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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:51:35 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Pics added - Overexciting Hubert



Shooting from the lip, as i usually do and without bothering to find the Goose photo, it is a pretty good bet that the chap to blame for this 2 " scale model is Bruce Raykiewicz. I just received to roster of the Largo (FL.) Central RR, Bruce is V-P (Phone [941]694-0470 in Fort Myers)In addition to Goose #2 he has a properly coal fired Erie Atlantic Great looking Goose: detailed right down to the cowboy hat, beard stubble and dangling cigarette on the driver. Or was he still called the engineer on the RGS?

Cam B

Last I saw it, #2 sits in one of the ocean shipping container equipment storage sheds at Largo Central RR, Largo Central Park, Largo, FL. Not in Ft. Myers.

Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:06:48 -0400
From: Robert Herronen

Subject: Hydrolic Fluid Question



Howdy,

Quick question. What type of fluid the eaton hydrolic transmissions take?Is it interchangable with fluid used in tractors, etc? RGS #1 arrive a little low and there is no information about what she takes.

Thanks.

Robert Herronen

Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 07:53:21 -0700
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Hydrolic Fluid Question



Robert,

My Eaton data sheet shows a variety of oils that can be used. I use Dexron B (General Motors) auto trans fluid, but they also list:

Mobil fluid 300
Ford M2C-33F, M2C-41A
International Harvester Hy-Tran fluid

If you don't know what's in there now perhaps you should drain the system, change the filter, and refill with one of the above.

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Tuolumne, CA, U.S.A.
12" gauge railroad

Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:57:05 -0400
From: Robert Herronen

Subject: Re: Hydrolic Fluid Question



Thanks Jim.

Robert Herronen

Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:08:19 -0400
From: "Hi"

Subject: another hydrolic questian



How do you drain an Eton hyd. trans? Where is the drain?
Jim

Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:39:48 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: Re: Hydrolic Fluid Question - Ask the source....



Robert -

Why don't you ask the source? Go to http://www.eaton.com; they should have the answer for you.

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 06:15:24 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: More on Terlyn Locomotive Boiler Water Treatment...



In reply to a recent private message from one of our mid west correspondents (he would consider himself western)...

I think that "reading between the lines" the locomotive boiler treatment they [ (Terlyn)] are offering is supposed to have been formulated with the idea that locomotives, either full size or model, do not always get the same water. In the case of long run excursion locomotive such as the UP and SP engines, they are traveling through many states and getting water "as delivered", so no specific "local" treatment will suffice.

In the case of our smaller scale models, we go to lots of different tracks in many states and locales; the water varies from locale to locale.

At JT&S, our water comes from a variety of sources, and varies throughout the year. In periods of high percipitation we get a larger percentage of our water from local wells; other times we get a higher percentage of "Colorado River Water", which in itself is highly variable. I think that in today's world, the same is probably true of many club's water supplies. I know for a fact that LALS' and RLS' treatment is highly variable in it's affect on boilers, and I am pretty sure that this is due to application of a "standard" treatment applied to a variable water supply.

I would like to believe that these folks have truly developed a "Magic Elixir" that is capable of handling whatever water is "thrown" at it....

Dast we believe their claims...??? What can it cost to try?
--
Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:57:01 -0400
From: Robert Herronen

Subject: Re: another hydrolic questian



Jim,

I haven't looked yet. Last time I ran it I bumped the throttle with my knee (I was standing.) On this engine, pushing the throttle to the front causes it to go backwards. Well, my knee was there, so the throttle went in farther, it went faster, and finally my knee moved after the engine literally climbed up at me. Luckily the engine died. I could see my obituary, killed by a train... and show my laying on my back with the engine sitting on my chest. But it did give the idea that I could probably just turn the whole thing upside down (off the end of an unfinished bridge, into a ditch, wherever...) I guess it is possible to remove the transmission and dump it out. I have a bunch of waste from this spring's tractor and lawnmower servicings...

You all have a great day now ya hear!

-Robert Herronen
RGS RR, Randolph Co. NC, USA

Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:25:57 +0100
From: hubert@wetekamp.de

Subject: (Fwd) smile



Tom is applying for a job as a signalman for the local railroad and is told to meet the inspector at the signal box.

The inspector decides to give Tom a pop quiz, asking: "What would you do if you realized that two trains were heading towards each other on the same track?"

Tom says: "I would switch one train to another track."

"What if the lever broke?" asks the inspector.

"Then I'd run down to the tracks and use the manual lever down there", answers Tom.

"What if that had been struck by lightning?" challenges the inspector.

"Then," Tom continued, "I'd run back up here and use the phone to call the next signal box."

"What if the phone was busy?"

"In that case," Tom argued, "I'd run to the street level and use the public phone near the station".

"What if that had been vandalised?"

"Oh well," said Tom, "in that case I would run into town and get my Uncle Leo".

This puzzled the inspector, so he asked, "Why would you do that?"

"Because he's never seen a train crash."
**********************************************
Lex A. Parker
President and CEO
Denver & Rio Grande Western Rail Road

Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 05:34:32 -0000
From: Smallhand@aol.com

Subject: Gas electric drive



Is there help out there?
I have accquired a 24 v golf cart motor and a military surplus 24 v generator.
My latest delima is?
1. Are there any sources of information for controlling a DC motor driven by a DC generator?
2. On the generator there are two large terminals, presumerably for the motor input. There are three smaller wire gauge terminals, hopefully one or more to excite the field. Does anyone have any information written or verbal, on this?


Raymond Hill

Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:31:19 -0000
From: "Bill Oberpriller"

Subject: New Pictures



I've added three new pictures to the file folder "Freelance 2-4-2"





Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:40:34 EDT
From: btflco@aol.com

Subject: Re: Gas electric drive



Contact Paul Garin @ Roll Models in Fresno, Ca. 559-441-8686 he may have or know of a solution.

Jeff Badger

Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:41:29 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: Re: Gas electric drive



Raymond -

We are building two 2.5" scale models of D&RGW #50 using a gas-electric drive. Ours is 240VAC to 0 - 60VDC through a solid state controller commercially made, so would not apply to your problem. However, I did a whale of a lot of research and contacted an number of sources that were very helpful. I will be glad to share this research with you if you would like, but you will need to have the motor specs and generator specs before you contact these vendors.

Are there nameplates on the units? Usually even surplus military units have nameplates stating the manufacturer and some good data such as rpm, wattage, amperage, etc. Unless you have this, there is very little others can do for you. Frequently the original manufacturer will be able to come up with a manual if you can give them serial # and contract #.

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:31:28 EDT
From: Smallhand@aol.com

Subject: Re: Gas electric drive



Jeff,

Thanks for the referral.

Raymond

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:06:44 -0000
From: "Frank Clary"

Subject: Beginner's Reading List



Hello Group,

Can anyone offer a reading list that would get a beginner started on the right track?

Y'all have a Nice Day
Frank

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:15:59 EDT
From: DFWSVW@aol.com

Subject: Re: Beginner's Reading List



Frank,
Check out the book

"SO YOU WANT TO BUILD A LIVE STEAM LOCOMOTIVE" by Joseph Foster Nelson.

Doug from Seattle

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:29:46 -0400
From: "Bruce"

Subject: Re: Beginner's Reading List



Frank,
Take a look at Jim O'Connors web page and go to his livsteam book list. All the books listed are good bedside reading for the livesteamer. His page can be found at http://home.att.net/~livesteam/livesteamtrains.htm

Bruce Mowbray (president)
TMB Manufacturing And Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:18:29 -0700
From: locopart

Subject: Re: Beginner's Reading List



Frank

Where y'all live?

don orr, LOCOPARTS
Suffolk, va
1-1/2" and 2-1/2" scale steam accessories, gas burners and tenders

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:28:53 -0400
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: Beginner's Reading List



Yor attachment is infected with a virus!

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:24:35 -0500
From: Mike Boucher

Subject: Re: Beginner's Reading List



Hi Frank,

If the author is named Kozo Hirakoa, you can't go wrong. He's got three excellent books, "Building the Shay", "Building the Heisler", and "Building the Climax". They're all 3.5" engines, but his drawings and techniques are magnificent.

c'ya
Mike Boucher
Waltham MA

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:40:25 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Beginner's Reading List



Please stop sending ANY EMAIL to ANYONE immediately until you removed the HAPPY99.EXE virus from your system. (Or else none of us will live anywhere).

If you don't have a virus checker go to http://www.complex.is/f-prot/obtaining.html and download that free one.

Have it disinfect your system before posting to anyone.

Arno

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:38:55 -0500
From: Mike Boucher

Subject: Introduction



Hi folks,

I just joined the list, so I thought I would introduce myself.

My name is Mike Boucher, I'm a software engineer by profession, and a train nut by obsession. The first time I went to a live steam track was my parents bringing me to the Pioneer Valley Live Steamers in 1971, I was all of 4 years old. I grew up going to Waushakum, joining as a full member about 2 weeks after turning 18. I've been secretary of WLS since 1991 (yikes, that's a long time) Waushakum, being exclusively a highline club until about 2 years ago, I've got a 3.5" gauge pacific I bought and I started building a 4-6-0 using Bill Van Brocklin's drawings, as well as building several stationary engines. You can see images them at http://people.ne.mediaone.net/bandm3714/index.html#Live Steam

Somewhere along the line, I became interested in narrow gauge. I had been going to Edaville every few years, and rode the cab of the engines more times that I can count (thanx to a WLS member also being a conductor there) The visit to the EBT for the 1995 fall spectacular was what put me over the top as a narrow gauger. There was something elegant to those mikados, and I've been a member of the FEBT ever since. (a web page with some of my EBT photos can be found at http://people.ne.mediaone.net/bandm3714/ebt/ebt_photos.html (no longer available)

So, someday I'll have a narrow gauge live steamer, probable candidates right now are an EBT mike in 4.75", or a BRB&L 2-4-4 mason in 7.25. Who knows, I might live long enough to build both, but at the rate I make parts, it'll be quite a while...

BTW - when I'm not playing with live steamers, I can be found messing around with On3 or N-trak, riding my bicycle around eastern Mass, or backpacking in the Whites or Adirondacks, or trying to take good photos.

I guess thats enough rambling for now...

c'ya
Mike Boucher
Waltham MA

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:23:13 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Beginner's Reading List



Bruce,

that URL returns the following:

Forbidden

Your client is not allowed to access the requested object.

Arno

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:44:49 EDT
From: cptboatman@aol.com

Subject: getting ready to lay track



I WOULD LIKE INFO ON LAYING TRACK 7 1/2'' I WOULD LIKE RADIUS BENDING INFO, FOR SMALLER TYPE TRAINS, YARD IS 100'X65' . LOOKING ALSO FOR SMALL ( SHORT) STEAMER AND DIESEL TRAINS, TIE SPACING? FOR 2X2 TIE'S. THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP,
RAY
CPTBOATMAN@AOL.COM AKA CPTRAINMAN

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:12:11 EDT
From: cptboatman@aol.com

Subject: Re: Beginner's Reading List



SEEN THIS ONE SLOW BUT BAD WITH MS EXPLORER

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:16:31 EDT
From: cptboatman@aol.com

Subject: Re: Beginner's Reading List



CHECK WIN SOCK FILE, ALSO CHECK FIXHAPPY99 ON THE NET, IF ON FILE DELETE, CHECK ALL HARD DRIVES FOR HAPPY99

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:32:49 EDT
From: DBauer2250@aol.com

Subject: Re: Beginner's Reading List



Arno:
Don't know what your problem is (beside being rude) but I pulled up the website fine. http://home.att.net/~livesteam/livesteamtrains.htm

Donald Bauer

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:35:50 EDT
From: cptboatman@aol.com

Subject: Re: Beginner's Reading List



ANTI VIRUS SITE FOR HAPPY99
http://www.symantec.com/ns-search/avcenter/reference/Nov99inews.html

Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:28:48 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Beginner's Reading List



I have tried to access that site several times yesterday and at each occasion it returned a page which contents I entered in my eMail with Alt-C and Alt-V, namely:

Forbidden

Your client is not allowed to access the requested object.

I fail to see that quoting the contents of a web page is being rude.
Could you elaborate a little on that.

Arno

Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:09:11 -0400
From: "Bruce"

Subject: Re: Re: Beginner's Reading List



Arno,
That's interesting. Using the very link from this email, I was able to visit Jim's site. Somtime I have to try a few times to get in but I was never forbidden.

Bruce Mowbray (president)
TMB Manufacturing And Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:32:43 -0700
From: locopart

Subject: Re: Beginner's Reading List



To all concerned:

Hopefully I have eliminated the virus that Mr Martens pointed out to me. Norton Utilities had not identified any virus's but apprarently there was one. FORTUNATELY, HAPPY99.exe is a non-destructive virus, it just replicates itself and is a general pain in the tushy. In all my years with computers, and I go back to the CPM days, this is my first personal dealing with a virus...but hopefully its the last. I will be more careful in the future. My profound apologies to anyone who may have been inconvienced or bothered otherwise by it.

If however I screw up and send another, a gentle reminder is all I need to take care of the problem...commanding me to do something is generally conter-productive, plus some other things....

don orr, LOCOPARTS
Suffolk, va
1-1/2" and 2-1/2" scale steam accessories, gas burners and tenders

Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:55:13 -0400
From: "Bruce"

Subject: Re: getting ready to lay track



Ray,
I am also starting (well under way) my own 7+ gauge RR. Take a look at my construction pages on my website (address at bottom in signature). I am using recycled plastic 2x2 ties spaced 3 per foot. Aluminum rail can be bent either by hand or with a simple rail bender made up of 3 rollers with one of them adjustable. My friend has a track in his backyard with 23 foot radius curves and he run his 1 1/2" scale Lil' Gasser locomotive from Cannonball Locomotive Works around it with no problems. He does have superelevation and he widened the gauge 1/8" in the curves. Small locomotives are available from a number of suppliers. Go to the Livesteaming Homepage and look under the commercial links

Bruce Mowbray (president)
TMB Manufacturing And Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:40:01 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Re: Beginner's Reading List



Bruce,

just before I mailed my reply to Donald Bauer's post this morning I too had no problems getting through.

The problem yesterday was definitely with his site as I gradually deleted item for item of the URL until I was left with the AT&T main page.

(The funny part is that FORBIDDEN is in such large a size, it could almost be used for ACHTUNG.)

Cheers,
Arno

Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:33:26 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Introduction



You have, of course, as a certfiably commitable LS/NGer, visited Russ Steve's basement to goad him on to complete his (shrunk down a bit in scale) two foot prototype Portland 0-4-4T? Missed Russ when he visited ALS for spring meet.

Cam Brown

Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:48:47 -0700
From: Russ Wood

Subject: New Book!



Hi lists,

Just got a new book, A Century + Ten of D&RGW Narrow Gauge Freight Cars by Robert Sloan. A great book! Most of this information has been available but hard to find. Here it all is in one place. If you do any NG stuff this is a must have, suggested retail $30.

russ@hobby-tronics.com

Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:45:15 EDT
From: yrfavsob@aol.com

Subject: Re: New Book!



Are you sure? Prof Sloan sent the manuscript out to many people to review (myself included for what limited knowledge I have) and I will say that the subject to be covered is of VERY WIDE scope and I will have to wait until I review a copy to basically agree or disagree. Essentially, every numbered series of every type of cars , would require the depth of scope that Vic Stone went to in his "Taking Stock" book. Bob Sloan did the make the effort to publish and I congratulate him for that.

Dennis O'Berry

Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:25:37 +0100
From: hubert@wetekamp.de

Subject: Need help



Hello from your moderator,

through an unknown problem, I didn't got the digests during the last days. The last digest, I received, was the #78.

If someone has an complete digest (Rudy van Wingen got a truncated version, it would be nice, if you can send it to me for storage and future use.

And at last, a wish to all members:

If you answer an message, please cut out all the informations from the previous, which are not longer needed. Replying all the text in every answer will fill up and perhaps overload some mailboxes.

Thank you
your moderator
Hubert

Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:51:43 -0400
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: Need help



I would suggest going to the web site to view the messages, there weren't that many in the past few days.

Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:12:44 +0100
From: hubert@wetekamp.de

Subject: Searching for Digest #79



Hi all,

as mentioned before, I lost some digest through an mail-problem.

In the meantime, I figured out, that it's only the #79.

I would really appreciate, if someone can send me this digest. I store them all in my email-software, so browsing through the egroups-web-page is not really helpful for my own archive.

Thank you
Hubert

Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:18:57 -0500
From: Mike Boucher

Subject: Re: Introduction



Hi Cam,

I was down in Russ's basement about 2 weeks ago, after we returned from the Montreal LS meet. He's made more progress on it than I thought, based on how frequently he brings peices to WLS. Its coming along quite nicely. I was trying to convince him to bring it as a "work in progress" display to the Waushakum IBLS meet next month.

c'ya
Mike Boucher
Waltham MA

Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:14:18 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: 2 feet = 7 1/4 inches



Ken: Cannot find what i wrote. It maybe somewhere in this box but I just can't dredge it up. With the fuilsome praise from Rudy, I guess I better get something off - if i can reconstruct what was said.

In other ramblings in this group, I developed the point that to get the narrow gauge look right, one does not have to be a stickler for exact scale. Tom Rhodes' Fitchburg Northern, and all it's siblings are done in a tad over 2+" to the foot. There is a South Park Mason bogie down in Penna. (can't think of her builders name just now; like many of us he is a character.) that comes about the same 2+"/1' but she would have to be parked next to one of the Ulrich Masons out of Colorado to tell the diff.
Russ Steeves Portland Forney abuilding comes out maybe 3"/1'.

If you do 2' prototype I used a down and dirty conversion factor of 0.3 times any prototype dimension as "close enough" 2' gozinta 7 1/4" (or 7 1/2") say 3.6 times or 3.6" to 1' scale. Last time I looked 12" = 1 ' so 12 gozinta 3.6 0.3 times, my magic multiplier. And close enough correcting as you must for loading gauge on the tracks you will run on.

Which reminds me of something from the lost memo. Several years ago the engine I started on, with the late Don Marshall as my guru and machine shop, was to be a 0.3 multiplier Portland 0-4-4T Forney. Oh yes. Several years ago, really several, a Don Young ran a long series in Live Steam Mag on building "#7 and her Sisters" #7 being a 1915 (?) Baldwin 2-4-4T little over 30 tons soaking wet for the Bridgton and Saco River Railroad down Maine way.I helped screw her together for the last operations (as the Bridgton and Harrison ) in1941. Ask about to see if you can borrow this set.

The point I am making is that Forneys are long leggeded beasties. Bill Small built a Maxi #7 to 3.6"+ scale up in Toronto. Saw videos of her; great looking machine except she tried to straighten out the railroad coming to a curve. Engine now in Kalamazoo, MI I hear. A chap in South Africa built another Maxi #7 but solved the cornering problem by fudging her into a 2-4-0 with a closely coupled four wheel tender that looked pretty much like the original tank from the side. Then she was also equiopped with a shiney brass steam dome which any proper Anglophile loco shan't be without.

Dave Rhomer (sp?) on west coast built a Portland Forney 0-4-4T Sandy River and L #6 ( now at Sheepscott Station, ME. north of Wiscasst as WW&F #9 ). Had a dickens of a time with flange wear until he "Masonized" the engine pivoting the mechanism on a king pin under the boiler.That took care of the wear problem.

If I live long enough and find some cash and energy the loco I dream to "do" in the Baldwin Mogul built for the never completed Laurel River and Hot Springs in No. Carolina. With a little of the fudging mentioned earlier. a 2-6-0 with wide tires and blind ones on the center set should get about most live steam railroads without ruining the track.

First note asked for your phone number and snail mail address. Pop these off to me and I'll send you photocopies of some stuff I've scraped up over the years. In fact, there is a copy of that marvelous dry point ink sketch of either "Puck" or Ariel" the very first little (really little) 2' Hinkleys on the B&B.staring at me from a shelf every time I go in that upstairs warren I call an office.

Write when the spirit moves.
Cam Brown

Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:16:31 -0000
From: "Chris Allan"

Subject: Foundry Recommendations Please!



Greetings all,

I am trying to locate a good quality iron foundry here in California.
I've tried Pomona; easy to deal with, but quality is so-so. I have been using Kearneys' in Fresno- quality is good but they tend to be difficult to deal with, and $$$$ costly!
I have heard of a foundry in Valley Springs (I think), anyone have any dealings with them?

Thanks in advance!

Chris Allan

Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:30:32 -0000
From: "Chris Allan"

Subject: Links added...



I have added a couple of links- one for Hillcrest Shops in Fresno, and the other is for my endeavor- Historic Railway Consultants. Both are 5" scale sites, take a look if you are brave(or foolish)enough to think about building another size "up".
Thanks for looking!
Chris Allan

Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:47:51 -0700
From: "Ben Cantu"

Subject: RE: Foundry Recommendations Please!



Chris,

Following is the telephone number for the foundry in Valley Springs. I can not vouch for their work.

Sunset Foundry: 209-754-0601

Ben

Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:49:23 -0700
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Foundry Recommendations Please!



Chris,

I believe Ken Schroeder of Gardnerville, NV (1-1/2" scale Shay kit producer) uses a foundry in Valley Springs. The castings I have seen were very good. I don't know if Ken has e-mail. He advertizes in Live Steam magazine.

Have you got that first Porter running yet?

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Tuolumne, CA, U.S.A.
12" gauge railroad

Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 03:35:59 EDT
From: Thime@aol.com

Subject: Re: Foundry Recommendations Please!



Chris,

I highly recommend Sunset Foundry for your cast iron needs. Their shop is small (600lbs max) but are very friendly and very knowledgeable. They do most all of Ken Schroeder's castings for his shay, as well as for (the late) Erich Thomson's Redwood Valley Railway, Ferris Wheel (a "Light Mikado" kit), the Society for the Preservation of Carter Railroad Resources (full size 3' gauge equipment) and many-many individual hobbyists (including, I believe, Frank Allen & Greg Lewis). Their quality is always high and run a rate of around $0.59 a pound (Please, don't quote me on this.)
Talk to Dave if you call, he can fill you in on what is needed. Your best bet is to do the pattern making yourself and maybe even mount the patterns on a proper board, but they prefer you leave the gating to them. FYI, they're on vacation this week.
I'm working on some patterns/core boxes right now that I will be taking to them for casting.

Cheers,

Curtis F.

Sunset Foundry (209) 754-0601

Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:26:38 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: Re: Foundry Recommendations Please!



Chris -

I too have been looking for alternatives to Pomona. When I visited the Westec '00 show in LA I made it a point to visit each of the foundry booths, and I found one that impressed me a great deal. The foundry itself is in Tijuana, you deal with the offices in San Diego and Cypress.

The samples they had on display showed a much higher attention to detail than other competitors at the show. I was initially attracted by this feature and learned from the people manning the booth that this was due to the Tijuana connection. Wages being lower, more hand work is practical, and many of their workers are skilled craftsmen that still take personal pride in their work.

I strongly recommend that you contact: Mesa Castings, 2675 Customhouse Court, Suite A, San Diego, CA 92154

Sales: Dale R. Holmsen, V.P. Marketing, 9848 Novara Lane Cypress, CA 90630. Tel. 714-828-3500/FAX 714-828-3600

Grey & Ductile Cast Iron - Westec 2000

I have been trying to encourage Paul Lavacot to send some patterns to them for me, but so far we don't have any ready to cast. If you do decide to use these people, I would appreciate feedback.

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products.

Foundry in Tijuana

Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:26:28 -0700
From: Russ Wood

Subject: Files Upload?



Hi list,

How can I upload a couple of pictures taken this past Monday at Train Mountain showing the results of last weeks 6200 feet heroic effort! WOW!

Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:12:54 -0400
From: "Rich D."

Subject: Re: Files Upload?



Rus,
Go to the Egroups.com site and log in (unless you read/post from there already). Join the 7-plus-NGM list and at the left you will see a button 'Files' (push). There you will see a button 'add file' and 'add folder'. The rest should be easy.
Fun is Trains.
Rich D.

Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:19:58 -0700
From: Russ Wood

Subject: New files uploaded!



Hi gang,

I've uploaded some pics taken this past Monday (7/17) at Train Mountain. The July work week was awesome and the crew that was there did an amazing amount of work. ALL the track surrounding the car barn, ALL the connector tracks at 4 Way and ALL the connector tracks connecting Central Station with the rest of the layout are in. The track going through the long tunnel under Main Yard was lowered so that it is now is a level track all the way from Wedding Cake through the tunnel. All the brdiges at Wedding Cake have track on them and are connected to their appropriate tracks. All the track in Six Acre is in. Not only is all of this track in and connected but it also is completely ballasted! WOW, good job team!

russ@hobby-tronics.com

Overview of the bridges at Wedding Cake
Overview of Crisp Bridge
Connector tracks and lead to long tunnel
Crisp Bridge
New bridges at Wedding Cake
Connector tracks to the outside loop via 'Panama Canal'
New industry, the cement plant, cool

Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:21:17 -0700
From: Russ Wood

Subject: Re: Files Upload?



Rich,

Thanks for the info. I had forgotten to 'log in' so those add and edit buttons did'nt show up! :o) Thanks again.

russ@hobby-tronics.com

Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:06:18 +0100
From: hubert@wetekamp.de

Subject: Re: New files uploaded!



Hi Russ,

Thank you very much for sharing the phots with us. I really enjoy the nice pictures, and hardly can wait 'til my arrival at train-mountain in around 5 or 6 weeks.

Hubert

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:25:58 +0100
From: hubert@wetekamp.de

Subject: Logo / Badge



Hello together,

I'm working on some web-pages for our group, and I'm in need for an logo. Is there someone out, who as an idea and can create an logo for us?

Or should we use one of the signs of the former 7+ narrow gauger (if we can get the permission)?

And than, with such an logo, we can create an badge to wear at shows/meetings, so that we can identify each other as a member of the group.

Let me know, what you think and please help me out with the logo.

I hope to have some good and interesting news during the next days.

Hubert

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:46:49 -0400
From: "Bruce"

Subject: Re: Logo / Badge



Hubert.
Didn't I just read in the "7+ Railroader" that you are the European Associate Editor? I's sure you could influence the board to give us permission to use the ol' 7+ Narrow Gauger logo or at least part of it for our online continuum of a once (still) great Magazine. If all else fails and to spur some discussion, we all could give some ideas to you. It sure would be a nice addition to my engineers hat!

Bruce Mowbray (president)
TMB Manufacturing And Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:20:10 -0400
From: "Pat Turner"

Subject: Logo / Badge-Now 7+Railroader?



Is the new 7+ Railroader out yet? I have not got mine yet if it is!?

Pat

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:23:55 -0400
From: "Bruce"

Subject: Re: Logo / Badge-Now 7+Railroader?



Pat,
Mine came yesterday

Bruce Mowbray (president)
TMB Manufacturing And Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:36:29 -0400
From: "Pat Turner"

Subject: 7+Railroader?



OK, I will look for it soon.

Pat

Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:50:01 GMT
From: "Roger Netz"

Subject: U de Y drawings



Does anyone have or know where I can find drawings for the two 3' gage 4-4-0's, #'s 80 and 81, built by Baldwin in 1946 for the United Railways of Yucatan. They are not in the DeGolyer colletion nor in the California RR museum collection. I would like to build one of these in 2 1/2" scale and I can do it from pictures, however I would really prefer to have drawings.

Thank you,

Roger Netz

Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:17:33 -0700
From: "Dave Cormie"

Subject: Re: U de Y drawings



Excuse me for my lack of knowledge, but where did the United Railways of Yucatan have their trackage and when did it operate.

Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:38:58 EDT
From: Thime@aol.com

Subject: Re: U de Y drawings



Roger,

What class of engine were they? I've been working, off and on, with some people (who will remain nameless unless they name themselves) on a 2.5" scale model of the Sonoma/Eureka/Juipter which were 8-18-Cs. If they were 8-16-Cs, 8-18-Cs, or 8-18-Cs of the 1874-1881 period then just get the Sonoma drawings from the Cal. State Rail Museum (or see if the afore mentioned group would be interested in another member.

If they were 8-20-Cs or larger, or built after 1881, then I can point you toward some design references. The first of which is again the Sonoma drawings from the Cal. Museum. The second of which is a big red book called "American Narrow Gauge Railways" which contains a side elevation and cross sections of an 1883 8-18-C from an 1883 issue of The Railroad Gazette. This same image can be found in the book "Recent Locomotives of 1883" and if you're lucky you can find the "Enlarged Edition" which has the print double normal size.

If your engine is indeed post 1881 then I can help you further as I do have the beginnings of a 2.5" scale 8-22-C (Carson & Colorado #4) already designed into my computer.

If you do have any luck tracking down those drawings away from this board please contact me as I would desperately love a copy as well.

As a bit of history for the group, the Baldwin Locomotive Co. made several drastic design changes to it's line of 3' gauge locomotives in 1881. All new spring rigging, new frame design, new lead truck castings and started to use rounded domes rather than pagoda style (which really didn't kick in till 1883).

Curtis F.

P.S. In my possession is a copy of "Recent Locomotives of 1883, Enlarged Edition" which can be Xeroxed with little trouble.

Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:02:20 +0100
From: jonathan.joseph@rexam.com

Subject: Other Drawings



I guess the engines were really built too late to interest most people in this group, but does anyone know where I can get drawings etc, for the postwar Indian Railways standard metre gauge steam classes? There were five, a pacific (YP), a mikado (YG - most details common with the pacific), a prairie, a berkshire tank based on the mikado chassis, and one other I can't remember.

They looked very much like 2/3 scale versions of 1940's US standard gauge equipment, but construction continued up till fairly recently - apart from the JS and QJ class steam engines built at Datong in China, I think the indian mikados were the last 'production' steam engines built. Regular use on ordinary service trains has only stopped in the last twelve months.

Anybody know? (I have an enquiry out with the Indian national railway museum, but no reply as yet)

Jonathan

Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:42:52 +0100
From: hubert@wetekamp.de

Subject: www.7-plus-ngm.org



Hello all,

as mentioned yesterday, some perhaps interesting news for you:

I've reserved the domain "www.7-plus-ngm.org", and since today, it's working.

I plan to to store all the messages there as monthly-archive-files (including the pictures), links to the public ares at egroups, an promoting/subscription-button and perhaps a lot more.

That's also the reason, why I requested an logo.

I just uploaded an pre-beta-version (similar like new products of Mickeysoft) to the server.

Also, the first archive-file of march is only under http://www.7-plus-ngm.org/arch0300.htm .

Hubert
Moderator of the 7-plus-ngm - mailing list

Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:31:59 -0400
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: snart



Does anyone know if Snart is still in business? If so, I'd appreciate it if you could forward their contact information.

Stan

Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:47:27 -0000
From: "Pat Turner"

Subject: Canton, St. Paul & Pacific Ry Pics



I have added 4 pics of the marble tunnel portals on the Canton, St. Paul & Pacific Ry as seen on the cover of the lates issue of The 7+ Railroader. Take a look at these great tunnels. Hope to get up there and take more pics soon. In the files under PatsPics.


Canton, St. Paul & Pacific Ry - Tunnel

Pat

Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:57:18 EDT
From: Thime@aol.com

Subject: Re: U de Y drawings



Mr. Netz,

A few minutes ago I checked my E-mail and found my responce to your request for drawings. It was at this point that I realized that you had stated the engines were build in 1946. Hence why I shouldn't answer E-mail when I'm half-asleep.

At anyrate, would it be possible for you to post a scanned photo of the engine in question in this groups Files area?

Curtis F.

Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:03:43 GMT
From: "Roger Netz"

Subject: Re: U de Y drawings



Hi,

I apologize for taking so long to get back to the list. In answer to some of the questions about the U de Y engines, they were the last Americans built by Baldwin. The railroad is in the country of Yucatan which is in Cental America, on the southern end of Mexico.
In the book "The Locomotives that Baldwin built", the first and third pictures in the book are of the U de Y #81. They were quite modern with piston valves and Walschaert valve gear, but I don't know if they were superheated. They had 13" x 16" cylinders, 46" drivers and a 44" diameter boiler. Total engine weight was 65,500 lbs. According to the book, they were built in 1945. There are a couple of very good builders photos of them.
I was surprised that the drawings are so hard to come by, them being built so late.
Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

Roger

Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:21:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sharon Deckard

Subject: RE: Canton, St. Paul & Pacific Ry Pics



Pat,

Silly question. You mentioned Canton. Canton where? What state?
Sharon

Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 01:23:56 -0700
From: "Turner Family"

Subject: Re: Canton, St. Paul & Pacific Ry Pics



Not a silly question, just silly of me not to say. Canton, Georgia, about a hour due north of Atlanta.

Pat

Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:40:38 -0400
From: Joe

Subject: Re: Adirondack LS



It looks like I'll be traveling in the Saratoga Springs area early this week, and as a novice to live steam, I'd like to stop by the Adirondack Live Steamers for a visit.

If there is anyone from ALS listening, is there a better day to stop by than others? Are better directions available to get to the layout? (All I've got so far is "4-miles east of Saratoga Springs".

Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:10:55 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Adirondack LS



Hello Joe - whoever you may be:

Cam Brown here. A bit tricky getting to ALS as the route twists and turns off of Exit 15 of the Northway. (North side of Aaratoga Springs.) Give me a call (5l8) 439-9147 and I'll give directions. Ther arte several of us of the old codger strain who, upon sufficient notice, can meet you and show you about - assuming wifely assignments and previous commitments can be cleared. Always people about on Sat. as we are trying to get another loop and big bridge finished by fall meet second week in Sept.

Rudy Van Wingen is supposed to be east this week to be squired about but I havn';t heard from him in a couple of days. Maybe tonight?Call and we'll get something arranged.

After all these blatent promises, who are you?

Cam Brown

Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:55:02 -0800
From: Durand Family

Subject: Re: Digest Number 90



Please unsubscribe me at this time, I will be traveling for the next several weeks and I need to save my mail box space, since I'll be using a cell phone to do email.

Thanks Pat Durand

Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:50:49 +0100
From: Mike Woodroffe

Subject: Romulus



Hi All

I'm researching the Romulus Class Loco designed by Roger Marsh. I'm interested in finding photos or drawings of the different derivatives that have been built as well as the original. (Guage immaterial but 5" or 71/4" would be most useful) Please don't suggest Reeves as a possible

source of drawings as they have been "out of stock" for weeks and can't give a delivery date.

I want to design a Romulus inspired loco to run on 15" guage probably with a tender. Any info would be most useful.

Thanks

Mike