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7-Plus-NGM Digest May 2001

Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:15:49 -0400
From: "Casy Jones"

Subject: Re: Coming to Germany


Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 03:54:00 -0000
From: dmiracle@mediaone.net

Subject: Rail truck first ride and test run

To those in the group that like something a little different I've Uploaded a jpg photo to the file section of my wife Connie's rail truck first trip. Still have work to do and a few bugs but I made it in time for the Central Carolina Meet and I think the smile shows that
I've gained a few points to keep me out of trouble for a little while.

David KA4UFM www.NorthGeorgiaLiveSteamers.org

Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 08:58:04 -0400
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: Rail truck first ride and test run


Great looking vehicle!


Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:28:40 -0400
From: "Ken Wing"

Subject: "duty" as a British power term

For some reason, my earlier attempt to post this failed. At least I haven't gotten any digests, so I haven't seen it. If this is a duplicate for everyone else, I apologize:

In the 1700s, the early steam engines of Newcomen and Watt were built to pump water out of coal mines. "Duty" was the key measure used to assess performance. It was the number of foot-pounds of water pumped per bushel of coal consumed. In these days before Carnot was born, or thermodynamics was even a glimmer on the horizon, duty was used by James Watt to assess whether design changes represented improvement or not (and by mine managers to decide which engine to buy). It was Watt who developed the principles of double action and expansive working. One can see how an efficiency measure such as duty would lead to the discovery of expansive working, whereas a power measure would have shown no advantage for a machine using that principle.

Interestingly, no one knows who invented the concept of duty, which was so important to the development of the steam engine.

I'm afraid I have no information about the life of the term post-1800.

Ken Wing

Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 19:50:30 -0000
From: "Frolin Marek"

Subject: Re: Rail truck first ride and test run


Very nice looking truck! Both the work, style and the paint scheme are great.

I'm really glad to see that someone else is building something that you "ride inside" of.

Watch those clearances on some older tracks though! I found a couple trees that gave me grief! And have one lift bridge over a track that has a cross member that well, is close for head room and only 1/2" from my cab edge.

As I recall, you are running 'Roll Models' rear truck. Curious, what size wheels are on it? As on the front. I noticed the coupler, did you try to pull any cars?


Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:27:20 -0000
From: minrail@hotmail.com

Subject: Problems with Digests

I am not getting any digests from Yahoo groups for the past few days. Is it just me or is anyone else experiencing this problem?

Oh, that's a bit daft, if you are experiencing this problem you will not get this!! What to do now? Any suggestions?


Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:38:27 -0700
From: "Turner Family"

Subject: 4-6-2 on Ebay

Anybody for a Little Engines Pacific?

Pat Turner

Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:17:22 -0000
From: n11525re@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: Problems with Digests

Same problem here- only I am getting ONE of three digests.

Stan R.

Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 16:04:11 +1000
From: "Paxon G&C"

Subject: Work undeway down under

Enclosed is a shot of Bruce McLintock's K-36 which is just about ready to steam. We now have her disassembled for some final paint work. Bruce is putting the lubricators on at the moment. He is also re-working the superheaters to eliminate some copper fittings so they will be all stainless.

Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 21:50:54 -0700
From: "Rudolph P. van Wingen"

Subject: Re: Digest Number 298

George -

Sounds to me as though you are ready for a pressure gauge!


Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:26:18 +1000
From: "Paxon G&C"

Subject: Re: Digest Number 298

Sure could use it. Also the front coupler and the coupler housing for the C-19. I understand you are not fuly up to speed, but if you can get a few things forwarded down this way, it would be much appreciated.


Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:42:57 -0700
From: "Turner Family"

Subject: Blue Ridge Summit Visit

I have put pics online of my visit to the Blue Ridge Summit RR. You can see them at: http://members.nbci.com/on30/BRS.htm

Pat Turner

Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:14:18 -0700
From: Don Dickens

Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Summit Visit

The links at the end don't work for me and my 'puter

D. W. Dickens BA, MSEd, JSI, DMA, RNG

Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:21:39 -0000
From: boomer37321@yahoo.com

Subject: Articulated Trucks,How does it work?

What exactly makes Articulated Trucks articulate? Lose dimensions?
Please reply!

Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:50:27 -0600
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Re: Articulated Trucks,How does it work?

Hi Boomer:

Full size trucks go over things on the rail (like ballast, spikes, etc.) without derailing because the fit between the bolster and side frames is loose enough to permit it, or in the case of a locomotive truck, because the journal boxes rise and fall independently in the side frames. Full size, I don't recall hearing of an "articulated" truck, as such. There are articulated cars, usually drop-center flats with four trucks for carrying extra-heavy loads.

Mike Decker

Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:18:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Haskey

Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Summit Visit

I too had trouble with the pages on both Unix and Windows until I went over to the 'dark side' and used 'IE' (Internet Explorer) instead of Netscape Navigator... :-(


Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:53:32 -0000
From: "Pat Turner"

Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Summit Visit

The pages are set up for best viewing in IE, sorry for any problems with other systems.


Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 05:58:07 -0700
From: Don Dickens

Subject: Re: Re: Blue Ridge Summit Visit

Everything worked right this time. A great set of pages and a great railroad. I'll bet they take good care of their brakes.

D. W. Dickens BA, MSEd, JSI, DMA, RNG

Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:25:26 EDT
From: PrototypeB@aol.com

Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Summit Visit

WOW ! I saw the pixs at the web site.
What a super RR.
How long did it take to build all those bridges, trestles and tunnels?
I am impressed!


Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 12:49:55 -0700
From: "Turner Family"

Subject: Rail Wanted

Anyone in the Atlanta/Southeast Tennessee area have a small quantity (20-50 feet) of rail they would like to sell? I hate to order a such small bit of rail and I don't need a lot just yet.

Pat Turner

Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:31:18 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Blue Ridge Summit Visit

The link works fine for me.
You do know that the German word for a turkey is Puter (pronounced pooter). Is yours an imported machine, a turkey, maybe?

Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 03:25:57 -0000
From: "Pat Turner"

Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Summit Visit

The RR is only about 3 years old I think. They did the 32' truss bridge in 3 weeks I think. The large steel trestle took a bit longer. The tunnel is made from 2 old gas tanks with the ends very carefully cut out! Bill builds fast when he gets help and the mood strikes. BTW, someone asked about brakes. Bill does not use brakes on his trains! His engines have dynamic brakes that work great.
Bill also has a smaller 7.5" RR at his winter home in Florida, not as many hills of course.


Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:45:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: railbaron@webtv.net

Subject: real trains

Has anyone started receiving products from real trains?

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:39:04 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: real trains

Yes, I recently ordered some stock hardware and promptly received my order. They were out of stock on one size hex head machine screw I ordered so they sent that quantity in the next length with a note that they did not know when the supplier would restock the out of stock size. They also included some samples of new products (stainless steel nuts in various sizes).

Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:40:17 -0000
From: n11525re@yahoo.com

Subject: castaway

Almost a castaway.... actually maintaining radio silence as I have been busy cutting, filing and sanding patterns for 3 3/4" Maine 2' trucks. At this point I have most patterns complete, and have tested a few, shocking myself at the quality I managed to get. So I guess I am ALM0ST ready to "cast away"...
Also working on patterns for free-lance loco parts ( can't claim a prototype unless I find some drawings quick!) for boiler diameters of 12.75" OD. The Baldwin smokebox front would be nice, can't find a decent pic even to scale from. Domes are a little easier, as there are so many plan views of locos around.
I am making these parts against my better judgement, as I don't plan on selling these parts at prices I can retire on, but I think SOMEBODY needs to inject a little variety into this arena. I get a great deal of satisfaction out of making the parts, so a lot of my payoff is in the actual work.
Right now I am working with mostly aluminum; some silicon bronze parts turned out also. If things keep going so unexpectedly well, patterns for iron parts will come along also.
I will probably market parts through another manufacturer for business reasons, and keep the prices low, as I personally feel "one is not enough".
If any are interested in 3 3/4" scale and have good plans of Maine 2-footers for sale, let me know.

Stan Rutledge

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:23:34 -0000
From: n11525re@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: real trains

A friend ordered 400' of 1" high rail last summer along with matching joint bars quickly, and without problems.

Stan R.

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:19:59 EDT
From: DBauer2250@aol.com

Subject: Re: Cylinders and tank cars

Hello everyone:
Thought I would throw these questions out to the crowd.

What are the pros and cons of fabricating locomotive cylinders from steel stock as opposed to buying castings. Obviously you would have to deal with the missing cores, but I don't see any problems and it appears much less expensive.

Other end of train - Where can I find the dished ends for tank cars, if I want to use plastic pipe for the tank body. We are talking 1.5" scale (or 2.5").

Don Bauer

Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:49:22 -0600
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Re: Re: Cylinders and tank cars

Hi Don:

The cylinders I designed for the Milwaukee Zoo Pacific, and that Darrell Kloppmaker used on his adaptation of my design, were fabricated. They work fine, and were cheaper than castings. The tricky part is to design the fabrication so that you can actually get at the joints to weld them :>) We also pressed cast iron liners into the cylinder bores and valve chests, for later repairs.

Can't help you with the plastic ends, I know about pressed steel tank ends, but not plastic.

Mike Decker

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 02:47:53 -0000
From: "Frolin Marek"

Subject: Re: castaway


Am I reading correctly, that you are working towards a point where you can produce and sell, some 3.75" Maine Two Foot trucks?

Do you have some photos you can post? Ball-park idea on prices?

And of course, are you running in 3.75" scale, Maine Two Foot stuff/style? And any pictures to share?


Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:21:41 -0700
From: George Potter

Subject: Re: Re: Cylinders and tank cars


The "cost" savings (depending on whose castings & what prototype you are intetested in) may be quite deceiving.

Actual physical costs may be close to zero for a fabricated cylinder, but the cutting, fitting, welding (and probable warpage) may end up "costing" much frustration.

There are a number of folks who have built engines without castings, so this wouldn't be a first by any means, and could be very succesfull.

My only concern would be that steel cylinders would tend to rust inside, during storage of the loco. I would recommend that you investigate bronze liners for the cylinders to avoid this issue. (look for "plain" bronze bearings, and you will find hollow bronze cylinders in a wide variety of sizes)

George Potter
Placerville, California

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:39:22 -0000
From: dmiracle@mediaone.net

Subject: Re: Cylinders and tank cars

Try Mountain Car Company for the tank car ends I think he is still selling them in aluminum that will fit inside your 12" pipe, Unless you are really wanting inside dished and not domed.

David Miracle www.miraclerailroadproducts.com

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:41:25 -0000
From: boomer37321@yahoo.com

Subject: 2.5" Arch Bar drawings needed

Can any one tell me where, I can get a set of 2.5"Arch Bar Casting drawings?

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:26:10 -0500
From: "Ken Riddle"

Subject: 3 3/4" scale steamer

I have a page on my website with my buddy Al McCue's beautiful 7 1/2" gauge 2-footer.

It is the finest live steamer I have ever seen, working air pump, governor, ect.

Hope you enjoy it!
Ken Riddle

Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:31:19 -0500
From: "Ken Riddle"

Subject: Re: 3 3/4" scale steamer-update on url

That link is wrong on Al's Page I just listed. If you want to see the books, don't go to the link on the almccuex.html page. Instead, go to http://www.et-wnc.com/book_listx.html

Sorry! I went over there and saw the wrong link after I posted!

Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:07:15 +1000
From: "Paxon G&C"

Subject: Re: 2.5" Arch Bar drawings needed

To all those intersted in the 2-1/2" arch bar trucks from Australia that we have discussed previously. I have just had some castings made at the foundry and we can supply a set sufficinet to build a pair of trucks for $60 US with shipping extra. Have the drawings all finished now also. Checked a paper copy this week and returned to draftsman for addition of a few dimensions. Will collect the softcopy of the completed drawing this week. Let me know if anyone is still interested. I can also be reached off line at paxon@pnc.com.au. I will be away most of this week working, but will be back by next weekened.

Geo A Paxon

Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:45:59 -0700
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: 2.5" Arch Bar drawings needed

REPLY: See the posting by G. Paxon in Australia.
Howard in Washington State.

Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:02:01 -0700
From: "Ron Koehler"

Subject: Re: 2.5" Arch Bar drawings needed

Yes, I'm still interested. I will be away for about a week on vacation starting in about a week and a half from today.


Ron Koehler

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:24:23 -0000
From: n11525re@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: castaway

Yes, you have read correctly, I am working toward a point where I can produce and sell Maine 2' (truck castings, at least).
No photos yet, but I can arrange something.
I am not running in any scale yet, as the wide scope of scales, for a while, left me scratching my head. RMI's loco parts at decent prices (especially compared with other scales, in my opinion),combined with the inspiration from the boys with the Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake, influenced me to decide on 3 3/4" scale. It seems to me to be the most "bang for the buck". I want to add to the availability of parts while building my own little empire.

Stan Rutledge
Camano Island WA

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:52:00 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"

Subject: NZ Live Steam Tour 2004

Dear All:

You may recall that Sharon and I made a trip to New Zealand in February of this year. We spent the first couple of days with Lynne & Dave Giles who were the organizers of the trip by the New Zealand group to IBLS 2000 in August of last year. While we were at the 75th anniversary meet at the Hamilton club, we wondered aloud whether it would be possible to have a sort of progressive meet in 2004 so that visitors could visit as many 7 1/4" gauge clubs as possible and otherwise maximize their train action in the course of a visit. Since then Lynne & Dave have not only spoken with the various clubs but have put together a remarkably complete trip that covers everything that you want want to see if you knew what to look for.

The details are attached, including web sites for many of the stops so that you can get a sense of what you will be seeing. The limit is 40 people. That is only twenty couples. (Since Sharon and I have already signed up, it is now ninteen couples.) With the exchange rate being about NZ$.43 to US$1.00, the NZ$6,000 per person is less than US$2,600. Though we have already spent two weeks in New Zealand, we will be going on this trip because New Zealand is a neat place to visit, the people are wonderful and the food and wine are outstanding. (All those tender racks of lamb with local wine, yum yum.) As the Guide Michelin would say for a three star attraction--it is worth a special trip.


Date: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:51 AM
From: Dave & Lynne Giles
To: Quentin L Breen
Subject: NZ Live Steam Tour 2004 v 1.2 for release

Hello to you all,
After many hours and much planning Lynne and I have put this exciting itinerary together. It will give a good look at NZ in general. Several live steam days, both in miniature scale and full size are included. I have had enthusiastic responses from the many heritage groups who are going to operate their equipment especially at times to suit our tour.
The tour is limited to a maximum of 40 people.
We only accepting registrations with deposits.
You may publish this information as from 14 May 2001
Tour Leaders, Dave and Lynne Giles.

Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:55:28 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: castaway

Cam is back.

To whom it may concern re 3.75" scale trucks somewhere in the "files" upstairs is a good drawing of a WW&F truck, Haven't tried the scanner yet to check my connections but, if it'll help, let me know and I'll put it up.

When found


Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:01:10 +1200
From: "Grant and Donna Alexander"

Subject: Re: NZ Live Steam Tour 2004

Hey, just looked through the itinery for the proposed trip to New Zealand and you guys have a day off in Wellington on the 17th! Squirrel Valley Bush Tramway will be open that day if anyone's interested in a small side trip to a private 7¼ garden railway situated on 4 acres. We also have an extensive 45mm gauge garden Railway and are currently working on a double garage size HO layout.

We are located just 2km from the Paraparaumu Train Station which is a NZ $5.75 train trip from the city. We are more than happy to meet folks at the station and return you there after.

For a small preview of our railway have a look here:

Grant and Donna Alexander
C/- Squirrel Valley Railway

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:48:34 -0000
From: "Frolin Marek"

Subject: Re: 3 3/4" scale steamer


WOW, those are great pictures of the 3 3/4" steamer.

Where does you friend run the loco at? And what size of track does it run on? And does he have any cars?

This would be a neat loco to see run, and imagine running it on the SR&CL with other Maine Two Foot stuff.


Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:30:22 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"


Forwarded from the Independent Live Steamers List.



I'm sending you the following details of an incident that has happened to me while using a 1" belt grinder. I feel it might be applicable for publication in the newsletter as a warning for others. Although I was using a commercial model (Delta model 31- 050) I feel it is just as applicable to any type, commercial or home made.

On 25 Jan I was using the grinder to smooth the edge of a hacksaw cut on a 2" length of 1.5" angle iron. I had been grinding for about 1.5 to 2 minutes when there was a loud “THUMP” accompanied by an approximately 2-foot diameter brilliant yellow- orange fireball. The fireball lasted no more than ½ second and then completely extinguished itself. It completely enveloped the machine and my hands to halfway up my fore arms and to the top of my stomach.

As soon as it went out it was obvious that I had suffered some serious burns to my hands, as besides large white areas on the heel of each thumb and the palm of my left hand the skin was hanging from the heel of both hands from my little finger to my wrist and from the finger joint of my left hand. Also the right cuff of my shirt was smouldering, my face felt burning, and I could hear the front of my hair sizzling. Nothing on the bench was burning. The only evidence was a few streaks of white powder on the bench top and on a few items lying on the bench. The workshop was filled with dense white smoke with very little odour.

My fingers and the ends of my thumbs escaped relatively unscathed as they were resting on the machine’s table and were protected from the heat flash by it. Besides the burns to my hands, my neck, chin, cheeks, lips and the end of my nose suffered first-degree burns and have recovered after peeling as if a bad sunburn. I was wearing glasses and these protected my eyes, which appear to not have been damaged. I also lost half my moustache, 3/4 of my eyebrows, and about 1” off the front of my hair. My eyelashes were curled by the heat but not singed .The burns to my face were caused solely by radiant heat, as the fireball did not come that high.

Initially I could not understand how I could have suffered such severe burns from such a brief exposure to the heat. Later that evening after some thinking and questioning of my son (who also uses my workshop), it became clear what had happened. A few days earlier he had ground the heads off about twelve 1/8” aluminium pop rivets. Finely divided aluminium mixed with finely divided ferrous oxide (the black powder residue from grinding steel) produce a compound called “THERMITE”. Thermite is used to fill incendiary bombs and commercially to weld large steel items i.e. railway rails into continuous lengths. It burns at approximately 3500 deg. C (6300 deg. F), hence the extensive burns from such a short exposure time.

The end result was, excluding my fingers; I suffered deep second-degree burns to about 60% of my left hand and 50% of my right hand.

Interestingly there is no warning of this possible occurrence in the safety section of the manufacture’s owner’s manual. As a result I have sent a copy of the contents of this letter complete with pictures of my hands to Delta Machinery. Their reply should be interesting! In light of my experience I feel there should be a very STRONG warning passed on to the readership as to the dangers posed by grinding steel after having ground aluminium, unless the machine is thoroughly cleaned of all aluminium dust. The potential is certainly there for even more serious injury. Due to the potential seriousness of this incident I have also sent a copy of this letter’s contents to the editors of ME, MEW and ElM in order to maximize the dissemination of this information.

Yours truly
John Purdy
May 2001Clickety Clack Volume 16, Number

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:37:10 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: What happened to MEG Steam?

A couple of weeks ago I was at a livesteam meet in central Texas and had the pleasure of running a 3 3/4" 0-4-0 built from plans for the MEG Steam Wendy. What a sweet locomotive to fire. I thourghly enjoyed the experience and while talking with the builder discovered that the only castings he used were the cylinders, everything else was fabricated. Unfortunately, it appears that MEG Steam has gone bust. The web site and phone number are no longer valid.

Anyone have any information to shed on the subject?

Anyone know where I could get cylinder castings for a Wendy?

Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:34:05 EDT
From: Smallhand@aol.com

Subject: Re: What happened to MEG Steam?

Surely you took a few pictures?

Ray Hill

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:41:05 EDT
From: rainbowsat@aol.com

Subject: Re: What happened to MEG Steam?

go to www.livesteaming.com the links page has the web site again it went under but is now back

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:41:22 -0400
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: What happened to MEG Steam?


The information I have seen is that they are still in business selling complete engines only, no more do-it-yourself kits or parts.

Stan Z.

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:54:53 -0500
From: "Ken Riddle"

Subject: Re: Re: 3 3/4" scale steamer

Al runs the engine in Roanoke, Va. As a matter of fact he is taking her out this coming Saturday to the Blue Ridge Live Steamers.

Al is a true artist! Here is another page of pics that really show just how big this engine is.




Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:16:01 -0500 From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: What happened to MEG Steam?

I found MEG Steam at http://www.et-wnc.com/megsteamx.html

The web site states they that the locos may be purchased completed or parts. Will e-mail them at meg_steam@intertrek.com

Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas

Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:12:17 -0500
From: "Ken Riddle"

Subject: Re: What happened to MEG Steam?

Hi Bill-

I put up a website for Dugal a couple of years ago for the MEG equipment. As far as I know he is still there, and his website is still active at http://www.et-wnc.com/megsteamx.html

I do know that when last we spoke Dugal was only supplying locomotives completed, as a rolling chassis, and a rolling chassis with boiler applied.

I do not think they are out of business at all, but just doing business in this manner. If you will email me this coming weekend I will try to get you a phone number for Dugal. As I say, I have not spoken with him in some time. I hope he is still doing business as these are fine engines.


Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:56:09 -0700
From: John Haskey


There was a big discussion (see link below)


of this on the rec.woodworking newsgroup. The consensus was that this was most likely a magnesium explosion and not thermite. The thread makes interesting reading...


Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:04:43 -0700
From: "Turner Family"

Subject: Apex Pages Up

I got my Central Carolina Live Steamers, Apex pages up! A little later than I promissed, but they are done. Check them out at: http://members.nbci.com/on30/Apex.htm Enjoy.

It you or your equipment is in any of the pics I will be glad to add text to it telling more about it or you.

Pat Turner

Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:01:57 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: What happened to MEG Steam?

If anyone wants to contact Dougal at Web Steam send me your phone number off list and I'll call Dougal for you. He is a member of two clubs I belong to and as far as I know he is back at it full time after giving 12" to the foot a shot.
A couple of friends have Wendys running and they are truly great engines. Fairly easy to build also, from what I am told. Check out the VIME site (link below) for a couple of pictures of them. In fact the original Wendy was track tested at VIME a long while ago.

Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:06:10 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza


Bill et al,
If you want to see the article and a colour picture the PDF "Safety Valve" can be downloaded from the net.

Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:40:10 EDT
From: btflco@aol.com

Subject: Re: What happened to MEG Steam?

I am glad to hear that Dougle is back at it again. I own a MEG Wendy and just love it. Mine however has Allen Cylinder castings. My Wendy does not look like the typical english quarry loc though.

See it here... http://soquelshortlinerr.homestead.com/spc1.html

Jeff Badger

Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:08:34 -0700
From: Greg & Susan Robinson

Subject: Re: Cylinders and tank cars


Sorry for the delay in responding . . . been out of the office. I know this is bigger than what you're planning, but you might like to know that Frank Allen fabricated the cyclinders (and many other parts) on his 5" scale, 15" gauge 4-4-0, the "Sonoma". It has been running very well for nearly a decade --in commercial service.

The only comment he has ever made is that he wishes that his engine were a bit heavier on the drivers, and the fabricated parts don't weigh as much as the castings. But there are lots of other ways to add weight too (solid steel running boards, etc).

Greg & Susan Robinson
The Grand Scales Quarterly [Journal for 12" gauge & larger RR's]
P.O. Box 8953
Red Bluff, CA 96080 USA
530-527-0141 fax 530-527-0420
[Subscriptions: $20 /yr US, $25 /yr International]

Date sent: 18 May 2001 17:57:55 -0000
From: John Nicholson

Subject: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM

2-6-0 Mogul in 2 1/2" scale/7 1/2" gauge.

Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 17:49:57 -0000
From: rainbowsat@aol.com

Subject: Allen Consolidation

Does anyone know when this is going to come?
I just read and looked at it on ccls web page
C wilkes

Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:54:54 -0000
From: minrail@hotmail.com

Subject: Re: What happened to MEG Steam?

This URL for Meg Steam does not work for me. Anyone know the correct address?

Adrian Sant

Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:22:57 -0500
From: "Ken Riddle"

Subject: RE: Re: What happened to MEG Steam?


It's there!

Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:27:24 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: What happened to MEG Steam?

Try it again Adrian.
It didn't work for me when I first tried and I left the message in my Inbox.
Yesterday afternoon I tried again and had no problem at all.

Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:26:25 +0100
From: "Min Rail"

Subject: Winson Engineering in Administrative Receivership

If you are troubled by this event in any way you can contact the support group at

Adrian Sant

Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Billy Jones Wildcat Railroad

Subject: Re: Re: What happened to MEG Steam?

MEG's new url is http://www.et-wnc.com/megsteamx.html

Hope this helps

Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:26:42 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: What ever happened to Meg Steam? (follow up)

Several days ago I posted the original question about the current status of MEG Steam.

I have been in e-mail contact with the owner, Dougal Hubner, and he advises me that indeed, MEG Steam is still in business. The good news, in addition to them still being a viable conern, is that they are once again selling parts, including castings, in addition to complete locomotives.

For anyone wanting more information, you can contact Dougal at meg_steam@intertrek.com.

Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas

Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:31:05 +0100
From: "Min Rail"

Subject: Kitsap Live Steamers and also Short Line Cars

Their URLs seem to have changed recently. Can anyone give me the correct URLs?

Thank you.

Adrian Sant

Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:45:26 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Kitsap Live Steamers and also Short Line Cars


Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:43:54 -0700
From: Ron & Diana Gates

Subject: Re: Kitsap Live Steamers and also Short Line Cars

Adrian, Thanks for the interest. You can find Kitsap Live Steamers at
Ron Gates
Kitsap Live Steamers

Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:48:08 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Kitsap Live Steamers and also Short Line Cars

From another list......
Posted by ANDY TN on March 30, 2001 at 17:07:25:

In Reply to: What happened to Short Line Cars? posted by Mike M. on March 29,2001 at 17:29:49:

: I think this company met some very difficult times both personal as well as business. Ralph needs our prayers and I know some of you need your rolling stock. I will keep this board posted as I know more... Andy

Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:49:36 -0000
From: minrail@hotmail.com

Subject: New Video: Miniature Line Memories with Robin Butterell

At last this new video is available in NTSC format. 50 mins in colour and black & white.

Robin Butterell explores the fascinating world of miniature railways.
Using much rare and previously unpublished archive footage Robin takes the viewer on a journey that examines the very origins of British miniature railways.

Some of the lines included are the Romney Hythe & Dymchurch Railway (1927), Kerrs Miniature Railway (1937), Great Yarmouth (1937), Ravenglass & Eskdale Railway (1929/1953), Keeping Railway (1935), Llandudno (1949), Bridlington (1951) Fairbourne (1948/1956), Belle Vue (1966), Blackpool Pleasure Beach(1949), Rhyl (1949), Greywood Central (1940s), Shillingstone (1965),Hastings (1967), Hilton Valley (1969), Brockenhurst (1965), Stapleford(1970) etc.

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Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:54:11 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Kitsap Live Steamers Operating dates

When is F & F at Kitsap or have we missed it this year already?

Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:58:46 -0700
From: Ron & Diana Gates

Subject: Re: Kitsap Live Steamers Operating dates

Nope. Haven't missed it yet. Last year it was the 15th & 16th of July, although I don't believe a firm date for this year has been set. I'll have to talk to the directors and let you know.

Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:38:33
From: Ian McKinley

Subject: Eureka 4-4-0

I do not remember seeing this link posted before.


Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:50:41 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Kitsap Live Steamers Operating dates

Thanks Ron.
Trevor indicated that some of you are coming down for the June Summer fair at SHAS & VIME. Denise and I may head that way for the F & F run.
Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:49:51 -0400
From: engineer

Subject: couplers

I find that I have some time to work on projects, so I figured I'd start building some link and pin couplers. These couplers would be in the 2" to 3 3/4" scale range, mainly industrial style with a bolting flange. I may do one that requires a pocket if there's a market for it. My question is:
What should I cast them in?

Aluminum is cheap, and I can do this locally. I've noticed that other companies offer couplers in aluminum.

I can also do bronze at the same foundry, but they don't run bronze as often so cost and availability would be an issue.

I don't have a local resource for cast iron yet, but that would be a third option.


Stan Zdonick

Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:42:15 EDT
From: Mt14l@aol.com

Subject: Re: couplers

There may be a foundry here in Maine that can make these in cast iron for you. They have been known to make duplicate castings for antique gas engines using the broken original for a pattern. Of course the size varies slightly but most times that doesn't make much difference. Think it's Enterprise Foundry in Lewiston or Auburn. If you want more infor I'll see what I can find out for you.
Dave Sherron, Scarborough ME

Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:33:53 EDT
From: PrototypeB@aol.com

Subject: Re: couplers

Hi Stan,
At some point this year , I will be interested in a pair of these coulpers. I will build a narrow guage two truck car in 2 1/2" scale.
Best wishes ,
Barry bridges

Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:44:32 +0100
From: "Min Rail"

Subject: Fw: Winson Engineering in Administrative Receivership

Sorry, I should have said it is Winson Model Technology Ltd that is in difficulty. My apologies to Winson Engineering.

Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:15:11 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Latest Safety valve

Hi everyone,
The latest Safety Valve is now online if you care to download and read.
Go to http://www.steammachine.com/vime/index.html
Again, my thanks to Charlie Lear.

Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:21:22 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: New Video: Miniature Lines Memoiries with Robin Butterell

Good a chancde as any to ask what the NTSC stands fo? Have deduced that this is USA video system which, fro way back in my memory implies more scanning lines per inch of screen.

Pressing luck further, does this UK supplier have, or know of, a long ago Brit B&W comedy "The ---------(somethingorother) Cannonball" taken on a now long abandoned 2 footer (or 60 cm).Heard somewhere that the original tape is lost but there must be something kicking about as I think I saw on a program of one of the Ffestiniog Rwy.regional group meetings, that a tape with the unused outtakes was to be shown. People who remember the original production tell me that this a classic hilarious Brit film. No John Cleese; must have been before his time.

Cam Brown

Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:20:59 -0700
From: "Quentin Breen"

Subject: Re: couplers


When we did our 1.5/1.6 couplers at train Mountain we did them in ductile iron and have been very satisfied with the results.


Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:08:21 -0700
From: John Haskey

Subject: Re: New Video: Miniature Lines Memoiries with Robin Butterell

Yes, it is a US video standard. Some people claim it stands for 'Never Twice the Same Color'. I'd be surprised if it were higher in quality than PAL.


Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:01:44 -0000
From: "Brian Critchley"

Subject: Re: New Video: Miniature Lines Memoiries with Robin Butterell

You are quite right. The picture quality of N.T.S.C is definitely inferior to P.A.L. but this is what the United States and a few other countries are stuck with. N.T.S.C. officially stands for "National Television System Committee" and is actually the television transmission standard ( rather than a V.C.R. standard ) that was adopted in 1941 by the F.C.C.

Sorry I can't help you with the query regarding the "Cannonball" film.

Brian Critchley

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:36:10 -0000
From: rainbowsat@aol.com

Subject: Rivets for ten wheeler

I am sorry about this being 1.5" scale but what is the best place and cheapest place to get rivets for an Allen ten wheeler.

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 09:26:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: drgw50tc@webtv.net

Subject: Re: Rivets for ten wheeler

If the rivets in question are for detail only, not structural strength than use eschuin pins. Press into the holes and cut off from the back side and peen over if using on sheet metal. Other wise just drill the hole a little smaller than required and pound home. I have found it worth the effort to make form tool to hold or pound the "rivet" from the top to keep its shape. I would also encourage one to also make a drilling jig out of a chunk CRS to keep the spacing even. After doing a row of rivets [say that ten times fast] leave the last hole open then put a rivet through the jig and into the hole of the piece your working on. This will insure a nice uniform line of rivets. The eschuin pins come in a variety of sizes, I believe up 3/16 head size. I have built several cars and even a tender and an engine cab this way with great results. Good luck and happy pounding, get some ear plugs you'll need 'em. Take care TC

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:16:17 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: McLean's Mill and Passenger Train (Both Steam)

Last year I posted a notice of the McLean's Mill Steam Operation and the following is cross posted from another list. It is about 3 hours from my place to where the trains run so if you are planning a camp out at Chez Dennis this could easily be added to your agenda. It would take in a full day to do the run thought 3 to 3 there and 3 back. :o)
------------------------ quoted ----------------------
If anyone is interested in getting photos of the trial runs on the new McLean Mill spur mark June 7th on your calendar. The Mill spur at mile 33.7 of the Alberni sub has been completed and offers many photographic / video locations, the spur is about 3/4 of a mile long and climbs at up to 3.75%. For those unaware of the project the spur is to allow passenger train service from Port Alberni to the McLean Mill National Historic site via the E&N. Power will be Alberni Pacific Railway #7, a 1929 Baldwin 2-8-2 saddle tank. As mentioned test runs (one or more, times not yet known) will be on June 7th, and the regular passenger service starts on the 8th departing Port Alberni station at 0930 and 1305. It would be nice if someone could get photos of the first trial run on the new spur. This 100% Canadian operation will be providing the first scheduled steam passenger service on the E&N since 1948.
Patrick Hosford

Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 19:15:16 -0000
From: minrail@hotmail.com

Subject: Re: New Video: Miniature Lines Memoiries with Robin Butterell

Do you mean "The Titfield Thunderbolt" by any chance?

If so, I will make enquiries about the availability on video.

Adrian Sant

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 20:29:32 +0100
From: "Min Rail"

Subject: Miniature Line Memories

Having just watched this video again, you may be interested to know that it also features the 7¼in Saltwood Railway in Kent. The Stapleford section is very good and features that famous scene from the Avengers! It also mentions that Robin Butterell is writing a new book entitled 'The Basset-Lowke Little Giants'.

Adrian Sant

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:51:15 -0700
From: Don Dickens

Subject: Re: Miniature Line Memories

I for another would be interested in "The Titfield Thunderbolt" in NTSC

Retirement means 6 Saturdays a week.
D. W. Dickens BA, MSEd, JSI, DMA, RNG

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:57:22 -0500
From: "Mudhen"

Subject: Re: Miniature Line Memories

Let's go 1 better and hope its released on DVD!

Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:25:29 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: New Video: Miniature Lines Memoiries with Robin Butterell

Bingo! Titsfield Thunderbolt is the one. I am mad at myself for failure of my memory by word assosiation on that one/

Cam Brown

Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 22:47:43 +0100
From: "Min Rail"


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Adrian Sant

Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:30:32 -0000
From: minrail@hotmail.com

Subject: Miniature Lines Memories

I have had reports from the USA that my website is not available to place orders. Can anyone tell me what the problem is as it seems to work for me.

Try also






If you still can not get through please e-mail me off list.


Thank You


Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 21:32:45 +0100
From: "Min Rail"

Subject: Heywood Journal No 48

The Heywood Society Journal is of interest to all miniature rail enthusiasts. Although membership of this UK based society is, unfortunately, strictly limited, the journal can now be purchased by anyone and is recommended reading!

The Spring 2001 edition No.48 is now available to non-members at £4.40 incl. P&P.(UK) or $10 incl. Airmail (North America).

Articles include:-

More on Cagney Locomotives in the UK, The Miniature Locomotive of His Imperial Highness The Emperor Franz Joseph of Austria, Eastleigh Lakeside Railway, Miniature Railway News, The Story of a Signal Box, Mr.Flooks' Last Loco, The Duffield Bank Dining Carriage, Lost Miniature Railways, The Wells-Walsingham Light Railway etc.


Adrian Sant

Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:11:55 -0000
From: minrail@hotmail.com

Subject: Titfield Thunderbolt

Sorry! It is not available in the USA on NTSC or DVD. It is available in the UK in PAL format only. As a consolation, here is a really good site on the subject. http://mail.bris.ac.uk/~liserc/tit.html

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:23:33 -0600
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Re: Titfield Thunderbolt


The "Titfield Thunderbolt" has been on American Movie Classics, you might keep an eye out in your movie listings. AMC has also had "Denver & Rio Grande", "Ticket To Tomahawk", and "Silver Streak", with the original CB&Q "Zephyr". One of my favorites is titled "Danger Lights". It was filmed under the wire on the Milwaukee Road out West. There are no electric locos in it, but the action is (mostly) authentic with proper whistle signals and procedures. A nice, interesting "everyday" railroad movie, though the 3-hour trip to Chicago is a little strained, complete with the hero (the Engineer...naturally, but I'm biased) climbing out onto the spring bar of a Cole trailing truck to cool a hot box.....at speed.


Mike Decker

Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:26:41 EDT
From: PrototypeB@aol.com

Subject: Does anyone know about...

Hello, I am very close to purchasing a Maxitrak Li'l Jo, 2-4-0 w/ tender, machined kit.
A very nice looking ( from the photos) Porter style NG steamer. 2 1/2" scale on 7 1/4 " track.
I thought I would ask around first, to hear of anyone's experiences with these kits. I am a skilled woodworker, but not nearly as experienced with metal.- so that's why the machined kit is best for me.
I did read an article online about building the Pearl, which was informative.
If anyone has had any experience with Maxitrak or their product, I would very much like to hear about it.
You could email me direct if you want to be confidential.

Barry Bridges