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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 11:02:50 +0100
From: "Peter Beevers"

Subject: Re: trailing truck problem



Fred,

I'm building something similar, rather like the Moors Valley Railways' Jason. How they've done it is to weld two round rods across the frames (about 3/4" diameter from memory), which have a block of steel running on them. This has the bogie pivot on it. Thus, the truck can move round (on the pivot) but also left and right (on the rods), allowing it to get round curves just fine.

I have a photo of the arrangement which I could email you if you wanted......

Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:30:42 -0000
From: "fred veenschoten"

Subject: Re: trailing truck problem



thanks, Peter, i'd like to see that. when i was there i got lots of pictures but missed that detail.
e-mail: 2fredntoni@cox.net

i looked at my problem again this morning and realized that i had the yoke pivot too far forward so the truck didn't pivot enough. by moving the pivot back about 10" things look much better. the other problem is how to let it rub against the frame. maybe your suggestion would take care of both problems.
thanks, leave off the 2 on my address.
fred v

Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:54:49 -0400
From: Mark & Nancy Milbourne

Subject: Re: trailing truck problem



We had at 2-4-4 forney at our 36" gauge RR for a few years. The rear truck (in addition to being able to pivot) could slide sideways about 12" each way on a set of rollers mounted under the frame. The slide area was maybe an inch or so higher at each end to help it want to stay centered. Because of the slide arrangement, nothing actually held the truck to the frame except the loco's weight. The truck had to be chained up to the frame before the cranes lifted the loco for transport.

Sounds like the sliding block on rods idea is a better arrangement for 7.5" locos however.

Mark

Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:30:08 +1200
From: Grant & Donna Alexander

Subject: Covered passenger cars and concrete



Thanks Phil, you have cast the light of inspiration on my thoughts of covered passenger cars. Yes I whole heatedly agree with you, I too prefer the open cars when riding on preserved railways, you get the full atmosphere that way. Well that's done it for me. No Roof's at Squirrel Valley Railway!!

Tim, yes I too was planning the cast concrete floor, as I had seen that done once before and it made for extremely stable cars, and what if it weighs around 150 pounds, that's only one adult passenger!!

Grant Alexander
Squirrel Valley,
Cambridge, New Zealand.

Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:45:54 +1200
From: Grant & Donna Alexander

Subject: Open weekend at Squirrel Valley Railway



Welcome one and all, we are having an open weekend on the 7 railway here at Squirrel Valley next weekend. If you just happen to find yourself in New Zealand, and in the vicinity of Cambridge on Saturday or Sunday (or both) next weekend, why not pop in for a ride/drive/look!

We have a mainline of around 350 yards with various sidings and short branchlines to keep 3 or 4 loco's busy. Plenty of water and char (processed clean burning coal) available on site, and maybe even a hot meal or two if you book early! Email me directly for further information.

Grant Alexander
Squirrel Valley,
Cambridge,
New Zealand.

Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:26:59 -0000
From: "fred veenschoten"

Subject: Re: trailing truck problem



but i like the centering idea too. i've played with some ideas on this too. more food for thought.
thanks,
fred v

Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:01:09 -0700
From: Greg Robinson

Subject: Narrow Gauge Convergence



There have been murmurs in the shadows. Questionable characters have been making shocking suggestions.

And of course the best thing to do with a shocking statement is to pass it on to as many people as possible!

It has been suggested that perhaps there should be some Narrow Gauge specific activities / seminars / guest speakers / and what-have-you at the Train Mountain Triennial next summer.

I've been approached by a large number of Colorado-style Narrow Gaugers, logging folks, 3.75" scale folks, etc. who have said they plan to attend. And more than one has said they would like to "get organized". I wasn't sure if that mean "organized" like a group working for the greater good or "organized" like a gang of mobsters. Either way it might be fun.

Everyone, please let me know what you think . . . and please pass along any suggestions. How would you like to meet and greet other narrow gaugers? Who would you like to see there? What events would you enjoy participating in?

All the Best,
Greg

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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 19:40:39 -0700
From: "Steve Hughes"

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



That's a great idea Greg! There are a enough of us narrow gauge live steam.
narrow gauge diesel, and galloping goose folks out here to have some really interesting meetings. I am certain those that have narrow gauge products for sale would appreciate the opportunity to present their products and we could all share ideas about our individual projects and technical problems. Perhaps we could even attract some noted narrow gauge historians to present an educational talk or two.
Let's do it!
Steve Hughes, an RGS#20 builder

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:27:37 +1200
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: RE: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Great Idea!

My suggestion picks up on something mentioned on the riding railway university sessions - how about a load-up-the-hill-haul - lets show these 1.5" scale fellows what NG was designed to do. The sight of geared locomotives - or ng diesels pulling heavy loads up a solid grade makes me break into a grin just thinking about it!

Chris Draper
Winter Creek Bush Tramway
www.thefunnyfarm.co.nz/WinterCreekIntro.htm
Auckland, New Zealand

Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 14:21:22 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Ah yes, that brings back a memory of a LALS meet where one night we decided to couple all the riding cars on the track behind Dick Priest's Daylight 4-8-4 and David Rohrer was the engineer on the first trial. David started out in the station with about 80lbs and a full glass, by the time he reached the 'grade' he was rolling at about 5MPH, had the safties feathering, a clear stack, and the smokebox was glowing dull red. He got back to the station with a full glass, 100lbs, and a spot fire for the next engineer to try the trip. That engineer got on and pulled out, he stalled on the 'grade' with no pressure and a low glass.
Dick's engine was burning used oil and required steam pressure to both heat and atomise the fuel, it took a while to build the pressure back up for that engineer adn he geneerated some mighty clouds of smoke in the process. The variations on 'stack talk' that night still bring a smile.
Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:54:55 -0700
From: "Michael Lavrich"

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Great idea, Greg!!
I'd like to see a survey, list and comparison of trucks and couplers used, available and a chart of compatibility.
This is especially important for couplers so we can know whose equipment we an couple on and run with.
This is especially important to those of us just beginning so we can have maximum compatibility.

Michael Lavrich

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:10:33 EDT
From: douglasandcj@aol.com

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



I think the idea is great. It would be fun to meet and talk to other narrow minded folks, exchange ideas and just maybe start pulling some factions of the hobby together such as compatible couplers.

Doug De Berg
Rock Creek Railway

Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:47:30 -0000
From: "Trevor Heath"

Subject: 2.5" Scale Turbo Generators



Hi all,

I'm visiting England at the moment. I've been asked if anyone knows of a source for 2.5" scale, preferably working turbo generators or kits of castings to build same.

Thanks,
TH

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:03:34 -0700
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: 2.5" Scale Turbo Generators



Trevor:

Rudy Van Wingen had them and we have them on our engines, but he is not able to manage the business now due to bad health. Someone is talking with him about taking it over and then perhaps a lot of good stuff will re-appear.

Peter Moseley
F&PV RR

Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:26:04 -0700
From: Greg Robinson

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



I wish I could take credit for it. The idea is Tom Artzberger's, but we'll be helping him with it.

Keep the ideas coming. We're going to make it one heck of a party.

All the Best,
Greg

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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:22:46 -0700
From: "Dennis Weaver"

Subject: RE: 2.5" Scale Turbo Generators



Trev,

Rudy at Como Roundhouse has had a set of castings for a turbo-generator available in the past. Don't know if there are any more and Rudy has been undergoing Chemo lately and been under the weather so I don't know if he'll respond or not.

By the way your water glass material showed up.

DW

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:53:43 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)

From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Re: 2.5" Scale Turbo Generators

Am very sorry to hear that Peter,could you give Rudy my best as he is a wonderful fellow and always look forward to seeing him. Boyd Butler

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:15:59 -0400
From: Robert W Herronen RWHERRON

Subject: Re: 2.5" Scale Turbo Generators



Oh no. I didn't hear he was having health problems. I hope it is nothing serious. I'll keep him in my prayers.

-Rob

Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:22:51 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: 2.5" Scale Turbo Generators



If Rudy is taking Chemotheropy it is probably serious.
I hope he recovers fully and has a long life ahead of him.
Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:00:00 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



There will be a contingent of four 3 3/4" scalers from Port Alberni at the Triennial. So far the first serious locomotive project is a 2-4-0 + 0-4-2 Garratt as seen on Trevor's pages and developed by Richard Stuart.
It will be as close to a clone as possible (why bugger with perfection) but fuelled by both coal and propane.

The following locomotives will be a Shay, Heisler and a 2-4-4 similar to a SR & RL 0-4-4 but with pony truck. All will be ride in the cab units.
We also have the problem of deciding which coupler to use, coupler height and etc. as previously mentioned.

It would be nice to have known standards to build to for compatibility.

kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:02:02 +0200
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Hello Greg,

great idea.

I still remember that afternoon, as Rudy van Wingen and Kevin Doe operated together the double-header down to "Dusty Meadows" and than back up the serpentine with all available 2.5" scale cars coupled behind.



And with the failure of both pumps on the D&RGW #340, the C&S #13 operated by Rudy van Wingen had to do the whole work. And the performance of # 13 during that roundtrip convinced Rudy to buy the engine.

I'm planning to come back to Train Mountain next summer (hopefully my wife will let me do so and come with me) and it would be very interesting to have some special narrow gauge activities. I also hope, that my friend Rudy can participate.

Hubert from Germany
Moderator of the 7-plus-ngm - mailing list

Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:54:19 -0700
From: Greg Robinson

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Thanks for the positive feedback, everyone.

Last weekend, a friend of Rudy's told me that things are very serious, but we will all hope for the best.

Greg

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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:22:24 -0700
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



The Flintridge and Portola Valley gang will be at the Train Mountain tri-centennial. We hope to have several C-16's and a K-27, all coal fired, plus a work train and some other cars. All are made to 2.5"/ foot scale and use Conway couplers set at 5.4" above the rail. The couplers should match those now being produced by Roll Models, although we have yet to try them.

The equipment can be seen at our website:

www.homepage.mac.com/petermoseley

Peter Moseley
Ron Schmidt
Bill Boller
F&PV RR

Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:53:41 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: [Fwd: [Livesteamers] Re: Meg Steam]



I posted this on the Livesteaming site.

Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:14:44 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza
Subject: [Livesteamers] Re: Meg Steam


Jeff Smith wrote:

Does Meg Steam still exist?

Just got off the phone with Dougal. Meg Steam still exists but only until the end of this year. Regretfully Dougal is wrapping the business up and going into another career. He is still working on Meg Steam and will fulfil any commitments he makes.

My email from the address that I got from steam-up.com was kicked back to me.

dwhubner@uniserve.com should get him.

Do they sell H.K. Porter patterns? Does anyone know who does?

Dougal sell the 'Wendy' plans 24 of 24" X 36" sheets for $130.00 USD and that covers postage to anywhere within the continent. If the buyer wants to build an 'Uncle Sam' Dougal will include the shop drawings that he made up to guide the change from the Wendy to the Sam. He did confirm that he will be continuing to supply castings but not as an active business.


kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 01:43:45 EDT
From: Lineshaft@aol.com

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Dennis,
Do you have any pictures of the Heisler?

Thanks,
Dave Fontes

Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:59:34 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Not really,

It's still mostly ideas coming together but nothing even started as far as drawings go. Our idea is to build a series of four locomotives; one for each member of our group and each that members favourite locomotive. We started with mine because I could get the drawings and the castings right away. The 2-4-4 will be loosely based on the maxi seven, the Shay will be kinda like Dave Giles (New Zealand) locomotive and the heisler will be a representative two foot gauge locomotive done for 7 1/2" gauge rail.

kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:36:05 -0500
From: "Thomas"

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



What is the rail weight (size, and type) at Train Mountain? From what I have been reading, the size of engines in the 2 1/2 scale or larger narrow gauge are quite heavy and it would seem to be that a heavier rail than the smaller aluminum rail used for 1 1/2 scale would be needed to hold up under the weight.
Thomas Scott

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 06:51:13 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



The track at Train Mountain is part alumium and part steel, the alumium on the main line is being replaced as it wears out due to traffic, its the 1" profile rail like most use both steel and alumium. We have several people that run there larger scale equipment on it. Right now there is a George Town shay sitting in the steaming bay which will be under steam in about an hour made from scratch by Rich Uhln.
Come on up and join us see what we have and ride ride ride.
Boyd Butler

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:36:09 -0700
From: "Michael Lavrich"

Subject: Re: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Peter,

I'd love to see those pictures but cannot get that website address to work.

Michael

Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 15:51:58 -0000
From: "mamilbourne"

Subject: Tread width in 2.5" scale?



I'm a relative newcomer to the group - trying to design a 2.5" scale diesel to 7.5" gauge.

What are people doing for wheel width in 2.5" and larger scales? Is there any harm in making the tread width closer to scale as long as the flange width stays under the IBLS 0.156" max? I had somebody tell me to keep the whole wheel 7/8" or less but I can't think of any reason why. IBLS chart just calls for a minimum wheel thickness of 0.750" - no max given. In 2.5" scale the wheel could be a full 1" wide. 3.75" scale even wider.

Thanks,
Mark

Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:47:16 +0000
From: "Roy Stevens"

Subject: RE: tread width in 2.5" scale



Everyone I know in 2.5" uses 1" wide wheels with no ill effects. The only place that a wider wheel would have trouble is at self-guarding frogs, and I know noone that uses those in 7.5" or 7.25" gauge.

Roy

Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 15:18:14 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Michael,
there are too many Quicktime movies on the front page for the average Windows machine ( mine - W98SE 512 RAM) everything froze.

I had to reboot, just open the browser software and open
www.homepage.mac.com/petermoseley

That is great stuff, great movie snippets, and worth the trouble of rebooting.
(Maybe a future upgrade could put just links to the Quicktimes on the homepage so that the latter will load fast.)
Arno

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:43:02 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Meg Steam`



I have a set of unused plans for the Wendy along with the updates that I would sell. Boyd Butler

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:46:21 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Re: Tread width in 2.5" scale?



Most are using one inch on there wheels, the only drawback is that going over some grade crossings they will run on the concrete if it is not lower than the rail head the flange is the same as standard gauge.
Boyd.

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:48:49 -0700
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Sorry guys. I didn't realize the format was causing trouble. I will work on it, but not for awhile.

Peter Moseley
www.homepage.mac.com/petermoseley

Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:45:57 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Don't worry about it Peter.
It only affects we lesser guys with slow, old Windooze machines.
If you get around to it over the winter season, please announce it here again.
Thanks,
Arno

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:28:24 -0000
From: "Trevor Heath"

Subject: Another fatal accident on the RH&D



There has been another fatal accident on the 15" gauge RD&H in Southern England.

The loco driver (a Lady) was killed when the loco was struck by a car on a level crossing.

The accident happened Sunday evening.

TH

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:47:31 +0100
From: "Andrew Walton"

Subject: Re: Another fatal accident on the RH&D



Hi All
Yes there was the loco was No8 Hurricane and the driver was the General Managers wife Photos on this site

http://www.eastkentmercury.co.uk/news/default.asp?article_id=21279

Regards
Andy Walton
Denver Light Railway
Locomotive Engineer

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:49:42 -0600
From: "Chuck Hoelzen"

Subject: Re: Another fatal accident on the RH&D



Rail crossings have always been a problem for the full size railroads.

Our smaller scales add the disadvantage of size. A bit of a turn about where the driver of the car outweighs the loco.

15" gauge can get heavy but not tangle with a moving car.

Chuck Hoelzen
Riverview & Twin Lakes RR

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:44:46 -0000
From: "Tim Edwards"

Subject: A little Help



Hi There, does anyone know where i can get a 3" or 4" scale narrow gauge locomotive for 7 1/4" gauge for a good price. It dosnt matter if the loco is diesel, steam, or battery electric. I just wanted a narrow gauge locomotive to run with some superb slate wagons I have.

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:04:48 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Re: A little Help



There is a loco in WA state that is available its new and test run with a riding car, much like the loco Kenosha, its a younger brother built by the same fellow Skid Roeh. Its gauged for 7.5" but can be regauged.
Boyd Butler

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:19:00 -0600
From: "Chris Lane"

Subject: Re: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Hey Peter:

For those of use with the right computer (MACs). the site works perfectly.
Chris Lane

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:50:09 -0000
From: "Jeff Badger"

Subject: Re: A little Help



Tim, there is a 7.25" 3.75 scale 2-4-0 WATO for sale at a reasonable price in Maine. Follow the link to pics and info.

2-4-0 WATO Steam Locomotive in 3-3/4 scale. This is a beautiful steamer in 7.25 guage. This locomotive is comparable to a Roll Models Stuart. Originally from Australia built in 1989.
This locomotive features a large Keim water pump, single chime whistle, Briggs type boiler (with fusible plug in crown sheet), Aluminum tender with 70 gallon water capacity, tender also features 2 cylinder axle pump, 2 safeties. The boiler was recently hydroed to 150 psi for 5 minutes with out leaks. The large firebox allows easy cleaning. Also when operating the firebox will hold enough fire for about a 15 minute trip on hard coal. There is one 8' flat car that needs truck work.

I seek to sell this for $18,000 with trailer. Will consider partial trade of diesel from MCC (GE-Dash9{16hp} or Roll Models Transfer Switcher {battery}). More pictures are available upon request. Some delivery is available depending on location.

email me at willy1960@yahoo.com




Now who can give me info on that Kenosha knock off up in WA. state. I may be interested here on the left coast/

Jeff

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:39:13 -0700
From: George Potter

Subject: Re: Tread width in 2.5" scale?



Mark, (and Boyd),

I"ve been running my engine (2 1/2" Scale Wood Burning American) with 1" wide wheels, for about 12 years, and haven't had any problems. (I've run at most tracks between LALS and Vancouver Island - Burnaby (both mentioned, as they are close in latitude to each other).

Note: Anyone (meaning track owners) with ANYTHING higher than the rail head (near the track) will snag something on somebody's engine at some point in time ........ .

Regards,
George Potter
Placerville, California

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:40:21 +1200
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: RE: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Chris - I understand they are putting Intel chips in Mac's these days..

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:07:21 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Typical, minute minority takes precedence over absolute majority. Only in America eh?

kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:56:48 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Re: Tread width in 2.5" scale?



The reason why I brought it up was we had trouble at Train Mountain with one or two crossings that just affected the one inch wheels and we took care of them with a grinder, I am shure that you never have had problems but we did and that is why I brought it up to let others know what may cause probems with wide wheels.
Boyd.

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:24:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Keeline

Subject: RE: OT: Macs



The announcement was made recently but the first computers won't even be available for a year. It wouldn't surprise me that when they are actually made they won't be your garden variety Pentium IV but rather the seldom-used Itanium 64-bit CPU. Time will tell. Right now, Apple isn't saying much.

I got my first Mac in 1985 in a raffle in college. I think it is a significant testimony that I haven't had any problems with viruses, worms or spyware in my 20 years of using a Mac. I am an extensive user of online services and have been since the beginning.

I teach computer classes, including ones on computer security, and I don't buy the popularity notion to explain why Windows has thousands of viruses and hundreds of security holes and the Mac has virtually no problems with viruses or spyware and only the potential for worms from the software inherited from the Unix/Linux community. Apples software update policy keeps on top of these issues in a timely fashion.

There are fundamental differences between the way that Windows and other MS is designed and the software from the Unix/Linux and Open Source software.

I could go on but this isn't the forum for it. I don't care to turn this group into a Computer brand debate. E-mail me if you are interested in details. I much prefer to read about the railroads.

On that topic, I am making arrangements to purchase a RealTrains electric locomotive so I will have something to operate on the Southern California layouts, including CVLS, while we work on building a 3"-scale version of the Disneyland Mine Train Thru Nature's Wonderland (http://Keeline.com/MT) for 7.5" gauge.

The prototype used electric motors in the tender so I will likely follow that on this first version. Plus, since I have a monthly assignment to run a 1907 Baldwin 0-4-0 at the Poway-Midland Railroad (42" gauge), I get my desire to operate live steam satisfied there (http://www.PowayMidlandRR.org).

James

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:25:26 -0600
From: "Chris Lane"

Subject: Re: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



True starting sometime next year, unless Steve Jobs sobers up. Regardless, this is the 3rd chip change for Macs and is of no importance. Its not the look, or the components or the software. Its all in conjunction. By the way, I have the latest and greatest HP PC on my desk also. It is no doubt the finest machine ever made...for playing FreeCell. And if my business was FreeCell, I wouldn't dream of using anything else. But since I'm in publishing, only a Mac will do.
Chris

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:27:09 -0600
From: "Chris Lane"

Subject: Re: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Actually, I'm pretty sure you have the same thing up north... Montreal and Quebec.
Bon Jour, Chris

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:25:34 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Nsrrow Gauge



Why don't we get back to railroading and go somewhere else and discuss computers? We had a good run at Train Mountain, got four hours of riding time being Rich Uhlns Shay, saw his new stock car, has 340 castings on it, all wood is like the full scale along with the interior, without the cow pies, if someone knows where to get 2.5" pies one might send some to Rich,or live cows the same size, full scale underbody along with his own trucks.
Quite a piece of work.
Boyd
PS will be waiting to see how many narrow gauge types we have at the big meet next year.
Lets all hope that Rudy will make it there.

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:30:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Keeline

Subject: Re: Nsrrow Gauge



Can you tell me how the electrics, like the little engine from http://www.RealTrains.com fare on the grades at Train Mountain?

James

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:15:55 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



I meant North America. I keep forgetting my US of A brotherin keep thinking Canada is not in America. :o)
Nuf about this lets get back to trains.
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:20:25 -0700
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: Re: Narrow Gauge Convergence



Not yet. In 2006

Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:17:53 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Train Mountain



Well there has been several of theres and have pulled a riding car or two or one with a car or two without any trouble. Even the little Super Mack has been around the track a few times with two or three people in tow, sometimes with the owner sitting on the little thing but it made it just fine. Steamers seem to have more trouble with traction as they are usually a little light for there horse power. Get one come on over and enjoy the railroad. I just ordered two SW7 switchers from Rail Systems with the 16hp engine in it both will have powered trucks, I need something to pull my military train with but have a narrow gauge steamer that should be ready by this fall for sure maybe even September.
Boyd

Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:55:11 -0000 From: "Tim Edwards"

Subject: UK suppliers of buffers and lamps



Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me. I am looking for narrow gauge type buffers to fit to my loco, I am also looking for cheap lamps to put on the front and rear of the loco. Any assistance you can provide will be greatly appreciated.

Tim Edwards

Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:10:39 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Re: UK suppliers of buffers and lamps



Dont know about any buffers that were used on US equipment but as for the lights the only ones that I know of are Uhln Loco works and they arnt cheep the only way to get cheep ones are to make them yourself as one fellow did out of PVC pipe fittings, a little elbow grease and they looked good.
Boyd

Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:14:32 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Re: UK suppliers of buffers and lamps



Try Roll Models as there is a fellow at Train Mountain Tom Vertel that has some on his Speeder.

Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:02:17 -0400
From: Michael Guy

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



Arno,
Apologies for the late response to this thread but I have been away for several weeks with no net access. The dining car was built as a bit of an experiment but mostly just for fun. It is a quite light wood frame and it's CG with two people aboard is too high. We had one roll over caused by an experienced (!!) rider leaning out to pick something up and we haven't run the car in a while. There were other problems related to the fact that it is a four wheeler and the long wheelbase tended to cause derailments on tight curves.

The solution is to ballast the car and fit trucks I think. Whether we can get enough weight in the footwell to make it stable is questionable we will have to try it and see. Maybe a steel underframe and concrete ballast would do it.

On the subject of 7-1/4" covered cars in general, I think they can be fun in a club setting but given my experience with this one, I wouldn't haul the public in one. The risk of injury to a passenger is higher in a derailment as there is no way to either roll clear or step off the car, you just roll over with it, inside it. Arms out of windows are at risk of breakage. 10-1/4" and up gauges are a different matter entirely.

The photo is not on my web page because I haven't updated the page in a long time. I did it with MS frontpage and the default settings jammed everything into one directory so the site structure is a mess. I really need help from someone to restructure the site so I can rebuild it again in a sensible manner.

Cheers,
Michael Guy
Toronto.

Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:06:53 -0400
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: UK suppliers of buffers and lamps



Tim
I have seen where some guys use these miniature plastic lanterns that come with a watch battery and you turn it on by twisting the bottom "on/off"
Usually found on display racks when leaving Walmart or even sporting goods stores...
Normally attached to a key chain.
Chris

Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:12:56 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



Michael,

The meal will be at my sister in laws place and Arno has the directions. :o) I will show you some sketches that Veronica and I are toying with to make covered cars somewhat practical albeit very heavy and in need of lots of pulling power. We are also toying with a coupling system to make the total train more stable. Testing will commence next year at the earliest. See you around the 16th of August.

--
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:25:07 -0400
From: Michael Guy

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



Sounds good to me Dennis, see you then, souse in tow........ :-)

Bye the way, Lise and I dropped in at Montreal Live Steamers meet on July 1st (by boat!) and had a great visit with old friends including Will Jordan and his wife.

Cheers,
Michael.

Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 07:07:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: paul garin

Subject: Re: Digest Number 1270



HI GUYS,
YES, WE HAVE BUFFERS IN STOCK BECAUSE OF OUR U.K. FRIENDS.
JUST CALL ME AT (559) 441-8686.
ALL THE BEST,
PAUL G.

Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:16:48 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Re: Digest Number 1270



Something a little off subject for Paul Garin, Allan says Hi and is doing great up here in Wa state, wants to know how that military train is.
Boyd

Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:30:52 -0000
From: "narrowbend"

Subject: Re: UK suppliers of buffers and lamps



Tim,

A few years back I got some 2 1/2 English Style Lamps from Maxitrak. They were lost wax brass cactings but needed some clean up, and I never got my Maxitrak Pearl running well enough and long enough to mount them up and try them, but they look workable.

Michael

Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:33:05 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



While putting a picture in my Photobucket (always forget that I got it) I noticed that there is a copy of the above referred photo.

Arno

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:25:24 -0000
From: "Trevor Heath"

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



Hi all,

Over the pond here in Shropshire, England, the 7.25" Weston Park railway where all the loco's are coal fired. They run a covered passenger car next to the loco to help alieviate the possibility of cinders and soot landing on the paying public.

Like all railways they have the occasional derailment but the cars seem very stable. Stable to the point that I'm wondering what the design differences are.

I'm rostered to drive on Sunday (2.5" scale C19) and will take some images of the covered cars too.

I should add that the open cars are of the large scale, ride inside "toast rack" type. These too are very stable.

TH

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:36:45 +0100
From: "Andrew Walton"

Subject: Re: Re: Covered passenger cars



Hi All
The coach's that Trevor refers to were first designed to run at Beale Park Railway by Eric Smith and can be regauged for 10 1/4 as well They are very stable and do not derail easily The original covered coach has ballast in the bottom to stop it falling over The overall design is very heavy and small loco's have trouble pulling then on the grades

Regards
Andy Walton
Denver Light Railway
Locomotive Engineer

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:09:39 -0700
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Re: Covered passenger cars



Trevor,

After your visit will you report on the construction of the covered cars including what is used for ballast in the underframe?

Thanks,
Jim Hoback

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:39:17 -0700
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Dirty Laundry



On this subject, I had occasion to make the mistake of re-lighting the oil fire via the peep hole in the fire door on a 12" gauge loco without first clearing the accumulated atomized oil from the firebox. The resulting blast sounded like a 12 gauge shotgun and the flues were instantly cleaned. Unfortunately there was a lady in a white dress standing even with the stack on a station platform which was higher than the locomotive. I offered to pay for the cleaning of her dress but she just angrily stomped off and left. No sense of humor, that lady. I think perhaps she soiled herself as well, I know I did. Never, NEVER re-light an oil fire without first clearing the accumulated atomized fuel.

Cheers,
Jim Hoback

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:44:03 -0400
From: Michael Guy

Subject: Re: Dirty Laundry



Jim,
I fire a 42" gauge 0-4-0 once a week and if the fire goes out it is usually operator error on my part but it always re-lights off the firebrick. A quick open-and-shut squirt of oil relights it and I can thenregulate back to where the fire should be. I have had it happen that thebricks have cooled a bit too much to re-ignite the vapour, in that case await is in order. The blower is rarely shut off so the vapour clearsfairly quickly.

The first action each day prior to the public boarding is to go haring off down the track, light engine, to create enough draft to sand the flues. 'Ain't amateur railroading fun?

Cheers,
Michael Guy
Toronto.

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:18:18 -0000
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: INFO



I need to try and find out who make MPT taps and dies, I have been told that they are made in England, but I am not sure. I am trying to get a set of them for an engine that I am building and I have found that trying to deal with Coles is a waste of time, they will tell you that they have them and then 4 month latter you still don't have them, and when you call them you are talking to someone in Nevada and not Calforinia where the store is at. Any help in this will be grateful.
Mike Looney

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:34:34 +0000
From: "Phil Ashworth"

Subject: Re: Dirty Laundry



You'll probably call me an English creep but I once took my jacket off and lent it to a lady in a white cashmere coat one Gala day at Ravenglass. I had little confidence in my ability to get up a 1 in 46 without throwing rubbish up the chimney. She was rather impressed by such gallantry!

Phuil Ashworth

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:37:46 +0000
From: "Phil Ashworth"

Subject: RE: INFO



try

http://www.blackgates.co.uk/

best wishes,
Phil Ashworth

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:52:41 -0400
From: bruceodelberg@netscape.net

Subject: RE: INFO



Michael, I have ordered them from Coles. That tap and die part of my order was no problem. However, I also ordered a bunch of MTP fittings, and about half of them went on "back-order". It is really hard to do plumbing with no elbows. Once something goes on back-order, it seems like it goes to the bottom of the "orders to be filled" list. I would call and talk to a helpful person, whom I think was located in the store. He would make a note of my order and move it to the top of the list. A couple of the back-ordered items would arrive within a few days. Then nothing more, so I would call again; and a few more items would arrive. The whole process took over 6 months. Luckily, I had sent my order in way, way, way in advance of my needing the parts. The hardest part was calling them, as they only answer the phone for a few hours in the morning (and so it was quite often busy). My suggestion would be to pay by credit card (they do not charge until they ship), and to then call once a week. Be cheerful when you
Good luck, Bruce

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:57:02 -0700
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Dirty Laundry



You'll probably call me an English creep

No, not a creep, but we now know who has a "way with the ladies" don't we.
Good for you Phil.
James Hoback
Sonora, CA

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:02:50 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: INFO



Bruce:
All of this I know that is why I am trying to find someone more dependable then Coles, that is why I asked the question if anyone knew of another places to be able to get them. Coles has become nothing but liar, and we don't need them in this business anymore we have enough already. I would give Coles about another two month before they will be out of business from what I have been told. Now if you order from them you will be lucky if you get anything from them, they are not paying there bills and since the new owner has died whoever is running it is running it in the ground, and not putting anything back into it.
Does anyone know of where you can get Model Pipe Taper Taps and Dies?
Mike Looney

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:33:10 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Dirty Laundry



And a dime 'll get you a dollar she was really good looking to boot?? :o)

kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:03:33 +1000
From: "Paxon G&C"

Subject: Re: INFO



The machine tool place in West Virginia has small pipe fittings at good prices suitable for 5/16 OD and smaller pipe. I have ordered from them and received prompt attention.

Geo A Paxon

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:58:06 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Taps and Dies



Have you tried contacting some of the suppliers of fittings? Barry at Super Scale for one, another is Rogers Cooke Loco Works. I delt with Coles some months back and they filled my order in about two weeks without any problems, do hope they work things out. Boyd

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:44:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Keeline

Subject: Re: Dirty Laundry



Michael,

I am also a fireman on a 42" gauge 0-4-0 here in the San Diego area. Ours is a 1907 Baldwin which burns Diesel #2; it was originally an oil burner. The group runs it on the first and third weekends and I have a regular schedule of the first Sunday of each month plus special events. Here are some URLs:

http://PowayMidlandRR.org
http://Keeline.com/2004

Now that I am signed off for the left-hand seat, I have been building my skills as a driver. It's a lot of fun. We also have an 1894 LA Railways Yellow Car trolley (used in films and TV commercials) and a 1950 Fairmount speeder. All are 42" gauge, of course. We have a 1906 San Francisco Cable Car which is awaiting restoration and should be online in a year or two.

Where is your locomotive and layout. I assume it is near Toronto.

James

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:13:27 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: INFO



Geo:
That doesn't do me any good if one part is MPT and the other part isn't now does it, plus you didn't give us the name of the place in West Virginia either.
Mike Looney

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:24:11 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



Boyd:
Roger Cook e Loco Work I have dealt with him before he had his stroke, and not since then because no one answer the phone anymore, or at least when I have tired to call him, but he sell part at times and even then that was hard to get from him was the price of what he was trying to sell you.
I tired for 6 month to get the cost of a items from him and never did get it, so I gave up on him and found someone else that had what I was looking for without all the other if you know what I mean. Now with Barry you can't call him at all, you have to e-mail him or fax him, and when I am doing business with someone I like to talk to the person that I am giving my money too, and from what his catalog list there are no tap or dies listed, but he also make parts with MPT so once again we are back to where I started from trying to find what I need. Now I know they are made in England, but for some reason no one can tell me who or where they are made, and that is what I am trying to find out so maybe I can order them and ke
Mike Looney

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:12:25 -0400
From: Michael Guy

Subject: Re: Dirty Laundry



Hi James,
Thanks for the URL's. Looks like your #3 isn't so vastly different from our #2, a 1926 Montreal loco works product.

I am on the Huntsville and Lake of Bays Railway a two and a half hour drive North of Toronto (which is why I only go up once a week in the season). I wrote my Ontario steam traction operators test last fall so this summers goal is to qualify in the right-hand seat, next Tuesday will be my first turn as driver this season.

Cheers,
Michael Guy.

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:36:40 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Covered passenger cars



Like all railways they have the occasional derailment but the cars seem very stable. Stable to the point that I'm wondering what the design differences are.

Their track work may be just a tad more serious for the commercial operation. Also, do they use swing motion bolsters?

I'm rostered to drive on Sunday (2.5" scale C19) and will take some images of the covered cars too.

Sounds as if you will be getting a fore taste of how your NG loco might behave.

Cheers,
Arno

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:58:31 -0400
From: RichD

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



Boyd, Mike,,,,
you missed the discusion on the live steamers list on this 2 wks ago.
Charlie Coles invented MTP and had them made in England. They are not used by English modelers at all AFAIK. All mine came from Betty Coles. My fav pipe joining. This is reputed to be a US supplier now: From http://www.steamingpriest.com/supplier/fittings.html:
No web page, only email/tel. American Model Engineering Supply, Inc. 890 Valastics Ave. Valparaiso, FL 32580 Tele: (850) 729-8549 Fax: (850) 729-8579 eMail: ames@bsc.net Products: Live Steam Fittings, fastners and supplies

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:16:44 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



Rich:
I have dealt with them before but I never saw any taps from them in the MPT at all, but I will give them a call and see what they will tell me about this. Trying to deal with Coles is a joke now and getting worst with each day, and with part still being made using the MPT like safety valve and other parts you need a full set to make sure you can finish what you are building. It is a shame to what they did to Coles after they got it from Betty, and I don't think the owner was planning on dying on us but his son just doesn't care or give a damn and that has always been a problem when something get past down the family line you build the company up only to have your kids ruin it for you when they take over.
Mike Looney

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:45:38 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Rogers Cooke



When did he have is stroke? In the last few months? I just got two wheel flange tools from him since the first of the year, he also called me one day and we talked for some time, didnt see any problems like you are having. He was very nice to deal with and prompt with his shipments.
Boyd.

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:51:00 -0400
From: RichD

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



Mike,
If I understand the scuttlebutt correctly AMES is adding MTP and possibly some additional sizes.
Check them out.
RichD

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:59:38 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Rogers Cooke



Boyd:
He had a stroke about 2 years ago that why he doesn't come to Cabin Fever now, I was told this by Mr., Gordin from The machinery Works at the show there last year, because I was going to buy the same thing that you got, and he told me that he had a bad stroke and that because his son lives in Mexico he does have any help to do the show or just about anything else now, plus he is in his 80"s from what I have been told also, so at that age I don't blame him for not getting around to quickly either.
Mike Looney

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:06:33 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



RichD:
Thanks I will call them and let everyone here know if they will be carry them and what else they might now be adding to the site. They are nice people to do business with down there and I need to order some more Model bolts for the two steam engine I am building. I am hoping to have both up on wheels buy the end of the year. I am building a Southern PS-4 and a USRA 4-8-2, and I had the frame waterjet cut on one of them and they are about to do the other one before the year is out, and right now they are doing my commonwealth trucks and then I will have them cnc to get the right look of them. I found a place that I can get 33" wheel made out of steel and CNC for about $15.00 each so that part has been taken care of but I still need to take care of the Taps and Dies also.
Now if anyone need something cut out of waterjet cutting I know of a place that will do small order and they are real nice people to do business with and they will work with you on what you need done. No $500.00 order with them and they do great work also.
Mike Looney

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:58:22 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Rogers Cooke



He had his booth at the Adirondack LS Spring Meet in June, as usual.
Arno

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:29:02 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Rogers Cooke



Arno:
All I can go by is what I was told by his friend at cabin Fever and he hasn't been there in the past two year because I was looking for in last year and this year to buy the tool needed for turning wheels.
Mike Looney

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:32:07 -0700
From: Leon Risenhoover

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



I am ready to get my front big boy frames cut would you venture a guess what they would charge or, if you don't mind me asking what did they charge for your frames

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 22:54:38 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Rogers Cooke



If you call him I think that you might just solve all of your problems, he was around a few months ago if you read my email and he will send you them if you send him a check in the mail like I did earlier this year.
Boyd.

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:33:24 EDT
From: VANCENICK@aol.com

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



Who and where? I need several frames for the Allen 2-8-0 cut out. There are other projects I need from time to time also.

Vance Nickerson

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 08:07:58 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



The supplier mentioned in West Virginia is Blueridge Machinery.

Web site: www.blueridgemachinery.com

Another excellent supplier for MPT fittings is PM Research. They have always shipped my orders promptly.

Web site: http://www.pmresearchinc.com/home.htm

I model in 2 1/2" scale and therefore use 5/16 - 27 MPT almost exclusively. The nice thing about that size is that 5/16 - 27 MPT is exactly the same size as 1/16 NPT and 1/16 NPT taps and dies are readily available at any industrial supplier.

Bill Laird Canyon Lake, Texas

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:38:46 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Blue Ridge Machinery



Finally it can be put to rest, they have those taps and dies it looks like, now whither they are in stock or not is another thing. There address is http://blueridge.dreamscape.com/ . Go down the side index to the one that says Blue Ridge Steam Kits, that one will take you to the list that has the taps, dies and fittings in it.
Boyd.

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 09:30:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: ROBERT PETERSEN

Subject: Re: Blue Ridge Machinery



Group,

I just looked at the Blueridge site and only the 5/16 size is tapered threads. The rest of the sizes are streight threads.

Bob

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 14:36:57 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



Leon:
My fame cost me just over $500.00 but they got the metal for me also, because they get a better price for it then I can, but it depend on how many cuts are in it also. I would call them at 800-355-8998 and ask for Tracy, but you may have to wait for two week if you can't get him on Monday because I think he said that he will be on vacation for two weeks, but I would try calling him on Monday. Now if you also want it ground down he has a place that can do that also but it is in North Carolina, and he is in Virginia, but he can send it to them and then they will send it to you.
Now if you want me to I can call you and explain everything to you over the phone, just send it to me off site and I will call you back seeing that it is the weekend and I don't get charge for my minute on the weekend.
Mike Looney

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:34:23 -0000
From: "Trevor Heath"

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



I was at the Kyre Valley Railway in Herefordshire, England today to drive and photograph a 1/3 scale 7.25" Gauge 0-4-0 + 0-4-0 Beyer Garratt K1.

The railway also had a beautiful consist of 4 fuly enclosed passenger cars each seating two people each.

Can you imagine that loco with those cars....talk about the Welsh Highland in minature. Even the door slam was authentic.

I can report that there is a concrete slab under each seat and the foot well is just above the rail head.

The loco was built in 1990 then stored for 14 years as the railway it was built for was never built itself. This is its first full operating season. The railway is private but does have open days.

I've taken photo's of loco and coaches and will post on my web site when I return to the States on August 3rd.

TH

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:14:24 -0700
From: Leon Risenhoover

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



I picked up 2- 12'X8" pieces of 5/8 drops for 20 cents a LB but shipping that much steel ouch. there is a place in Tulsa OK. (80 Mi from me) that can take my DXF file strait into there machine and laser cut it, I am waiting there quote

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:35:41 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



Leon:
The problem with cutting with a Laser cut is what happen because of the heat, and then the metal will warp and not be straight any more, that why with waterjet you don't have the heat to deal with, and it is a whole lot cheaper to ship 40 pound then 80 pounds, but that will be up to you, find out how much it will cost you to have it shipped to you and then the cost of the Laser and then call the guy with the waterjet and see how much with or without the metal and go from there.
Mike Looney

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:41:12 -0000
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: MPT Taps & DIES



Ok I have talked to the people at American Model Engineering Supply Inc and they have told me that they are having the taps and dies made here in the USA, and that they will be posting an ad in both Live Steam and anohter magazine about the MTP Taps and Dies. Right now they have the taps in stock and are waiting for the Dies to come in. They had both but there was a problem with the dies and they had to send them back, they didn't label them right, nothing wrong with the dies but the wrong label on them, but when you pay for something it should be done right and they were not listed on the dies has MPT. I also ask them about maybe doing ring for piston seeing that there is no one doing them also and he said it might think about it, so that the latest new from this end.
Mike Looney

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:50:22 -0400
From: RichD

Subject: Re: MPT Taps & DIES



Mike,
good to here that.
Can you say what sizes they are ordering?
Are they HSS (M2)relief ground? The english taps had no relief.
I sure would like to see a 5/16-40 MTP and 3/8-40 MTP added to the range.
RichD

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:06:33 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



Sorry for not having paid much attention to this subject but I seem to recollect that Roger Cooke was selling either waterjet or laser cut frames to the Allan mogul (or was it the Fitchburg Northern ).
Arno

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:20:58 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



Arno:
Roger Cooke was selling flame cut frames not Laser or Waterjet cut frames, and his price didn't match what his catalog stated either, he listed a frame for a Mogul for $400.00 in the catalog and then charge someone over $800.00 for the same frame.
Mike Looney

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:23:18 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: MPT Taps & DIES



RichD:
He told me the sizes but I really don't remember them right now but he did say something about a bigger size in the MPT, but don't remember what the sizes was, but give him a call and he will tell you, because he has all of the tap in stock now.
Mike Looney

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:28:49 -0700
From: Leon Risenhoover

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



if that's an indication of price I will have to continue using a bandsaw.
this is at this point a 4-8.... LOL as I am concentrating on the front engine I do have access to a plasma torch and a GMF 6 axis robot (at the local junior collage)but wanted a smoother cut

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:33:59 -0700
From: Leon Risenhoover

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



when I got the steel for the frames I kicked off the front half of a john deer tractor so I am not sure of the weight but would guess 175 lb per piece 1 front 1 rear BTW 36 bucks was the final cost, and cost is the bottom line

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:51:34 -0700
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Re: Covered passenger cars



Thanks Trevor!

Jim Hoback
Sonora, CA

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 23:17:30 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Taps and Dies



Leon:
I am not sure of what you are asking me here, but I do know what the cost of having a waterjet frame cut out is and that will be around $500.00, and if you want it grounded down to a smooth finish that will cost about another $100.00 to have it Blanchard ground, because if you do it that way you will have a very smooth finish to work with and you will also know that both sides of the frame will be the same thickness. The frame is about the most important part to get right and then the side rods, and the quartering of the Axles, the rest depend on those parts being right.
Mike Looney

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:34:00 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Re: Covered passenger cars



Trev,

If you get a moment would you mind sending to me before you return home. I am about to head east before you head west. Maybe run into you at VIME in September.

kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:58:24 +1000
From: Donald REID

Subject: CliShay Boiler



Hello all,

I want to know if a fire-tube boiler design has been published for Bob Maynard's gear and chain driven CliShay locomotive.

About ten years ago I communicated with Bob and obtained a set of his drawings and a copy of the construction series of articles from Live Steam magazine. At that time Bob explained that he was in the process of preparing two designs for fire-tube boilers for the CliShay but due to ill-health in his family did not know when he would get them finished.

Unfortunately I have since lost Bob's communication details but now want to make a start on building his CliShay and, in order to comply with the Australian miniature boiler code, must consider a fire-tube boiler rather than the water-tube boiler in Bob's published design.

Therefore, can anyone tell me whether a fire-tube boiler design has been published for the CliShay and, if so, how can I access it.

Cheers
DonR

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 06:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: harry boivin

Subject: looking for plans for any mudhen drawings



I'm looking for plans for a K-28 or K-36 or any mudhen drawings for 7.5 gauge (2-1/2 scale) can anyone help?

thanks
Harry

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:02:57 -0500
From: "Thomas"

Subject: Re: CliShay Boiler



Don, I am using the boiler that is illustrated in the Nov/Dec issue of Live Steam starting on page 39 at the lower right hand column of the page and continuing through page 51 (with a few modification) to build my CliShay. The 8" and 10" pipes have a 5/16 wall (schedule 40 pipe) and I am using 3/8 " flat stock for the flue sheets and the mud ring at the bottom of the firebox. I am welding it up using E7018 rod for the first pass on the flue sheets and then using my wire welder with ER70 S6 wire for the final pass to weld the flue sheet to the firebox, the top flue sheet to the boiler, and the mud ring into the bottom of the boiler. If you want to put staybolts around the firebox (which are not needed since all surfaces are round) you could use hot rolled rod of an adequate (at least 5/8") size or SA 675 or SA 36 if you really want to do it up grand. This is the staybolt material we have in the new boiler we had made for out 12" to the foot 2-8-0 steam locomotive we are rebuilding at the Monticello Railw

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:28:21 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: CliShay Boiler



For reference:
The set of MTP taps and dies I bought from Cole's (Martin Decker) are all marked "Apex UK" and are sizes "5/16-27 MTP", "1/4-40 MTP". "3/16-40 MTP". "5/32-48 MTP", "1/8-56 MTP". All are marked HSS for High Speed Steel also. Inspection under a magnifing glass gives the impression that they are all ground thread, rather than cut thread, tools.

The comment requesting 3/8-40 MPT and 5/16-40 MTP be added to the series may be difficult as the thread count is not in keeping wiht the original thread design series (four full form threads for engagement) but might be useful for threading thin wall tubing.

Adding to the series at the small end, say below 1/8 diameter for use on larger sizes of needle tubing, might also be useful these would need to be withy relativly fine thread counts to match the tubing wall thickness in these smaller sizes.

Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:58:05 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: looking for plans for any mudhen drawings



Have you checked The John Maxwell Collection? The link to the locomotives drawings index is:

http://www.colong.com/Categ-Loco.html

Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:57:40 -0400
From: Don and/or Wanda Orr

Subject: Re: INFO.....new line of MTP valves and fittings!



Bruce, Michael, etc....

Hang in there! In the next few weeks, LOCOPARTS will have available our own line of MTP valves and fittings in 3/16, 1/4 and 5/16!

don orr
www.locoparts.net

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:02:48 -0400
From: Michael Guy

Subject: 3" scale trucks?



This is from the Livesteamers mailing list, perhaps someone here can help Jeff?
Thanks,
Michael Guy
Toronto.

From: jsfrost@mtu.edu

Good Afternoon,
Does anyone know of someone or a company who makes 3" scale railroad trucks? Any idea of a ballpark price? Last Thursday, the lead truck on the last car broke on the train that runs at the Traverse City Clinch Park Zoo. The axle slid out of the roller bearing (the trucks were built sloppy so the axle could slide in the bearing) and wore right thru the aluminum truck casting. We have an extra, cheep truck that we are using now, but we need to replace the truck that broke with a better, more solid truck.
Thanks for any info,
Jeff

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:24:41 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: INFO.....new line of MTP valves and fittings!



Don,

Will you be offering MTP taps and dies?

Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, Texas

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:03:43 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: INFO.....new line of MTP valves and fittings!



Don,
you mean you _won't_ show them at TCME next weekend?
Tsk, tsk.

Cheers, Arno

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:29:45 -0400
From: Don and/or Wanda Orr

Subject: Re: INFO.....new line of MTP valves and fittings!



Bill, and all

I put out a question to the ggroup a few weeks ago regarding MTP taps and dies. At the time I planned to have them made and offer them to our folks. since that time I found out that Ron at AMES is having them made.......... there is no need for both of us to offer these to the hobby. Most of what all vendors do is at so loittle profit margin that I feel like: Why shoot yourself in the foot? So, no, I do not plan to do this as long as Ron is doing a good job of it............and based on my dealings with him, he will, and is, doing a good job.

However......valves and fittings....yes, I will be offering these soon.

don orr
www.locoparts.net

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:33:27 -0400
From: Don and/or Wanda Orr

Subject: Re: INFO.....new line of MTP valves and fittings!



Arno

Would love to come up but its a wee bit far for us right now.
Howsomeever (southern word), we do plan to come up for the Adirondack fall run in, I think, early sept..........can someone give me the exact date for this?

HOpe to see you there......its been a long time!

don

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:42:03 -0600
From: "David Johnson"

Subject: RE: looking for plans for any mudhen drawings



Ulin Locomotive Works has plans and castings for a K-27 2.5" Scale.
Richard Ulin
303-466-8241

David Johnson
www.ColoradoGandyDancer.com

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:11:09 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: INFO.....new line of MTP valves and fittings!



Would love to come up but its a wee bit far for us right now.
Howsomeever (southern word), we do plan to come up for the Adirondack fall run in, I think, early sept..........can someone give me the exact date for this?


Sept 9, 10, 11

HOpe to see you there......its been a long time!

We have Open House at Richmond Hill LS (Toronto) that weekend too.
(I was at the Spring meet, 'though.)

Arno

Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:20:41 EDT
From: Mikado8@aol.com

Subject: Re: INFO.....new line of MTP valves and fittings!



Don;

Will you also have tapered taps and dies?

Thanks,
Bill Cochrane
Beaver Creek Railway
Lockport, NY

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:15:51 +1000
From: Donald REID

Subject: Re: CliShay Boiler



Thanks, Tom,

I will look out for that copy of Live Steam

DonR

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:31:08 -0400
From: Don and/or Wanda Orr

Subject: Re: INFO.....new line of MTP valves and fittings!



Bill

No........Ron at AMES seems to be doing a good job of that. No need for both of us to lose money doing it..

don

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:40:57 EDT
From: VANCENICK@aol.com

Subject: Re: 3" scale trucks?



Jeff if you run ito a problem I can repair the truck if a replacement is not found.

Vance Nickerson

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:55:06 EDT
From: Mikado8@aol.com

Subject: Re: INFO.....new line of MTP valves and fittings!



Hi Arno;

I haven't seen Don since he was last here 4 or 5 years ago. I wish he would stop in with his goodies.

See you this weekend.

Bill C.
Beaver Creek Railway
TCME member

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:16:01 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: INFO.....new line of MTP valves and fittings!



Either you/we didn't buy enough to pay for an other trip or he just likes the others better than us! ;->)

I'll be coming on Saturday but I am not looking forward to crossing the border as with our Aug. 1st Civic holiday on Monday this is the second biggest exodus to the States for summer vacationers.
Arno

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:39:33 EDT
From: Mikado8@aol.com

Subject: Re: INFO.....new line of MTP valves and fittings!



Just for your info, there is a Civil War ( US ) at the Amherst Museum as well.
Bill
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:08:32 -0000
From: "Tim Edwards"
Subject: Hunslet style windows

Hi, does anyone know where I can get Hunslet Style windows from for my 7 1/4" gauge project. Prefferably a UK supplier.

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:34:30 -0000
From: "fred veenschoten"

Subject: Re: Hunslet style windows



i made my own by sawing out half rings from brass stock and milled tabs at each end that overlaped each other. these were then silver soldered to make a complete ring. this method uses much less stock.
fred v

Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:42:03 -0000
From: "Trevor Heath"

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



I visited the Weston Park Railway again today and asked about the covered passenger cars.

The Red and Blue set which were built for another railway called "Pangbourne". These cars, which are the reserve set and have more complete sides, there are three paving slabs under each seat.

The chocolate and cream set, with less side enclosure are used daily these have no weights under the seats and no history of tipping. They will hold three adults.

I have photo's of both.

There is a meet on Saturday with about a dozen loco's attending. In the evening there is an open air concert called a "prom". A WWII Spitfire will perform a flying display too.

TH

Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:42:09 -0000
From: "William Van Lenten"

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



Trevor, How about posting the pics you have in the photo section.
We all would like to see them.

Bill

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:01:26 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Coles



Well just got off of the phone to Coles, yes they take the orders in Nevada, but hey with computers who cares, also all but one item was in stock,a tri cock, and no they are not going out of business, most fittings are in stock, a little trouble with the 3/16 size due to casting problems. but soon should be ok. MPT dies and taps, there are two that are not in stock, will be soon as they have to come over the pond from where they are made. Remember with any of our suppliers they are small operators that sometimes do it as a sideline so we can be out here so they cant devote all of there time to us and all of them for the most part try to keep us happy and do a good job of it.The prices they charge are for small runs of parts as they dont sell tens of thousands of them like Ford or Chevvy do and a lot of the machine work isnt done in houese either due to the cost of the machines. Some people seem to have trouble with ever who they deal with so always take comments with a grain of salt as I was once told unti

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:36:25 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Coles



Boyd:
I was told the same thing on the phone, and I had to wait 3 month to get my order, and they are not a part time business they have a store in Calf. that id where all the stock is so why would you have someone in Nevada taking order, and how is he to know what is in stock or not, and how can he go and look to see if it is in stock or not? I was told all the same line of B/S that you were, and all I did was to pass on what happen and how many phone called I had to make before I ever got my order, and I was told time and again in on it way, and it today world it doesn't take 3 weeks to get an order from England, this is what you keep forgetting here they have a store and this is not a part time business not tell me why we should get such bad service from them? They are Liar and that all there is to it, and I will say it to there faces because they know that it is true, and I am not the only person that will tell you this about them.
Mike Looney

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:36:31 -0000
From: "Tim Edwards"

Subject: My next request



Im beginning to feel like this is a shop. The next part I need help with is getting some nameplates for my loco. They will have to be made from brass with a red background. Can anyone help me?

Thanks
Tim Edwards

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:54:24 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: My next request



Tim:
there is a company that list such thing in live steam magazine, and they will have whatever you need from sign for the side of the boiler to names for the engine. Mike Looney

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:54:54 EDT
From: CookRailRR@Aol.Com

Subject: Re: My next request



try Robert Dustin at lsdecAls@Aol.Com or ph/fax 617-527-2247

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:08:33 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Coles



I read your reply quite some time ago, what I was trying to say and have said and you dont seem to get it is not every one has problems like you do with suppliers, now lets see how it goes with me, I will let you know. Yes they remembered dealing with you too. So instead of running down those two suppliers on into the gathering sunset day after day after others did not always have the same problem you did lets railroad. Boyd.

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:27:49 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



While Googleing for something else today, I stumbled upon this:



although it does not seem to be on their web pages any longer.
Arno

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:31:43 -0400
From: Michael Guy

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



Arno, it looks like something Roll models tried out before the design matured!

Michael.

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:35:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Keeline

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



Perhaps you have already seen these as well:

http://www.rmirailworks.com/Trolleys.html

James

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:51:49 -0600
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Re: Covered passenger cars



Arno & Michael:

I was on Cannonball's web site the other day, looking fr something else, and I noticed that they listed plans for the Trolley. I didn't look that close, but I expect it uses their standard propulsion components, and all you have to build is the wooden body.

Best,
Mike Decker

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:48:16 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Coles



Boyd:
If they remember me then please tell me why they had to lie to me and others? I am not the only person who is having problem with them, so I won't defend them at all. This is why I went looking for other places to buy the same product without the hassle, and without them lying to me like they did.
This hobby has enough people doing business that we don't need anymore out there lying to us, and when they do I would like to know like most people on this group or other groups on here who to look out for, and who you can trust, and that is why I said something to the group and warned them about what they are now doing. Coles had a good name, and the new owner have run it into the ground, I didn't run them into the ground and I am not the one who did all the lying, but what I can't understand is why you would defend them after hearing all the facts, you are the only person that here defending them, when you should be warning other on who to watch out for.
There are already to many vendors out there that will lie to you in a heart beat we don't need anymore, and when one does I will report them to protect other from it happening to them, and please explain to me or anyone else what is wrong with that?
Mike Looney

Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:38:57 -0600
From: "David Johnson"

Subject: RE: My next request



Take a look at my website. I make bronze castings for builder plates etc.

David Johnson
www.ColoradoGandyDancer.com

Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:55:14 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: My next request



David:
I am thinking about getting the Sunbeam headlight that Railroad warehouse has and I will be needing the number to go onto the side of the headlight with the number and the lens to go with it do you do anything like that, you may need to go to his site and look at the headlight to see what I mean.
Mike Looney

Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 08:48:35 -0600
From: "David Johnson"

Subject: RE: My next request



Wouldn't you want to make the numbers translucent so the light would come through?

I am not set up to do that anything like thant, but thanks for checking.

David Johnson
www.ColoradoGandyDancer.com

Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:32:14 -0000
From: "Dave"

Subject: reference for laying track



Hi all, had a question on laying track. Is there a book for reference for laying track? I have recently moved to oklahoma and bought a small piece of property(just shy of 2 acres) and we are looking to put a 7.5" guage track in the backyard. It will probably be a simple loop crossing the creek twice meandering around the trees. I've never built or been involved with live steam, I have visited many of the clubs and a few private live steam railroads while I lived in California and pretty much got big by the bug, and now that we have a little room we (that would be both the wife and myself) are looking forward to getting started.

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dave and Becky Salamon

Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:31:30 -0500
From: cj.trainer@juno.com

Subject: Re: reference for laying track



The DVD set Riding Railway University has a very complete coverage in one place of what you seek. I really enjoyed my set. It's available at www.7plusrailroader.com or 530-527-0141
Charlton Jones

Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:49:42 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: My next request



David:
I was thinking about having the plate made with the number cut out and maybe putting a glass piece behind it and then your piece would bolt to the light and hold the glass in place.
Mike Looney

Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:40:31 -0700
From: "Michael Lavrich"

Subject: Re: reference for laying track



Dave,

One basic guide that comes to mind is ENGINEERING HANDBOOK FOR RECREATIONAL RAILROADERS once published by Railroad Supply Company, now reprinted and available for $12 plus S/H from www.7plusrailroader.com . They also have a set of DVDs of workshops from the 2003 Triennial at Train Mountain that has info on switch building and survey, along with locomotive and other topics. It is somewhat expensive but a wealth of information and experience shared.

On an entirely different tack, Peter Nunsky (1-215-355-3391) has for many years offered .835 Aluminum rail accurately scaled from prototype #115 rail, with scale tie plates and splice bars. At .65 /ft it is and inexpensive option and does not require a railbender above 30' radius. Wheel load #200 per axle. Call him for a flyer.

There are of course many ways to go about it, these are just a beginning.

Michael

Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:40:23 -0700
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: Coles



I just ordered some 4-40 hex head screws and got them by mail three days later. Coles is still OK in my book.

Peter Moseley

Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:45:23 -0600
From: "David Johnson"

Subject: RE: My next request



Send me a sketch to my email and I will have a look. Were you wanting it cut out with the plasma or a casting?

David Johnson
www.ColoradoGandyDancer.com

Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:04:53 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: Coles



Peter:
I am glad that you were able to get your order from them but I found that American Model Engineering Supply has better prices and better service when it come to scale model bolts, and they are nice people to do business with.
Mike Looney

Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:06:53 -0400
From: "Michael F. Looney"

Subject: Re: My next request



David:
I am not sure about that part of it I know that it would have to be a plate to hold the glass in place and also be able to bolt in place with some type of an edge around it to keep the glass from moving. Mike Looney