Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 17:09:54 -0400
From: "Bret Kueber"
Subject: Narrow gauge on standard track
Based on the response to my question on the sweet creek, I have a couple of questions to pose to the group:
Is there a problem with stability of narrow gauge engines at standard 1.5" scale clubs?
Do most clubs mind narrow gauge equipment running there?
Is there really a clearence problem with 28" wide locos at most clubs?
I measured the clearence at our club, and it wouldn't be a problem. But as I plan to travel with my engine quite a bit, I was hoping to have as much freedom of choice as I could. Yet I really like the scale and power of narrow gauge equipment.
P.S. All are welcome at our club!!
Thank You,
Bret Kueber
Vice President
Lakeshore Live Steamers
Kirtland, Ohio
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 03:15:56 -0000
From: "dwdickens98684"
Subject: Narrow Gauge engines on any track
Bret and others,
I ran my NG engine on tracks all up and down the West Coast from British Columbia to Southern California.(I started the 7+NGer) for several years.
It never fell off anybody's track!
My best guess would be that whoever is tamping the ballast is doing so under the center of the tie and so you have a teeter-totter effect.
If ballast is continued out to the side far enough so that it can be tamped under the tie ends you'll have good stability.
The clearance problem is a myth! You don't see the standard gauge engineers running with their feet in their pockets do you? No, they have foot pegs sticking out beyond their engines. You use the same clearance width and keep your feet inside that clearance.
Don Dickens
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:34:09 -0700
From: George Potter
Subject: Re: Narrow gauge on standard track
Hi Bert,
Stability of NG engines on 7 1/2 (or 7 1/4) track should not be a problem at all .....
unless the track has problems ...... and these should impact larger 1 1/2" scale engines also.
However, clearance may be a slight problem ..... when I first started running my 2 1/2" scale american (engine width approx 20" .... with foot pegs outside of that), my feet would occassionally snag switch stands, and other track "scenery", although the engine itself hasn't actually hit anything. Also, narrow gauge engines have been getting around, for quite a while now, so most tracks should have already had revisions made to accomodate (wheter planned or not, is another story) NG engines.
Regards,
George Potter
Placerville, California
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:31:09 EDT
From: DFWSVW@aol.com
Subject: Ref Narrow gauge equipment on standard track
Reasonable question Bret.
Don Dickens and George Potter's response was right on. I purchased Don Dicken's narrow gauge equipment when I was building my own narrow gauge Lil Lima (a Keith Watson's design from Western Australia which is now in the Roll Models design inventory.) His locomotive was just super. It was my introduction to the larger narrrow gauge after having built a mini Lucky 7 a small narrow gauge. The fellow who purchased Don Dicken's loco from me after I finished my own large narrrow gauge is just as happy with it as Don and I were.
The only additional comment I might add to this discussion is to carefully look at the size, weight and weight distribution of any large narrow gauge locomotive you are considering. All narrow gauger locomotives are not the same. Without getting into specifics and particular models, there have been a couple of concerns in the past. Having said that, I understand that there have been changes made to those designs (at least by one or more of the builders) to alleviate some of the weight and length problems that each had but again it is important to carefully look and talk and find out all you can before jumping into a specific design or model. Building any locomotive is a long term project, for most of us, and it would be a serious mistake to not be completely informed on what it is you are planning to build before you start.
Doug from Seattle
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 12:47:11 EDT
From: steamin10@aol.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 539
Yo... I have inquired as to the Availablity of The Sweet Creek loco, and I must admit I am having trouble tracking this thing down...I will post here anything significant I find out. My statement for its being for sale was anecdotal,and may not be entirely accurate. The provenance for this information will be researched...
2) The Sweet Creek and similar Engines have a great allure for me as they seem less toy like , and are definately more inpressive...They of course are somewhat heavier than a normal 1.5 loco.. But they are quite managable..They do not to my experience present a stability problem , clearances on club tracks are generous to avoid passenger problems so those things become pretty much a non issue .. I myself am using 2.5 scale and have completed the first mine car ..A boxcab with sunstrand drive is under construction... I like the more Human size of the larger scale.. I am building to the imagineering principle of 'what if' to justify all the rolling stock as company or house built equipment, Based on bootstrap logging and mining operations....It is fun to imagine a scenario that gives a basis for small and perhaps odd equipment on the rails....
3)Locomtive stability for design purposes is pretty simple..If you look at Narrow guage equipment it is somewhat squatty compared to standard guage...
That is because it is all built with a lower center of gravity..The expression of the triangle across the rail heads to the center of gravity at the apex is the same for whatever track width is used, making the equipment
stable regardless of track width..To topple a piece, the C of G must be moved beyond 90 degree above the rail....If you look at the dimensions of this equalateral triangle you will find very small diference in Cof G height regardless of the size of locomotive (or any equipment) in that guage...
Just some food for thought .. Thanks for readin... DaveB
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Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:31:39 -0000
From: "frolinmarek"
Subject: Re: Ref Narrow gauge equipment on standard track
In regards to running NG on standard club 7.5" gauge tracks, I've had some fun with my LARGE narrow gauge, diesel loco...
I'm doing freelance Two Foot on 7.5" gauge. I've built a narrow gauge diesel, road switcher, that I ride inside the cab of. Imagine the SP's GE 50-ton, now imagine chopping down to a 30-ton, 4 axle, two truck loco.... or see pictures in the files area, under "Marek Mountain".
My look is electric, uses RMI drives (they are great), has 7inch wheels and a steel frame. The frame is 23 inches wide and 72 inches long. And the 'end seals' are 1/4 plate, that is down to about 1.5 inches above the rails, at 23inches wide. The cab roof over-hang is 23.5 inches wide and 46-48 inches above rail (curved higher in center). And with me inside riding, it weights about 650 pounds (less than most other "road engines" at meets).
Now what I have found is, that several 7.5" gauge tracks did not really plan for a comfortable clearnance area round the train... but simply laid track and as long as the people did not hit their head or shoulders, sometimes a tree was not "to close". When the tree leans over the track, a 1.5" scale loco engineer may not hit his 6 inch
wide head. But my 23in wide cab has issues. See pictures on my web-site with my temporary wood frame for checking clearances...
http://home.att.net/~mmtnm/pics-9/pics-9.html
Running down the track, I have "plowed out" some cuts a bit with my pilot (acting like a plow), because the dirt tappered up above track level, a bit close to the track. Most switch-stands are far enough back though for 23in wide.
I call these "egg shaped" clearances. You side, a bit narrow at the bottom, gets wide around the lower mid section, narrow as it goes up and small at the top. Look at an egg, the idea of your feet, then butt, then shoulders and head clearance?
Now... if you run a 3in scale Steamer and its 28 inches wide... is that at the pilot beam level, or top of rail level, or at the cab roof level?
What I propose for clearances tests, is a rectangle sheet of plywood. For me, my home railroad, I'll use a 32 inch wide sheet that is 54 inches tall. That should give ME at least 6 inches on each side and above the roof, for clearance. Sliding the rectable sheet of plywood down the middle of the track.
Some have grumbled about the size of my loco. The real issue was, that the track had stuff to close for general comfort! My feet are INSIDE the cab or gondolas. A guy on 1.5" scale steamer kick-pegs are dang close to stuff that I barely miss.
I found one track where they had nailed down walking boards on a bridge and they came up almost an inch above the rails, just a few inches away from the rails. And there was a tree stump that was 3 inches above rail height, about 10 inches away from the rails.
I would suggest you "ride around" a track you visit, before you get out on the track, find you can't clear a tunnel or tree, and tie up the main line. More tracks are planning for NG stuff since it seems many new trains are being built NARROW GAUGE!
Frolin Marek
Marek Mountain Mining
San Antonio, Texas
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:39:23 +1200
From: "John Clover"
Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge engines on any track
There was a problem at one New Zealand Club with a very precise supervising engineer who built exactly to the clearance standards ..so visiitng locos jumped or derailed at points ... or just didn't go through. A general problem as Clubs move from usually elevated circles of track to ground level systems with points etc etc. Locos which have not-quite-right B-B can have problems when they come down to the ground and meet points for the first time.
johnclover@hyper.net.nz
Dunedin New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:22:44 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Ref Narrow gauge equipment on standard track
Liked your note. And thanks for your tout of "doing" two foot prototype of Ywo Foot on 7 1/4"/7 1/2" track. Did you see my diatribe in 7+ ( the last newspaper format before switch to mag), especially touting Wiscasset, Watervlle and Farmington #52 Plymouth as a great prototype for the Live Steam hobby tracks?And think of WW&F #10 as a steamer prototype. Such a model would be slightly smaller than one of the Portland Forneys.
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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:33:17 -0700
From: James Hoback
Subject: Ulin K-27
Lists,
I see ads from Ulin Locomotive Works in Colorado regarding a 2-1/2" scale K27 locomotive appearing in the 7+ Railroader magazine. Are the castings and plans available now for the K27? Is the catalog worth $17? I am having a problem with that price. Is he just trying to scare off the tire kickers?
Thanks,
Jim Hoback
Sonora Short Line Ry.
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.
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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 23:44:43 -0500
From: "Ronald Koehler"
Subject: Re: Ulin K-27
Jim,
I am currently building a Ulin Mason Bogie and have purchased from him the castings from him. If I recall correctly the price of the catalogue is deductible from the first order. So, technically it would then be free. Rich
is known for his detail and authenticity. I believe he got weary of those just ordering catalogues with no intention of purchasing anything. His castings are not be described as inexpensive but they are excellent quality. He does offer the parts in sections which helps lower the cost considerably over buying one item at a time. This is how I could afford to buy mine one or two sections per year. His locomotives are true works of art and the castings are priced accordingly. They are not something that can be built quickly but when finished you will have a real head turner. I would highly recommend him as a supplier. When an order is placed he works on in feverously until you have your parts in hand. The bottom line is, Are you serious about building this locomotive? If so, the cost of the catalogue is insignificant. Hope this helps
Ron Koehler
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 01:09:32 EDT
From: BJWRR2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ulin K-27
The first time I saw the Ulin Mason I had to stop and catch my breath. What a fine locomotive that is. What a beautiful engine.
If his Shay and K27 are made with the same quality and detail, they must be something else.
-Ed Kelley
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:24:50 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ref Narrow gauge equipment on standard track
Puting my 2 Ft. oar in the water, there were a couple of things that came up when (too many years ago) I was moving towards a EARLY pORTLAND fORNEY Damned caps, with Don Marshal up in Woodstock, VT. as my guru. A couple of design pronlems were apparent, namely that any Forney in 3 3/4" scale is a stiff long leggeded beastie that will tend to straighten out any curve.
After checking about, we decided to "Masonize" the loco, pivoting the chassis (OK iy's an autumotive term) under the boiler As I recall this was the advice of Dave Roemer (sp?) heard now with Roll Models who did this to his SR&RL Forney after turning a couple of sets of wheel flanges into razor blades.
Another solutiowas made by a chap in South Africa who cheated a bit on his Maxi #7 and docked of the tank into a Lil old tender. This wasn't too noticable in a nice video he sent me subsequently lost when the chap I had loaned it to had his stuff cleared out when he died. Maybe I didn't notice the tankless tender, distracted by the large proper British brass steam dome.
Full size #7 would have been mortified. Have you all received the news that #7 is no longer at Edaville but is now up at Portland?
Cam Brown
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:48:12 -0000
From: "wsflco"
Subject: 2 1/2" C-19 on Ebay
Looks pretty nice, although it's electric:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1731944139
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:09:52 -0400
From: "Pat@Sn3.org"
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" C-19 on Ebay
I like this! Has anyone else done anything like this. Electric steam engine?
Pat Turner
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:23:21 -0400
From: "Michael Denning"
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" C-19 on Ebay
They've been doing it for years and calling it LIONEL !?!?!
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:36:01 -0400
From: "Pat@Sn3.org"
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" C-19 on Ebay
OH, I get it. You mean like this?
http://users2.ev1.net/~on30/ApexLionel.htm !!!
Pat Turner
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:51:58 EDT
From: BJWRR2@aol.com
Subject: C-19 , electric "steam", etc.
That sure is a nice locomotive, even though it is electric. The listing is somewhat oxymoronic... "Electric Live Steam Locomotive"?!
This isn't the first like this. Tom Waterfall up at the Portola Valley & Alpine has been working on a battery-powered steam outline in 1.5" scale to run up at Pony Tracks Ranch. Also, P.A. Sturtevant (of Miniature Train Co. fame) built a 7-1/4" steam outline that ran on three-rail electric track. He ran it for his son in his backyard. Now we're talking oversized Lionels! It now runs on normal track with a generator on one of the cars.
A Bay Area backyard line owned by Gordon Adams (featured in the show "Bay Area Backroads" on KRON 4) which I believe is somewhere around 7-1/2 to 12" gauge (not certain), also has a battery-powered steam outline. He also built two nice looking live steamers for his line. He keeps everything under his house.
Dan Sawatsky, owner of Giggle Ridge Studios and Giggle Ridge Adventure Golf, is also building one of these battery-powered steam outlines. The locomotive is based on J. Wells' "Whitby" locomotive, "based" on a 2-foot prototype. It is a whimsical little 0-4-0 with "bobber" 4-wheel cars. Sawatsky's park is one of the best examples of theming in the industry today.
http://www.giggleridge.com /
http://www.fantasonics.com/
-Ed Kelley
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 07:44:57 -0400
From: "Bruce Mowbray"
Subject: The "New" 7+ Railroader Magzine
Fellow 7+ railroaders,
I just got my first issue of the new "7+ Railroader" and all I can say is WOW. I started reading the new magazine after dinner and I couldn't put it down. I really enjoyed the old tabloid version of the publication and the new magazine version, with color pictures, is the icing on the cake. Greg and Susan Robinson have done a great job of taking the baton from the previous publisher Bob Williams, who we can thank for getting an "all
train" livesteam publication off the ground. If you haven't seen the new "7+ Railroader" make it a point to get one. You won't be sorry.
P.S. I have nothing to do commercially with the magazine. I'm only a satisfied reader.
Bruce Mowbray
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:24:11 EDT
From: rainbowsat@aol.com
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" C-19 on Ebay
List,
At the FLS Winter meet thr Roll Models Exhibit had a tape of an electric Sweet Creek and I thought it was very "neat".
The look of the "clean" C-19 id interesting and there would most likely be model railroad building(my favorite)involved in an electric steamer.
Take Care,
Cam
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:37:37 -0400
From: "Pat@Sn3.org"
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" C-19 on Ebay
I also just noticed on the RMI web site that they plan to do their steamers in 2 1/2" scale next year!! This is to add to the line of 3 3/4" steamers they have now.
I can see it now, a 2 1/2" C&S 2-6-0 with three RMI electric motors...
Pat Turner
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:39:19 EDT
From: btflco@aol.com
Subject: Re: C-19 , electric "steam", etc.
Laugh at this all you hard core rivit counters, but there are many folk out here wanting to get into the hobby but
| 1. | Can't afford live steam |
| 2. | Don't know much about real steam operation |
3. | Concerns about safety around little kids who could touch a hot boiler. |
It is for these reasons I am building a 3" scale Climax Class A horiz boiler which was tested last month at the regular run day up at Portola Valley & Alpine. The comments recieved were positive and the locomotive already has a buyer! Now I got to get it finished!!!
Nuff said,
Jeff Badger
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:38:16 -0000
From: "crown36gage"
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" C-19 on Ebay
Sticks in my mind that I saw a picture of an electric narrow gage mogul in Florida about ten years ago. It was in MR or RMC, not a live steam mag.
--Denis Larrick
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:52:46 -0600
From: "Mike Decker"
Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge engines on any track
Hi Folks:
I agree with Don. The stability of the track has more effect on whether your loco rides well or not than anything. The actual center of gravity of an adult riding on top of a standard gauge model is not much different from the same adult riding (mostly) inside of a narrow gauge model. If the center of gravity of any loco or car gets outside the rail, it will tip over.
On my own 7-1/2" ga. "tramway", I'm following Sir Arthur Heywood's 15" gauge standard that: "the sleepers (ties) should project beyond the rails for a distance of rather more than half the gauge." The reasoning behind this dimension is that it's practically impossible for even untrained tampers to "high center" the track, because there is more tamping area outside the rails than between them. My ties are 18" long treated 2 by 4's, on 10-1/2" centers. If your axle loading is significantly higher than mine, you would need to close up the spacing some, always leaving enough room between the ties for whatever tamping tools you are using.
On the standard gauge, our track is only tamped for about eight inches or a foot on each side of the rail. The ballast under the centers and ends of the ties mostly just vibrates into place by itself under traffic. The
ballast regulators and brooms help this process along, but it still isn't as "tight" as the tamped sections. If they are in a hurry to have a section of track back up to full speed, they have a giant diesel-powered "vibrator" that they run back and forth over the newly tamped track to "consolidate" it. The first three trains over the track are given 25 mph slow orders, and if nothing goes wrong, the track is immediately raised to track speed (60 mph on our Division).
The best way that I can see to insure stable 7-1/2" (or narrower) gauge track, with any length tie, is to not tamp between the rails at all. If you tamp outside of the rail, enough ballast will compact under the rail to properly support the track. With "standard gauge scale" size ties, on spacing too close to properly get a tool between them, tamp in from the ends. Then if, after running for a while, you get some sinking of the ballast in the center of the track, just fill it in and run a broom over it.
Best,
Mike Decker
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:26:48 EDT
From: yrfavsob@aol.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 542
Jim,
The $17 gets you the Mason Bogie, 3-Truck Shay and K-27 parts & drawings list, color photos of various stages of model completion plus a video of the bogie & shay. As the K27 is progressed additional sheets are mailed to you. I've been kicking around using the drivers which will make a very nice 33" size for 3" scale outside framed engines.
Dennis O'Berry
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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:32:33 -0700
From: James Hoback
Subject: Re: Digest Number 542
Dennis,
Thanks for the information. I have already mailed off the $17 for the catalog. What gauge will you run 3" scale on? 33" drivers are fairly tiny on a locomotive. What loco would you build?
Regards,
Jim Hoback
Sonora Short Line Ry.
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.
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Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 20:51:39 -0700
From: Russ Wood
Subject: Sure is quiet!
I can't tell, is there anybody out there?
russ@hobby-tronics.com
Chiloquin, Oregon
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Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:01:03 -0700
From: "Dennis & Marie Weaver"
Subject: RE: Sure is quiet!
No, everybody is getting ready to come to the Spring Meet!
DW
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:09:02 -0400
From: "Bruce Mowbray"
Subject: Re: Sure is quiet!
Russ,
We're here. Just very busy with springtime projects. Mulching fruit tress, grading drivways, prepping/planting gardens etc. etc. Getting ready for a summer full of trains. I hope.
P.S. I have nothing to do commercially with the magazine. I'm only a satisfied reader.
Bruce Mowbray
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:46:41 EDT
From: steamin10@aol.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 548
The Sunstrand unit is small and compact and is the straight thru design with the torque control and free -wheel button on the bottom oposite the plastic reservoir on top.... I dont know much about these units , except the desirability for RR. use..Got mine as salvage for peanuts, only to discover rotation problems...Got excited and bought the new motor only to be stalled by this new problem...'Since they are designed with direct drive in mind I was surprised to find the rotation opposite of gas motors....Now it seems I must do a bunch of mechanical Goldberg design to make it go.....
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 07:14:36 -0700
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: Re: Digest Number 548
REPLY - -
Dave, I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. To reverse rotation, some different parts are usually needed. It might still be worthwhile to take it to a service shop for an opinion, but if it is salvage, the outlook isn't
promising.
Howard
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:48:25 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" C-19 on Ebay
Is that anothere Cam Loosed upon the 7+ world?
Cam (Brown)
PS: My Cam is Cameron. What's yours?
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:04:01 -0400
From: "Pat@Sn3.org"
Subject: More new and improved web pages
OK, a few new and improved web pages are up.
For those looking for another web to buy and sell live steam stuff I have decided to post a "Yard Sale Page". All private ads are welcome and I will consider some commercial ads.
http://users2.ev1.net/~on30/PatsLS/FS.htm
The Mid-South Movies page has been changed and updated with new movies.
http://users2.ev1.net/~on30/PatsLS/FS.htm
My personal equipment pages have also been updated (with a lot of For Sale signs) and some new pictures.
http://users2.ev1.net/~on30/patslivesteam.htm
http://users2.ev1.net/~on30/Engine.htm
And of course the main Live Steam page has been updated to reflect these changes.
http://users2.ev1.net/~on30/LiveSteam.htm
Pat Turner
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:23:50 EDT
From: steamin10@aol.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 547
Got a sunstrand hydro-transmission, apparently wrong rotation.... Would I destroy it running it backards with my 5.5 Briggs for my Loco... ??? Building a No 5 DRG 2.5 scale..... DAveB
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:17:52 -0700
From: James Hoback
Subject: Re: Digest Number 547
I will not work properly and may do damage. How about turning it around and using a jack shaft with pulleys to transfer power to the other side?
Regards,
Jim Hoback
Sonora Short Line Ry.
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:50:27 -0500
From: "Ronald Koehler"
Subject: Re: Digest Number 547
Good suggestion. I saw this done on a RR Supply diesel locomotive at LA Live Steamers a number of years ago. I believe it was a generator rather than hydro-transmission though. It worked fine.
Ron Koehler
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:02:57 EDT
From: rainbowsat@aol.com
Subject: Re: 2 1/2" C-19 on Ebay
Cam,
My Cam is Cameron too. I am in fact in your Winter Live Steam Club (Largo Central) Or whatever they are calling it now. But I am building a 1.5" scale 2-8-0. The 2.5" was a little overwhelming! But I think my next project will be a Mich Cal Shay though!:-D
Take Care and Keep up Steam
Cam
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:28:49 -0700
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: Re: Digest Number 547
Reply: I agree with Jim, but more emphatically. Dave, you didn't mention what model of Sunstrand transmission you have, but you will surely damage the unit by running it backward. Most Sunstrand units are capable of being converted to opposite rotation by a distributor, if it is a current model.
Howard Springer
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:28:59 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"
Subject: Sacramento Live Steamers Spring Meet
This past weekend SVLS held their annual spring meet. More than 150+ live steamers were in attendance and the weather for the most part was very nice. There are plenty of scenes and engines shown from the meet
along with 8 Quick Time movies for your enjoyment. You can see Cal Tinkham's McKeen Car #22 in action that was featured last fall on the cover of Live Steam magazine. SVLS sure does hold a fun and enjoyable
meet that I highly recommend attending if you are in the area!
Check out the meet at: Live Steaming In The Pacific Northwest & more!
Enjoy!
Dan Morris
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 04:24:27 EDT
From: steamin10@aol.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 549
Howard, is salvage a dirty word? This is a clean unit... A similar unit is some 500 dollars with shipping and all... I only assumed to buy it $50 worth for my loco project.. A dollar or two wont bother ....I s there a service
center in the Chicago area..??... I love salvage as a raw material.. go to the re-cycler regularly and find all sorts of goodies....DaveB
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:13:37 -0700
From: "Howard Springer"
Subject: Re: Digest Number 549
REPLY:
Dave - I didn't mean to convey any didtaste for salvage - use it myself whenever I'm lucky.
I'm from the Seattle area, so I'm not familiar with shops there. One complete rebuilder that may be able to help you is Attica Hydraulic Exchange Corp. Tel:800-422-4279. They don't advertise Sunstrand as a line, but may be able to suggest a local shop. Also, Berendsen Fluid Power Is, I believe, a nationwide distributor for Sunstrand. They should be in the classified pages under Hydraulic Equipment, and may have a local shop or contractor. Have all the nameplate info available if you call.
I'm leaving on vacation tomorrow, so I won't be around for a couple of weeks. Good luck.
Howard
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:04:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rowland
Subject: Re: Digest Number 549
I believe that Sundstrand was either taken over or merged with Sauer-Danfoss. This is their web site:
http://www.sauer-danfoss.com/
Once you're there, click on the "Products" listing and follow the folder tree from there. They show all the
different pumps, motors, and transmissions, and they may be able to help you. I deal with Berendsen Fluid
Power here in California and they have always been very helpful.
Rowland
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Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 13:16:45 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"
Subject: Deep Cycle Marine Batteries
A superb source for frame 27 12V batteries is Costco(as used for Mercer's Steeple Cab engines). They have the frame 27 Heavy Duty batteries with ratings of 850/120 for less than $60.00 each. I have used these batteries since '96 and just replaced one of the pairs I purchased then.(they hadn't failed yet) I believe they also carry a frame 24 12V for a reasonable price.
Dan Morris
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:11:00 -0000
From: "drs_rr"
Subject: any 7+ at GGLS meet this weekend coming up?
I'm going to be heading over to Tilden park to check out the Redwood Valleys 50th celebration on June 1st, I also see that the GGLS are having there spring meet and was curious if I'll see any 2.5 scale(or larger) equipement running out there?
Thanks,
Dave
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:02:41 -0700
From: Ken Burns
Subject: Re: any 7+ at GGLS meet this weekend coming up?
Dave,
My partner and I are bringing our 2.5" in progress C-19 (projectrgs41.org), rolling chassis, on Sunday June 2nd. I understand that Pete Mosley is supposed to bring his 2.5" C-16 also on Sunday June 2nd.
Ken Burns
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Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:42:41 -0500
From: "Mudhen"
Subject: RE: any 7+ at GGLS meet this weekend coming up?
Nice website & very inspirational.
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