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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:02:31 -0600
From:

Subject: MEG STEAM CASTINGS and DRAWINGS



Hello Group,

I was wondering if the castings and or drawings are still available for the MEG steam 0-4-0's? I am currently exploring some different options for cylinders on my little loco project and I feel that these may just work. I have ordered a drawing for the Romulus Cylinders from Reeves but I would like to pursue the MEG ones as well. The first piece of data that would be helpful is the basic dimension from the finished parts.... Would anyone out there be able to list these off from they're own locomotive? I think that some of the members on the board have built or own one of these cute little engines so I thought it would be good to start here! Thanks for your help!

Regards,

Robert M.

Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:23:04 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: MEG STEAM CASTINGS and DRAWINGS



MEG Steam cylinders are a 2" bore by 3 1/2" stroke. Machined dimensions are 4" high (5 3/4" high including valve chest) x 4 3/4" wide x 4 3/4" long (approx. 6" long after the front and rear cylinder heads are bolted on. I beleive drawings and castings are still available from Dougal Hubner at dwhubner@uniserve.com.

Bill Laird (building a 2-4-0 based on the MEG Steam cylinders, frame, suspension, and Hackworth valve gear)
Canyon Lake, Texas

Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:15:52 -0600
From:

Subject: RE: MEG STEAM CASTINGS and DRAWINGS



Thanks Bill,

I was hoping that you would reply! I just saw some pictures of your locomotive progress on the HALS web-site this morning! Nice Job! After studying one of the photos I thought these cylinders would do the trick... I will go into my CAD model of my little rail crusher and see if they match up with the frame!

Thanks Again,
Robert M.

Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:23:47 -0500

From: trevor@livesteaming.com

Subject: RE: Digest Number 1029



The Guy who runs this business in Victoria, BC Canada was at the VIME track a couple of weeks ago. He stated that the business was still in operation.

I cannot remember his name. When DDV reads this note. I'm sure he will fill in the missing info.

TH

Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:55:37 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Digest Number 1029



Trevor,

You mean Dougal Hubner of Meg Steam. :o)
He is a member of the VIME group.

He is still in business and has changed the valve gear from Hackworth toan even simpler system. Steve has his changed over and it runs evenbetter now than with the hackworth.

kind regards
Dennis

Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:58:53 -0400
From: RichD

Subject: Re: MEG [Hackworth]



Dennis,
What is simpler than Hackworth???
Enquiring minds want to know.
RichD
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:28:26 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: MEG [Hackworth]



Trevor, Help!!!

My brains gone into neutral. When Rob, Steve, You, Elizabeth and I were chatting during the steam up what did Steve say his new valve gear was. Marshall comes to mind but that may have been what Al was talking about around the same time. Do you remember. All i know is it sounds great, runs better then before and Steve is really pleased with the change over.
kind regards
Dennis

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:43:09 -0000
From: "smallhand27"

Subject: In search of



I'm in search of a vendor for spoke train wheels, 6" - 7", non- counterbalanced(street car type).

R Hill

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:02:01 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: In search of



Try Little Engines. May not have them in the size you want, but I remember getting some spoked wheels from them several years ago.

Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas

Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:04:57 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: First Run



Richard Stuart test ran his new Garratt today

Photo's by Russell Dunn can be found here

http://www.livesteaming.com/richard_stuart_garratt.htm

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:59:58 -0400
From: "George Erhart"

Subject: 2 1/2 inch scale engine on e-bay



I see that someone has put a 2 1/2" scale 7 1/7 gauge loco up on e-bay. The item number is: 5908796679

The description is:
The engine is part, meg steam, with hack wroth valve gear, and Roll Models sand dome, steam dome , balloon stack, front cow catcher, 2 superscale injectors, 1/8 piping in cab. Engine and tender are 12' long and 2' wide, you sit in the tender and your feet are in the cab, tender holds 25 gallons of water 4 1/2 gallons of number 1 diesel. It has 2 burners, it's a big engine. I have a 1988 Dodge van to take it home in. Boiler is all boiler material from B.B.C. steel, all welding was done by a certified welder. Hydrostatically tested at 150 PSI on 9/14/03 - No Leaks

I am not associated with the seller ... I just saw this on e-bay and thought that someone might want a closer look. This is a big engine ... bigger than what I am doing.

George Erhart

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:13:54 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: MEG [Hackworth]



Rich,

I found out that the new valve gear design for the Meg is Marshall. It has no sliding block and the little workhorse of VIME has had her valve gear changed over to the new type. The owner is very happy with it. Dougal offers these parts 'flame cut' from his company. I'll be at the "public run' tomorrow and will be able to get some close-ups of the valve gear if any are interested. That is of course supposing Steve is there.

kind regards
Dennis

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:21:27 -0500
From: "Curtis Hustace"

Subject: Re: In search of



Call Mike Venezia Little Engines, or email him . . ..

I don't think LE has Non-Counterbalanced though.

I think Allen Models has a NC spoked wheel though. Worth a call.

Curtis H.

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:17:20 -0400

From: RichD

Subject: Re: MEG [Hackworth]

Dennis,
that would be grand.
Thanks, RichD
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:22:47 -0500
From: "Curtis Hustace"

Subject: Re: MEG [Hackworth]



Hey Dennis:

If you talk to Hubner find out his current contact info for his business (phone, address email etc.) would you?

I have an email, but I think it's old.

Curtis

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:12:18 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: First Run



Oi, Russell, how come we don't see gigantic plumes of steam if it is only 10C in your Winter?
Arno
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:19:39 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: MEG [Hackworth]



Rich,

Steve and I will meet at the VIME site early tomorrow (Sunday) morning and I will get some properly lit close ups of his valve action. We are doing some video as a start to a DVD we are making to advertise the club. I'll post them to the list and direct tomorrow evening.

kind regards
Dennis

Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:33:06 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: The valves on that Garratt



Here is an explanation of the valves seen on the side of the boiler on Richard Stuart's Garratt.

"Immediately downstream of the dome is an air operated, fail closed, shutdown valve. It opens automatically when the regulator is first cracked open, via a micro-switch on the regulator handle which operates the air supply via a solenoid valve. An emergency shutdown valve is part of my oil industry culture, and the philosophy is to be able to isolate the pressure as close as possible to the source. The electrics which operate the solenoid valve are controlled by a key switch. There cannot be many steam locos which need an ignition key to make them go....

The main regulator valve is downstream of the Superheater and mechanically controlled by the regulator handle. The regulator valve itself is partially hidden behind the reversing lever.

The blower steam diverter valve is mounted on the side of the boiler below the dome. When the regulator is closed, blower steam is diverted through the Superheater element. The theory is that the blower steam helps to keep the Superheater cooled. The diverter valve is air operated and controlled by the same microswitch and solenoid valve as the shutdown valve. When the regulator is open, the blower steam is diverted directly to the blower nozzles in the usual manner.

The drain cocks are also air operated and controlled via an electrical switch in the cab and another solenoid valve.

The alternator field coil is energised by a microswitch attached to the reversing lever. The alternator is only electrically energised when the loco is in forward gear.

Time will tell whether these complications are a useful innovation or unreliable nuisance."

Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:56:32 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Marshall Valve Gear



RichD et al,

The pictures I took today are on the group photos site under the name Marshall valve Gear. Hope these help. I watched Steve running his Tami all day pulling train after train. That little brute of his works very well and had no trouble lifting fully loaded passenger trains on an uphill start from the picnic area at VIME.

kind regards
Dennis

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 00:05:42 -0400
From: RichD

Subject: Re: Marshall Valve Gear



Dennis,
Thankyou for the pics. I will dig into the books on that. Hard to see what it's all about, but certainly effective and breeze to assemble.
RichD, Atlanta

Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:19:23 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Marshall Valve Gear



Rich

I was duly impressed by the smoothness of the locomotives operation. Steve is very happy how everything works. If I could figure out how to get the video I shot today into something attachable, I'd send you a copy.

kind regards
Dennis

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:11:54 -0000
From: "Dave"

Subject: Flintridge & Portola Valley RR



I was looking at the Narrow Gauge convention website today and notice that the Flintridge & Portola Valley RR was going to be open for the layout tours. I've hear of it before through the grape vine but would love to learn more about it. I guess when I finally get to the point of constructing some equipment it will be easier to actually meet people in the hobby but from the description sounds like a pretty cool setup. Ron Schmidt & Peter Moseley are listed as the owners, I love the shot of the goose coming off the trestle. I look forward to seeing the #50 during the open house, along with the k-27, the goose, westside shay 15..heck can't wait to see it all!! Here is the page from the narrow gauge convention showing 2 photo's of their layout:

http://www.narrowgauge2004.com/Layouts/schmidt-mosley.htm

And if by any chance the owners are on this group, I'd love to see more photo's of the layout and equipment( I noticed some of Jeff Badger's photos are taken on this railroad also), I take it there is no web page for this railroad..or is there?

Thanks,
Dave Salamon

Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:30:53 -0700
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: Flintridge & Portola Valley RR

Dave:

Thanks for the nice comments on the Flintridge and Portola Valley RR.

We don't have an official web site but have posted some pictures on the web at:

http://homepage.mac.com/petermoseley/PhotoAlbum1.html

See you in September.

Peter Moseley

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:43:11 -0000
From: "Dave"

Subject: Re: Flintridge & Portola Valley RR



Peter,

Thanks for the link, the photo's of you and your fellow modelers work is excellent and very inspirational. Thanks for again for sharing, can't wait to see it in person!

Thanks again,
Dave Salamon

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:03:51 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Help needed on Pyle National Gauge Lamp



I am in the process of developing a 2-1/2 inch scale model of a Pyle National gauge/instrument lamp.
Patterns have been made and castings are being run.

The model was developed from a prototype lamp we have in our collection at the JT&S RR Museum . It was not until I recieved the first castings that it ocurred to me that there was an extra port on the side of the lamp.

I don't know the function of this port and I am hoping some one out there can shed some "light" on what it was for and how it was used. I would like to be able to add the information to the instruction sheet that I am currently writing to go with the casting kit.

This item will be for sale soon as a kit only, and I will be offering an LED lighting kit as an extra to go with it.

There are photos posted in the album section showing both the prototype and model.
Photo 5 of 5 shows the "mystery" port.



Protoype inside



Protoype inside



2.5 inch scale outside



Scale model inside as cast.



Prototype outside extra port
Showing the mystery port, function unkown

Rudy van WIngen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:04:17 -0700
From: George Potter

Subject: Re: Flintridge & Portola Valley RR



Hi Peter,

I won't be attending the Narrow Gauge convention, but I'd love an invitation to visit your RR some time ....... I could even be persuaded to bring my engine (2 1/2" scale narrow gauge, wood burning American)(and no, it doesn't shower the area with sparks .....)

Regards,
George Potter
Placerville, California

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:28:46 -0000
From: "Dave"

Subject: 2 1/2" wood burning american



George,

Is your locomotive based on any in particular? Do you have your own private track or do you operate your engine at the SVLS layout, or GGLS or elsewere?

Thanks,
Dave Salamon

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:06:42 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd Butler"

Subject: Meeting Live Steamers



Don't stay away just because you don't have any equipment, almost everyone that you meet could care less. I have met most of those that you read about in Live Steam mag at one time or another, take Peter, very nice fellow and easy to talk to, he and others like him just want to do one thing have fun in our hobby. I just got my first equipment after belonging to Train Mountain and Over The Hill for about nine years during that time I met great people that built great trains. One of these days I am going to retire and visit Rudy and Peter on there home layout among others.
Have fun enjoy the company,
Boyd Butler

Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:16:27 -0700
From: George Potter

Subject: Re: 2 1/2" wood burning american



Hi Dave,

The locomotive is a model of Pacific Coast Railway #6 - Baldwin, construction number 6921, 1883. There are a couple of pictures in the Gerald Best book, "Ships and Narrow Gauge Rails" (now reprinted under another title), also in the Wescott & Johnson book "The Pacific Coast Railway". The prototype was originally a wood burner, which is why my engine burns wood. The prototype later burned coal, and finally oil.

I belong to SVLS, and run occasionally there. I have made it to many of the club tracks up and down the west coast, although I haven't had this engine to GGLS. Some day, may have track at home (first have to finish my shop, then our house, then ...... finally ...... tracks).

Regards,
George

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:31:47 -0000
From: "Dave"

Subject: Re: 2 1/2" wood burning american



George,

Thanks for the info, I pulled out my book and took a look at it, that locomotive appears to have a very long wheel base. The locomotive sure didn't live a very long life...built 1883, burned in the Los Olivos Roundhouse in 1896, then written off in 1900

Thanks,
Dave Salamon

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:15:40 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"

Subject: Gorgeous Old Timer restoration



The Fred Gurley 2-4-4 restored by the Disneyland Railroad.

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:58:56 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Diesel Locomotive 4700N



I am looking for information on U.S. Army Transportation Corps narrow gauge diesel locomotive number 4700N. 4700N was a 4 axle locomotive tested by the U.S. Army on the D&RGW in 1955. I have contacted the U.S Army Transportation Corps museum and they did provide reference to a couple of pictures, but had no drawings or specifications. I have been able to locate a few more pictures, for a total of 7. The collection does show both sides, front, rear, and overhead. They show good overall views of the locomotive, but do not show details well.

I am considering building this locomotive in 2 1/2" scale as a gas/hydraulic. Can anyone point me in a direction for more information and pictures of 4700N? I don't even know who manufactured the locomotive.

Bill Laird Canyon Lake, Texas

Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:38:44 EDT
From: GMEYER6103@AOL.Com

Subject: Re: Diesel Locomotive 4700N



Bill, I saw this B-B trucked, Diesel locomotive while in Durango in the summer of 1955. While there, I watched it turn the Silverton train on the old loop track, and later that afternoon, watched it pull several gondolas loaded with coal from a coal dump, that was located on the West side the Animas River, over the bridge and up a short steep grade, into the Durango yard.
Unfortunately, I only had one roll of 35 mm film, and I didn't want to waste it on a Diesel locomotive which I knew would always be there, when there were so many old steam locomotives that were likely to be scraped soon.
Well, the Diesel is gone, at least from Durango, but I believe most of the 2-8-2 steam locomotives still exist, in one place or another.My guess regarding the builder of the Diesel, is that it was built by "Davenport," and that is only a guess based on its appearance.
Sorry that I can't be of more help......Gary Meyer

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 05:09:27 -0000
From: "Chris Allan"

Subject: Re: Help needed on Pyle National Gauge Lamp



Rudy,
More than likely the extra hole was for illumination of a feedwater heater gauge, or atomizer gauge, which would have been mounted at approximately the same height as the water glass on the heavier "mainline" engines.
Just my guess.
C.

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:40:10 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Bridgton and Saco River Two Foot Gauge Tank Cars



Help! Somewhere in my stuff is the plan or plans for the Standard Oil Company of New York tank cars - the only ones on two Foot Gauge. The Extra Narrow Gauge.
I can't find them, tthough a great deal of good stuff has been located. These would be the 8 1/2 x 11 sheets like Crintendon (maybe two t's), Derr and Maxwell put out years ago. And other folk as well.

Among the impedimenta in he basement is a fairly well along B&SR flat car 3 3/4" scale, slightly foreshortened so it could get about the tightish curves at ALS. This was to hold a hunk of (what I remember was to be) a chunk of 15" dia. plastic water main pipe for the tank.

Mirabile Dictu! Bill and Nancy Eckert maybe become the surrogate parents on this project being t, to the naked eye, devoted two foot freaks what wih that gorgeous 3 3/4" Mogul, and obvious two foot prototyp cars. Plus Bill told me that Nancy's next devotion was to make the tank car.

So - if I can find the plan (it may be in a thin grey binder), or if any of you folks have one let me know . Please. The two tanks (two cars) were slightly different in diameter. One was rivited, the other welded. We've plenty of pictures for details but we need to know the true diameter. If anyone is up to the Maine Narrow Gauge Railroad and Museum in Portland, thats where they (maybe only one left) rest, ask the guys up here to put a tape on it. Or them.

Seems to me that there were plans some time ago in the MR, SL&NGG or LS. Can anyone supply a reference? Thanks for putting up with all this.

Cam Brown

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:29:12 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: RE: Diesel Locomotive 4700N



I do not know much about Diesels at all but these from narrowmind.railfain.net (added by the moderator) might help






Maybe the guy who posted these two photo's, Bruce Pryor, might be able to help more

TH

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:37:22 -0400
From: "Mike Lagness"

Subject: Re: RE: Diesel Locomotive 4700N



Where mkight we find pictures to give us some reference.

mikell

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:03:32 -0500
From: Kevin McQuarters

Subject: Diesel Locomotive 4700N



Hi Bill,

You may wish to check Tom Artzbergers' site below. Not sure if this is the loco of interest but it may be a start for you. I have a set of his 2 1/2" scale Archbar Caboose trucks and the workmanship is outstanding.

http://www.pleshops.com/plesfuture.htm

Regards,
Kevin

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:40:12 +0000
From: "Roy Stevens"

Subject: RE: 4700N



There is no way Davenport built such a lemon. Although I don't know for sure, I would bet that it was built by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. The plans are probably still top secret, though you might file for them under the freedom of information act. The trucks weren't equalized so it wouldn't stay on the track, thus it's relegation to yard duties where the was plenty of jacks handy to put it back on. I beleive there was an article and drawings in a recent NG&SLG, but I can't find it at the moment.

Roy Stevens

Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:35:59 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd Butler"

Subject: Diesel



I think that it was built by GE for the Army, there was an article in Light Iron Digest about it I don't have it in front of me at this time but read it about a month ago I could dig it out or try there web site and there were two issues about it written by the fellow that did the testing on it. It might have been Alco but would have to find the article again to be sure. There were some photos of it also.
Boyd Butler

Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:37:34 -0000
From: "William Van Lenten"

Subject: RE: 4700N



The trucks on the engine Trever posted are AAR equalized 2 axle trucks. I am an Alco nut, and the body of this engine spells ALCO.
The low fan grills, and large size was a trademark of Alco. This would be an early 1954 test engine. There is a 1956 Alco, identical, working for Conrad Yelvington Stone Yard, in Ocala Fl.
Bill

Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 07:50:27 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd Butler"

Subject: D&RGW Diesel Engine



It is a GE, was called the GE 3000 to be exact and the first issue of Light Iron Digest had it in issue Feb March 2002 vol 4 number 1. It was written by the Army engineer on the project by the name of Roy Johnston Jr.
Boyd Butler

Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:14:19 EDT
From: kennarwing@aol.com

Subject: tank car refs



Here's what an interet search turned up:

Bridgeton & Saco River RR tank car 22
Model Railroader, February 1978 page 61
Followed by kitbash article
( B&SR, DRAWING, KITBASH, "LANDRIGAN, TOM", MAINE, NARROWGAUGE, ON2, TANKCAR, TWOFOOT, CONSTRUCTION, FREIGHTCAR, PROTOTYPE, O, MR )

Scratchbuilding in On2 - B&SR 2-foot gauge tank car
Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette, March/April 1992 page 52
( B&SR, MAINE, NARROWGAUGE, ON2, "REID, BOB", SCRATCHBUILD, TANKCAR, TWOFOOT, CONSTRUCTION, FREIGHTCAR, O, NGSL )

Bridgton & Saco River 2-foot gauge tank car
Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette, March/April 1992 page 54 ( B&SR, DRAWING, MAINE, NARROWGAUGE, TANKCAR, TWOFOOT, FREIGHTCAR, PROTOTYPE, NGSL )

Photo of models of Socony #12 & #14
Maine Two Foot Quarterly, Volume 2-3, Winter 1997 page 11
( B&SR, "BROTHERS, GERALD", MAINE, NARROWGAUGE, PHOTO, SOCONY, TANKCAR, TWOFOOT, FREIGHTCAR, M2FQ )

Ken Wing

Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:55:47 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: tank car refs



Just back from ALS with the new parents , Bill and Nancy Eckert. Found a new challenge in going through my stuff. This is a cc of a 1908 Railway Gazette news report on the B&SR mentioning their new RED tank carNews to me as all the pix I've ever seen showed these two itty-bitty tankers with tanks paintrd aluminum.

Bred and born in New York State, it is easy to recall the SOCONY stations with the red Flying Red Horse logo. As these tanks might well have been relocated from elderly standard guage cars, does anyone have a handle on this? Does Exxon-Mobil have a corporate history department?

I remember, sometime back in the early thirties when the Socony station down the atreet drove the price up by changing from six gallins for a dollar to five gallons for a dollar. Wonder if Greenspan remembers this.

Cam Brown

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:22:25 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: tank car refs



I thought that Alantic Richfiled Oil Co. had the "Flying Red Horse" emblem, usually shown with the name 'Richfield'. the later corporate name is ARCO ibelieve.
Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 06:28:43 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: tank car refs



The big flying red horse with flapping wings flew over the Standard (OilCo. of NY) Building in Albany. NY from the 1930's to ?. Don't Know if I have any old oil cans in my stuff to cinch the point.

Cam Brown

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:14:06 -0500
From: "Thomas"

Subject: Re: tank car refs



Cam, I recall a company here in Illinois called Sunoco, but the one you have listed as SOCONY must have been an East Cost gas station chain. I remember hearing of the SOCONY Co. though. Was there a reference to SOCONY Vacuum in their process of making their fuel?
Thomas Scott

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:48:34 EDT
From: dlvisconti4853@aol.com

Subject: SOCONY



SOCONY = Standard Oil Company Of New York
Sunoco = Sun Oil Company

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:15:44 EDT
From: Mikado8@aol.com

Subject: Re: tank car refs



Socony became Mobil. Used to be Socony Vacumn Co.
Bill

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:09:54 -0700
From: James Hoback

Subject: Re: tank car refs



List,

Looks like Mobilgas is the one with the flying red horse. See http://www.cooksclassics.com

Jim
James Hoback
Sonora, California

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:12:31 -0700
From: James Hoback

Subject: Re: tank car refs, P.S

.

P.S. After going to http://www.cooksclassics.com click on the antique gas pumps section.

Jim
James Hoback
Sonora, California

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:28:09 -0000
From: "William Van Lenten"

Subject: Socony



I have put pics in a folder in the pics area





Bill

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:46:48 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: tank car refs



Just back from ALS with the gate locked.

Driving up the Northway just one exit below, SWMBO wanted breakfast and we needed gas so I told her that I would take the very next exit. Driving down through the woods she asked where we were going and I told her there was this nice little place where she had bacon and eggs before.
Not until we stood in front of the gate and saw the ALS sign did she catch on.

Cam,
I was in Endicott on Saturday and it was sprung on me to drive to Albany so I did not check with Dick or Frank or anyone in advance.

Hope to see you there during the Fall meet.

Arno

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:47:29 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: NG Diesel 4700N Summary



Many thanks to all who responded to my inquiry last week regarding NG Diesel 4700N.

From the responses, and a little research on my own, I summarize the information I have compiled to date on 4700N.

4700N was a four axle narrow gauge diesel locomotive built by GE for the US Army for potential use on overseas railroads around the world. 4700N, and it's six axle sibling 3000, were tested by the US Army in 1955 on the D&RGW. Neither were a big success.

I have collected a total of eight photographs of 4700N. I have all 8 as .jpg files and will be happy to send them to anyone interested.

Articles on 3000 and 4700N were published in the following:

Light Iron Diegest Volume 4, Number 1 and Volume 4, Number 3.

Short and Narrow Rails Volume Number 33 and Volume Number 48.

I have not located copies of any of the above articles and would be very grateful to anyone who would be willing to make me copies. I would be happy to pay copying and mailing costs.

Thanks again to all who responded.

Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, TX

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:31:30 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"

Subject: Kitsap Live Steamers Friends & Family Meet



I have just posted pixs taken at Kitsap Live Steamers "Friends & Family Meet" The Weather Was Great And Many Turned Out To Enjoy A Day Of Railroading. Check These And More Out At:

"Live Steaming In The Pacific Northwest"

http://www.sscom.org/pnwls.html

Enjoy!

Dan Morris
Message: 4

Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:58:39 -0400
From: "Pat Turner"

Subject: RE: Kitsap Live Steamers Friends & Family Meet



Cool I just posted two movies I took at Kitsap during the NMRA national convention about a week and a half ago. One movie is not to be missed. But, it is not a must see, it is a must hear! Turn off your monitor or close your eyes and listen to it and tell me you can tell the difference between this and a real steam train. I bet you can't.

For those that don't know, I help out Jim O'Connor by hosting and maintaining the Video Clips page on Discover Live Steam. The page can be found at:

http://www.discoverlivesteam.com/video_clips/A-video_clips.htm

The Kitsap video is the one titled "Full Load" near the top of the page and is of Don Deffley's Mikado pulling, you guessed it, a full load.

The one titled "Santa Fe" was also taken at Kitsap.

And, for those that don't know me I can be found in this picture taken at Kitsap during the convention:


http://kitsaplivesteamers.org/nmra_visitors_at_kls.htm

I took a good many videos during the convention (18) and have a several more to post, but I am going to spread them over the next week or two so keep checking back to see what is new every couple of days.

Also, while I have you reading here. If you have some videos please be sure to send them in and I will post them. If you don't have any to send in right now just keep this in mind when shooting video in the future.

And lastly, if you have an interest in buying a copy of all current videos listed on the site on one CD let me know. I am thinking of offering this service for about $5 postage paid if there is a demand for it. I know not every one is on a fast connection or has the time to download them all.

Pat Turner
(Pat's Live Steam pages)

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:58:33 -0700
From: James Hoback

Subject: Re: Socony



All right Bill, I give up. Where is the "pis area"? What is the name of the folder?

Thanks,

Jim
James Hoback
Sonora, California

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:20:45 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: RE: Kitsap Live Steamers Friends & Family Meet



Pat,

How does one send you a video? I have some stuff I shot at VIME on an analogue video unit and have clips on my computer but they're huge. I have a great one of Steve Alder's 0-4-0 hauling a big load over Michell bridge that i think most would enjoy.

kind regards
Dennis

Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 06:40:04 -0400
From: "Pat Turner"

Subject: Re: RE: Kitsap Live Steamers Friends & Family Meet



Yes, that is the thing to look for is clips of the right size. We would prefer if the clips you send us are under 5mb, but I will consider anything under 10mb if you send it to me direct at the address listed below. There are links on the web page to email the clips to us if they are under 5mb.

http://www.discoverlivesteam.com/video_clips/A-video_clips.htm

Pat Turner

Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:31:59 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: tank car refs



Arno:

Again, I'm just back from ALS. Nice weekend, as long as the rains stayed off. The cataclysmic affair this weekenf was the biannual appearance of one Rudy vanWingen, west coast broad narrow gauge (ie 3 ft) maven and his wife, and Ester his wife.

Disregarding the fact that ALS is the home, and incubator of thegeneric 3' Mogul model, Tom Rhoads' Fitchburg Norther, It is now home to Bill and Nancy Eckerts generic 2' Mogul model, Realizing that Rudy, based upon his towering reputation on the other coast and video evidence, was qualified to operate narrow gauge steam engine models, I loaned him back the bowler (or derby) that he gave me a few years back so, when his friends on the other coast see pictures from last Sunday, he shall be recognized as the engineer.

Even though the van (I had always capitalized the V)Wingens didn't get up to Maine to see the remants of the Extra Narrow Gauge, they did get some small exposure on the Eckerts engine at ALS. I missed a chance for one of my smart mouth comebacks. Rudy noted a (slight?) rippling of our track here and there. I was going to claim facetiously that this was being true to SR&RL prototype of having the rail joints matching.

I hope some of the pictures (still and movie) of ALS and Rudy come out. These were taken on Rudy's space age ditital. Having been shown the basics, this guy, only truly checked out on the Kodak Brownie, didn't know that the memory was filled. Hope I didn't go over and ruin anything Rudy had already taken. Dors one still use terms like "take" or "film" over when using one of those ditital contraptions.

Since I was going to send another plea for help to the group. I'll do it now. I shall locate the E-mail fro the chapwho sent me those references on find plans for the B&SR tank cars. Foubd a good one in SL&NG within minutes. The next trivia question is this: What did a standard guage Standard Oil of New York tank car in 1900 look like - especially the shad of red? I think The Johns Hopkins University Press issued a book "The American Railroad reight Car" by White. I have his on the passenger car but the pile of stiff has not as yet yieldad up the book on freight car.

Maybe Exxon Mobil has a history department. I'll bug my friend at their local station to see if I can worm my way into such a department. Incidentally, all the gas pumps and much of the give-away-to-get-you-to-buy hand outs still sport the SOCONY flyong red Pegasus logo.

I apologize to the Eckerts, who I have urged to join this bunch. I called them "new parents". Wrong! They are the "new foster parents" of that B&SR flat car I was building that will support the tank that will be, If we can eatablish the correct color, the same as the old standard gauge tank that was placed on it's prototype up in Bridgton circa 1904.

Too much trivia. I'll go away now.

Cam Brown

Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:59:20 -0000
From: "Dave"

Subject: tools you should have to get started



Ok, after spending sunday morning down in Arroyo Grande and riding the Bitter Creek Western, we(my wife and I) actually talked about 7+ trains a good portion of our drive back to Tracy, CA. I had the chance to meet and talk with Harry (from the LALS, was driving the steeple cab locomotive, forgot your last name..sorry about that but thanks for the conversation) and also meeting and talking with Karl the owner. I took several photographs of some great looking equipment, too many to list and having a grand ride behind the "little giant" in a very cool looking D&RGW drop bottom gondola pretty much burried the hook in my mouth.
Luckily for me my wife supports me in the interest of this hobby, sure I'm like alot, don't have a very large budget at this time, I know I've discussed in the past some ideas for an engine and a riding car and recieved some great advise, now on to another subject.
Tools! I'll be honest, don't need advise for a steam engine at this time, but what would tools would you all recomend someone getting started, I'm sure the more the better. But here comes that budget thing. Luckily you can by a good portion of stuff r-t-r, but you pay more $$$$ for it. Then there are some kits, where you can either buy it non machined, me not having any tools that doesn't work at this time, then their is the kits that are machined needing to be put together, now that is sounding more my style, a little cheaper and I get the joy(or frustration as some might say) of putting it together and finishing it. Or maybe there is a much better answer that I'm completely missing...clue me in!

Thanks for everyones time and comments,
Dave Salamon Tracy, CA

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:13:50 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: tools you should have to get started



My Two cents on minimum startup tools:
For assembling a machined kit, a reasonalby complete set of automobile home tinker tools would probably work, such as combination wrenches, for 1/4 through 3/4 Ignition wrenches 3/8 and smaller for the miniature bolts and nuts, screw drivers with correct tip sizes to match the screws used in the assembly (such as Phillips 0,1, and 2 tips, etc.) ball peen hammers in various weights and materials, plastic head hammer tack hammer, set of pin and drift punches, a 4" or 6" bench vise, various miniature pliers and regular size pliers, a complete 1/4 inch drive socket set, including the optional 9/16 and 5/8 sockets, with deep sockets, regular, and shallow in both 6 point and 12 point styles (12 point usually hav ethinner walls and can get into some spaces that 6 point ones will not) files in bastard and mill single and double cut flat and half round or oval and rattail styles, a miniature/warding file set also, digital readout caliper 6" capacity, 12" hack saw frame and range of blades from extra fine to coarse, as a minimum for the hand tools.
Additionally, a portalbe drill and sets of drill bits in letter, number, fractions, adn metric sizes to allow drilling any necessary holes to 'add improvements' as you assemble, a bench grinder with one grinding wheel and one wire wheel, good shop lighting, a prtable air compressor for use in blowing chips out of blind holes, etc.

When you feel the need to add tools, think about a 0-1/2 inch capacity drill press, a 12-14" throat bandsaw with slow speed capability, a heavy bench to mount the vise(s) on and to use in heavy assxembly, a hydraulic press with a large enough throat to allow pressing wheel-axle assemblies and bearing installations, a lathe with a large enough throw to allow remachining worn wheels later.
Larger air compressor and air tools for riveting tenders and car bodies, gas and electric welding sets for frame fabrication, etc.

Eventually a mill of 'suitable size' for the work you will be doing (a Unimat 3 is nice but not very practical for turning or machining 3-3/4" scale drivers).

The limits will be set by your shop space, your budget, and your needs so do some careful planning. the weight of tools and tooling goes up fast with size so also look to the future of your lifting capabilities.

If you plan to do work in wood, that is another whole range of tools and tooling.

I hope this helps,
Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:07:46 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd Butler"

Subject: GE 3000



Contact Light Iron Digest and they may have those issues for sale. There address is http://www.lightirondigest.com/
Boyd Butler

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:10:53 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: GE 3000



Boyd,

Thanks for the suggestion, however their web site shows those particular issues are no longer available.

Bill Laird

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:34:38 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: GE 3000



You might try e-mailing them asking for copies of the specific articles from their archive issue set. usually a publisher will be willing ot make copies of free or a nominal fee to pay for the time, materials, and mailing.
Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:57:04 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: Re: GE 3000



Good idea, William. I will give it a try.

Bill Laird

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:52:23 -0000
From: "William Van Lenten"

Subject: Socony pictures



Look in the photos section, under Socony file.

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:41:59 -0700
From: James Hoback

Subject: Socony Photos



Bill,

I finally found the photos. The problem is that there are two web sites shown on your postings. The first one is http://www.7-plus-ngm.org with its own set of photos, postings, files etc.

The second one is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7-plus-NGM/ which is the one with your Socony photos, other files, photos etc. This is a very confusing situation. Why can't it all be put on one site for 7+ people?

Regards,

Jim
James Hoback
Sonora, California

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:42:15 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Socony pictures



How do I get to the photo section? Got notice of error when I tried the www address.

The flat car, plus the bits and pieces that were not yet attached are, on their way to Vermont. Bill and Nancy (they are not yet on the group list so I'll cc them) couldn't have been more than a block away when I had this comforting thought. Do"t worry abopt the strength of this wooden car - once you get the truss rods on, things will br e fine. I still owe you two a cc of the B&SR (wooden) box car plan showing all the wooden parts in compression and all the steel rods, both the truss and hiddden under the sheathing, in tension.

Cam Brown

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:04:01 -0700
From: James Hoback

Subject: Re: Socony pictures



Cam,

Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7-plus-NGM/ and sign in (or join if you have not already). Click on the word photos in the list on the left. Socony is among the folders there.

Regards,

Jim Hoback

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:09:51 -0000
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: Socony Photos



Hi Jim,,

the www.7-plus-ngm.org is our own webbased homepage, absolute independent from yahoo.

The main reason for starting this was, that at yahoo the old messages are only stored until the space is filled up and than deleted.Also, the space for files and photos is limited.
The next is, that files and photos can only accessed by members. And than, their are allways members, who have problems to log in at yahoo-groups.

To solve this problems, I produce a monthly digest of all messages (as long as they are not to much off topic) and also download and store all files/photos and show them together with the mentioning message.

Hope, this clears up you confusion.

Regards from Germany
Hubert
moderator

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:53:57 -0700
From: James Hoback

Subject: Re: Re: Socony Photos



Lieber Hubert,

Thank you for your explanation, and thank you for all your efforts on this list. I have now looked at the http://www.7-plus-ngm.org/archives.htm The message-archiv-index and I see all the information I was looking for.

Gre,

Jim
Jim Hoback
Sonora, CA

Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:38:04 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: 1st mixed on the PB for 51 years



http://www.steamengine.com.au/railways/narrow-gauge/puffing-billy/GembrookMixed2004/index.html

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:00:52 -0700
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: K36



A very nice photo of three 7.25" gauge D&RGW K36 taken by Richard Shaw operating at the Weston Park Railway in Shropshire, England can be found here.

www.livesteaming.com

TH

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:59:24 EDT
From: Mikado8@aol.com

Subject: Re: K36



Trevor:
The D&RG narrow gauge has always been a favorite since I first saw them in 1963. To see three of them operating on 7.25 gage has got to be some sight.Love to see more of them as well as hear what they sound like especially doubleheaded.
Thanks for sharing with us.
Bill Cochrane

Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:10:19 +0100
From: "Andrew Walton"

Subject: Re: K36



Hi all
I have had the pleasure of driving 2 of the locos in the photo and are both verry different to drive and have differences in size

Regards
Andy Walton
Denver Light Railway
Locomotive Engineer
www.denverlightrailway.co.uk
www.denverlightrailway.com

Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:23:35 +1000
From: "Paxon G&C"

Subject: Beware



Just a note to the list.
One of the fellows down here made a very large purchase from Little Engines and was shipped nothing although he was promised delivery "soon" over and over. After considerable discussion he was finally sent a box with a few parts which he refused and was returned. What he orderd was a finished engine and tender. After consdierable more discussion, getting the local California sherrif involved, and getting a California lawyer onto it, he did get a check for the amount of the purchase. He is still out of pocket a consideable sum. We have heard that Mason up in BC was assembling the lttle engines trains buy has stopped due to no payment, also.
Not sure if this is true.
Also not sure if this is a general problem, but it pays to beware.

Geo.

Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:26:56 EDT
From: VANCENICK@aol.com

Subject: Re: Beware



Send him to Texas where satisfaction is guaranteed.

Vance Nickerson