.uk/mehs/reeves/'. I don't think these are listed in their catalogue. These are Don Young drawings.

Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:27:07 EST
From: yrfavsob@aol.com

Subject: Re: Subject: 3.75" scale live steam lucky 7.



Lucky 7 drawings are in the Reeves 2000 catalog drawing set 13/501, both scales are dimensioned on the drawing set. Just received Montaineer drawings from them on Friday. Contact them via the internet - easy to deal with.

Dennis
S. Calif.

Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:56:52 -0000
From: "crown36gage"

Subject: Re: Simulated Smoke.



One wooden caboose, one wooden match...........

HVAC engineers use titaniumtetrachloride to make thick white smoke to check ventilation systems. But it is an acid that comes in a little glass vial that you break inside a plastic bottle. Highly corrosive and not a good thing to breathe since it is labeled poisonous (it says "not to be used to check respirators"!!!). Used with caution,it might be worth an experiment. The plastic bottle could be activated and the whole bottle placed inside the stove with the top open. I have a bottle labeled Regin HVAC Products, box 2851, Stamford, CT 06906. Phone (203) 323-0115. Bottle is 2" dia. x 5" high, so you might have to "pipe" the smoke in from somewhere else in the caboose. You might be able to get it through a local ventilation contractor who does testing.

Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:40:48 -0700
From: Terry & Sharon Miller

Subject: Re: Re: Simulated Smoke.



I highly recommend AGAINST anything-tetrachloride. There is a good reason it says: "Not to be used to test respirators." You have to ask yourself a question: Is smoke from the chimney worth any kind of accident with a corrosive poison? They outlawed carbon tetrachloride in fire extinguishers years ago and with good reason. Taking the chance with your health, or a child's health, just isn't worth the minimum rewards.

Good Luck,
STRR

Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:49:00 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: 2.5 Archbar Trucks



You'll find them listed in SteamingPriests web page for live steam suppliers.
Best Regards,
Chris Sylvester

Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:06:12 -0000
From: "crown36gage"

Subject: Re: Simulated Smoke.



Terry,

I understand your concern. Titaniumtetrachloride should be used under very controlled conditions. Rule 97: "When in doubt, take the safest route".
--Denis

Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:04:08 +0000
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: Track Standards



Greeting all,

I have been compiling a set of standards for my private railway and I post them here for comment.

Much of the data is based on IBLS data, with a couple of adjustments to allow for measurements taken at Manukau Live Steamers and data supplied by transport management at the Squirrel Valley Tram.

Please bear in mind that while this railway is for private use, with occaisonal visiting locomotives, it would be a real shame if someone couldn't run because of something overlooked in these standards.

PS: The first truckload of rail has arrived and tracklaying will commence this weekend. I will post photos as they come to hand. Any keen Gandy-dancers in the Auckland area are welcome to contact railway management!

Regards

Chris Draper

Straight Track, Straight leg of turnoutImperial
Inch
Metric
Millimetre
Comments
Track gauge7.25184.15Min
Flange width0.1563.96.
Flange Depth0.1874.75.
Wheel Gauge7.19182.63+0 - 0.5mm
Back to Back6.87174.5+0 - 0.5mm
Wheel Check7.031178.59 .
.
Min Flangeway0.194.83= Track Gauge - Back To Back/2
Max Flangeway0.3198.1= Track Gauge - Wheel Check + Clearance allowance
Rail Check Gauge6.393162.38=Track Gauge - Max Flangeway x 2
.
Curved Track,Curved leg of turnoutImperial
Inch
Metric
Millimetre
Comments
Track gauge7.5190.5Min
Flange width0.1563.96 .
Flange Depth0.1874.75 .
Wheel Gauge7.44188.98+0 - 0.5mm
Back to Back7.12180.85+0 - 0.5mm
Wheel Check7.281184.94 .
.
Min Flangeway0.194.83= Track Gauge - Back To Back/2
Max Flangeway0.3198.1= Track Gauge - Wheel Check + Clearance allowance
Rail Check Gauge6.643168.73=Track Gauge - Max Flangeway x 2

Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:19:05 -0800
From: "Daniel F. Morris"

Subject: Amtrak/UP Quick Time Movies



I have posted two QT movies taken today at Argo along the BNSF in Seattle. The first is the SB UP garbage train and the second is Amtrak's "Cascade" at speed SB. A clear day in Seattle which is a extremely unusual happening!

http://www.sscom.org/UP.mov

http://www.sscom.org/Cascade.mov

Enjoy!

Dan Morris

Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:27:43 -0800
From: "Quentin Breen"

Subject: Re: Track Standards



Chris:

Equally important is to establish right of way standards before you start laying track. I spoke to a club last week that is starting to lay track for a 7.5" narrow gauge railroad, and they had not decided on a minimum right of way width and did not think it necessary. In the case of minimum width for trestles, consider that a train might be stalled and that the passengers might have to walk from the middle of the trestle. Suppose one of those passengers weighs 300 pounds or is eight months pregnant?

The same goes for minimum bridge/tunnel clearance, minimum curve radius and all the rest.

Just a thought.

Quentin Breen
Train Mountain

Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:35:04 +0000
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: Re: Track Standards



Thanks for your comments Quentin. Yes I have prepared standards for right of way seperately.

Chris

Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:53:10 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Re: Track Standards



Quentin -

Reading between the lines I believe that you are speaking of the JT&S RR 7-1/2" gauge, 2-1/2" scale railroad in Joshua Tree. Your discretion in not mentioning the name is appreciated.

However, not knowing who you got your information from (certainly not myself), your statement that we " had not decided on a minimum right of way width and did not think it necessary" is incorrect; we do have such standards and we do think they are necessary.

As to your comments about bridge clearances; you are correct in the need for standards to allow for problems on the bridges (and the same comments would apply to tunnels). JT&S gave long and hard thought to the problems you spoke of in our bridge planning, and decided to sacrifice some measure of safety and accessability in favor of scale model realism.

Our decision to go this route was based in part on the fact that in our situation we are able to control access to the railroad and we would not allow a grossly overwight, handicapped, or medically challenged person to ride on that portion of the the RR that could not deal with our limited access bridges. Very soon there will be signs posted at passenger loading facilities and the approaches to the affected areas.

Photographs of the new JT&S RR "HighLine" Bridge are posted on our website http://www.jtsrr.org.

Respectfully,

Rudy van Wingen, V.P.
JT&S RR CLUB & MUSEUM

Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:45:34 -0800
From: "Pat@Sn3.org"

Subject: Re: Re: Track Standards



Rudy, would it be possible you post your groups standards for all to see? Or possibly post them on the JT&S web site.

Pat Turner
NMRA/SER Piedmont Div. Super.

Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:19:47 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Re: Track Standards



Pat -

I will get on it with our Webmaster; it may take a few days to implement as he is still working on some of the postings for our Spring Meet last weekend.

One must wonder just what interest an "S" and "O" gauger would have in 7-12" gauge 2-1/2" scale standards...thinking of getting into the big stuff?

Good suggestion, though!

Thanks,

Rudy van Wingen, V.P.
JT&S RR Museum & Club

Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:23:37 -0800
From: "Quentin Breen"

Subject: Re: Re: Track Standards



Rudy:

My information was based on an informal conversation with one of the guys working on the trestle. Obviously, I was talking to the wrong end of the horse. In the future I will be sure to speak to the horses mouth on questions of standards and such. The new trestle is a stunner and your club is to be congratulated for a job well done. You are on the way to having the most realistic narrow gauge railroad in the hobby.

Quentin
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:28:18 -0800
From: "Pat@Sn3.org"
Subject: Re: Re: Track Standards

I already am. I have 1 1/2" scale equipment and working towards 2 1/2".
http://users2.ev1.net/~on30/LiveSteam.htm

Pat Turner
NMRA/SER Piedmont Div. Super.

Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:07:07 +0000
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: Re: Re: Track Standards



I'm planning on building a Trestle approx 30ft long ranging in height from 2ft to 6ft. I intend to build as close to scale proportions as possible, but am concerned about strength for our overscale loads. Any information/wisdom you can supply would also be welcome

Chris

Date sent: 22 Feb 2002 13:09:21 -0000
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Subject: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM



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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:26:57 +0100
From: "Svend Hjorth"

Subject: Krauss model



I am bilding a model in 7 1/4" of a Krauss loko.

On http://80.62.81.183 you can se some pictures of the projekt and my starf.

Svend Hjorth

Denmark

Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:27:59 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Krauss model



Svend,

the URL above does not return anything on my browser.
Is it correct?
Arno

Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:20:26 +0100
From: "Svend Hjorth"

Subject: Re: Krauss model



i hace some problems with my web server today.

Pleas try later

svend hjorth

Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:57:00 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Bitter Creek and Western Web Site



Anyone know what has happened to the Bitter Creek and Western web site? I have been unable to access it lately.
I have tried www.thegrid.net/silverado/BCW/index.html/ and www.surfari.net and neither link works.

Bill Laird

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:35:49 -0000
From: "fredhaskey"

Subject: Re: Bitter Creek and Western Web Site



Have you tried http://www.bittercreekwesternrr.org / ?

---john.

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:55:29 -0000
From: "crown36gage"

Subject: Re: Track Standards



From the way the chart is worded, it appears that the wheelsets change gage going into a curve. You may have something patentable there. May we assume that one chart is for 7.25" gage equipment and the other is for 7.5"? Otherwise, looks like you are well "on track".
--Denis Larrick

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:13:34 -0800
From: "Daniel F. Morris"

Subject: QuickTime Movies



Again we have been experiencing unusually clear & cool weather the past few days. So here are a few glimpses of what I saw today.

1. SB Cascade near Argo on main #2 with slow orders due to another Amtrak train(inspection car train)
http://www.sscom.org/Cascade225.mov
2. BNSF's "Maltby Turn" with a Boeing Cradle car in tow near Lander St, Seattle skyline in the background.
http://www.sscom.org/Maltby225.mov
3. Amtrak's Inspection Car train (same one that held up the SB Cascade earilier) near Lander St.
http://www.sscom.org/Amtrak225.mov

Enjoy!
Dan Morris

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:59:41 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Hickory Ridge?



Anyone know the current status of Hickory Ridge Locomotive Works? They have not answered the phone or replied to e-mails for over a month now. Anyone know what is going on?

Bill Laird

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:44:37 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: Hickory Ridge?



Like all the others they get in over their heads...

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:45:36 -0600
From: "Tim Jones"

Subject: Lucky 7



Does anyone know anything about the 3.75" sclale Lucky 7?

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:20:57 EST
From: rainbowsat@aol.com

Subject: Re: Lucky 7



Reeves 2000 has the design for the Mini 7 and the Maxi 7. Their address is REEVES 2000

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:04:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Rowland

Subject: Re: Hickory Ridge?



I have been asking around also, Bill. One of our fellow hobbyist on another board said that they talked to the owner a couple of months ago and at that time they said that they were very busy. I've been thinking of writing them a snail mail and see if they find a few moments to answer it.

Regards,
Rowland

Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:22:43 +1300
From: Grant Alexander

Subject: Re: Hickory Ridge?



Do you guys have "registered" mail over there, that way when you send your "Snail Mail" you can be notified if and when it is delivered... Just a thought from way down-under.

Grant and Donna Alexander
Squirrel Valley
New Zealand

Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:10:58 -0800
From: "Linc Reed-Nickerson"

Subject: RE: Lucky 7



Tom,

I have prints and castings I bought from Power Model Supply before they had their disasterous fire. Two of us are working on SR&RL #10 using some of the castings as a basis since these engines were similar in some respects. One project is in the US the other in Australia.

How can I help?

Linc Reed-Nickerson

Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:37:30 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: Hickory Ridge?



Typical.....So much business no time for the people that paid...