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7-Plus-NGM Digest April 2000
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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 03:33:50 -0000
From: "Tom Miller"
Subject: New K-36 ready to run!!
Hello everyone. Bart Pond and myself have built 2 D&RGW K-36 loco's in 2 1/2" scale. We have been at it for 7 1/2 years and the big day is almost at hand. We are in the process of painting them and expect to run them about July. These are very highly detailed models.
If any of you are planning on attending the IBLS meets in Canada and at Train Mountain, plan on stopping by my railroad and seeing these two Giants in action. My railroad is part of the extended tour and is set to be open August 19th and 20th. See the IBLS schedule for more details.
Bart and I are going to make casting kits available that include hundreds of CAD drawings of each and every piece.As soon as one of them is painted, I will post a picture of it along side the other
unpainted model.
We are in the process of building the patterns for the Westinghouse Crosscompound air compressors. These will be functional units and will also be made available in about one year.
Hope to see some of you this summer.
Tom Miller
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 20:41:45 -0800
From: George Potter
Subject: Re: New K-36 ready to run!!
Hi Tom,
I was debating about some of the tracks to stop at, as I have visited yours some years back, but now I'll be definately stopping by during your open days.
I remember seing your K-36 in process, and it will be GREAT to see it in actions.
Regards,
George Potter
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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:41:27 -0700
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: Reply to Tom Miller
Hello Tom --
I just joined this group a couple of days ago, and haven't sorted out all the details on how to post to it. We plan to stop at your track on the way to TM. I have a 2-1/2" scale Logging Mike, and presently have a cross compound air pump (nonworking) using Skagen castings. One day (or rathe r, one Winter,) when I have time I plan to convert the air pump to a working version. When you are ready to publicize it, I would like to purchase a set of your drawings to help me in my project.
Howard Springer
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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:54:19 +0100
From: hubert@wetekamp.de
Subject: 61 subscribers in three days / attachments
Hello all,
I'm really pleased and surprised: Up to this afternoon, there are 61 subscribers registered for our new list. That's much more than I expected.
And regarding attachments, Stan Zdonick informed me, that it's possible to view the attached pictur es by using the message-folder at onelist. That's really new for me, because in the past attached pictures where lost for digest- or online-subscribers.
So, I changed the settings, and attached pictures are now permitted. The only wish I have is to keep the filesize
small, so that all with slower connections will still have an reasonable fast download.
On the other hand, please use the file-folder, so that we - and other visitors - can see our work.
It was suggested to ban commercial mails as well as private deals.
In my opinion, such information is the salt in the soup, and so, I don't want to ban this. But, if it will become to
much, than I will change my mind.
I think, we all need informations, where to get needed parts, especially, if members are modelling american
prototype far away from the states like me.
Hubert
Visit my 3" scale railroad under
http://www.wetekamp.de/pcr_e.htm
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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:01:58 -0500
From: Curtis Hustace
Subject: Hello
Dear List:
Hello! I have just subscribed and for those of you who know me already (if any) I am sorry if you have heard my story before! :-)
I am Curtis Hustace and I live in Dixon, Kentucky. Dixon is approximately 30 miles away from Evansville, Indiana which in turn is in the very South West part of the state. I am 35 years and have been hooked on live steam locomotives since I can remember. Every Christmas my grandmother would give me $5 and I would turn around and buy a Little Engines catalog. I was In love with these locomotives! I wanted nothing more than to build one. I didn't know at the time that my grandfather had already built a 3/4" Northern and had started a 1.5" Northern (both from Little Engines). Unfortunately, I never met my grandfather (he lived in Hawaii . . . I in St. Louis) before he died and that was too bad . . . we would have had a lot in common. His locomotives sat in Hawaii for many years until my grandmother died at the ripe old age of 103 1/2 years. At that time one of my uncles received possession these locomotives and some rail cars. My uncle was also building trains (a member of Golden Gate Live Steamers . . .Richard Hustace). He had completed a LE 0-4-0 switcher, and LE 0-4-0 Crab. He just recently passed away and in his workshop was a box of castings. None of my cousins are interested in building a locomotive so my Aunt and Cousins kindly sent all the castings to me as a gift. They are of a 2.5" scale Allen Models Chloe. I am planning a railroad which (when finished) will be just over 5300 feet long one way . . . it will be an out and back, point to point railroad.
The second addition to the railroad (once the Chloe is done) will be either a Roll Models 2.5" scale steam or 3.75" scale steam . . . I haven't decided on which size I should go to yet . . . Or perhaps the Allen Models Lynchburg. When I get done with the first project I will decide on the second. In between I plan on purchasing a 2.5" scale Gas/Hydrostatic drive 65 Ton Switcher (from RMI) . . . lots of wheels for lots of traction for lots of construction.
Well, I have bored you all to tears now. . . sorry.
Take Care
Curtis Hustace
Hustace Short Lines RR
214 F. Rogers Lane
Dixon, KY 42409
812-453-0217 (Day)
270-639-6930 (Evening)
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:26:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: drgw50tc@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Hello
Hello one and all. Its nice to be hooked up with all you folks. My name is Thom Cleesattel, live steamer with the Tonawanda Creek Model Engineers in Amherst NY suburb of Buffalo, NY. Been a train brain as long as I can remember. I have stuff from N-gauge on up to 1 1/2 in. But recently got hooked on this 2 1/2 in size. I like the massive size although it can be overwhellming at times. Like the one piece casting for my #50 D&RGW desiel switcher. It's just about 200 lbs. of alluminum which was a real treat to lift onto the bridgeport. I thought everybody told me alluminum was a light material just like a ton of feathers as aposed to a ton of bricks, Oh well. If anyone's interested, there is a photo of the engine with myself and my nephew on the Finger lakes
livesteamers page at www.northnet.org/wicksall/fllsmain.html . I'm currently scratch building a D&RGW narrow gauge flat car and high side gondola to go along with the engine. Lots o fabercating of parts like queenposts turnbuckles coupler pockets step ups grab irons you know all the usual goodies . Say did you know small square nuts are getting harder to find these days? I can't use hex nuts, gotta keep the rivet counters happy. A good friend of mine , Bill Cochrane also a fellow narrow gauge nut lent me his photos of the narrow gauge in Colarado back
in the 50's when alot of the stuff was still around. This is basicly what I'm using for the details on the cars. Most of the photos are sharp close ups which really help a lot along with plans found in model magazines I should have a couple of nice looking cars good enough to keep the rivet counters happy. The only draw back is that the cellar is rapidly disappearing. This stuff sure does take up a lot of space I guess the Mrs's stuff will have to be relocated,of course when She's not home! Our club is also building 8 Fitchburg Northerns. Each member make eight of something on the drawings then we get togeather swap parts, figure out what we need next go home and make eight more of something. However alot of times eight becomes, for example forty-eight. Yours truly was asigned crankpins. Thats six pins times eight engines equals forty-eight pins. Guess what? The boys liked my work so much My next assignment was eccentrics, yep you guessed it another 48 pieces. It's still alot of fun making all those parts esspecialy when they are all exactly the same with no waste. Well time for some shut eye. I'll keep you guys posted on our progress possibly with some photos. Take care for
now TC
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 06:44:57 -0700
From: locopart
Subject: Re: Hello
Curtis
I know you are a few hours from us but we are havung our 7th Annual grasshopper Short Line RR run the weekend of the 15 apr. WOuld be glad for you tp come. We are in SE corner of VA.
don
suffolk, va
Locoparts
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 06:02:48 -0500
From: Curtis Hustace
Subject: Re: Hello
I would love to come, but I am leaving for Germany on the 13th for 12 days for a photo shoot. Keep me in mind for your next run though. Thx for the invite.
Curtis
p.s. my sister lives in Norfolk so I'm out that way once a year or so.
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 08:26:52 -0400
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Re: Hello
Thom,
I'm having problems with http://www.north.org/wicksall/fllsmain.html
Only thing I can get is www.north.org but is a blank page except for the title.
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:09:41 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hello
If you can get ahold of Russ Steeves at the Waushakum LS and pick his brain it may help with all those in-th-works Fitchburg Northerns. Russ' FN #5 (you've seen her picture in the magazines a number of times) is the best interpretation of this engine that I've seen. I think he sweated out a couple of 16ths more in dia. out of the cylinder castings which makes a huge diffeerence in her performance.
I'll cc Russ on this so you can steal his e-mail address.
Cam Brown,
Largo Central RR
Adirondack LS
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:25:27 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hello
Picked up your 7.5 group note re the possibility of a 3.75' scale Roll Models. Being a self appointed apologist for Maine 2 foot gauge, severasl of the Moguls (and the later Praire conversions) are hiding just under the skin
of tghe RM mogul. Just to bug my wife, Ileft the catalog open on top of the bookcase with a coiuple of plans of the maine equipment next to it. Futz with the cab and sand dome (using another steam dome maybe), Steph. in place of Walch, gear, con RM into spreading the first and second driver axle boxes a bit and one would have "Old Star" originally built for the North Carolina Laurel River and Hot Springs, sold to thw Wiscasset and Quebec thence to the Sandy River. Nice engine.
Cam Brown.
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:47:27 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Re: Hello
I don't even get the blank page, I'm getting a 404.
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:47:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: drgw50tc@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Re: Hello
Hello fellas; TC here.A bunch of guys are trying to get the fingerlakes page for a photo of my #50 D&RGW desiel switcher. The address I gave out was apperently wrong . Sorry for the inconvience. My lame excuse is that I was tired from working all night stareing at negatives and making plates for our six color press at work. Any way here's the CORRECT address; http://www.northnet.org/wicksall/fllsmain.html I forgot the "net" in northnet. Again sorry for the trouble. The photo is under the spring'99 section center flush left.
Take care TC
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:24:05 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Re: New Hello
Thanks for the updated link, it looks like a great club. I noticed something in one of your photos:
Sorry, the file is not longer available online.
This shows what appears to be a highline supported by PT lumber resting on gravel. Is this the case? I'm drawing up plans for Pioneer Valley Live Steamers to put in a new smaller gauge highline. (1.75") I want to review all the options before I present to the group. I've heard this type of construction has been used by other groups for their highlines. Have you had any issue with stability?
I know this is an off list topic but many clubs have multiple gauges. PVLS currently has 3.5", 5", and 7.25".
Thanks,
Stan
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Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:26:46 -0400
From: "Bruce"
Subject: Re: Hello/Russ Steeves
Listees,
In the interest of 7+ narrow gauge live steamers, do you think we could get Russ to join our list? I have the plans for the F.N. in hope of building one someday.
Bruce Mowbray
trainhead@mymail.emcyber.com
http://www.geocities.com/trainhead391
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:00:44 EDT
From: Mikado8@aol.com
Subject: Re: New K-36 ready to run!!
Hi Tom;
I have read with interest your mail on the K-36's.
I for one am interested in building one of these. Lets keep in touch as I'm interested in the castings and drawings. I can't wait to your pictures.
Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:35:54 EDT
From: Mikado8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hello
Hi Cam;
I'm one of those nuts thats building parts for those 8 Finchburg Northern locos.
I made all of the driver bearing blocks for them.(48), then the axles, and who knows what else. I thought Tom was going to give himself a hernia when he and my son got the frame up and on by bridgeport to do the axle bearing pockets. Any info you or anyone else can get us on the Finchburgs would be appreicated.
I for one am a D&RGW nut having sent a couple of summers our there in the early sixtys. The wife and I even rode the narrow gage on our honeymoon and she even helped me get dimensions for some rolling stock.
Keep in touch,
Bill
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:50:36 EDT
From: Mikado8@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: New Hello
Contact Thom C. at his web TV address. We both belong to The Tonawanda Creek Model Engineers in Amherst NY. We have a beautiful elevated track using pressure treated lumber, for the 3/4 inchers. I helped Thom build it but it was his design and it has held up well. Better yet, your welcome to visit anytime. Our openhouse will be the last weekend in July, Its a 4 1/2 acre site , mostly wooded with inch and 1 1/2 7 1/4 gage on the ground as well as the elevated 3/4 inch track. We'll try to get some pictures up soon.
Bill C
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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 01:40:40 -0000
From: "Donald Dickens"
Subject: A must see
If you haven't seen this you haven't seen 7+ Narrow Gauge http://members.home.net/melcaswell/index.htm
Caution: Lean back when viewing, drool damages keyboards
Don Dickens
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:57:26 -0500
From: "SharonDeckard"
Subject: Re: Re: Hello
All I got was a 404 also.
Sharon
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:10:11 -0000
From: "Bill Oberpriller"
Subject: Roll Models 3 3/4" scale cylinders
Hi,
I'm new to this list. I just purchased a set of Roll Models/Wato 3 3/4" cylinders. I plan to build a freelance 2-4-0 using the Wato castings. I am going to document the process on a web site. I posted some pictures of the set-up I will be using to bore the cylinders. The pictures can be seen at http://minnie240.webjump.com
Bill
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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:29:02 EDT
From: DFWSVW@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Models 3 3/4" scale cylinders
Bill,
In response to your open letter regarding building a free lance 2-4-0 with Keith Watson's castings ala Roll Models (new owner/distributer of Keith's designs). Why not just go ahead and build the 2-4-0 Lil Lima that Keith designed and which I believe will be released by Roll Models some time soon, like this summer.
It is an excellent working enging and very straight forward building. Having finished one, see attached photo, I would suggest go one bigger and build the Li'l Mogul 2-6-0 as designed by Keith and I suspect will also be available from Roll Models soon.
See the Lil Lima at Train Mountain this June and the grand IBLS meet at both Burnaby, CA and at Train Mountain in August.
Doug Wilkinson
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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:17:54 -0500
From: Curtis Hustace
Subject: Re: Roll Models 3 3/4" scale cylinders
Dear All:
Very good point . . . please check out Roll Models new web site. . .
www.rmirailworks.com.
The 2-6-0 Mogul (Sweet Creek) is available now as well as the Stuart 2-4-4T. Coming soon are the Columbia 2-4-2 and the Frontier 2-4-2. For availability call Paul or William Garin . . . they are more than helpful!
5030 E. Jensen Ave.
Fresno, CA 93725
Phone: 559-441-8686
FAX: 559-441-0359
These locomotives are 3 3/4" scale. They are releasing 2 or 3 2.5" scale locomotives this summer. I am not sure what they are.
Curtis Hustace
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:25:03 -0000
From: bearkatt@primenet.com
Subject: DRGW #50
Can anyone connect me with someone who has plans & parts for (or a completed model of)DRGW # 50? Im looking to build or buy one.
Many thanks in advance
Scotty L. Hill
Phoenix, Az
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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:46:27 -0500
From: Curtis Hustace
Subject: Re: 15"
Can anyone complete these for me? Thx
Curtis
>HH&YV Hetch Hetchey and ..........Valley????????
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>JT&S Joshua Tree and Southern
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>GSP&P ....................?
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>RVRy Redwood Valley Rwy
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>H&W ....................?
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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:41:03 -0500
From: "Mark Petersen"
Subject: Re: Re: 15"
The HH&YV is the Hetch Hetchey and Yosemite Valley
Mark Petersen
Camp Creek Railroaders.
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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:55:20 -0500
From: "Mark Petersen"
Subject: Let's try this again
HH & YV is Hetch Hetchy & Yosemite Valley. It was located near the famed Westside Lumber Company on Northern Calif.
Mark Petersen
Camp Creek Railroaders
Omaha, NE
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:09:38 EDT
From: btflco@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: 15"
>HH&YV Hetch Hetchey and ..........Valley???????? Yosemite
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>JT&S Joshua Tree and Southern
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>GSP&P ....................? Glenwood South Park and Pacific
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>RVRy Redwood Valley Rwy
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>H&W ....................? Hillcrest and Wahtoke
Jeff the guy who just got back from RMI today Badger
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:15:32 EDT
From: btflco@aol.com
Subject: Re: DRGW #50
Scotty, Paul Garrin at Roll Models now has the castings and plans for the Davenport #50. It has gone through a complete re-design and is far superior than the old Western Rails model. I have the first one that he has produced in Gas/Hydraulic and it is excellent! And much lower in cost than the Western Rails model also.
See the RMI Railworks website for more details and e/mail addresses.
Tell them Jeff Badger sent you.
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:18:28 -0000
From: "Chris Allan"
Subject: Re: Let's try this again
Actually the Hetch Hetchy and Yosemite Valleys Railway was the original common-carrier name for what later became the West Side Lumber Company in Tuolumne, California.
The current Hetch Hetchy and Yosemite Valleys Railway is a 5" scale 15" gauge operation on private ground near Sonora, California.
Sonora is about 7 miles from Tuolumne City.
That should help add to the confusion!
Chris Allan
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:24:25 -0000
From: "Chris Allan"
Subject: Re: DRGW #50
Hey Jeff,
Get that thing out to Joshua Tree when Paul finishes it! We need some 2 1/2" stuff to put the rest of the place "in perspective"!
Chris
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:27:57 -0000
From: "Jeff Badger"
Subject: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Hi all, just got back from RMI today, checking out the progress on the Davenport #50 being built. This is the first Gas/Hydraulic done at RMI and I must report that it is excellent. Smooth and powerful. Currently it has a 5.5hp Honda electric start with hydrostat and one hydraulic motor. The hydraulic system is run through a cooler and has a thermostatically controlled fan. So far am more than pleased with this and can hardly wait to get it out on the mainline!
Check out the Files section of 7+ for pics.
Next up... the Colombia!
Cheers,
Jeff Badger
Soquel Pacific Coast Railway
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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:31:28 -0700
From: "James Hoback"
Subject: Re: Re: 15"
Curtis,
The HH&YV is actually Hetch Hetchey & Yosemite Valleys. (yes with an "s")
The GSP&P is Glenwood South Park & Pacific.
The H&W is Hillcrest & Wahtoke.
These are all private 15" gauge 5" scale railroads.
Regards,
Jim Hoback
______________________________
Jim Hoback
Tuolumne, CA, U.S.A.
12" gauge railroad
http://www.mlode.com/~jdmd/train.htm
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:36:35 EDT
From: btflco@aol.com
Subject: Re: DRGW #50
Hi Chris, well I was up at Paul's today testing the locomotive and it is a stump puller.
Just waiting for the hood sheet metal and the radiator grill to come back and then finish the powder coat. I will hopefully pick it up on April 21 so I can test it at the Portola Valley and Alpine. By the way, got your e/mail on
the JT&S. Do you have a workday planned for May yet? That would work better for me actually...
Have a good one...
Jeff
Oh the Summer Camp is progressing through committees right now and made a huge hurdle last week. August 5 is the last committee and so far everything is a GO!
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:30:56 -0500
From: "Mark Petersen"
Subject: Glenwood, South Park & Pacific
Where is the Glenwood, South Park & Pacific located at? The reason I ask is that for several years I've seen a Bed & Breakfast down at the Southern end of South Park (Colorado) and they appear to have a small railroad with it. Unfortunately I've never had the time to stop and check it out.
Mark Petersen
Camp Creek Railroaders
Omaha, NE
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 03:26:02 EDT
From: Smallhand@aol.com
Subject: Re: DRGW #50
Scotty,
Steve Easlon of "Western Rails Unlimited", 1507 Palo Alto Ave., Chino Hills, CA 91709. Has drawing, plans, parts and kit for the DRGW #50. If he's not reachable at this address, try to reach him through the "Orange County Model Engineers", PO box 3216, Costa Mesa, CA 92628. (www.livesteamclubs.com)
Raymond Hill
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:06:30 +0200
From: "Michael Staats"
Subject: Dutch website
Hello list,
Please pay a visit to the site of the largest steamgroup in the Netherlands on: www.welcome.to/stoomgroep and leave a message in the guestbook
michael staats
the Netherlands
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:44:34 -0000
From: "Bill Oberpriller"
Subject: Re: Roll Models 3 3/4" scale cylinders
Doug,
I am unable to open the attachemt picture. I would like to see the picture, could you email a copy to me directly or post the picture to the file section?
My first choice was to build a L'il Lima. However, when I contacted Roll Models, they were unsure of if or when they would be making the L'il Lima castings available.
Bill
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:34:33 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Models 3 3/4" scale cylinders
The Peach Bottom 3 ft gauge in Pennsylvania had a neat little 2-4-0. Plan profile drawing home in NY State.
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:41:09 -0700
From: "James Hoback"
Subject: Re: Glenwood, South Park & Pacific
Mark,
The GSP&P is a private 15" gauge line near Santa Cruz, CA, south of the S.F. Bay Area.
Regards,
Jim Hoback
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:52:35 EDT
From: btflco@aol.com
Subject: Re: Glenwood, South Park & Pacific
Mark, The G.S.P.&P. is located in the Santa Cruz Mountians on a private ranch.
So you now need to get back to the B&B and scope out the railroad and tell us all about it!
Regards,
Jeff Badger
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:12:06 -0500
From: "Tom Casper"
Subject: RE: Glenwood, South Park & Pacific
the B & B (not sure if the still do that) is on Trout Creek Pass (Hwy 285) east of Buena Vista Colorado. At one time they were going to be an amusement type park of old buildings and such. There is some track down but I don't believe they run any trains. Any Correction would be ok with me.
Later;
Tom Casper
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:30:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: drgw50tc@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
This measage is for Jeff Badger. Jeff My name is Thom Cleesattel and last year I completed one of the Western Rails #50. The kit did take a bit of reworking to make it a lot better. Some of the supplied detail parts were lets say poor quaility. I worked off a LGB model and several prototype photos from when the D&RGW had it running, I believe back in the 50's or 60's. I'm having a real ball with this thing, however about that hydrollic drive you were talking about . Do ya think I could retro fit it to my loco and would Rolls sell just that portion of his kit. My loco ,like his is also powered with the 5 1/2 horse Honda engine. Any info would be greatly appreciated. There is a half way decent photo of my engine on the Fingerlakes Live steamers page. Search Fingerlakes livesteamer inc. and it should come up .Then go spring 99' photos. Nice jawin with ya .
Take care TC.
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:40:52 -0700
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
REPLY TO THOM CLEESATTEL
Thom, I wrote an article that appeared in Modeltec, Jan 1998, on design of hydraulic drives for model locomotives. One of our members converted his Western Rails mechanically powered engines based on that. It was a tight squeeze, using a 6 HP Onan engine. If you're interested after looking at the article, my offer therein to help still stands.
Howard Springer
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:58:43 -0700
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: Re: DRGW #50
REPLY
Hi Scotty:
One of our members (Kitsap Live Steamers, in WA.) converted his DRGW # 50, with me looking over his shoulder, about 18 months ago. He appeaars to be liquidating his models, presently has been advertising a paartially finished Little Engines Mogul. He may be interested in selling his #50. Be warned though, that it needs to haave either the hydraulic pump or the motor changed, because the engine he used turned about twice as fast as I calculated, thus delivering too much speed. See my article in Modeltec for Jan 1998. I'd be willing to hellp out with calculaations.
Howard Springer
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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:53:32 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Modeltec
I just subscribed to Modeltec since I saw the current issue has an article on building a critter. Since this is where I'd like to start in 7.25" does anyone have any other issues of Modeltec I should try to lay my hands on?
I'm in the research stage right now, I doubt I'll build before summer.
Thanks,
Stan
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:07:37 -0700
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: DRGW # 50
To Scotty:
I got so carried away with my erudition that I forgot to name the member. He is Steve Conradi, at dubug@gte.net Tel: 425-259-3826.
Howard Springer
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:17:09 EDT
From: Mt14l@aol.com
Subject: Re: Modeltec
Stan;
Try Ebay - from time to time they have back issues of Modeltech and Live Steam for sale.
www.ebay.com
plug in Modeltech or Live Steam in the Search!
Good Hunting!
Dave Sherron
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Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:56:47 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Re: ebay
I have bought years worth of Live Steam and Modetec from ebay listings. I was looking for any particular issues to look at.
thanks,
stan
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 01:12:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: drgw50tc@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Hi guys and maybe gals. Just a quickie. Does anyone out there know of a source for plans/ drawings for a narrow gauge Gramps tank car often seen on the D&RGW narrow gauge? This is the type of car where the tank sits on a flat car body. I'm figureing it should make a pretty comfortable riding car, with the tank acting like a saddle type seat and the flat car body is where you can place your feet. Tanx much.
Take care TC.
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:34:50 -0500
From: "Mark Petersen"
Subject: D&RGW Plans
One of the best sources for Colorado Narrow Gauge plans is the John Maxwell Collection. John Maxwell worked for the D&RGW and managed to save quite a few original plans as well as redraw many others over the years. He made cars, locomotives, buildings, track layouts diagrams and more. He made copies of those plans and photos available for quite a few years. John's son now sells them. Their address is:
The John Maxwell Collection
1055 Jessica Lane
Bldg. N
Fernley, NV 89408.
A basic drawing list is $2.00 by mail.
You can also find it at on the web at www.ColoNG.com
Mark Petersen
Camp Creek Railroaders
Omaha, NE
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 05:56:09 -0700
From: locopart
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
I don't have the plans you want...I'm looking for the plans to the tank cccccar that has the massive channel frame under it. The problem with all these NG tank cars is that in 2-1/2" scale, the tank is 15" dia. This I
have found, though it is around $200 for a 6 foot piece. The clincher seems to be the domed ends for these tanks. If you come across these please let me know.
don orr
LOCOPARTS
http://home.att.net/~livesteam/Locoparts.html
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:05:08 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Articles found in Modeltec
I did a scan of the Modeltec issues I have and found the January 1998 issue, GREAT article on hydraulics. The august '96 issue has some points on rebuilding the drivetrain on a D&RGW #50. Finally the June '96 issue has a nice traction motor control schematic on page 35. I only have three years on file so far, I hope that helps someone.
Stan
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:44:41 -0600
From: "Mike Decker"
Subject: Tank Cars (was: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic)
Hi Don:
About 40 years ago, when I was in "Junior Achivement" in the Chicago suburbs, one of our advisers was Union Tank Car. In the process of learning to be business man, I conned them out of some 3' gauge tank car drawings. I couldn't identify the particular cars that the drawings represented, but at least one of them has a channel frame. IF I can find them, I'll see what I can figure out. It won't be soon, though, unless I run across them while we are cleaning out the house for new carpet. Rooting in boxes for train stuff won't go over very well while we are getting ready for our daughter's graduation :-)
When I worked at Sandley's, we used to have catalogs that had domed heads. They were a stock item at some of our steel suppliers, for pressure vessels, etc. We used pressed heads (flat ended) cut in half for the top part of our backheads. You weld them to a pan that has the edges curved at the same radius as the head, and "viola" a flanged sheet. It's more work than the minimum ASME requirements, but it's prettier.
Regards,
Mike Decker
Decker's Trains
Rt. 1, Box 102-E
Hot Springs, SD 57747
605-745-5487
http://www.gwtc.net/~mdecker/index.htm
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:27:14 -0700
From: locopart
Subject: Re: Tank Cars (was: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic)
Thanks for the info...will give that one a lot of thought.
don
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:11:22 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: trex
Does anyone have experience using trex or a similar plastic/wood product outdoors? I'm looking for a wood type product that doesn't warp and can stand the weather for train structures. Trex will not be used to carry the
main load, it will simply be the piece exposed to the weather. I apologize to anyone that gets this more than once.
For anyone not familiar with trex, it is a product made from wood fibers and plastic. It is normally used for decking.
Thanks,
Stan
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:57:24 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: Recycled Plastic / trex
Stan:
At Train Mountain we use a 2" x 3" x 8' recycled plastic material which we cut into 16" lengths for railroad ties on our 7 1/2" gauge railroad. It has been very satisfactory. The same material in different dimensions is often
used for decking. The manufacturer claims the material has a 500 year life.
Quentin Breen
Train Mountain
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:53:57 -0000
From: "Bret Kueber"
Subject: Hello & Trying to decide Between 2-1/2" & 3-3/4"
Hello,
I am new to your list, and looking at building a 2-1/2" or 3-3/4" Loco for my next project. I have completed 2 other 1-1/2" scale locomotives, a 2-4-2 and 0-4-0, and want something bigger. I was considering a 1-1/2" Berk, but the kit would be way more than a Wato Li'l Mogul or their Columbia. Besides, I like the idea of a larger scale engine with nuts and bolts you can see without a magnifying glass. Does anyone have any comments about going 2-1/2" vs 3-3/4"? I am assuming both would pull like nothing else in 1-1/2" except a Northern. How well does Wato's Li'l mogul pull? Or the Stuart which the Columbia will be based on? Has anyone seen RMI's castings or a completed engine of theirs? Will the Briggs boiler without the copper tube water walls be adequate?
Thanks,
Bret Kueber
P.D.C.R.R.
Be sure to visit Our Website!
http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/pdcrr
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:42:15 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hello & Trying to decide Between 2-1/2" & 3-3/4"
Being a great advocate of two foot gauge, translated into 3.6" or 3.75"scale let me put in my two cents worth in answer to your request. Modelling in this not quite lunitic large scale will be a challange. Se if you can beg, borrow or otherwise acquire Don Young's series in Live Steam several years ago on "#7 and her Sisters" bringing to life my all time favorite engine - a favorite as I worked on getting her running for the last time on the Bridgton and Harrison down Maine the last years 1941 (or was it 1942) Beautifully proportioned 2-4-4T
Baldwin Forney. Got a start on her (in 3.6"as we run the proper 7.25" gauge track at Adirondack LS and it's handy to convert any dimension by multiplying by 0.3) Made a start with Don Marshall but he up and left us right after we had made the big decision to "Masonize" her i.e. Pivot the engine under the boiler. All these late model Forneys were really long leggeded beasties. I had coresponded with the chap out in Oregon (sorry, I'm fileless in Florida and can't recall his name) who had built Sandy River #6 (0-4-4T) and after wearing off two sets of flanges (and assuming a good deal of the railroad) he came up with the Masonizing solution. This worked,
A chap (again memory fails) built the Young Maxi-#7 up in Toronto, Ontario, Sent me a video of this glorious machine that, from hearsay evbidence can like a dream on good, straight track but was hell on the curves.
memry still fails in recalling the name of a most helpful chap in South Africa who sent me a video of his (altered) Maxi #7.I willingly grant the Old Country types and their decendants their penchant for bright livery (Remember Henry Ford: You can buy a Model T in any color you want as long as it's black) and even the brass steam domes. This engine solved the long legged curvature problem by being built as a 2-4-0 with the tank being turned into a little four wheel bobber tender.
No surprise that there is a good deal of scale fudging that goes on when you start in at the larger scales. The Fitchburg Northern Moguls, albeit a generic 3 fter. slill comes off as about 2,2" even for a teeny-tiny Mogul.
More forgetfulness on my part obliterates the name of the chap in Pa. (or is it NJ) Steamers with a dandy DSP&P Mason Bogie that would hold it's own against one of Mr. Ulrich's - save that the scale I think hovers a bit under 3.0 to the foot.
Russ Steeves of Waushakum and Fitchburg #5 fame is working on a wondrous Model of one of an early Sandy River (or maybe it was a Phillips & Rangely) Portland Forney again fudging down on the scale a tad. All this solves the curving problem (especially with no lead truck) and practival clearance problems on the everyday 7 1/4 or 7 1/2" gauge club layout.You go for the look -big cab and pilot beam, oversized attachments in comparison with the 1.5" midels in competition for th oohs and aaahs. Go for the look and forget about the purists. Cheat on the scale if you have to. If you say it's a model opf a Monson or Kennebec Central engine. that's good enough for me. As long as it runs decently.
And even with small prototype you are getting into questions of watching the weight and axle loading.weight. What wpuld have been #7's boiler sits in my garage and it is a real hernia builder. It'll never be #7's boiler as Don, working a cappela without a good drawing, put the front flue sheet right where the exhaust pipe(s) should be. Maybe the LR&HS/W&Q/F&M mogul as I have fantisized on these pages earlier.
I quit for now. I'm supposed to be cleaning the back porch for tomorrow's company.
Cam Brown
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:35:13 EDT
From: DFWSVW@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hello & Trying to decide Between 2-1/2" & 3-3/4"
Cam Brown wrote a good summary of how I feel also. Do what pleases you and just call it a caricature. I finished a Lil Lima a couple of years ago and used oversize rivets in the tender, made the tender wide enough to fit my tender bottom, extended the height of the cab so I could use a six inch pressure gauge from a W.W.II Navy ship and other features I liked. Just go for it and enjoy your work and just say thank you to the rivet counters and let those who do nothing but criticize, go on their merry way.
Regarding the Lucky 7. I completed a Mini Lucky 7 and just found it too small. I did not realize that a two foot locomotive was so small and in 1 1/2" scale it is small also. Don Young's design was flawless and it runs
unbelievably smooth but the light weight of the locomotive just doesn't run well on our local track which has 2+ percent grades on it. The tender capacity is too small and I had to carry a jug of water in my lap to supplement the tender. Our track is 4,000 plus feet long. Cam is correct in indicating that Maxi-Lucky 7 is just too big and long without separating the tender from the cab. Something in between would in my mind be just right. Getting castings for such a mid size Lucky 7 would be a personal thing with your own patterns if you are able. The detailing in the Lucky 7 series is very detailed and the work to build is great but if you have the patience it
is a very fine locomotive.
Doug Wilkinson
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Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 20:32:22 -0700
From: Russ Wood
Subject: Re: Hello & Trying to decide Between 2-1/2" & 3-3/4"
Bret,
I can't speak to the quality of the steamers of RMI as my only exposure to RMI has been their electrics, but let me say that there quality of workmanship and finish is terrific. Of the things I have seen produced by RMI it appears it is a company with a lot of pride in their product and the skills to back it up.
russ@hobby-tronics.com
www.hobby-tronics.com
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Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 00:12:10 -0400
From: "Rich D."
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Are there any commercial air compressor tanks that can be modified? Cut the ends off and reverse/reweld?
Rich D.
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Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:28:08 EDT
From: btflco@aol.com
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Don, dome tank ends are being made by Real Trains in Yuciapa, California.
Not sure if they have posted them on their website as of yet, but I saw the product last November at their shop and they are nice pieces.
Real Trains
Regards,
Jeff Badger
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Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:52:34 EDT
From: btflco@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hello & Trying to decide Between 2-1/2" & 3-3/4"
Does anyone have any comments about going 2-1/2" vs 3-3/4"?
If you can go with the 3 3/4"
How well does Wato's Li'l mogul pull? Or the Stuart which the Columbia will be based on?
Considering that Wato engines are used in many tourist and Park type train rides in Austrailia and other countries hauling up to 60 passengers with grades up to 5% is a pretty good testimony to their capacity.
Has anyone seen RMI's castings or a completed engine of theirs?
I have seen the both Wato and RMI castings. The Wato casting are good, the RMI castings are better. RMI has two locomotive under construction right now: a Sweet Creek Mogul, and a Stuart Forney that will become Sandy River #10. Both engines are running on air (see attached photo taken last week) and are well built. RMI has a staff of 10 workers, and David Rohrer is a fellow live steamer who is working the steam line of RMI.
Will the Briggs boiler without the copper tube water walls be adequate?
The simplicity of the Briggs design makes the boiler easy to fire and maintain steam pressure, and maintenance is much less. I also believe that this typ of boiler will last longer with proper care given to treatment of water etc.
Any more questions, contact Paul Garin at RMI Railworks and tell him I sent ya!
Regards,
Jeff Badger
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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:13:10 -0700
From: "Dennis & Marie Weaver"
Subject: RE: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
The Gramps tank cars that TC referred to were frameless cars owned by UTLX and leased to Lafayette "Gramps" Hughes who owned a small refinery at Alamosa. The story goes that he had the "Gramps" painted on the side of the cars so that his grandchildren would know which cars belonged to Gramps.
You can find information and some drawings of these cars and the other types of tank cars used on the D&RGW in the July/August 1978 and September/October 1978 issues of the Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette and also in the Narrow Gauge Pictorial Vol. 7 by R. Robb.
Dennis Weaver
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Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:23:02 -0700
From: locopart
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Thanks for the source. Just checked it out ... they list up to 14" but state they will quote on larger ones so maybe the search is not too far away.
don orr
LOCOPARTS
http://home.att.net/~livesteam/Locoparts.html
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Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:20:43 EDT
From: Mt14l@aol.com
Subject: Re: Recycled Plastic / trex
Do you know of a source for this material?
Dave Sherron, Scarborough, ME.
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Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 12:37:33 -0000
From: "Bill Oberpriller"
Subject: Re: Roll Models 3 3/4" scale cylinders
I just added some more pictures to my web site.
http://minnie240.webjump.com
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Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 12:49:48 -0000
From: "Bill Oberpriller"
Subject: Re: Hello & Trying to decide Between 2-1/2" & 3-3/4"
Bret,
If you are looking for a bigger engine than your Minnie, you will have to go to the 3 3/4" scale. The Lil Lima is about the same size as your Minnie. I bought the cylinder and wheel castings in 3 3/4" scale from RMI. The size of these castings are over whelming. To build an engine this size, I recommend a 14" lathe and a Series I
size milling machine. There is a lot of welding on this engine. I recommend that you get a small TIG welder. I have one similar to the one being sold by Grizzly for $1199. It works great.
Bill
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Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 09:02:36 -0500
From: Curtis Hustace
Subject: Re: Hello & Trying to decide Between 2-1/2" & 3-3/4"
Dear Bret:
Roll Models www.rmirailworks.com is going to be producing their whole 3.75" scale line in 2.5 " scale as well. It won't be until after August, but they say all the bigger trains will be also available in 2.5" scale. That is for a what it's worth kind of thing. Check with William or Paul Garrin on availability. But at least this will give you a choice if you decide not to go to 3.75" you still have all the loco's in 2.5" scale. The castings look fantastic by the way.
Take care
Curtis
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Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 10:25:47 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Re: Recycled Plastic / trex
www.trex.com has a page to find their closest dealer to you.
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Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 10:36:05 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Lucky 7
I have been reading the posts about Lucky 7 with great interest. Two footers are my prototype of choice right now. I have almost a complete set of the Live Steam articles about Lucky 7, I'm missing 2 or three in the middle. Forneys are notoriously hard to run around smaller radius track. Some of the guys in smaller scales have "played" with the tender truck. Instead of it pivoting in a fixed position it has some side to side play.
There is a formula to figure out the minimum radius for a Forney that may help before anyone decides to build 7. I am actually thinking about building one of the smaller Forneys run by B&B and later Sandy River. My interest in 7 is primarily to get up to speed on Forney design since there are no good plans for a Hinkley Forney.
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Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:16:58 -0400
From: "Tom Keenan"
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
In the April 1994 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman, there was an excellant 6 page article and plans for a Pacific Coast Railway 3 foot gauge flat car with an oil tank mounted on it that might fit your needs. It is a wooden flat car with truss rods and arch bar trucks dating from the first decade of the 20th century. It certainly looks homemade enough to fit in on any narrow gauge railroad. The tank is a single dome riveted steel model. If you don't have access to the issue, let me know and I can Xerox and snail mail it to you. You might inquire at propane gas distributors for fixed tanks that haven't passed hydrostatic test. Two of them, each with an end
cut off and welded together might make a suitable tank if you're not a rivet counter.
Tom Keenan
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Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:57:17 -0500
From: "SharonDeckard"
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Tom,
Whatever it is you sent it came through in binary and can't be read.
Sharon
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:33:21 -0400
From: "Buesing, Don"
Subject: RE: Tank Cars (was: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/H ydraulic)
Regarding GRAMPS tanks, I believe they were all of the frameless variety. The tank was directly mounted to a large bolster casting at each end. Although quite sturdy prototypically, I'm not sure the delicate running boards on a 2 1/2" model would 'stand up' to feet. A much better choice would be the so called wide frame tank. I believe a lot of the CONOCO tanks were wide frame....it's been a while since I checked, but I think this is
so. (Don't quote that as fact until I check!) I don't recall who on the list had the original question, but if you email me with your address I'll send copies of what I have.
Don
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:20:01 -0600
From: "Mike Decker"
Subject: Re: Lucky 7
Hi Stan:
There is a good drawing of "Puck" & "Ariel" by Henry Crittenden in "The Maine Two-Footers" by Moody. It should be in the new edition too. I sure the builder's drawings were in one of the late 1800's predecessors to the
"Locomotive Cyclopedia", I've seen them somewhere. Crittenden did a lot of 2' drawings, maybe Underground Press or one of the other print outfits has the original 3/8" scale drawings.
Mike Decker
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:44:14 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hello & Trying to decide Between 2-1/2" & 3-3/4"
Aside from all the typos where fat fingers find the wrong keys, be advised that i said the wrong thing in saying that that Pa. or NJ Mason Bogie was built on a cheat scale of 3"/'. Wrong!It is a a cheat up from 2"/'. Also, I cannot resist telling a story on the builder of this fine machine whose name is inscribed somewhere in my files up north. I recognized it as middle European origan. which said builder claimed was the trouble when he made
all those dumb mistakes. After the reshuffling of nation bounderies, his home turf ended up in another nation which resulted in him getting much smarter. Instantly.
Oh yes, another source that might get smoked out. Languishing in the basement ane a set of four driving wheel centers which are dead on (well, no. They are a tad small for 30/32" dia. 2 ft. Forney in 3.5/3.75" scale (the scheme was to shrink on steel tires) but they have the correct number of spokes and have square counterweights.Again memory fails but these came from ? ? from Illinois Live Steamers who had a Live Steam article on building a model of the Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch 15" ga. engine in Kent.
Thought of something else. You put steel tires on these centers, or pound sand and make new castings, in 3.6/3.75" scale you have a wheel that is going to be 1.5"+in real life. These are going to like wearing a set of
snowshoes and a 7 1/4" engine is not going to fall through the cracks on 7 1/2". OK,OK guys we know the problems with guarded and/or tight frog flangeways. AND (still more!) the 2 ft. Moguls and Praires had blind center drivers which help these heavier engines corner better than the big Forneys. AND remenber the first Hinkleys made for the Bedford and Bellrica had blind rear drivers as these little babies were born to run tender first, like a little American gone wrong
In a earlier book on the two footers, I think it was "Ride the Sandy River" there are beautiful reproductions of the dry point pen sketches of these engines. Somewhere in my horde are photocopies of similar dry pen etchings of the freight and passenger cars and track details all from a 18something issue of Poor's illustratig this first American 2 fter. The B & B had the most marvelous herald entwining these letters.If we only knew the colors.
While I'm at it in playing locomotive trivia, if one wants to go hog while in the larger scale, in an earlies issue of the "Locomotives that Baldwin Built" these are a couple of pictures of a 2 ft. Mike built for a steel mill in India. Another long leggeded beastie. And wasn't ther a brace of 2 ft. Decapods made for a Chinese coal hauler way down south (in China south. Haven't heard anything of these for a while.
Cam Brown
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:31:52 -0400
From: "Tom Keenan"
Subject: Fw: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
I'm going to try reposting this message since I heard it came out as a 3 letter message.
In the April 1994 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman, there was an excellant 6 page article and plans for a Pacific Coast Railway 3 foot gauge flat car with an oil tank mounted on it that might fit your needs. It is a wooden flat car with truss rods and arch bar trucks dating from the first decade of the 20th century. It certainly looks homemade enough to fit in on any narrow gauge railroad. The tank is a single dome riveted steel model. If you don't have access to the issue, let me know and I can Xerox and snail mail it to you. You might inquire at propane gas distributors for fixed tanks that haven't passed hydrostatic test. Two of them, each with an end
cut off and welded together might make a suitable tank if you're not a rivet counter.
Tom Keenan
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:52:02 -0500
From: "SharonDeckard"
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Okay, how come all I get is little squares?
Sharon
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:43:31 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Borrowing from Dick Andrews, may his name endure, more here from the 2 ft. follies promoting Extra Narrow Gauge..
Here and there in the literature will be found photos and plans of the Bridgton and Saco River (later B&Harrison and Edaville) two foot gauge tank cars the two and only in this prototype. These sre old Socony (Standard Oil of New York) Tanks mounted on flats, strapped down on (sand filled?) curbs on the wooden cars. In the larger scale these cars are (yes - one is in the basement on sawhorses) over 20" wide. Icheated on the length a bit. Do not put a plywood underlawment under the deck as this interferes with attaching the U-bolts holding on the (Dave Rohmer?) stake pockets.I was on the verge of lequisitioning a hunk of 15" dia. FGR water main pipe from a local supply yard for the tank when my back went out putting in the pockets. Lesson here: Higher sawhorses. For the domed ends Iwas going to make domed hardwood plugs; 'spose you could cement in a FGR circle behind each plug so you might get some use out of the beast as a non or low pressure water car.
Dave's couplers emphasise the scale difference. Even 3/4 size they bulk up over the standard 1 1/2" units. All 2 ft. couplers had slotted knuckles so something can be rigged to couple up to those itty bitty 1 1/2"ocos.
Last for now: Regarding DRG&W # 50 et al critters. Not holding a mono[poly on the thought, consider another valid prototype this being Wiscasset and Quebec (or Wiscasst, Waterville and Farmington) #52, a Plymouth refuge from a Pennsylvania steel mill nicely fixed up in Brewster Green with yellow safety paint and stripping. Get on the WW&F website to see her and other great pix of this great resurection of a part of narrow gauge history.
cam Brown
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:27:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: drgw50tc@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Fw: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Mornin all, Cam if yur out there, how do I get to that ww&f web site? gotta see those photos. I do have a # 50 D&RGW in 2 1/2 scale . I was also kicking around the idea of building a tank car {mounted on a flat car type} for a riding car . Tanx for the info.
Take care TC.
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:20:25 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Tanks
While having my heating system upgraded my plumber replaced my old expansion tank so I kept it. It's 12" in diameter and 4' long, not big enough for a Socony tank but may be useful for smaller scale cars. In short, find your plumber ask him to save any discarded tanks for you. Good, cheap, strong.
The plans for the Socony car were recently published in Finescale Railroad Modeler Aug/Sept and Oct/Nov issues of 1999. You'll need to scale them up since it was a 7/8ths scale model. Finescale publishes its magazine in print and on the internet, oh, the internet verion is FREE! They don't publish old issue on the net so you'll have to call Russ for the issue listed above. Here is their url:
http://www.finescalerr.com
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:08:39 -0700
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Reply to TK Tom: I am sednding this as a reply to see if it gets to you as I see it - kinda weird. In case your computer decodes it properly - as I look at your message, all I see is mostly letter size rectangles with a few
other symbols scattered between. Do you have any clue to the problem? I received your first letter and your reply clearly. Howard Springer PS When I tried to send this, I was asked if I wished to send it as "unicode." Also, mention was made of a character set other than the default set. If allowed, I'll send it as unicode.
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:03:49 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Sound Engineering
Has anyone done work on making little gas engines sound more like BIG engines? I would think that a well engineered sound chamber/muffler could be used to eliminate the higher frequency sounds while allowing the lower frequency ones through. This would evolve finding the proper sized chamber for a given engine displacement. I'm no acoustic engineer so I have no idea what calculations would be required.
There is a manufacturer of small scale gear that makes a claim to have enhanced the sound of R/C type motors.
http://cgibin.erols.com/diesel
Any ideas?
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:01:56 -0400
From: "Buesing, Don"
Subject: RE: Sound Engineering
Small sound made bigger?????? Gee, I thought the 'little' sound was big enough. At times our woods are filled with the 'little' sounds.
Don
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:05:16 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Sound re-Engineering
Maybe I should rephrase the question. What I'm looking for is not more sound, it's a more realistic sound.
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:35:46 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Wiscasset, Waterville & Farminton web site:http://lincoln.midcoast.com. All sorts of neat stuff here. Call up pix of Monson #3 at 1998 annual picnic. Overendowedweightwise conductor on flat c'est moi. Look for the suspenders.
Several good shots of #52 here. For those ignorant of Maine, the white stuff you see is snow.
While surfing, call up the Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland Light Railway Ltd. and all the derivitive ng sites. But only if you do not have anything important to do for the next couple of hours.
Cam
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:41:29 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sound Engineering
Hey Don! Didn't our Beloved Sec'ty Bruce Rauch at Adirondack LS do something with the muffler or reverb chamber on his NYC diesel to have it sound less like a lawnmower?
BPP (Beloved Past Prez) Cam Brown
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:54:39 -0400
From: "Buesing, Don"
Subject: RE: Sound Engineering
Nope...that's why our quiet woods sound like a golf course at grass cutting time....and during meets. I think all he did was add more insulation to keep the interior cooler.
So when can we expect the snowbirds to migrate back to the northerly roost? Nice to hear from you the past several days. BTW Cam, you don't have to bother adding your name to the bottom, the prose makes it very obvious who the author is!
Don
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:55:39 -0400
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Sound re-Engineering
Bernie Grow of the Montreal Live Steamers built a battery powered Diesel switcher and the put in a sound system!
Ask him on the livesteamers list.
Cheers,
Arno
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:03:25 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"
Subject: Designing for sound: consider the source...
ARN0 & friends -
Storage batterey powered electric drive locomotive with sound systems are great, but of course have the obvious limitations. If you want internal combustion power and it's attendant run time, then you are going to run up against the simple fact that there is only so much you can do with mufflers, baffles and reverberation chambers if your source is a always going to go "putt-putt-putt" as "one lungers" are prone to do.
All one has to do is read Cam Brown's stuff to see how they do go on and on! Does anyone besides Cam and I still remember the "Cement Mixer" song? (I'm a lot younger than he is!)
Many of the better manufacturers are equipping their models with the B&S "Vanguard" 16HP 2 cylinder engine. It is very compact and will fit just about anywhere the larger single cylinder engines will fit. Yes, it may well be "overkill" in the HP department for most 1.5" scale applications, but therein lies part of the solution.
How often do you hear a full size prototype IC powered locomotive operating at full out maximum throttle? Yet that is the way a lot of our models are operated. If you have more power than you normally need, then your prime mover is going to lope along just like the big guys do most of the time.
Now throw in the extra cylinder and all of a sudden voila! - no more "putt-putt-putt", but the better sounding rumble of two exhausts going in and out of sync (particularly with a good muffler and reverb chamber attached).
Cost is another matter. Are you willing to spend almost 2x as much for electric start and two cylinders. The solution is there, but it is costly!
Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products.
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:10:32 -0500
From: "SharonDeckard"
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
What is this?
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Springer
To: 7-plus-NGM@egroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [7-plus-NGM] Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: drgw50tc@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
Dear Sharon something is goin kafluie with your message. All's that appears is yp<. Wus up with that?
TC.
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:38:59 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Designing for sound: consider the source...
"Cement Mixer - Putzie - Putzie"The revered Don Marshall pegged me best:
"Cam, you write the same as you talk!" Curse or blessing?
At Largo Central, Angie oure Sec'ty, has an "Irish Mail" pump car that kids of all ages take out for exercise after the day's run. You have the choice of silence(seldom chosen) steam or diesel. Which reminds me, as always happens, of another story, west coast style of the fellow who had one of the first Dodge minivans painted in SP Daylight livery and equipped with a full sound system offering slow or fast, diesal or steam, freight or passenger sounds. Story I heard had him offering photo runbys in supermarket parking lots.
Cam B
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:28:31 -0400
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Designing for sound: consider the source...
Well Rudy,
I'm in live steam. I gave Bernie 'ell when I saw him use that sound system at the 1999 Adirondack Spring meet.
Bad enought he built a 'Diesel' but at least it did not make a racket. Then he had to put in a sound system ... !!!
I'll make exceptions in my mind if you build the oil burner yourself. Edgar T. Westbury had a lot of IC building articles in the '50ies in Model Engineer.
My C$ 0.02 (U$ 0.013)
Arno
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:28:18 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Live Deisel
Here's an off the wall question: Is anyone using a deisel engine in their deisel engine? (I work in the department of redundancy department.) I noticed that Northern sells small deisels, 4.6 to 8.5 HP.
How about, a two stroke engine? Talk about a wierd sound, that would be interesting.
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:58:25 -0700
From: "Linc Reed-Nickerson"
Subject: New To List
Just Joined, what looks like a fairly new list.
My interest is 3 3/4" Scale Sandy River and Rangeley Lakes. Current projects are #10 & #24 which are being built simultaneously to take advantage of duplicate parts.
I'm using Power Models and Mercer castings... the Power Model castings being far superior.
I'm a life member at WW&F museum, and will be there for the track laying weekend in May.
I also volunteer 1 or 2 weeks a year at the Puffing Billy Railway in Belgrave, Australia in their workshop. www.pbr.com.au
The NA 2-6-2 tank locos are of special interest as they are Baldwin "knock-offs" from the Newport Works, and even though they are 2' 6" gauge many parts would be interchangeable with SR&RL engines. Original 1 & 2 were Baldwins, 3 & 4 were built in Australia from Baldwin parts, 5 through 14 were entirely Newport products. #3 still exists, but is awaiting rebuilding.
One of the Puffing Billy machinists, Alan Gardiner, has an SR&RL #10 in 3 3/4" Scale that is 80% complete, and most of the shop paid staff are live steamers.
Linc Reed-Nickerson
Camas, Washington USA
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:25:34 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: Re: Live Deisel
Stan:
We are in the process of installing a Kuboda 34 HP diesel engine in a 1.6" scale 7 1/2" gauge Backyard Rail F-7 A unit. Two F-7 B units have a water tank and hydraulic oil tank, respectively. The second F-7 A unit has the gas tank. We will not be able to finish this A-B-B-A lash up until after the IBLS meet this August. The diesel sounds just like a diesel. Come and see it the summer of 2001. We think that the engine consist will pull 100 cars.
Quentin
Train Mountain
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:39:20 -0500
From: "SharonDeckard"
Subject: Re: Test of new RMI Railworks Gas/Hydraulic
All I am getting is little squares. All the rest of my 200 + pieces of mail come through okay
Sharon
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:42:49 -0700
From: Russ Wood
Subject: Re: Designing for sound: consider the source...
Cam B,
That same gentleman also has a second mini-van painted SP 'black widow' and both vehicles in addition to the sound system also has a full blown nathan that is REALLY LOUD! :o)
russ@hobby-tronics.com
www.hobby-tronics.com
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:45:30 -0700
From: Russ Wood
Subject: Re: Live Deisel
Stan,
I think one of the folks at Redwood Valley has a speeder with a two stroke in it soooooo, it really does sound like a speeder.
russ@hobby-tronics.com
www.hobby-tronics.com
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:48:20 -0700
From: Russ Wood
Subject: Re: New To List
Linc,
Tried your web address for Puffing Billy and got a mnaufacturer.
russ@hobby-tronics.com
www.hobby-tronics.com
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:55:06 -0700
From: Russ Wood
Subject: Re: New To List
Linc,
Found it, it is www.pbr.org.au
Great site thanks for the reference.
russ@hobby-tronics.com
www.hobby-tronics.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:47:47 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"
Subject: 1.5"scale 4.75" gauge help needed...
Can any of you help this guy?
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 8:05 -0500
From: "KEITH BLANCHARD"
To: "dmmcomo@socal.rr.com"
Subject: K-27 parts
Hi there,
Would you please e-mail any parts list you have for D&RGW 1-1/2" scale narrow gauge cars and locos. Also do you have available parts or kit or can be built K-27? I am planning a RR, but the K-27 is my favorate loco. If not, who would you suggest?
Thanks, Keith
Hi Keith -
Thanks for writing. Unfortunately Como Roundhouse Products only sells parts for 2-1/2" scale, 7-1/2" gauge and larger, no 1-1/2" scale 4-3/4" gauge items. The only one I know of selling in this scale is Warren Weston and I don't know if he is on the Web or not. A fellow by the name of Bob Crone models in that scale and does beautiful work, but I don't think he sells anything. I will forward your request to him in the event he might be willing to share with you.
I am copying your request and this reply to the 7+NGM group with a request that anyone in that bunch write to you directly if they have any info, and I will file any replies that you receive for future reference should the request come up again.
I used to model in 1.5"/4.75" before I got started in the larger scale and it was a neat scale; I've always sort of regretted not sticking with it. One of my "partners in crime" was building a K-28 using a set of Little Engines' cylinders but he never got past the frame/drivers/cylinders/counterbalances and rods before we switched scales.
Good luck!
--
Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products
dmmcomo@socal.rr.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:06:46 -0000
From: keith_blanchard@fmc.com
Subject: New To List
Hi gang,
I am new to the list, Keith Blanchard, Fresno, CA. I have been modeling for about 40 years in many small scales and prototypes. I thought it was time to build a real railroad, Live Steam. I would like to use may favorite railroad and locomotive, D&RGW K-27. Being a newby to this large scale, just getting started, I am at the mercy of the group to lead me to the best scale and parts to use. By checking what is going on, I suspect that 7-1/2" gauge would be about 2-1/2 scale in narrow gauge? I will be using only about 20 acres for the RR. Here near Fresno, we have alot of very flat, cheap land. I would like to build the locomotive myself. Hopefuly the parts are available. I believe it is the best way to become familuar with the working parts. This should not be a problem, I have been a mechanic for years and have a machine shop at my disposal. With all of these
ducks (mudhens) now in a row, the time is right to do the job. I am looking forward to chating with you all. From the archives, it looks like alot of nice people are on the list.
Cheers, Keith
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:02:54 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: New To List
WW&F LM#151 here collecting good reasons to get to Sheepscot late May. We'll meet, perchance.
My meanderings in the paper industry never took to Camas. Does (did) the stiny ol' mill keep you alive?
Cam B
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:56:47 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Live Deisel
i before e except after c.
Again poor memory but a couple of years ago a chap (from MI?) showed at the Largo Feb, meet with a true diesel. Santa Fe war bonnet suit.Pulled everything that could be hung on her. Marvelous sound - I should say aura. You knew with all your senses, hearing included, that that was an engine.
Two cylinder jobs showing up both at FL and NY tracks i frequent. Good pullers but can't recall the decibels they put out.
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:19:29 -0500
From: "Tom Casper"
Subject: RE: New To List
Hi Keith, I don't believe there is a kit for a K-27 available yet. 2 1/2" scale is correct for 7 1/2" gauge. You will hopefully get many suggestions on what you can use to build that engine.
Later;
Tom Casper
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:38 -0500
From: "KEITH BLANCHARD"
Subject: K-27 in 2-1/2"
Hi gang,
With the scale at 2-1/2", what would be the proper gauge for narrow gauge?
7-1/2" or 7-1/4"? Just starting to gather notes to build a K-27. Wow, no kit available. If I can just get past the boiler, drivers and cylinders, the rest should be generic, or machine work. I wonder if Tom Miller's K-36 pump could be used when he has them available. Hey Tom, What minimum radius does the K-36 feel at ease with? Did you use the dreaded blind drivers? It would be just my luck to decide to build a K-36 also. But first, I will eat the K-27 elephant one bite at a time. I also would like to say Thank You to Rudy of Como Roundhouse for leading me to this thread.
Cheers, Keith
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:04:01 -0700
From: "Linc Reed-Nickerson"
Subject: RE: Puffing Billy address
Sorry, it is .org, should have checked it before sending!
http://www.pbr.org.au
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:27:10 EDT
From: btflco@aol.com
Subject: Check this out...
For Keith and the newbies, this is what is happening in 7+ gauge so check out the link and you won't be dissapointed...
Jeff Badger
http://www.steam-locomotive.com/almccuex.html
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:05:17 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: Re: K-27 in 2-1/2"
Keith:
Living in Fresno, you should know that 7 1/2" gauge track is used everywhere in the United States except for parts of New England, where you will find 7 1/4" gauge. If you want to be able to operate your engine on other tracks or have visiting engines, you will want to build your track to 7 1/2" gauge. Of course, nobody actually builds 7 1/2" gauge track See the entry on "Track Gauge" in the attached.
You should check out Roll Models, Inc., located in Fresno, which has a number of narrow gauge items that might be of interest.
Quentin
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:31:21 +1200
From: "Hansen-Hill"
Subject: plastic/wood ties
http://www.r-tie.com./index.html
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:05:22 -0400
From: "Buesing, Don"
Subject: RE: K-27 in 2-1/2"
Just a quick adjustment to Quentin's good advice.
The 7 1/4" gauge territory is a bit more than parts of New England. New England is typically referred to as the area including Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. It should be noted that in addition to all of New England,the land of 7 1/4" also includes all of New York, New Jersey, and most of Pennsylvania (if not all). Also, we can not forget our Canadian Friends who also enjoy 7 1/4", at least in the eastern half of Ontario, all of Quebec, New Foundland and the Maritime Provinces too.
I hope this is not redundant to a posting I haven't viewed yet. Sorry if it is.
Come see us sometime!
Don
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:44:17 -0400
From: Arno Martens
Subject: Re: Re: K-27 in 2-1/2"
Could you tell an ignorant Canuck when NJ and PA joined New England?
;->)
Arno
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:40:59 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: K-27 in 2-1/2"
Kieth - 7 1/4" is in a much larger area than just New England. Try multiplying 4' 81/2" by 1 1/2" per foot and tell me what you get. Somewhere in the past either a) they coulnd't do math or b) they were modelling 5' gauge thinking that would be the world standard someday.
Sometime there will be a compromise. The Zizzinati Zinder Zniffers accomodate equipment built for both gauges. I've memtioned before that Don Marshall fudged things here and there so an engine would be bipolar, biguage, whatever. Sticky points are guarded frogs, which one does not see very often and narrow wheel treads. And someone made a snide remark about blind drivers. The big NG boys did it so what's wrong with doing it on a model? Think of the tire width at the same time.
CB
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:44:01 -0700
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: Re: New To List
Hi Keith: Welcome
I don't know all of the suppliers for 2-1/2" scale Colorado RR type locomotives. Tom Miller is about to have one, also contact Como Roundhouse Products, who is representing Conway Locomotive. Como is Rudy van Wingen, member of this group.
Howard Springer
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:15:23 -0400
From: "Buesing, Don"
Subject: RE: K-27 in 2-1/2"
Good Morning Cam,
How are things in Sunny Florida. I drove out to ALS last night to drop off a pair of trucks, had to clear the road of fallen limbs from Sunday's snow (concrete)storm. Us cold blooded northern types are enjoying the fact that it only freezes at night now. Since we need to expend a bit more of our energy to staying warm, help is sometimes needed for the more in depth cranial persuits such as understanding certain prose.
One area that I really need some help with this morning is in regard to your entire first paragraph below? I haven't got the foggiest idea as to what you are talking about. It's been a while since I brushed up on the CB
Interpretation Theorum and I'm a bit rusty. Hope to once again have it completely understood before your return to the north. Will that be soon, I hope? I may need a tutor.
Having fun, Don
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:16:22 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Who's on first?
I prefer not to slam eith 7.25" or 7.5" gauges. I will be building in 7.25" since I live in the small area (LOL) where it's used. I did the math on some popular scale/gauge combinations. 7.5" is actually easier to model
in for simple math. See chart below:
| guage | track | scale |
|---|
| 24.000 | 7.250 | 3.625 |
| 30.000 | 7.250 | 2.900 |
| 36.000 | 7.250 | 2.417 |
| 56.500 | 7.250 | 1.540 |
| |
| 24.000 | 7.500 | 3.750 |
| 30.000 | 7.500 | 3.000 |
| 36.000 | 7.500 | 2.500 |
| 56.500 | 7.500 | 1.593 |
It's amazing how many comments can be made over 1/4"!
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:53:30 -0400
From: "Bruce"
Subject: Re: K-27 in 2-1/2"
This past weekend I went to the Iron Acres Gold Spike Ceremony
http://ironacresrailroad.homestead.com/ and their track will accommodate
both 7 1/4" and 7 1/2" gauge cars and loco's. The track was very accuratly
layed especially in the areas of switches.
Bruce Mowbray
trainhead@mymail.emcyber.com
http://www.geocities.com/trainhead391
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 8:35 -0500
From: "KEITH BLANCHARD"
Subject: K-27 Thanks
Thank all of you for the great info. I will pay RMI here in Fresno a visit. Maybe they can help with the side frames. I work at FMC in Madera, just north ofFresno. We have a plasma cutter which might work for making the side frames and any other thick plate parts, if I can make the drawings on CAD. One of my friends that also works here is a CAD drafter. I just need to figure out how thick the material should be. I suspect this would be an area that might be a little thicker than scale, just for good measure and safety. The springs should be available somewhere, I hope.
I hope I am not making a mistake, using this large scale, 2-1/2". Some have mentioned regretting leaving 1-1/2" scale. That scale might be a little tipsy in narrow gauge, 4-3/4"? I want the track to remain 7-1/2" so other steamers (visiters) can run their 1-1/2" scale standard gauge if they want. But the structures and other details will remain 2-1/2" D&RGW. I just gotta model narrow gauge. The trips to Chama are getting costly.
From your links I see that there are alot of nice locomotives out there. Bruce's latest is great. I have a weakness for the old time stuff. Looks like I opened a can of worms with the 1/4" difference in track gauge. I had read that there were both gauges here in the U.S. It seems to be manily in the East Coast area. I guess that shows how much of a newbe I am. It has been a long time since I visited any live steam event. I couldn't remember the details. I never thought that I would seriously be building in that scale. Now with the land at my disposal and machine shop, I will regret it if I don't take advantage of the moment.
Thanks again, Keith
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:46:20 -0000
From: "Donald Dickens"
Subject: Tables worth saving
Stan,
I entered your tables into the database section of the list as an experiment in using them to save "good stuff". If you object I'll delete. Please forgiver the presumption.
Don Dickens
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:06:10 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Re: Tables worth saving
Oh my god NO! Just kidding, I don't send anything to egroups that can't be shared. Just send me my split on the royalties when the checks start rolling in.
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:55:06 -0400
From: "Tom Keenan"
Subject: Re: Who's on first?
Comparing 7 1/2" purists versus 7 1/4" purists seems like a lot of controversy over nothing when the correct gauge for 1 1/2" scale is 7 1/16". Try dividing 56.5" by 8.
Tom Keenan
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:39:24 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
Don:
Thank you for casting light on my ignorance of the true extent of 7 1/4" gauge railroading in North America. Oregon is far removed from the Northeastern part of North America; it is hard to comprehend I have not seen. The "Gauge (7 1/2"/7 1/4")" entry in Train Mountain Encyclopedia has been rewritten based on your contribution, and is attached for your further review.
Does anyone know the actual story (names, dates, places) of how 7 1/4" gauge was misunderstood as 7 1/2" gauge when a new track was being constructed?
Once IBLS 2000 is over with, I look forward to the opportunity to visit the 7 1/4" tracks in northeastern North America.
Thanks Again,
Quentin
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:12:33 EDT
From: Mt14l@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Myster
I believe 7-1/4 started in UK before there was much interest in the US. Naturally the first 1-1/2" scale in US started out as 7-1/4 particularly when most of the interest in the 1930's and 1940's was on the US East Coast.
Somehow 7-1/2 started out on the West Coast of US - seems to me long ago I read an article on how the the two different gauges originated in Live Steam Magazine back in the 1960's?
The evolution as I remember it......
Dave S.
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:58:57 -0700
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: Re: Who's on first?
Tom - No soap again - Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Keenan
To: 7-plus-NGM@egroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [7-plus-NGM] Who's on first?
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:56:18 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
Does anyone have access to Live Steam back issues from the 1960's who can track down this article on the accident of how we ended up with 7 1/2" gauge? I would like to include it in the Train Mountain Encyclopedia, so that what must be a very interesting story can be memorialized.
Quentin
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:58:36 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
All sorts of stories float about on this transgresion. Heard one this morning, from a soon to be member of this coven, that the extra half was added inadvertantly when someone still active (no names here to protect both the innocent and the guilty) wrote down 1/2" instead of 1/4" when making notes during a call to the east on how to build track. getting to the point where we could take up that great theoligical debate on how many angels can stand on the head of a pin.
I got shot down in this same conversation on my theory od wider tires being great for NG built to 2 1/2 or 3.6"/' to run bi on both 7 1/4 and 7 1/2". Owner reports that a loco with wide (EEE?) shoe size does a number on the
frogswhere the outer edge works down the turnout size. Also running his NG EEE on protected frogs is a real teeth rattler and loco depreciating experiance as well as being hard on the kidneys.
Cam B
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:40:02 -0500
From: "SharonDeckard"
Subject: Re: Who's on first?
Why do I keep getting this?
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Springer
To: 7-plus-NGM@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [7-plus-NGM] Who's on first?
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:45:57
From: Ian McKinley
Subject: Re: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
Hi Quentin
Seymour Johnson is often credited with causing this discrepancy, however he denied it.
In the April '84 "Live Steam" mail stop there is a letter by Seymour Johnson in which he tries to give a historical time line to show he did not cause the 7 1/2"-- 7 1/4" dispute. He states that in the May 1944 issue of
"Model Craftsman" there is an article by Lester Friend of Danvers, Massachusetts, outlining the standardization of gauges as adopted by the Brotherhood of Live Steamers sometime prior to this date. The BLS
established 7 1/2" gauge for 1 1/2" scale. Mr. Johnson states he did not lay track until August of 1956, some 21 years after the first recorded 7 1/2" gauge track was laid in southern Michigan by Mr. H. P. Shaw in 1935.
There is more information in the article.
Ian
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:51:40 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
Now we are getting somewhere. I have April 1984 Live Steam. Does anyone have the May 1944 issue of Model Craftsman? A Fax of that article would be of great help in solving The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery.
Quentin
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:41:07 -0000
From: "Donald Dickens"
Subject: Wahz thiz
Gang,
Color me curious but what is this reply thread to Stan's "Who's on First" that comes up with nothing more than a banner add on my computer? What's going on?
Don Dickens
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:36:33 -0700
From: George Potter
Subject: Re: Wahz thiz
I have also noticed this, and also that these messages have a coloured banner add on the bottom of the page (and most others don't) ....
no content, just the ad.
Regards
George Potter
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:16:22 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: Re: Wahz thiz
All:
I have noticed the same lack of message and presence of ads. Actually it happens fairly frequently.
It means one of three things:
1) that through a sender glitch the message did not get sent and that there is no host monitoring at all so the glitch gets sent out;
2) that the message was deliberately stripped off so that we would see the ad first thing; or,
3) the sender is not a real member but a shill to assure that we see ads first thing.
I have also noticed that the ads are becoming more intrusive. The folks who host this group should realize that we can pick up and more anytime we choose. The price of their hosting is their ability to sell our "eyeballs".
If they abuse the relationship, they will lose us. On the other hand, if they were to share the revenue from the eyeball sale, that would be another matter. I would like to hear from the hosts about what they see the ultimate economic bargain being as between them as hosts and us as users.
If they do not deign to comment, then we should start looking for another arrangement.
Quentin
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:45:49 EDT
From: btflco@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
Quentin, You should contact Clarke Simm of Little Engines. I have heard from many in the Fraternity that Little Engines of long ago made this transistion into 7.5" through a mistake or mis-calculation.
When Walt Disney built his live steamer, Eddie Sargent decided on 7.25" gauge and that was in 1949, yet when Walt and he had visited LE they opted not to go with the gauge/scale they offered.
Since there are fewer and fewer old timers around the Los Angeles Live Steamers, the history of the gauge wars is slowly being lost. It would be great for you to write it down for posterity!
Regards,
Jeff Badger
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:10:48 +0100
From: hubert@wetekamp.de
Subject: Re: Wahz thiz - Answer from the moderator
Hello from the founder and moderator of this list,
first, let me welcome all new members since my last mail. We now have reached 81 subscribers since
the founding-date march 30, 2000, and that's really impressive.
I'm really pleased, that we have some well known modellers on our list.
From that, I'm disappointed about the problems, some of you might have..
On Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:16:22 -0700 "Quentin Breen" wrote some comments, which I wish to answer and perhaps explain:
I have noticed the same lack of message and presence of ads. Actually it happens fairly frequently.
For the lack of message:
I didn't see that before you mentioned it. I get all the mails in the digest-version, and in that v
ersion, all the messages come through clear without any ads. I cross-checked it on the egroups-server and found something, I had seen before. In the past, I got some private-mails, which I couldn't read. Only, when I presses
the reply-button, I got the complete message.
It seems, that this happenes with mails in html-format, which are sent through Microsoft-Outlook Ex
press 5.0.
I checked all the past mails with the cryptic-signs, and all where originated by MS Outlook Express
5.0, and at last, the private mails, I got, too. For the ads, I never have seen them in the digest- version and found them only on two mails on the egroups-server.
It seems, that egroups attaches the banner-link to html-mails.
It means one of three things: 1) that through a sender glitch the message did not get sent and that there is no host monitoring at all so the glitch gets sent out; 2) that the message was deliberately stripped off so that we
would see the ad first thing; or, 3) the sender is not a real member but a shill to assure that we see ads first thing.
As declared above, position 1 is not correct, because all mails contain the complete text, but cannot be viewed.
For position 2, in the mail-source, the banner is placed at the end of the html-code. And for position 3, ONLY members are allowed to post messages to the group.
I have also noticed that the ads are becoming more intrusive. The folks who host this group should realize that we can pick up and more anytime we choose. The price of their hosting is their ability to sell our "eyeballs".
If they abuse the relationship, they will lose us. On the other hand, if they were to share the revenue from the eyeball sale, that would be another matter. I would like to hear from the hosts about what they see the ultimate economic bargain being as between them as hosts and us as users.
That's something, which disappoint me really. I created this group to give all narrow gauge modellers a platform to discuss and share ideas as well as knowledge. This is, as well as all the pages I host for OTrains
(www.wetekamp.de/oscale.htm) only volunteer-work. I NEVER THOUGHT about to get and NEVER WILL accept any money or something else for moderating this group. I'm only a railroader in many scales, and one of this scales is backyard-railroading. At last, I spent a lot of money for all this hobbies, and will come over to the states in august to visit some backyard-railroads. And the first layout, I'll visit with my friend Rudy van Wingen will be Train Mountain. As Rudy asked me, what I wish to see on our tour, I answered him, that he should choose it, but Train Mountain has to be on the schedule.
If they do not deign to comment, then we should start looking for another arrangement.
I just sent an request to egroups, how this can happen, and hope to get an answer.
Please accept my apology for any inconvenience and be sure, that I never will make any profit on this way. When I plan to make profit, I will do this open, so that everyone can see, that it's commercial.
Hubert Wetekamp
Moderator of the 7-plus-NGM - list
Werl, Germany
Please visit my web-sites
http://www.wetekamp.de
http://www.wetekamp.de/pcr_e.htm
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 08:49:13 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Re: Wahz thiz - Answer from the moderator
I belong to 6 lists on egroups. My mail is set to NOT display as a web page so I don't have to look at the banner adds. This is the only list where I get blank emails. They do seem to be coming from the same couple of people so it may be an email issue.
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 08:52:07 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: Re: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
I too have the 1984 issue and I read the post with great interest. It sees the whole mess from the western point of view. Reading the article I would think that there was no 7.25" rail laid before the 7.5" in the west. I thought this was started in England. Where exactly did this gauge start?
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 07:28:59 -0700
From: "Linc Reed-Nickerson"
Subject: RE: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
When I first got involved with the hobby, in the early 1960's, I received a lot of help from Carl Purinton in Boxford, MA. He was a pioneer in live steam, he died at nearly 102 years about a year ago. He claimed it was a typo in a letter that started it all. Remember when typewriters had a 1/2 and 1/4 key? The story goes that in the letter the wrong key was struck, hence the discrepancy that still exists today. If memory serves correctly, it was Lester Friend that was responsible.
Most of the old-timers in Massachusetts told the same story, so I tend to believe it is accurate. As far as any involvement by Walt Disney, that is probably an "Urban Legend."
Linc Reed-Nickerson
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:05:02 -0400
From: "Tom Keenan"
Subject: Test posting
I have attempted three postings from this computer which uses OE ver5. None have been received in readable form. I'm going to post this and then post a similar test on my business computer which uses OE ver4 to see if the problem is indeed in the server being unable to process OE% E-mail.
Tom Keenan
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:54:11 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: The Moderator is not the Host
Hubert:
At least we are making some progress. The glitch seems to be peculiar to Microsoft Outlook Express Version 5.
Every message has at least one ad attached. I accept your statement that you are not involved in the ad transaction. I now see that I failed to fully understand the structure. You are the moderator, but you are not the
host. The host is egroups. Apparently they are the ones who are inserting the ads and selling our "eyeballs." My apologies for having confused you with them. In fact, it sounds like egroups didn't bother to tell you that
there would be ads. Indeed, they failed to disclose the structure to you as well as to us.
I will be curious to see the response of egroups. I understand that egroups is in business to make a profit. My objection is that they have never disclosed who they are and the nature of the arrangement that they are offering.
If they are selling our "eyeballs" it should be with our consent and we should be compensated in some way.
For example, if egroups expects to make a profit off of our e-mail conversations, they should be facilitating the process by solving the OE5 problem. Presumably they have many such groups and the problem is not unique to this one. It sounds like they want to have the benefit without recognizing the burden.
If they are planning to take the enterprise public in a year and become millionaires, the least they can do is offer to give each group member whose eyeballs they intend to leverage, and who has stayed on board for a year, a share of stock at the offering. And they should give you a share for each person you bring on board. There is nothing wrong with this type of arrangement, as long as it is disclosed, and everyone understands what is happening.
Quentin
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:05:09 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
Linc:
Your note has been a great help in beginning to solve the 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" gauge mystery. Do you, or does anyone else, know what year this might have happened? Was the letter to or from Lester Friend. Who was he? Who was on the other side of the correspondence? Was the recipient the builder of the first 7 1/2" gauge track?
Quentin
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:11:21 -0400
From: "Tom Keenan"
Subject: Test message in OE4
I got a response from my test posting earlier today sent in OE5 that said it came through fine. Strange but welcome. This posting is from a different computer using OE 4.7.
Just a dumb question but why is 1 1/2" scale either 7 1/2" or 7 1/4" gauge? According to my $1 calculator, 56 1/2" divided by 8 is 7 1/16".
I work in both two foot gage and 7 1/2" gauge. I'm currently finishing up a very long restoration on a 5 ton Whitcomb gas mechanical industrial switcher dating either from 1937 or 1943. It was originally a "Hunt System" loco which had outside flanges on 21 1/2" gauge. It has taken most of the time trying to find parts for the Waukesha engine.
I'm also scratch building another two foot gauge 4 wheel gas-hydraulic drive industrial locomotive. This one uses a military jeep power package 40 years newer than the Waukesha and which already runs. I have been given very valuable help on the hydraulic computations and parts locating from fellow 7-plus-NGM member Howard Springer.
Both of these locos will be moved to the Florida Live Steamers 6000' railroad under construction south of Jacksonville where they will power the construction trains and haul passengers until two live steamers now under construction come on line down the road aways.
For those of you who think big trains, try a 5" scale Challenger. It's going to be something like 50' long and will weigh in at more than 20 tons. The other is a Prairie type at about 25' long being converted from a 16" gauge machine. These are long range projects by a fellow FLS member who also is the club's landlord.
To enable me to go to meets around the country and have something to operate, I've just placed an order for an F-7 gas-hydraulic unit from E & S Lines in Ellenton, FL and a chair car from Mountain Car Company. Look for an F-7 in ERIE paint scheme at Train Mountain during IBLS 2000. I don't have the machining skills to build a 7 1/2" loco. I like using a yardstick for my measuring in TFG instead of a micrometer in 7 1/2"
I also produce the FLS newsletter, The Trainline. We exchange newsletters with about 25 live steam clubs around the country. If we don't exchange with your club, let me know and we'd be glad to place you on our mailing list. If you're not a club member, we also have associate memberships available for $15/year.
Tom Keenan
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:53:43 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: Re: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
Stan:
The accepted wisdom is that 7 1/4" gauge originated in England and spread from there throughout the British Empire. This accounts for 7 1/4" gauge in South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. It apparently is the accepted gauge in the rest of Europe as well.
It is a mystery why it started at 7 1/4". It is my understanding that English practice has traditionally been to build equipment 1 1/2" to the foot, or 1/8 scale. Yet, one-eighth of 56 1/2" is 7 1/16. No, I am not trying to start a new gauge, just making an observation.
Quentin
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:57:23 -0500
From: Jim Keith
Subject: Re: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
My father was active in Southern California live steam in the 1940's. His story was that when Martin Lewis, founder of Little Engines, got into 1-1/2" scale he telephoned Lester Friend and was told that the gauge was 7-1/2". This would have been in the mid forties when he was designing his 4-8-4s.
So was it a telephone call, a letter or magazine article? I just dug out the May 1944 issue of Model Craftsman (that Ian mentioned). Sure enough, Lester Friend's article entitled 'Track and Switches' states
"the gauges which are considered standard by the Brotherhood of Live Steamers ... are ... 7-1/2" (for 1-1/2" scale).
So, in fact, maybe it was this article from which Martin Lewis got his information (or misinformation).
Yes, I do believe it was a typo or miscommunication. Even though, as Seymour Johnson points out, at least one railroad had been built in the mid-west to 7-1/2" gauge, certainly other 7-1/4" gauge engines had been built in Massachusetts, England and Europe. ... I wonder if there are any BLS records that go back this far to verify that it was, in fact, a typo?
Interesting discussion.
Jim Keith
Cincinnati
Quentin, let me know if you want a copy of the 1944 Model Craftsman article.
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Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:44:29 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: Re: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
Jim:
I would appreciate a copy of the article. Fax is (541) 783-2013.
I have heard the telephone call version of the story, but then I am on the West Coast. It almost seems to depend on the part of the country which version of the story you hear.
Quentin
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:05:17 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: 7 1/4" vs. 7 1/2" Wrapup
My thanks to everyone who has contributed to gathering information to clarify the 7 1/4" vs. 7 1/2" gauge mystery. Attached is the newly revised version of the "Gauge ( 7 1/2" vs. 7 1/4")" entry in Train Mountain
Encyclopedia developed as a result of the input received in the past few days.
What actually happened may never be known for sure. What is clear is that while H.P. Shaw may have been the first to build a 7 1/2" gauge track, the source of 7 1/2" gauge as the official BLS gauge is the Lester Friend
article in Model Craftsman. Perhaps the typewriter error was in the preparation of the article to Model Craftsman which appeared in May 1944. If so, then why wasn't there a letter to the editor or a correction in the June or July issue? That is the one loose end.
Jim: Could you check the subsequent months of Model Craftsman to see if there is a correction or a letter to the editor?
Quentin
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:39:18 -0400
From: "Buesing, Don"
Subject: RE: 7 1/4" vs. 7 1/2" Wrapup
To All,
It is so nice to see a rational discussion on this topic. In the twenty years of ramping up my involvement with this hobby, I have seen and heard this topic before. Most of the time it is with cuss words and even some spitting at the ground! History is history. We all have to learn to deal with it. The revisionists may have a hold on our politics and classrooms, but we don't need them in our hobbies too.
Quentin, thanks so much for bringing this to light.
Now, is any one brave enough to publicly investigate 7 1/4" land's 6 3/4"B-B vs 6 7/8"B-B evolution? Make sure you're wearing your Nomex if you
do!
Don
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:57:42 -0700
From: "Linc Reed-Nickerson"
Subject: RE: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
There seems to be consensus, it was Lester Friend who made the typo that started the problem. My recollection was that it was in the 1930's, but what I wrote in my first post is what I am positive I was told by CAP.
Carl's' son Charlie and grandson are still alive and involved in the hobby, back in Massachusetts want to give them a call? Lester Friends' son Joe may still be living, also in the same area. (Boxford, Topsfield or surrounds)
By the way, Joe sold the Friends line of casting to another gent, who tried to make a success of it for a few years, got in over his head. I've asked several times about buying the patterns, with no luck. I have two pairs of Friends 1 1/2 scale trucks, both regauged since moving to the "Left Coast." They were a good buy (in 1964).
Linc
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:11:36 +0100
From: hubert@wetekamp.de
Subject: Re: 7 1/4" vs. 7 1/2" Wrapup
Hello all,
over here in Germany and - as far as I know - the rest of Europe we are running on 5" and 7.25" tra
ck. 7.5" is unknown over here.
Hubert
Visit my 3" scale railroad.
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:49:41 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: Re: 7 1/4" vs. 7 1/2" Wrapup
Don:
I will let someone else take on the Back to Back issue in 7 1/4" Gauge, but would be happy to put the results in the Train Mountain Encyclopedia.
Quentin
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:31:53 EDT
From: "Casy Jones"
Subject: Re: The Great 7 1/2" and 7 1/4" Gauge Mystery
Hi Quentin,
You should contact Steve Booth. He and his brother Dave bought the railroad that Shaw had here in Mich, and his Daney built locomotives. That equipment is all at the Booth family estate at Tipsico Lake, just south of Flint. Shaw was rumored to have begun the mistake, by telling Martin Lewis at Little Engines the wrong size back when he started. I don't know who to believe, or anybody else that knows, or if there really is any "true" story. But Steve should be able to shed light on the subject for you.
Good Luck!
Jim Gould
Ann Arbor, MI
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:37:32 EDT
From: DBauer2250@aol.com
Subject: Re: 7 1/4" vs. 7 1/2" Wrapup
Hi Folks:
This discussion group delves into the really heavy topics, like how did it all start, but what about who has what? There are 80 members of the group. Who is doing what in what scales, etc? I'm new to the group, interested in
1.5 and 2.5" scales. Member of the Maricopa Live Steamers in Phoenix AZ, I am currently inquiring about the availability of castings, patterns, control systems for interurban trucks in 1.5" scale. I know of some that were
arround several years ago and wonder what happened to them. They were produced by a fellow in Detroit area named Maxfield.
Don Bauer
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:55:44 -0400
From: "Stan Zdonick"
Subject: What we have
I am currently modelling in 7/8ths scale on Gauge 1 track. The plan is to move up to 3 5/8ths scale on 7.25" track. My main interest is Maine two-footers and industrial railroads. Big models of small trains. I hope to jump into 3 5/8ths next winter. Maybe I'll round it up to 3 3/4 scale since it's close and easier to deal with. I'll just fudge the trucks.
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:17:35 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"
Subject: Re: 7 1/4" vs. 7 1/2" Wrapup
Don:
I am really nothing more than a track guy, having put down about 75,000 feet of it in 7 1/2" gauge. In between I collect 1.6 scale engines: F-7 A-B in SP Black Widow battery powered, two sets of F-7 A-B-B-As in Great Northern and D&RGW livery currently undergoing conversion to Kuboda diesel power plants all built by Backyard Rails, Dash 8 engine and dummy second unit build by Gerry Bowdin with Vanguard 18 HP engine awaiting War Bonnet paint (or BNSF Heritage II if the prototypes are re-painted), GP-50 with Kohler 8 engine in GN green livery built by Backyard Rails, two NYC S-3 electrics originally built by Koster and recently converted to Roll Models electric motors and controls, plus some odds and ends. Have the beginnings of a 1.5
scale Yellowstone which may be finished in five years. See Train Mountain web site at www.halcyon.com/dfm/tm.
Quentin Breen
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:28:41 EDT
From: Smallhand@aol.com
Subject: Re: What we have
I'm new to the hobby and to the list. I'm currently at the halfway point building the "Boxcab" diesel that ran in Live Steam, a few years back, If this is successful, I'll attempt to build a 2 12" model of a GE 80-ton gas-electric switcher. So far the information gathered at this sight is incredible.
Raymond Hill
Orange County Model Engineers (California)
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:10:48 -0600
From: "Mike Decker"
Subject: Re: What we have
Hi Folks and especially Don:
I'm doing some 6" scale on 7-1/2" track; half size Heywood 4-wheel wagons. My loco will be built from a riding lawnmower on a 4-wheel chassis. This will be more of a full size estate railway than a scale model of something. I don't have much 7-1/2" ga. track down, but I have about 170' of gauge 1, running 1-1/2" scale Heywood models. For work, I drive coal trains on the Burlington. Quentin, don't repaint your Warbonnet, it looks a lot better than Punkin 2.
Mike Decker
Decker Estates Amalgamated Railways
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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:33:15 -0000
From: bcantu@ci.manteca.ca.us
Subject: (unknown)
Anyone interested in financing or partnershipping in a commerical large-scale railroad (15" gauge, 3.5" scale) park project in Northern California? About 50 acres in size; plans include large man-made lake, RV parking spaces, and four different mainlines. Adjacent major highway through California.
Ben
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Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:33:14 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: What we have
For Bro. Zdnock (did I spell it right?) Get mon line with a Doc Cernack in France (see cc out of my address book) who is someone you should get to know. He is working in the scales and area that attract you and has done neat styff in 7/8" industrial and Maine prototype. Doc's stature in the NG line is assured as far as I am concerned with a marvelous book and folio of prints on the original K-! (and K-2) Garrets built for a 2 fter (or 60 cm) line in Tasmania. This (these) locos will be running again this fall on the Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland Rwy. in Wales as all the body parts were sent back to there home years ago. Resuscitation has bee going on for the last few years.
Call up the Ff. and Welch Highlands on the web. Great sites.
And hello Doc. You should get in on this e-group or whatever it is called.
cam B/
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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:36:39 +0100
From: Mike Woodroffe
Subject: What we have
Hi Everyone
I am running a 15" guage NG railway in Powys Wales. The line, currently 1.25 miles was started by my Dad some 25 years ago. He is sadly no longer with us. The loco 0-6-2 (Powys) was built by Severn Lamb of Stratford to a David Curwen design and is a sister to Zebedee and Dougal
(and maybe a Muffin).
We run for charity 2 or 3 times a year. If anyone (U.K. based I assume)
wants to come along to have a ride, smell "the smell" and discover one of the lesser known "Great Little Trains of Wales" please let me know and I will post the dates to the list when they are fixed for this year.
We also have "track weekends" when anyone with a shovel and big boots is
welcome to come along and experience working with the "slightly bigger stuff". Again if anyone is interested I will post the dates.
I look forward to meeting some of you throughout the course of the summer.
Mike Woodroffe
Rhiew Valley Light Railway
Powys
Wales
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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 02:36:31 -0700
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