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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:04:15 -0600
From: "Tim Jones"

Subject: 3.75" scale



Does anyone know which gauge 3.75" scale corisponds to. I know that 7.25 and 7.5 are very close gauges. But 1.5" scale is more or less correct for 7.25" gauge and 1.6" scale is more corect for 7.5" gauge then is 1.5"scale.
So, what I really want to know is which gauge is 3.75" scale better scaled to, 7.25 or 7.5? -TIM

Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:32:37 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: 3.75" scale



1.5" on 2' track.
Arno

Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:27:17 -0800
From: James Hoback

Subject: Re: 3.75" scale



Tim,

3-3/4" scale on 7-1/2" track is exactly 2' gauge.

Regards,

Jim
Sonora Short Line Ry.
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 09:35:09 -0500
From: locopart

Subject: Re: Hickory Ridge

?

Sorry to be so late getting back on this issue. Just got back from the florida runs.

Not wishing to get into a peeing contest here, but I am curious about the all-inclusive statement of "Like all the others...got in over his head." Does this imply that "all the others" means that all of the vendors to the live steamer are over their heads, and consequently providing poor, inadequate or non-existant service?

I sincerely hope that I am reading this incorrectly, as I know of several other vendors in addition to myself who make great efforts to serve the live steamer in the manner which we would like to be served. I take immense pride in the service I provide to my friends and customers. Yes, I know what I think you really meant in your statement.
I, too, have suffered the losses from dealing with those who really were over their head and had no idea what to do when the dam broke.

All I ask is that you please think about those you may be condemning when using an expression of all-inclusion such as "all the others."

don orr
LOCOPARTS

Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 20:50:27 -0000
From: "sharpo_uk"

Subject: 2002 Sinsheim Model Engineering Exhibition



Over 200 photos taken at the above show have been added to my web site. Hopefully you will find something of interest amongst them.
They cover 6 pages, the first is at:-
http://www.sharpos-world.co.uk/mainindx/mini/sinsheim2002/6/s61.htm

Cheers,
"Sharpo"

Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:42:19 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: 2002 Sinsheim Model Engineering Exhibition



What a great site. Thanks for posting it.
Arno

Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 01:51:17 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Re: Hickory Ridge?



Don -

Thanks; I wondered how best to say it and you beat me to it and said it all...

Rudy van Wingen
COMO ROUNDHOUSE PRODUCTS

Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:13:26 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: 2002 Sinsheim Model Engineering Exhibition



Hi Sharpo,

and no photo of your moderator running his train in Sinsheim :-(((((

Thank's for sharing with us, much better than the german TV, who only showed the 5" track area and some stationary steam-engines as well the steam-tractors, but no 7.25" track.

Hube

Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:21:50 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: 3.75" scale



In my own mind, and being a 7 1/4 " home club guy, for a couple of reasons I think of modelling 2 fters as being 3.6 " scale, or more easily 0,30 or 39 percent of any measurement on a prototype.

And, a really sacreligeous thought, if you follow scale on tire width, one is running about on snowshoes with an 1 1/4" to 1 1/2" wide tire and you will never run out of rail to run on. The late Don Marshall was never, or seldom, bothered by that awful 1/4" gauge that plauges the hobby. When I acquired his Woodstock RR #2, he cautioned me never to try to run it at a 7 1/2" club track 'cause her tire treads were just too narrow.

Cam Brown

Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:44:26 EST
From: btflco@aol.com

Subject: Re: Hickory Ridge?



Don, Rudy and the rest of our manufacturing friends,
Most of us on the consumer end are probably frustrated when a supplier does not answer us back, or when they do are honest about the delays. Most of us know that some of this live steam stuff is not just sitting on a shelf ready to ship. Sometimes we have to wait for enough orders to justify sending a pattern to be casted.

I remeber when Bill Donovan got behind a while back on his orders from Real Trains. Having been to their shop, I knew they were legitimate, and he as spoken out on these forums before. His injury slowed down production. It took awhile but he got caught up. Remember folks, some of these are one - two man operations, after the regular 8-5 jobs.

Now for Hickory Ridge not to reply or answer the phone is disheartening at the very least. Judging from their ads, they were poised to produce a lot of castings that have a justifiable market in our hobby. If they are having problems, then they need to advise their customers and stop giving them the shine. In 20 years of being in this hobby I have seen many come and go, or bought out, changed names, etc.

Not every producer of live steam products can be a RMI Railworks, or a Cannonball, or Mountian Car Company with several employees etc.

To end this I think that all of us consumers should just take a deep breath and be patient. In this world of instant gratification, the majority of live steam suppliers are not up to speed. Just remember - good things come to those who wait!

So Don, Rudy, and others, we need you, so keep up the good work (production and quality!) and hopefully the rest of us will simmer down a bit!.

Nuff said,
Jeff Badger

Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:24:15 -0800
From: "Daniel F. Morris"

Subject: Quick Time Movies



Newly posted is a shot of the SB Amtrak Cascade at Marysville, Wa. at 11:20 AM.
Again the weather has been unusally nice for the Seattle area.............................

http://www.sscom.org/Cascade3-3.mov

Enjoy!

Dan Morris

Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:58:47 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: 3.75" scale



Perhaps, you should select a good project nothing to BIG;
And think long and hard about the tracks in your local area...
rather than which is EXACTLY to scale....

Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:48:03 -0800
From: "Linc Reed-Nickerson"

Subject: RE: Hickory Ridge?



I noticed the last time the Hickory Ridge web page was updated was August, with a reference to things that were going to happen in September... It is now March, this is not a good sign.

Linc

Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 03:13:57 +0000
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: Re: Re: Track Standards



Well spotted!

Used the 7.5" specs as a starting point for the wider curved gauge. I guess the prototype in some countries would be very interested in self gauging wheelsets.... Imagine an Australian train moving from broad to standard to narrow gauge without stopping! (Time to knock off the coffee and correct my chart)

Chris

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:59:48 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re " - his reply regarding track standards



I have seen Chris's reply and "dlarrick's" name, but don't know where the standards are. I'd sure like to see a copy of them. (Even without the automatic gauging feature.)
Howard Springer

Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:20:27 -0000
From: "sharpo_uk"

Subject: Re: 2002 Sinsheim Model Engineering Exhibition



and no photo of your moderator running his train in Sinsheim

Hi Hube,

Sorry about that, those were all the photos I was given. If you have a photo of you & your train, I will add it !!!
I looked at your web site, then checked to see if it was amongst the few photos from 2001 that I never posted - but it wasn't there.

What can you (or anybody else) tell me about the loco seen here:-
http://www.sharpos-world.co.uk/mainindx/mini/sinsheim2002/6/608.htm
and at:-
http://www.sharpos-world.co.uk/mainindx/mini/sinsheim2001/41/9024.htm
I know nothing about the models, and Richard, who took the photos,
may not have much information about it.

Cheers,
"Sharpo"

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:52:48 -0600
From: "Mike Eorgoff"

Subject: Self gauging wheels



There was a company in Spain that had power operated re-gauging trucks. Used a transition section to accomidate the change in gauge. I believe that they were targeted at rail car operations. Lost the URL many computer crashes ago.

Mike Eorgoff

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:59:26 -0800
From: "Quentin Breen"

Subject: Re: Self gauging wheels



Russ:

I will have Carol print out the drafdt so that I can make a few revisions. I sense that the publication is finding its legs. Well done!

QLB

Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 01:54:56 +0000
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: Re: Self gauging wheels



You would want to make sure the regauging happened only in the special section of track!

Chris

Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:44:06 +0000
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: UK Visit



I will be in the UK on Business from March 11 to March 21 and would like to squeeze in a visit to one of the fine miniature tracks during the weekend. I will be mostly based in Stoke, but happy to travel anywhere in UK.

I am a 7.25" gauge modeller with a predisposition to narrow guage scales, and as I have just begun construction of my own track I am interested in any lines that may offer ideas I can bring home.

All those of you that know the UK better than I - If you were in my position which club would you attend?

Chris Draper
Winter Creek Tramline
Auckland, New Zealand

Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 05:46:15 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Re: UK Visit



Chris -

Be sure to look up Robin Falce; he has some really superb 2-1/2" scale equipment including a beautiful D&RGW C-16.

T.R. (Robin) Falce
No. 11 Beaton Close
Greenhithe, Kent DA9 9QN, England
1322-380936/FAX 1322-370636
trfalce@aol.com

Be sure to tell him that Rudy from Como Roundhouse Products sent you.

Enjoy!

Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 06:07:56 -0000
From: "barkasb1000"

Subject: Re: 2002 Sinsheim Model Engineering Exhibition



Sharpo,

please have a look at http://online-club.de/~feba/febaen70.htm. This page is from the builder of this machine.

greatings,

Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 05:56:12 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Re: Hickory Ridge? - Nuff said...



Thanks, Jeff...

However, a couple of added notes: Those of us in the production end should never take money up front if we are not prepared to deliver. I for one never ask for more than 25% deposit and then only when I know I am prepared to deliver. The balance is charged upon shipment when I know the shipping costs and the tracking information.

PayPal is a very good way to be sure that both parties are playing with an honest deck.

How come at least one person hasn't made a trip to Hickory Ridge's shop to have a look see at what is going on. You went to Real Trains and came away convinced that they are legit. Surely someone knows a friend that lives near enough to H.R. to pay a visit...

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 05:48:24 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Re: 3.75" scale - Don Marshall was never, or seldom,



The late Don Marshall was never, or seldom, bothered by that awful 1/4" gauge that plauges the hobby.

Yeah, but Hobbes - what shape did he leave their flangeways in?

Calvin

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:43:55 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: 3.75" scale - Don Marshall was never, or seldom,



Can't say re what Don's engines might have done to the flangeways. I'll have ti find a dedicated oldtimers either her or in Georgia as I know he ran several times down here about the time I was getting mixes up with the live steamer fraternity 10-12 years ago.. Isuppose the corallory would be true: he would be making harrow discs out of his wheels.

Guess I never told you my harrow disc story. When I lived below Pittsburg eons ago. Universal Cyclops a small specially steel maker were making said product out of a sandwich of a rerolled chunk of locomotive tire on each face of a thicker sheet of mild steel.Each day scores of old steamers were being scrapped and Universal would by the tires as a cheap source of hardened steel. Broke them up on a Rube Goldburg multiple hammer gadget that shattered them into bite sized pieces.

Back to your question: I'd love to hear from anyone on the flange/flangeway wear point. Didn't seem to bother Don much, an archtypical new Englander.

Regards!

C/H

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:45:24 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: 3.75" scale - Don Marshall was never, or seldom,



Just punched the wrong button and dumped reply to your ??? on flangeway wear.
I'll try again tomorrow.

C?H

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:05:29 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: 3.75" scale - Don Marshall was never, or seldom,



a 3-5 degree taper is best starting at the base of the flange/tire point...

Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 04:31:46 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Help needed...



My good friend Van Austin in the Salt Lake City are is building a Uintah RR #50 artiulated locomotive and needs some rerference materials. I am passing along his inquiry as a favor to him...

Rudy van Wingen

------------------------------------
Van Austin asks -

Does anyone have either of the publications that Mr. Vantuono refers to or access to any 1926 Railway Age issues?

-------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:41:50 -0500
From: "William Vantuono"
To: "Van O. Austin"
Subject: RE: Article from 1926

Railway Age is not archived on the web, but is indexed by the Business Periodicals Index and the Engineering Index Service, available in many libraries.

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Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2002 9:34 PM
From: Van O. Austin
To: editors@Railwayage.com
Subject: Article from 1926

Do you know of anyone that would have a 1926 index or even better any one who would have articles from that year available on the web. I am looking for an article on a 2-6-6-2 that Baldwin built for the Uintah Railway in 1926.
I would greatly appreciate any help you could give me.

Van O. Austin

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:38:12 +1300
From: "Hansen-Hill"

Subject: Re: Digest Number 494



Talgo - http://www.talgo.com/htm/productosancho2.htm

Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:59:25 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 494



Very interesting page, thanks.

Seing the gauge change demo, I doubt that:
[ ... ]
--
Arno

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:01:29 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Help needed...



R/C: Have youor your friend building URR #50 seen the Machines of Iron video of the Uintah including the initial test runs of this loco? Grand video!

C/H

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:38:06 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: Help needed...



Uintah #50 He should contact a gentleman by the name of Ross Grant at Pioneer Valley Live Steamers, Southwick, Mass...
He has built on in 1" Scale

If further info is needed, let me know

Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 19:01:45 -0800
From: "Daniel F. Morris"

Subject: Streetcar Quick Time Movies



Today in Seattle it was cold, but clear after snow hit yesterday. By noon, most all the snow was gone.

The movies are of the Seattle Waterfront Streetcar starting with two shots at Broad St. And lastly at Washington St as the streetcar starts street running. These cars are from the "Land Of Oz" ( Melbourne Australia ) and started running in Seattle in the summer of '82.

http://www.sscom.org/wfs1.mov

http://www.sscom.org/wfs2.mov

http://www.sscom.org/wfs3.mov

Enjoy!

Dan Morris

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:45:54 -0800
From: "cptrainman"

Subject: Re: Hickory Ridge?



REAL TRAINS HA! 24 MONTHS, AND NO TRAIN. THAT'S BS.
P.S. MY LOCAL CLUB

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:54 -0500
From: "Ken Wing"

Subject: Re: 1926 Railway Age



When I was in graduate school, the University of Pennsylvania Library had all the old bound volumes of Railway Age on their shelves. I would bet any university with an engineering school that was around in 1926 would have the same. Not everything worth knowing is on the web just yet.

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:08:20 -0600
From: Bob Webber

Subject: Re: Re: 1926 Railway Age



Not necessarily - my volumes of that year (the two halves each have their own volume) came from two different libraries in Chicago - so, it is very possible they were thrown out as "out of date" - which of course they are - if you're only interested in the newest developments.

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:57:24 -0500
From: "Casy Jones"

Subject: (unknown)



Hello anybody in NYC. I'm going to be in Manhattan on Mar 23rd-27th. I will be near the Times Square area. Does anybody have suggestions for anything livesteam or railroad related that might be of interest. I will have a couple days on my own to explore and play tourist. Any suggestions or contacts will be appreciated. Are the Long Island Live Steamers running at all this time of year?

Jim Gould, Ann Arbor, MI.

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:03:07 -0000
From: "chef8905"

Subject: Walschaerts valve gear.



Hello everyone,

I am at present trying to set the valve gear on the clubs locomotive and have hit a problem.

The problem is that although I have managed to get the valve timing just about right for forwards (ports opening at the right moment and having equal port opening at both ends of the slide valve) but when I move things into reverse the valve timing is completely wrong, so much so that the valve slams into the front of the valve chest and locks everything up solid! I have tried going for a middle point so that the running is about equal in both directions, but if I do this (you won't believe this) forward running is just possible but in reverse only ONE port gets opened! This means that it becomes a three legged race instead of four!

I have found the front and back dead centres usign a DTI so that should be pretty accurate (and is re-locatable everytime).

Has anyone any ideas how I can solve this problem? Time is short as we start the running season at Easter. So a quick fix is needed.

Thanks

Andrew

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:04:47 -0500
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: Walschaerts valve gear.



Andrew,
Do you have the locomotive set up for inside steam (piston valves) or outside steam (slide valve). For inside steam, the crank pin shoule lead the eccentric crank. For outside steam, the eccentric crank leads the crank pin. This makes a big difference when timing the locomtive. Also, check to see that the eccentric cranks have not rotated in the cranpin.

Bruce Mowbray
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:46:55 -0500
From: "RichD."

Subject: Re: Walschaerts valve gear.



Andrew,
It seems you may not have centered the valves in mid gear (where the motion should have no effect on its travel). After getting this right, do not ever readjust as this is not a timing issue.
Now find top dead center for each side and forward and rearward.
On one side at TDC adjust the return crank to line for line on the valve on the correct side and rotation for full gear (You will have to find which way is correct with respect to inside admission or outside).
Repeat for BDC then go onto the other side.
If the gear is built correctly and not worn out, reverse gear should work identical to forward.
No amount of adjustment will correct incorrectly built gear.
RichD

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:38:55 -0000
From: "chef8905"

Subject: Re: Walschaerts valve gear.



Hello everybody,

Thanks for the hints & tips, they will all be tried out in the next few days when I get chance to get to the club.

If anyone else has another answer to my question please send it through... as I said time is running out as we start running again at Easter. The locomotive has slide valves (outside addmission) and was serialised way back in 84/85 (I think) in Live Steam (for sure) under the article name of "Call me Elda".

Thanks again everybody.

Andrew

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:44:54 +0000
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: Calling M Green



Martin,

I received your kind offer to visit while in the UK, but your yahoo address keeps bouncing. Would you be so kind as to let me know what it should be. I cannot make it this trip, but plan on being back in the UK in about one month.

Regards
Chris Draper

Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:08:00 +0200
From: "Leon Kamffer"

Subject: Re: Walschaerts valve gear.



Have you tried using one of the free software to try and model the gear. The one I used in determining final dimensions for my 1 1/2 inch 15 F I found at http://www.alaska.net/~rmorris/als2.html

It is some work to work out all the dimensions needed to enter into the program, but one learns a lot playing with it.

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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:21:41 -0600
From: "Tim Jones"

Subject: Lucky 7



I have a strange question. If anyone has built the maxi, or even the mini Lucky 7, how would you rate the experience needed to construct this loco. from 1-10, 10 being the hardest. Thanks again -TIM

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:07:22 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Stolen Train



On Thursday morning March 14, 2002 around 2 AM a member of Houston Area Live Steamers (HALS) had his enclosed trailer loaded with all his 1 1/2" trains stolen from in front of his house in Pasadena, TX, near Houston, TX.

Details on the theft, trailer, and train equipment may be found at www.hals.org/bobby.

We are asking all live steamers to circulate this information as widely as possible and to keep a lookout for the stolen trailer and train equipment.

Thank you,

Bill Laird
General Superintendent of Operations
Wimberley, Blanco & Southern Railroad
Bill.Laird@usa.net

Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:55:11 -0600
From: "Rick White"

Subject: Photo on 7+ Railroader front page



On the front cover of The 7+ Railroader, Vol 10, No. 3 for Fall 2001, is a photo of Jim Murray and a new FP7. A color photo of that engine with the owner at the throttle can be seen at

http://home.att.net/~cigrr/2001Fall/20012609.htm

This page is called from http://home.att.net/~cigrr/2001Fall/

The black and white photo in The 7+ Railroader does not show how well finished the locomotive is.

Rick White
HALS
SWLS
SVLS
MLS

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:00:15 -0600
From: "Tim Jones"

Subject:



HI everyone, could anyone tell me if Don Young's Maxi lucky 7 would be a good first time steam project. I know its a very BIG locomotive, but are the parts relatively simple and easy to construct? Would some RMI parts be compatible with this loco? Thanks for any information you give me, -TIM

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:47:52 EST
From: btflco@aol.com

Subject: Re:



It is a pretty straight forward locomotive to build, and I would definately use all the RMI castings available.

JB

Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:25:55 -0800
From: James Hoback

Subject: Re:



Tim,

I would not call any of the Lucky 7 parts "relatively simple and easy to construct" unless you are an accomplished machinist. In the event you are an accomplished machinist, go for it. Otherwise, there is a LOT of work there for any of the three Lucky 7 locos.

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Sonora Short Line Ry.
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:43:23 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re:



Tim,
there's a guy on Pennsylvania...
Selling a Lucky 7 drawings and some parts some machined and some not...
You might want to inquire... It has yet to be set to a specific gauge 7-1/4" or 1/2"
Look into it....
Regards,
Chris Sylvester

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:19:32 -0000
From: "npellew"

Subject: (unknown)



Tim

Just to give you an idea of how difficult the Maxi Lucky 7 is;

I've completed the motions on my Maxi Lucky 7 & just air tested with satisfactory results. All parts machined to dimensions on Don Young's drawings. On the modelling arena I have only previously part built a 3" traction engine before. To date have found the machining relatively easy but having the right sized tools & equipment is a must to make life easy & get good machining results.

The design of the full size loco was based on the premise of keeping it as simple as possible for ease of manufacture, maintenance & operation, so there is nothing too taxing. Most of the machining at this size is relatively forgiving with +/- 10 thou. not showing. (obviously for bearings, pins, shafts, etc accuracy should be maintained) There is a fair amount of welding so need to be, or have access to, a reasonably competent welder.

Don't know about RMI castings & I'm not aware of any source over here in UK.

Trust above assists.
rgds

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:02:24 -0600
From: Curtis Hustace

Subject: Re: (unknown)



www.rmirailworks.com

Fantastic castings. AND they will complete any machine work on any part you may need.

Curtis

Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:09:32 -0800
From: James Hoback

Subject: Porter Loco Book



Fellow "narrow minded" persons,

I see a book titled "Porter Steam Locomotives", apparently published by the NMRA and listed at $76. The ad I saw is in the current issue of the Gazette and by Coronado Scale Models. Has anyone seen this book? Is it as good as the price would indicate?

Thanks,

Jim Hoback
Sonora Short Line Ry.
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:45:51 -0500

From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: Porter Loco Book

Jim,
I have a copy of the origional book that Porter offered (not the NMRA reprint). It's full of pictures and specs on the different locomotives that Porter offered. The best part , in my opinion, is all of the neat information that is published in the back of the book/catalog. Everything from how to lay out curves and trackwork, tractive effort tables, and my favorite, a cost comparison chart of powering your railroad with animals verses steam locomotives. At $76 bucks, it seems kind of expensive. I paid more than that for my used (old) book but mine is an original Porter Locmotive Works item. Never seen the NMRA book. I just know what the contents are.

Bruce Mowbray
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 23:33:53 -0800
From: James Hoback

Subject: Porter Loco Book



Bruce, Mike & Vance,

Thanks for the information on the Porter book. It sounds as if it will not contain what I am looking for, such as a few drawings with dimensions etc. along with detailed photos. I already have some photos and plans.
Fortunately I also have the Merced Gold Mine 2' gauge Porter on display nearby.

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Sonora Short Line Ry.
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:51:47 -0500
From: Jim Keith

Subject: Porter Loco Book



Hi James H

Maybe this is a repeat of the response form "Mike & Vance" (which I didn't see), but here is my assessment:

The book I think you are speaking of was published last year, I got mine in July. It consist of:
1. A brief history & intro by Jennifer Beth Eble (good, 9 pgs)
2. Photo Survey by Brent L Lambert & Gordon T Belt (16 pgs)
(Good builders' photos but only a few predate 1930)
3. Reprint of Catalog, 13th Edition (my guess is about 1923) - (152pgs)
(Bruce Mowbray gave a nice description of the catalog, yesterday)
4. Roster for C/N 16 -> C/N 8275 (Porter's last) by Larry Hargis (149pgs)


Unfortunately, there are no drawings in the book. .. For me the last section, the Roster, has been the most valuable as I've been attempting to (historically) place the Porter we have here in Carillon Park, Dayton OH. (It is a 30" gauge 8x14 cylinder, 60" wheel base 0-4-0T without builders plate.)

Could I ask what wheel arrangement you are modeling -- and what scale? Just checked at http://www.steamlocomotive.com/ and found (i think) the Merced Gold Porter you spoke of. I see that it too is a 0-4-0T. It must be a small one. Is it in good condition?

Regards,
Jim Keith

Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:13:47 -0800
From: James Hoback

Subject: Re: Porter Loco Book



Jim K.,

Yes, the one in Coulterville is near me. It has been cosmetically cleaned up but is missing a few parts. It is a beautiful little Porter though and yes it is small. It was locally known as Whistling Billy during the mine's operation.

The model I am building is an 0-4-2, 3-3/4" scale to operate on 7-1/2" gauge track. Thanks for the information on the book Jim. I think I will pass and spend the money on parts.

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Sonora Short Line Ry.
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 01:58:31 EST
From: GengH@aol.com

Subject: Re: Porter Loco Book



Dear Bruce,Mike, and Vance:
I'd appreciate it if you would share your comments on the Porter book with the rest of us.
Thanks.
George Hoke

Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:21:02 EST
From: GMEYER6103@AOL.Com

Subject: Re: Porter Loco Book



Gentlemen, if I may put my 2 cents in to this conversation about the Porter 0-4-0 T that I believe is on display in Coulterville, California. I saw that locomotive back in about 1953. It was displayed out doors on Highway 49 and looked pretty rough at that time. There is a live steam supplier named CONWAY LOCOMOTIVE CO. that produces a 7.5 inch gauge kit that I was told by Mr. Conway is a model of that locomotive. For more information on this kit, you can call Mr. Conway at (818) 845 - 1660 after 4 PM Pacific time.......

Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:09:46 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: Porter Loco Book



Jim,

This book was published about a year ago by the NMRA in two forms, softcover and hardback. I have a copy of the softcover edition. There is some text information on the Porter Company and Porter locomotives in general. This is followed by a reprint of the Porter catalog. It contains something near 100 pages of photographs and specifications of various Porter locomotives, almost exclusively steam. The last part of the book is a listing of every Porter locomotive built, in sequence by construction number. Each entry is a single line with construction number, date built, type of locomotive, buyer, etc. One interesting item is that the NMRA has photographs of a lot of the Porter's and the entry is highlighted in red if the NMRA has a photograph. Individual photographs may be ordered from the NMRA.

I am currently constructing a feeelance 2 1/2" scale 2-4-0 loosely based on a Porter and found the book to be most helpful. I have also ordered one 8" x 10" black and white photograph of a Porter from the NMRA that most closely matches the Porter I found in the book that I am basing my locomotive on.

Bill Laird
General Superintendent of Operations
Wimberley, Blanco & Southern Railroad

Date sent: 26 Mar 2002 16:26:32 -0000
From: cal_ng_nut

Subject: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM



Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of your 7-plus-NGM group.



Photo taken by Jack Bodenmann at the BCW RR Narrow Gauge Meet 2001. Frelance shay far left (3" scale). Two RMI 2-4-4s center (3.75"). Conway 0-4-0 Porter right (3.75"). Wheel infront of Porter is a shay wheel (2.5"). Real working brass kerosine headlamps shown on RMI engines are avliable from Jack at $2000.00 each.

Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:09:42 EST
From: davidbreaker@aol.com>

Subject: Railway Sale WebSite



Hi,

a few of you may know of the Yahoo Group worldrailwaysale which has the web address/URL of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/worldrailwaysale/ The site/group is designed to be a place where people buying and selling railway equipment of 'the more useable size' or over 7 inch gauge. 5 inch gauge is also welcome. If you are looking to buy or sell railway equipment [track, locomotives, rolling stock etc.] feel free to join the group and post your wants and ads for your equipment. Although the group has been around for a while I've not really publicied it, at the moment we only have 6 members but for anyone looking to buy or sell it should grow to be a good site. Currently we have Debra looking for carriages for a railway group in St. Thomas but I hope it expands within a few weeks.

David Breaker

Kent UK

Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:28:19 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Re: Porter Loco Book



Bill -

Como Roundhouse Products has a number of detail parts in 2-1/2" scale available suitable for the Porter locomotives including saddle tank ends and spectacle plates.

Also, Conway Locomotive Company makes several parts including drivers, cylinders, eccentric straps, smoke box doors...

Rudy van Wingen
CRP

Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:03:05 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: Re: Porter Loco Book



Rudy,

Thanks for the "heads up" on the Como Roundhouse detail parts. My Como Roundhouse catalog is several years old. How do I get a current copy.

Bill Laird

Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:39:57 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Re: Porter parts/Como catalog...



Bill -

I had planned to have a copy of our catalog with photos online long before this, but so far no time to do so. I will email you the pertinent pages directly as I do not think that the 7+NGM files page is the place to post commercial materials. The catalog pages are pretty old, some items are not currently available, and the prices are out of date, but I will send you that info when you let me know what you are interested in.

Rudy van WIngen
Como Roundhoues Products

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:43:52 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: 2-1/2" scale corrigated iron



Some time ago (certainly years) I heard of a source of material that came very close to 2-1/2" scale corrigated iron. I believe the the material was aluminum and not galvanized iron sheet.

We (JT&S RR) are looking to build some corrigated iron sheathed "outbuildings" and we need to find this source...

Does anyone out there have a clue as to what I am talking about?

Rudy van Wingen

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:28:09 -0600
From: "Tim Jones"

Subject: Lucky 7 plans and parts in Pennsylvania.



Dear Chris Sylvester,
I got your e-mail about the guy in Pennsylvania selling the Lucky 7 drawings and some parts. Do you know the mans e-mail address or someway in which I could contact him?

thanks
Tim Jones

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 08:39:30 -0800
From: James Hoback

Subject: Re: 2-1/2" scale corrigated iron



Rudy,

One source I have seen was the skirting used around a Doughboy type swimming pool. It was painted on the outside but the back side was bare aluminum. It had corrugations about the right size. It was about 3' wide and in a long roll to go around the pool. I got rid of what I had last year when I moved.

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Sonora Short Line Ry.
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:47:44 -0800
From: "Channing Morse"

Subject: Re: Lucky 7 plans and parts in Pennsylvania.

Group;Is it possible to buy plans for Lucky #7? Have ridden in cab//what an engine.///cmorse33

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:30:19 -0000
From: "rsmeliterailer"

Subject: Website of Lucky 7



Hi,
Does anyone know if there is a website around about someone that has built or is building a Lucky 7 or a Mini Lucky 7 where the person posted information on building it and also posted pictures of the building of the locomotive? If so, could you please leave a link for me? Thank You.

-RsmeLiterailer

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:11:17 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: Lucky 7 plans and parts in Pennsylvania.



Jim,
Look in either Live Steam Magazine or Modeltec...
I will try an scare up the guys number and get that to you in the near future...

Regards,
Chris Sylvester

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:18:43 EST
From: Rsmeliterailer@aol.com

Subject: Re: Lucky 7 plans and parts in Pennsylvania.



I bought Lucky 7 parts from a guy in New Ringgold PA several months ago, I don't know if it was the same guy, but he was advertising in Live Steam magazine. He didn't have official plans but he did have the Live Steam magazines with the construction articles in them.
-RsmeLiterailer

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:55:33 -0600
From: "Tim Jones"

Subject:



Dear Rsmeliterailer,
I got an e-mail from a guy named Nigel Pellew with his objectives for building the scale model of the Bridgton and Harrison's # 7 (maxi lucky 7). I have attached it for you to read. I hope it helps!

Sincerely,
Timothy Jones

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:01:56 EST
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: Lucky 7 plans and parts in Pennsylvania.



Thats the guy!!!!!!

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:24:59 EST
From: Rsmeliterailer@aol.com

Subject: Re: Lucky 7 plans and parts in Pennsylvania.



I got all the parts the guy had except for the drivers for the 3.5" gauge version because I am building the 7.25" gauge version. I got the cylinders, steam chests, drivers, joint casting, and cylinder front and backs. I recently ordered the rest of the castings and all the drawings from Reeves 2000 over in England except for the pilot truck wheels and tender wheels since I can make them myself. I hope to start on the frame soon.
-RsmeLiterailer

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:39:29 -0500
From: "mikell"

Subject: Re: 2-1/2" scale corrigated iron



I used the same . Took a wire wheel to it then salt water, rusted over night. looks great