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Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:07:04 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: Foundry report/info needed



Aseveryone knows on this, and other webs, I seem to have an unlimited fountain of stories, often having something to do with the topic. This one is a bit wild. Topic foundry practice:

Going into the freshman year at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, the newbies were obliged to take a month of basic shop practice. This was before electronics and subatomic particles. We had practical stuff like Blacksmithing. Somewhere in the stuff home are a couple of links of chain and formidable, oddly shaped spikes.

My Dad was a small plumbing contractor who had passed on essential information to his son (right tight, left loose: the product runs down the pipe if you have provided enough slope, and which end of a broom to seize if the floor needed sweeping) When the time came to for RPI to have foundry practice imparted, I allowed myself to be drafted in putting in a new (pounded sand) bottom in the cupola. Just checked the cheapo desk side dictioary and the only definition listed for cupola is the penthouse on a caboose.

Proving that any experiencei s useful, this provided a bit of BS in later years when I got tangled up in the steel business in Pittsburgh. Last digresion: I was the next to last switch on a strange little branch of something called the Pittsbugh, Chartiers and Yochaghaney RR. Bet I spelled that last word incorrectly.

Cam Brown

Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:40:18 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: Photo round up



Photo's taken in April 2004 of several interesting loco's including a Unitah Mallet, a Three Cylinder, Caprotti Valved Pacific, a Challenger, and two "Sandy River" Narrow Gage loco's, in various locations around the world can be found here.

http://www.livesteaming.com/World%20round%20up%20April%202004.htm

Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 05:17:15 +0000
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: EMD Flexitruck or similar



Starting research for freelance NG diesel-electric for 7.25" gauge.

Currently investigating pro's & cons of 2 & 3 axle trucks. I have good information on the Blomburg 2 axle truck, but cannot find a general arrangement photo/drawing or exploded diagram of a 3 axle truck. Something like the EMD Flexitruck or its derivatives,

( see http://www.hosam.com/emd/emd6a.html)

is what I have in mind as a starting point. Particularly interested in the equalisation and bolster arrangement, given it sits directly above the middle axle.

Most of the info I have found is for the wee-scale fellas and they are mainly interested in the side-frame layouts

Can anyone point me to this information?

Thanks in advance

Chris Draper
Winter Creek Tramline
Auckland NZ

Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 19:30:39 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: EMD Flexitruck or similar



From memory, I believe the truck bolster is an "H" pattern with the centerplate bearing located on the wide 'crossbar' of the "H". I also think that there were 4 side bearings provided and that they were radially placed. Perhaps someone who has more recent memory of the trucks, or actually has hard data, will also reply.
I hope this information is of use.
Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 15:50:55 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Photo round up



Thanks Trevor,
highly appreciated, as always. --
Arno

Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 20:31:23 -0400
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: 2.5" Scale Mogul FOR SALE



Gentlemen,
Please pass the word that I am selling my 2.5" Scale Mogul Anyone interested should contact me at: 508-494-3862 Anytime
Thank You,
Chris Sylvester

Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 10:28:12 -0600
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Re: Re: EMD Flexitruck or similar



Hi Chris and William:

I see them (almost) every day, and William is correct about how they are suspended. I've put a drawing of the EMD six-wheel diesel truck frame into the Files section. This drawing comes from the "1970 Car and Locomotive Cyclopedia", and is by the Adirondack Steel Casting Co., Inc., of Watervliet, N. Y., USA.

These trucks are about the best riding ones we have. The "Heywood" trucks under the MAC's are rough-riding, and GE's locomotives are just generally bad....they make the MAC's look good :>) Six-wheeled trucks ride better than four-wheeled, and if driving the center axle is a problem, make them A-1-A trucks as used under the EMD "E" units, instead of "C" trucks. Most of EMD's export locos ride on six-wheeled trucks because they spread the loco's weight (comparatively heavy, for overseas) better.

Best,

Mike Decker (BNsf)

Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:12:05 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Expansion Underway



Hi all,

After years of planning and revisions up the ying-yang the Vancouver Island Model Engineers are finally expanding their railroad. The earth mover started work this morning and the guy sure let you know what a good operator was worth. I arrived for a visual inspection about 4 hours after the work started and I was astonished at how much work the machine and operator had already accomplished. If you care to come for a personal look-see then this coming weekend is the club spring meet. You can play trains to your hearts content and look over what the VIME group is up to.

kind regards
Dennis
My computer keeps telling me to backup my hard drive!
Can someone point out the reverse lever?

Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:13:28 +1200
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: RE: Re: EMD Flexitruck or similar



Thanks for your help Mike, and William. I guess I should have thought of the 'cyclopedia don't own a copy so out of sight out of mind!

Just to be sure I am interpreting the drawing correctly: - the Bolster is attached to the truck side frames via bearings that allow limited play so the side frames can move up and down with respect to each other and the center plate has about 2" lateral play as well (Needed in 2.5" scale?) and there is no equalization between the three axles that is they are all independently sprung to the truck. The vertical members attached to the bolster between each pair of axles are the motor mounts. Hence the one between axles one and two is for axle One's motor only, while the other anchors the other two motors.

The A-1-A wheel arrangement was and still is being used successfully in NZ on the 3'6" , (Affectionately known as the sized RR).

Regards

Chris Draper
Winter Creek tramline

Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 02:28:37 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: EMD Flexitruck or similar



From memory, the side frames are tied together by the motor support transoms, the side frames are not separately movable, other than by flexing of the cast transoms or the side frames, which is not likely for long service life.
If the truck is supporting say 100 tons on three axles, there is not going ot be any light weight flexible casting areas in it.
If I remember correctly some of the standard gauge diesels using the is truck weighed over 400,000 lbs ready for service.
Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:19:00 -0600
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Re: Re: EMD Flexitruck or similar



Hi Chris:

You're welcome.

Here's some explanation of the drawing. The bolster just sits on top of its springs. There is really nothing holding it to the truck frame except gravity, and of course the 415,000 pounds of a coal motor sitting on top of it. The four safety pins that go through the ears on the transoms just keep the parts from falling off when it goes in the ditch :>) The four rubber/steel sandwich springs that the bolster corners set on are the secondary suspension, the axleboxes are supported by two coil springs each as primary suspension. This allows each wheel to go up or down independently, and the whole truck frame to tilt front to back or side to side under the locomotive. The truck frame proper is a solid casting, there is no flex in it. The 2" dimension shown is an offset between the center of the bolster centerplate and the center of the truck. The purpose is so that the truck "trails" without wanting to spin under the frame. The number one motor is mounted towards the end of the locomotive, front or back. The ears on the bottom of the bolster control the longitudinal play, which is fairly small...it isn't dimensioned, but it looks like about a quarter of an inch when you look at them, it's just a working clearance. The nose mounts for the motors are at the bottom of the frame transoms, not the bolster. You can see most of this in the photo that I just uploaded to the Files.

Best,

Mike

Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:54:39 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: RE: Trucks



"Most of EMD's export locos ride on six-wheeled trucks because they spread the loco's weight (comparatively heavy, for overseas) better."

But of course, a lot of them were purchased to replace Beyer-Garratt's

TH

Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:57:12 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: RE: Expansion Underway



We shall be there and, we are bringing Russell's new Heisler.....

TH

Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 22:55:28 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: RE: Expansion Underway



Trev,

Just had dinner with Russell and Thérèse over here. Looking forward to seeing you as I will be basically sitting and watching the world go by and just taking pictures. Denise and I will also be turning in our Kitsap registrations and we will be then duty bound to attend to Kitsap the following weekend.

Do you know if the Weaver's, the Springer's, the Defley's or other Kitsap friends who will be making the journey to VIME? Like I said earlier looking forward to a chat session with you and yours. :o)

kind regards Dennis

Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:54:44 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: EMD Flexitruck or similar



A Quick Comment: From someone who loves close to Watervleit, N.Y., it's nice to hear kind noises about a product from the town. Last occasion I had was to see that the disappearing 12 or 14" rifles at Fort DeSoto, installed to make it difficult for the Spanish fleet to sail into Tampa Bay during the Spanish American War, were produced at the Watervaliet Arsenal.

Nice to know that something more delightful came out of this town like an easy rider diesal truck.

Cam Brown

Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 05:12:34 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: RE: V.I.M.E. Expansion Underway



I'm not aware that any one else except myself will be coming as Janet has a Red Cross function to attend.

We are bringing the King, now running on OZ Char and the Heisler for Russell. It will be the Heisler's last trip to Canada as it will be packed and shipped to Western Australia by the end of the month.

Dennis and Marie Weaver are building a new house this year so are keeping a low profile on the Live Steam scene. Their Shay and Galloping Goose in 2.5" scale will be seen out and about again next year. They send their regards to all.

Howard and Jeanie Springer are out and about with their 2.5" scale Logging Mikado but are tending to stay local these day

Don and Louise Deffley's 1.6" scale Great Northern Mikado is now re-boilered and running well but usually not seen in Canada except at the BCSME track in Burnaby.

Geoff Robinson is with his ship in Singapore for their bi-annual visit to the dry docks.

The new expansion at the VIME track will make VIME must go destination for all Live Steamers in the future. I walked the layout September and again in March, it will be superb....coupled with the location adjacent to the Historic Artifacts Society and the fact that it's located in one of the most beautiful parts of the World means it is a family destination too.

Some photo's from last September's meet http://www.livesteaming.com/VIME%20SEPT%202003.htm

See you Saturday.

TH

Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 07:57:12 +1200
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: RE: Re: EMD Flexitruck or similar



Thanks once again The photo has not come through yet, but your explanation helped make the drawing make more sense. I was confusing parts of the truck frame with the bolster Thanks!

Chris

Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 09:18:19 -0700
From: Russ Wood

Subject: Last Call - Live Steam Meet



Hi again,

It's just me again to remind you all of the meet at the Over The Hill Live Steamers in Chiloquin, Oregon. This is our first meet in many years. We will be steaming up on May 29th and 30th 2004. Please check our website for details and signup information:

http://www.hobby-tronics.com/OTH

We look forward to seeing you there. BTW we are adjacent to Train Mountain so you could get in two meets for the price of one trip..

Russ@hobby-tronics.com
Chiloquin, Oregon

Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 14:02:52 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Last Call - Live Steam Meet



I am terminally lazy. I am piggybacking on this "Last Call ... " note to reinvite a new member of the fraternity, who lives up near Burlington, VT., to the Adirondack Live Steamers Membership Day next weekend. I've been called to Jury duty tomorrow and know I'll never be able to find the e-mail with the right name and address.

If this profile fits anyone, please contact me off site so the rest of the crew won't get steamed at me. We're hidden off in the woods and we are a tad tough to find.

Hi Rudy! advised the troops yesterday that you will show this summer. Ray Dwyer ,who has been conjuring up a Mini #7 for the last eon or so, wonders if you have brass steamchest and cylinder head covers for this little beast? Tom Rhodes, daddy of the Fitchburg Northern generic Mogul, thanks you for the aluminium covers for that not quite so litle beastie.

And they both asked if you have that gorgeous signal/switch stand lamp ready?

If you plan to do justice to The State of Maine and the Two Footers, and let your wife have proper access to that shoppers shrine L.L.Bean, you must plan to spend more time there. On Business.

Cam Brown or to Rudy C/H

Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 20:47:20 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: re: Last Call - Live Steam Meet



This is the first reference I've seen to this web site address, Is this now the "official" OTH web page?

http://www.hobby-tronics.com/OTH

TH

Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:18:18 -0400
From: "russ@kfalls.net"

Subject: RE: re: Last Call - Live Steam Meet



Trevor,

Yep, this is currently the club website. I have it piggy-backed off of my own website so it's pretty easy to manage. We don't have much on there currently but that will change after the upcoming meet and the start of our season.

Russ@hobby-tronics.com
Chiloquin, Oregon

Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 21:31:00 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: re OTH (Over the Hill) web page



I've changed the link on www.livesteaming.com to http://www.hobby-tronics.com/OTH

Ya might get a few more hits now :)

TH

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 00:08:41 -0500
From: Leon Risenhoover

Subject: Re: re OTH (Over the Hill) web page



Trevor any one you know that has built a bigboy you could hook me up with that may be able to help (with wisdom, drawings, words of encouragement)
Leon Risenhoover
Luther OK

Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 22:22:28 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: Vancouver Island Model Engineers Spring meet 2004



Photo's of the meet can be found here.

http://www.livesteaming.com/photos/photo.html

Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 22:54:08 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: re OTH (Over the Hill) web page



Leon

Try
http://www.trainweb.org/jlsrr/bigboy/4005-live-steam/4005-ls-2/bigboy%204005%20live%20steam%202.htm

kind regards
Dennis

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:16:26 -0000
From: "Nathan"

Subject: RSME SPRING OPEN HOUSE



Hi everyone,
Just wanted to let you know that the Reading Society of Model Engineers, in Reading Pennsylvania, will be having their spring open house on May 22nd and 23rd. For more information please visit our website at www.rsme.org or feel free to call us at 610-929-5444.
Hope to see you there!
-Nathan M. Kline
Operations Manager
Reading Society of Model Engineers

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:40:55 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: re OTH (Over the Hill) web page



Tom Miller, when in California, had a UP "Big Boy" built to order in England and I believe the agreement was that the parts would be made available fo rothers with a royalty paid to Tom.
Unfortunatly, shortly after the Big Boy was completed and out of the shop for trial, a fire consumed the patterns.
Tom is now, I believe, in Oregon, and still visits ocasonally with the Big Boy.
Perhaps someone else knows what his current address is.
The model was 'museum quality and fully operational' and has a Stainless Steel boiler in which Tom uses a custom formulated water treatment. I believe he also takes water with him to some meets, to avoid having to change treatment chemicals.
Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:24:54 -0500
From: "Curtis Hustace"

Subject: Re: re OTH (Over the Hill) web page



Leon:

go to this link:

http://www.livesteamlocomotives.com/livesteamlocomotives/index.html

Roger has all the castings for the Challenger and the Big Boy plus drawings.

Check it out.

Good Luck
Curtis

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:54:34 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Re: re OTH (Over the Hill) web page



Tom is now, I believe, in Oregon, and still visits ocasonally with the Big Boy.

William,

Tom Miller does live in Oregon, somewhere near Portland. He has a wonderful home layout and if you do a Google on his name you will probably find him that way. His layout has an unbelievably beautiful two track trestle that is quite long and it leads to an even longer tunnel.

Perhaps someone else knows what his current address is.

Don't remember street names but could drive right to his front door if I ever got an invite back again. :o)

The model was 'museum quality and fully operational' and has a Stainless Steel boiler in which Tom uses a custom formulated water treatment.

The locomotive is beautiful but not as beautiful as his NG 2-8-2.

I believe he also takes water with him to some meets, to avoid having to change treatment chemicals.

Not sure about this in fact I don't know anything about the need for water treatment or if he carries water with him. :o) I can empathize with him as I have to buy purified drinking water for our spoiled rotten little ShihTzu. It's either that or she dies of thirst. The only place we've found where she'll drink the tap water is in Campbell River BC. Maybe Tom's Bigboy suffers from the same affliction. :o)
kind regards
Dennis

Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 01:48:21 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: re OTH (Over the Hill) web page



Dear Dennis,
From memory, I believe Tom said he had the boiler made from either 321 or 327 alloy Stainless Steel (SS), either of which is subject to Cloride aggrivated stress corrosion at elevated temperatures. Cadalac had a similar problem with SS exhaust ssystem welded joints in "salted road" territory for a while in 1998. The combination of heat, stress, salts, adn unpassivated welds resulted in cracks running parallel to the weld joint at or near the edge of the Heat Affected Zone to either side fothe weld bead.
As I remember it, Tom was aware of the potential problem and consulted several boiler treatment firms for recommendations, even sending several water samples from several locations for analysis.
In the end he went with the SS alloy recommended, and settled on a particular water processing method and matching water treatment regemin to asure long life to his boiler(s).
I believe he starts out with DI water and adds the treatment chemicals before it is decanted into his tender, but I may be wrong in the process as it has been a long time since I listened to him discussing it at LALS.
Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:09:21 EDT
From: VANCENICK@aol.com

Subject: Goldman Castings



Roger's castings are in 1.5'' scale where Tom's Big Boy was built to 1.6'' I believe. It is a little larger than Paul Hunter's Big Boy. They both are a pleasure to run and are awsome power houses.

Vance

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:42:52 -0500
From: lrisen@direcway.com

Subject: Re: Goldman Castings



i talked to Roger about his castings and they are high i can cast a wheel for about 3 bucks now that i have my foundry in place i have an endless supply of free cast iron and silica brass. but don't ask me to cast any for that price i have a job, i wanted a hobby LOL. i emailed tom and didn't get alot out of him except "don't do it" seems 20,000 hours might be to much time to spend building the grand daddy of all locos for some folks the wheels themselves are 1/2 inch larger at 1.6 so it would make quite a diffrence over all

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:47:32 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Re: re OTH (Over the Hill) web page



William,

Thanks for that as I've learned something new today. A long time member od a couple of clubs I belonged to had an SS boiler but I never heard that he did anything special because of it. I will have to check with club members to see if Earnie did the same as Tom.

kind regards
Dennis

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 23:04:09 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Big Boy Fallacies



Hi all,

I was wandering the net today trying to find Tom Miller's Big Boy but all I could find was his K-36 on Trevor's http://www.Livesteaming.com.

I did find a site that debunked a lot of myths about the Big Boys and if you want to peak, just check out http://www.steamlocomotive.com/misc/largest.html

kind regards
Dennis

Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:25:18 -0000
From: "Ed McCamey"

Subject: Re: Big Boy Fallacies



Dennis,

Tom's information is here:

http://www.trainweb.org/jlsrr/bigboy/4005-live-ste am/4005-ls-2/bigboy%204005%20live%20steam%202.htm

-ed mccamey-

Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:56:47 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Re: Big Boy Fallacies



Ed,

Thanks for the link. It is the one I was looking for showing that great trestle. I guess Tom does everything in a big way. His abilities are phenomenal.
kind regards
Dennis

Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:16:47 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: RE: Big Boy's



As far as I know, there are three Big Boy's operating in the world at the moment on 7.25/7.5 gage.
1. That of Tom Miller built in England in the early 80's by Severn-Lamb of Stratford on Avon. Oil fired.
2. Another Severn Lamb product built in the mid 80's operating on the Commercial Forest Park Railway in Cornwall, England, Coal fired.
3. The loco built by Floyd Epperson of Medford, Oregon in the mid 90's and sold on to Paul Hunter of San Diego. It would be a stretch to say it is built from Roger Goldmann castings as many were not available to suit Floyd's time frame so Floyd fabricated a lot of items himself including the tender bed. Oil fired.

Geoff Robinson is also building Big Boy up here in the Pacific North West, he has not made much progress but has collected most of the parts and materials required.

There are several Challengers operating or under construction for 7.25/7.5 gage too. The beautiful and very prototypical loco featured on the title page of livesteaming.com belongs to Bruno Platzer.

Another is being built by Chris Holland in Perth, Western Australia and one by Mr. Goldmann himself plus several others. There is another in Vancouver, BC that was started by Jim Ramsay using his own castings (he owned a foundry). It was seen at BCSME at the IBLS meet in 2000. It is not complete and is now for sale.

Interestingly, as stated, Tom Miller has moved on to produce a beautifully built and highly prototypical D&RGW K36 while Bruno Platzer now has a K27 under construction.

Boilers for Big Boys and challengers can be an issue in some locations because of the limits on capacity for hobby boilers. Chris Holland's has this issue in Australia, his boiler is "short" with a long "Smokebox" to meet the regulations. The same would apply in England causing the big loco's to come under commercial boiler spec's and inspections (for example, tubes out every seven years regardless of condition).

TH

Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:17:23 EDT
From: douglasandcj@aol.com

Subject: Re: RE: Big Boy's



Another Challenger is under construction in Kansas City by Jim Hartman. The chassis is basically done in cluding the spring rigging and brakes. Hr has a tender under construction, I haven't seen the model under construction in a year as I believe it has been moved account the closing of Solar engineering. The work is just buetiful and works great. Can't wait till this one gets fired up.

Doug De Berg
Rock Creek Railway

Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:38:11 EDT
From: dlvisconti4853@aol.com

Subject: Cagney parts & patterns



Does anyone know the whereabouts of Doug Drake of Sarasota, FL who acquired the old stock and patterns of the Cagney Brothers? My letters come back "return to sender." I need some eccentric straps.

Thanks
Dom Visconti

Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:11:36 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: re OTH (Over the Hill) web page



Being terminaly lazy, I've just tapped in a rply to the group to get a question off my chest. And to keep the discussion churning along.

Aside from all the Big Boys and Challangers mentioned, I like the obscure compound and/or articulated engines. The late Don Marshall built a model of a logging company articulated. I think Sam Poole somewhere in Mass. has it now. You'll know it when you see it: there is a model of Don's Rhotweiler (sp?) on the pilot.

Point of this e-mail: what's the latest on the Erie Triplex being built by a member of the Finger Lakesa LS? There was a cover picture and feature on this extrodinary beastie in Live Steam a few years back. Builder is a Brit, graduate of something like The Royal Jewelers' School. Beautiful work. We should hope that the model might steam, or run, better than the prototype.

It's boiler couldn't make steam fast enough for three engines .

Cam Brown

Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:48:26 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Of BigBoys and Erie Triplexes (sp)



Cam,

I wasn't at the TM triennial but I hear there was a triplex there that steamed but it had a significant problem in that it tried to horizontally launch ist smokebox door. Once it was under steam I didn't hear anything negative about it. ISTR that there are pictures of it on the TM web site.

I haven't seen a steamer I didn't like so I keep myself open for almost anything. There are a lot of really beautiful and a lot of simply ugly steamers out in this world of ours. Garratts are my personal favourite but that's not saying that there's locomotives I don't like more. Some day I would like to build an SR & RL in 3 3/4" scale for 7 1/2" track. That should make about the second perfect locomotive for my wife and I. I just got the GA drawings for it out of Australia and my wife is really partial to owning that one.

kind regards
Dennis

Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:13:26 +0100
From: "Andrew Walton"

Subject: Re: RE: Big Boy's



Hi All
A friend of mine has all of the castings for the big boy here in the UK he borrowed the patterns from Severn Lamb and construction is slow as a mikado and 12 wagons got in the way see my web site

Regards
Andy Walton
Denver Light Railway
Locomotive Engineer

Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:57:04 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: RE: Big Boys, Triplex's and Garratt's



The Erie Triplex that attended the 2003 Triennial at TM is owned by Mr. Larry Anderson of Portland, Oregon.

There are still photo's and Video of it running on the TM DVD produced by Greg Robinson.

Yes it is correct that Mr. Anderson blew the Smokebox door off while raising steam to do a twilight photo shoot for me. He basically blew out the fire and then failed to adequately ventilate the oil vapor before relighting.

Fortunate Coles Models, who were in the Vendor building had a good supply of the correct screws and Leonard was a good sport in allowing us to buy just what we needed to recover the situation.

The loco proved very difficult to photograph and I hope to have another go someday.

It is also correct that it did not make sufficient steam to pull a load but I'll tell you that (a) I'm sure Mr. Anderson will solve that and (b) It did not stop the loco from charging past us one evening at a high rate of speed. Quite the sight!

I do not know of the other loco mentioned in NY

Another loco in the "Superpower" bracket that has come to light (at least in North America) this year is the highly detailed N&W Y6B 2-8-8-2 Compound Built by Eric Wright in England and shown on the front page of livesteaming.com.

Also on livesteaming.com (and also in England) is a photo of the 2" scale 7.25" gage 4-8-2 + 2-8-4 East African 59th Class 5928 "Mount Kilimanjaro" owned by Brett Rogers. This loco is 20 feet long and quite the experience when one sits on the rear engine to drive it.

It was formally owned by Roger Daltry the Rock Musician from the Band "The Who"

The Big Boy that resides at the Forrest Park Railway in Cornwall, England. I witnessed it pulling 60 adults, 12,000 lbs? on straddle cars up a 2% grade in 2001. It rolled up there quite easily but the "stack talk" was impressive.

The loco has an interesting feature not easily seen. It has a disc brake on one of the axels. Commercial use showing up the difficulty of keeping the loco in brake shoes. The railway also has two UP FEF's also equipped with disc brakes.

TH