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7-Plus-NGM Digest August 2001

Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:00:46 -0000
From: minrail@hotmail.com

Subject: Commercial Break



The 13th Edition 2001 of Minor Railways is now available. This is a complete list (no photos) of all standard gauge, narrow gauge, miniature, cliff railways and tramways in the UK. The essential guide to tourist railways when visiting the UK.

Price inc post:UK £2.50, USA $6 (payment by PayPal)

http://www.miniature-railway-books.com/uk2shop-8.htm

Adrian Sant

Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:33:39 -0700
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Virii



People,
In case you got garbage attachments from me via e-mail please check your computer for virii. Hell to get rid of and it was backdoored to my home network via a dial up modem and freenet connection. I apologize to anyone who got the virus from me. I shut down the system as soon as I realized something was wrong but the s**t had hit the fan anyway. Again I'm sorry for whatever grief I've caused. This virus is the type that randomly mailed junk and attachments to people in my address book, if you are on a Mac and are not running a windows emulator then disregard this note.

Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:21:06 +1200
From: Robert S Logan

Subject: Re E i M vol 22 No 12



Hello All, Regards June 2001 copy of Engineering in Miniature, has anybody problems with duplicated and missing pages?
In New Zealand news agents this week.
Bob Logan
Northland New Zealand

Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:35:19 -0400
From: Robert Herronen

Subject: Goose Wheels



Howdy.

I ain't much of a machinist so I am not to sure about machining the fancy wheels of the RGS geese. I knew someone had these as castings that I'd only need to bore and turn the treads. Who sells these? I still have to make arrangements to purchase a mill and lathe for my home shop so I am not in much of a hurry. Besides, I have plenty of track and work to do on the #10 and gons.

Thanks.

Robert Herronen

Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:58:06 -0400
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: Goose Wheels



Hi Robert,
I'm not sure which goose your building but couldn't you just use spoked pilot truck wheels? I have seen quite a few pictures of the various geese and the later photos show a pressed steel wheel, similar to those found on railroad speeders, on the front trucks. These could be made of steel blanks with triangular windows cut in them for the spokes. The older photos show cast wheels with cast spokes. Especially on the rear axles.

Bruce Mowbray
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 15:37:00 -0400
From: Robert Herronen

Subject: Re: Goose Wheels



Hi Bruce,

Well... having much experience around the real birds, I can tell you this; The front wheels that supported the front of every motor was speeder wheels. Different motors used different wheels. The #2 used the stamped metal (triangular cut out) wheels, #6 used different wheel with circular holes and number 7 I believe had the triangular wheels too. (It's been a while since I seen the #7. I just sent an email to a friend of mine there asking about it.) All of these are Fairmount products I am pretty sure.They were smaller than the other wheels. And you got to figure that the RGS used salvaged parts to build these so I should be able to do the same...

The #2 and #6 had only the single rear truck (the power truck) which all the geese shared the same basic design. These wheels were cast with straight spokes. These could very likely match someone's spoked steam locomotive pilot truck. Guess I could get the measurements out and look for someone who might have something close. #1 had just the single axle (which is why she was not as successful as the later geese.)

The larger, articulated geese all have a triangular - curved spoke rear truck that appeared to be cast but then the spoked were flame-cut out of a solid wheel. It's beensome time since I really poked around with them so my memory id probably not the best.
I'll check out my Fn3 #7 when I get home.

So in short, they do have three different styles of wheels. For my plans (since I am such a slow poke) I'll probably start out with the #6 since it is a smaller unit with fewer wheels. If that works, I'll be able to get on with the #7 and then work my way back to #2. The #3, 4 and 5 would be nearly identical with only a few body differences visible. I'm going to load the box bodies with the batteries and motors and probably detail the cabs with an interior. At least, I want to do the #7 since she was my pet for a while. :-)

The motorman will have to ride behind, allowing the geese to be scale representatives of the real critters.

Thanks for the idea about the spoked pilot wheels. I guess I better sign up for some metal working classes to get better at making metal parts such as these. I am using these as training for larger, more involved projects like a steam engine.

Ya' all have a good day now ya' hear! :-)

-Rob Herronen

Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:52:59 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: What Happened?



Cam Brown here. I was under the erather for much of July and sometime during that month I must have been cast out of the 7-plus loop as there has been NO MAIL! I am still getting stuff from slimrails but certainly not the volume as before to keep me entertained in retirement. Tried going to yahoo group registration but don't think anyone is listening.

Anyone in the group who has my e-mail address write me direct with advise on how to climb back on boarCam

Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:04:02 -0400
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: What Happened?



Cam,

The last email I received was from 7/27/01.

Stan Z.

Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:46:13 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: What Happened?



Stan

Last thing I received on the 7-plus yahoo site was yours of 7/25/01.

Has the site gone down? Hubert missed a memo? Didn't put a quarter in the meter?

I'm copying my pal Calvin on this. He knows most everything.Even on what might have happened to 7-plus.

Cam Brown

Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:44:04 -0700
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: What Happened?



On 8-8-01 there was a posting by Robert Herronen regarding "Goose Wheels". Although fairly quiet, as are the other lists, there are still a few postings on the 7+ list.

Regards,

Jim
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:05:40 -0000
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: What Happened?



Hi Cam,

nothing wrong with the 7-plus-ngm-list.

O.K., actually it's a little bit quiet, but that's not unusual.

I just checked, and you are still registered at the member-roster.

If you want to check the missing messages without to log in at yahoo-groups, check out our archive-pages:

http://www.7-plus-ngm.org/arch0701.htm
http://www.7-plus-ngm.org/arch0801.htm

Greetings from you moderator

Hubert The Goose

Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:28:27 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: What Happened?



Thanks, Herb (what breed of Goose are you/) for checking me out on the 7+ list.

Cam Brown

Date: 13 Aug 2001 04:32:29 -0000
From: <7-plus-NGM@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM



Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the 7-plus-NGM group.

New body and Loco, out in the sunshine for the first time.

Another view of the new loco...


and another view


still another view


And a drivers eye view. Yes, it needs paint!


Regards,

grant.a@clear.net.nz

Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:28:20 -0000
From: smallhand27@yahoo.com

Subject: (unknown)



Nice photo, any chance of seeing a side view to get a better view of those interesting trucks? And a few specs?

R. Hill

Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:40:37 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: What Happened?



Hi Cam,

Thanks, Herb (what breed of Goose are you/) for checking me out on the 7+ list.

First, my name is Hube(rt) not Herb.
Second, nothing to thank, that's my job as moderator.
Third, regarding the breed of Goose, I'm one of that Geeses with railroadwheels and outside-chain-drive from the Rio Grande Southern.

Hubert

Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:33:25 +1200
From: "Grant and Donna Alexander"

Subject: New Loco at Squirrel Valley



R. Hill (and others)

If you are referring to the picture of my "under-construction" loco, there is a whole range of pictures including details of the bogies in our 7-plus-NGM website in the files section under my little area titled "Squirrel Valley, New Zealand", then in a sub file called "New Electric loco..."

I'll see if I can get a link here for you...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7-plus-NGM/files/Squirrel%20Valley%2C%20New%20Zealand/New%20Electric%20Loco%20for%20SqV/

Hmmm, you'll probably have to copy and paste the entire line above into your web browser to see the files.
Good luck.

Grant and Donna Alexander
C/- Squirrel Valley Railway

Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:45:50 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: What Happened?



Hey I got most of the letters correct.

Re RGS breed of Goose, I should get my Latin Major-way-back-when wife working on a proper family/genus/species definition of this very special bird..

Cam Brown

Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:28:01 -0000
From: gary.marilyn@xtra.co.nz

Subject: melting iron



hey there,
Is anyone using a cupola furnace at home to melt iron? or making coke? Seems to be (from what I,ve read) a fairly failsafe process. Any comments from users would be appreciated.

Gary Ralfe

Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:55:29 EDT
From: DBauer2250@aol.com

Subject: Re: melting iron



Hi Gary and others on the list. Have you checked out the Home Foundrymen's Website . Lots of good info on casting. I would like to try a cupola one of these days, when I get a round "tuit"
Don Bauer

Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:09:08 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: melting iron



Without trying to find articles on home foundry practiced, there have been much writen on the subject in the hobby magazines. There were a couple outfits out there that would sell you equipment.

Read up on the theology of patternmaking and foundry (and safety!) before making the leap. I bought a couple of books, read up on the art, then never took the leap.

Cam Brown

Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:08:48 -0700
From: "Rudolph P. van Wingen"

Subject: Re: What Happened?



Hobbes -

By now you have probably quit chewing on your tail and are happy again, as there have been numerous postings since you wrote this.

COMO ROUNDHOUSE PRODUCTS has been on a 4300 mile "jaunt" through Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Eastern Washington and Oregon...was really busy setting all those fires!

Had a great live steam run at Van Austin's "Hill & Dale" layout and got a chance to ride the restored portion on the Sumpter Valley line.

Exhausted now and playing "KETCHUP".

Calvin

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:27:41 +0200
From: "Craig Gibson"

Subject: C-16 Drawings



Hi all

I just stumbled across the site while searching for C-16 photos and I think I have found the nice crowd who may be able to answer my questions :-)

I am looking at building a 5" (horrors) B&SR #7 (Lucky 7 if you please) but have to admit that the C-16 / 19 locos also draw my attention. I have a full set of plans for the #7 but was wondering what exists for the C-16. Castings will have to be made locally, but I have made patterns before so thats not a big deal.

Do plans / CAD files exist or does everyone simply work off a general arrangment drawing?

Kind Regards
Craig Gibson

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:53:16 -0400
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings

Craige,
Contact Don Orr of LocoParts.
He is building a C-16 (or C-19?) as well and he has plans. Not for sale but I'm sure he can tell you where he got them. Also, Bob Holder of Rogers Cook Locomotive Works in Parsippany, NJ has cstings for these locomotives. No website 973-887-0084

Bruce Mowbray
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:15:47 -0400
From: locopart

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings



Bruce

Correection: The C-19 is for sale. I have decided to put it in the hands of someone who has the time to finish it.

BTW...will I see you at Waushakum? I'll have a chair for you if you aree there.

Don Orr, Suffolk, Va
LocoParts
757-255-2815
FAX 757-255-7350
1-1/2", 2-1/2" and 3-3/4" scale steam locomotive accessories, gas burners, tender kits, and Allen parts

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:24:54 -0400
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings



Don,
Isn't it funny how we always take on way more than we have time to finish?
I thought you might at least be able to tell Craige where to get prints and castings.
I will not be going to Waushakum this year. I am building a new locomotive entirely from bar stock and mostly machined on my CNC right now and time is short (you know how that is) I would like to have it done by the time your fall meet comes around. That may even be the second time I run it. First time will be here at my shop.

By the way, how are you going to run your loco at the Waushakum track?
It's a 7 1/4" gauge track!!!

Bruce Mowbray
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:15:19 EDT
From: DFWSVW@aol.com

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings



Craig,
Please don't give up on the Maxi Lucy 7 too soon. I built a Mini Lucky 7 and was fortunate to have been able to communicate with Don Young for many years prior to his passing. My Mini Lucky 7 is one of the smoothest running locomotives I have run. However it is too small. Reason, the original little two foot locomotive was small in full size, so in 1 1/2" scale it is smaller still.

The Maxi does have it faults though. Do talk with those who have built one and see how they overcame the long span and how they separated the attached tender from the main frame so that the locomotive would track around decent radius tracks.

The project will be a big one though. There are lots of parts on the Lucky 7 but when done it will be beautiful.

Doug from Seattle

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:02:31 -0400
From: locopart

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings



Bruce

Look forward to having you come back to our track! Is your bride coming with you as planned?

We are going to Waushakum as vendors not to run. Have to show off the new tender kit. This will be our first time there.

Don Orr, Suffolk, Va LocoParts
757-255-2815
FAX 757-255-7350
1-1/2", 2-1/2" and 3-3/4" scale steam locomotive accessories, gas burners, tender kits, and Allen parts

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:20:32 -0400
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings



Don,
So that seat you offerd is not attached to the tender of your fine running Mogul??? Yes, Tara will be with me this time at your track...so far as I know anyway.

Bruce Mowbray
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:09:37 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Fw: [PRR] Lost locomotive will it be found?



----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:58 AM
From:
To:
Subject: [PRR] Lost locomotive will it be found?

Where oh where can this engine be? Hello everyone, I was asked by NS officials today to help track down a lost locomotive. I guess they figured me being a railfan and knowing others we could help out. The unit is 3618 a GE 36-7. It was last reported past the Sewickley scanner on July 29th dead in consist, and going to Conway for 90 day maintence. This is the last record of this unit. Please pass this on to anyone you know and please email me if you see this unit in your jaunts. The folks at NS and Conway Diesel sure would appreciate it.
Thanks to all and Take Care.

Rich Orr

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:32:44 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: C-16 Drawings



Don,

I don't think Russell Steeves is monitoring this list, so be sure to eMail him so that he has his Fichburg Northern out with your display of the tender kit next to it.

Arno

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:45:53 -0400
From: locopart

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings



Thanks for the suggestion, Arno.

don

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:46:19 -0000
From: minrail@hotmail.com

Subject: Virus Warning coming from Train Mountain & Others



Beware new virus. Message reads as follows with file attatched. DO NOT OPEN FILE.

"Hi! How are you?

I send you this file in order to have your advice

See you later. Thanks"

I have received this twice now, once from Quentin at Train Mountain and once, in Spanish from a Spanish car hire company. If you get it, delete immediately.

Adrian Sant

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:00:31 EDT
From: davidh8602@aol.com

Subject: C-19`



Group;

Do I understand correctly that someone has a C-19 for sale?

Is more information available.

Thanks

David Hannah, III

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:29:35 -0700
From: "Ron Koehler"

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings



Hi,

If I understand you correctly, you have a c-19 for sale. How far along is it? What is the asking price?

Ron

Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:25:03 -0400
From: locopart

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings



C-19 under construction for sale

Since there have been several on-line requests for info on the C-19 I have had under construction for too many years, will answer the questions here.

My reason for selling this is that due to the requirements of keeping up production of Locoparts I have no time to work on this engine in the forseeable future. I would like to see it finished by someone. Maybe it can be you.

This C-19 started life as a Milner engine using their plans. Frames were made by roger's Cooke for that engine. Before I got any further work done on the frames I discovered Conway. Frames have been modified by weldments and machining as much as is possible to get it to scale dimensions and configuration.
About the only thing that is off is the wheel spacing of 1 axle, I think...its been a while since I drew it up and made the changes.

So: Frames are finished, brake rigging completed, axles and wheels finished, but wheels not locktited on yet. Suspension links and other suspension parts have been completed, but not the springs. Lead truck is completed. Saddle has been machined for a smokebox of boiler tube(included), but also have a Conway cast smokebox. If you use this, you will have to open up the saddle a wee bit. Eccentrics and straps are finished(to withing .0005 tolerance of each other...an important factor w/ Stevenson gear). Drive pins are finished ready to be locktited in.

All engine castings are on-hand, plus cylinder sleeves and piston rings, dome castings, bell castings, massive bronze stack casting(from the late Pat Allen), CI smokebox cover, etc..... I don't think there is anything that is left to be required to finish the engine other than raw materials, including, but not limited to, shafts, decking, rods, clading, etc.

All drawings, sketches, etc. both Milner(almost useless) and Conway, plus a lot of photos of the 3 remaining prototypes.

Tender: Tender tank is a COMO C-19 kit, similar to the kits I manufacture, but not as complete and more difficult to build due to the scale close-spaced rivets...but it is a true-scale C-19 tender. Tender trucks are COnway...truck bolsters are complete(these are scale and a project in themselves) as are the wheel/axle sets. Archbar frames have yet to be made. Tender frame has not been designed or built.

Boiler: fabricated by Capital blr works in DC. This is a true-form C-19 boiler in that the water legs are curved coming out of the shell, not straight sections.

So far I have invested:

Chassis, castings, frames, liners, rings, etc about $3000
Tender kit, with shipping over $1100
Tender truck parts Approx $500
Boiler $3500
( a new boiler today would run close to $5000)
2 sets of Conway freight trucks...complete, RTR Castings cost $500 per set, plus shipping $1100


If I do say so myself, the workmanship is excellent on all parts.
Prefer a pick-up deal so buyer can see what he/she is getting.

I will take $8000 CASH for the lot, FOB my shop, Suffolk, Va. Lot to be sold as a package only.

Optional: I have 2 simplex pump KITS, westinghouse, 11", made by Power models. Heads have been machined, and I have an etched mfr plate (copy from the original)for each. These pumps were to go on this engine. If you wish to buy these also, they are $800 cash for the pair....this is what they cost me.

NO STEAM FITTINGS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS OFFERING. Buy them from Locoparts.

Our annual fall run is 04 Nov if you wish to come see it then, if it is still available. Otherwise, you may come 'bout any time we're here.

If you wish to discuss further, give me a call.

Don Orr, Suffolk,
Va LocoParts
757-255-2815
FAX 757-255-7350
1-1/2", 2-1/2" and 3-3/4" scale steam locomotive accessories, gas burners, tender kits, and Allen parts

Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:27:11 -0700
From: "Boyd Butler"

Subject: Re: Digest Number 376



Virus warnings, I have gotten a message from Quinetn himself and saw the attached message to it, there also is a Christmas 2000 news letter that has my email address attached to it, never have opened it and know it contains a virus as have had people that I do not know email me telling me not to send them the virus. Also am having mail that is returned sender unknown that I never sent cannot figure how my email address generates it but think that if it were replied to it would also have a virus attached to it, has anyone else had the returned email problem? if so how do I get rid of ever what is causing it?,
thanks Boyd Butler

Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:04:58 -0700
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Digest Number 376



Boyd,

Use your browser to look for W32.Sircam.Worm@mm. There will be directions on how to check to see if you have the worm, and how to get rid of the worm. Takes a little time but it works. I got mail from Quenton too but already knew about it from about 3 weeks ago when I got the worm. The past few days I have received about 8 mails from various addresses that all had the worm attached. Nasty thing.

These returned mails you are getting indicates to me that you have the Sircam worm.

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:14:18 -0400
From: locopart

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings

Ron

Did I answer you about the C-19? HAve been busy and lost rtack of who got answered. If I did not, let me know and I'll send you the info off-line.

Don Orr, Suffolk, Va
LocoParts
757-255-2815
FAX 757-255-7350
1-1/2", 2-1/2" and 3-3/4" scale steam locomotive accessories, gas burners, tender kits, and Allen parts

Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 05:39:28 -0000
From: "Frolin Marek"

Subject: Re: Virus Warning coming from Train Mountain & Others



Adrian,

Just to support your message... got the same email from Quinteen, it had attached a Word DOC file about a 5ft flat car, and options for buying the kit from TM.

...and the Sircam32 virus. Coming from the TM man, I was interested, silly me, opened and POW got bit. Not pointing finger, he just got it first. Next thing without knowing, it sent emails to at least 3 people from me, pulling one of my personal WORD files (fortunately nothing important).

So this is NOT a hoax... got second email, same text, different DOC file from someone else a day later (deleted it).

Frolin

Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:42:50 -0000
From: jonyhotdog@worldnet.att.net

Subject: case hardening ?



hello

Can anyone tell me advantages to case hardening versus full hardening. im doing the valve gear on my Fitchburg-Northern and I'm at that point (of hardening) on the valve gear parts.

Thanks

Terry

Date: 21 Aug 2001 20:52:37 -0000
From: <7-plus-NGM@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM



Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the 7-plus-NGM group.


NZR Dsa with train and passengers

Heading up the cutting towards Lakeside


Passing through the "native" area at the lowest point on the line


The Tram entering Lakeside, not many passengers this trip


The Tram at the bottom of the line and about to pass the "golden" spike


Regards,

grant.a@clear.net.nz

Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:03:39 -0400
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: case hardening ?



Terry,
Since nobody answered this one yet I will tell you of my experiences. I have tried to use Kasinet (case hardening compound) and found it to be a little less than satisfactory. Perhaps I didn't use it properly but I found the surface that was case hardened to be a little on the rough side even after polishing. It seems the surface became pitted and to get the pits out I would have had to polish the diameter (round part that I was hardening) to below my allowable tolerance.
In the past, I have always used oil or water hardening tool steel to make valve gear parts. The water hardening steel gets good and hard and the finish remains nice even after quenching. It is important to temper the hardness down a little so that the parts aren't too brittle. I draw them down to a straw or blue color and haven't had any problems. On my locomotive crank pins, I harden only the end that sticks out ot the wheel. I do this by quickly bringing the end on which the rod runs up to quenching temperature and before the whole pin gets up to temperature. I immediatly quench the pin. This gives me a nice hard outer surface yet allows the inner and the core portions of the pin to remain soft and tough. I did a test in a bench vice with a big hammer (you get the idea) to see how well this idea would work. Even with bending the softer wheel end of the pin, the outer end did not break off. Plenty strong for crank pins.
When making my expansion link and block. I made a fixture to hold the expansion link from moving around when heating. This consisted of a bridge that took the place of the pivot block. This kept the slot in the expansion link from getting smaller or bigger with the heating/quenching process.

Good luck with your Fitchburg Northern!!

Bruce Mowbray
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:26:30 -0000
From: dlarrick@kbd-technic.com

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings



Craig,

In about 1997, I ordered a set of 1881 Class 60 C-16 prints from Truson Buegel in California. I don't know if he is still selling them or not, and I don't have his address any more though it sticks in my mind that someone found him by doing a search for his name on the internet. They cost about $65 at the time and it took nearly a year to get them, but it was worth the wait. The set included a 1.5" scale layout drawing four feet long, three sheets of details at 3" scale, and an inch and a quarter high stack of 11" x 17" detail sheets, many of which were of rebuilds of the engine through the years. The large scale drawings were original Baldwin. Readability was questionable on many, but by using the dimensions that were readable, I could scale the rest and come up with accurate drawings for my own engine on AutoCAD, which I then used to have parts laser cut from plate.
Hope this helps.
--Denis Larrick

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:05:41 -0000
From: dmmcomo@socal.rr.com

Subject: Re: case hardening ?



Terry -

The primary reason for using case hardening is economy and brittleness.

As Bruce Mowbray metions, it is not good to use pins and other parts that are hardened through in applications where they are subjected to bending or torquing stresses, as they may snap.

Case hardening allows you to harden the surface to a specific depth and leaves the core soft; also it allows you to use low carbon steel which is easier to machine and costs much less than tool steel (although the amounts we normally use in the hobby make this a moot point). You may use CRS or HRS and get an excellent part.

Remember that hardening one part and having it work agains an unhardened part is a waste of effort. In the case of valve links, the pin must work in a hardened bushing. I have used Kasenite® to good advantage without the problems that Bruce mentions. I polish the parts before treatment and between each treatment. Usually one treatment is enough for small pins and bushings.

If you are concerned with "doing it yourself", your local heat treater can probably do it for you but will charge you a minimum of $35 to $50 per batch. All the parts that could concievably be hardened on your locomotive would not begin to fill a minimum order. You can take the parts to the heat treater and tell him what they are for and explain that you are a hobbyist and not in a hurry. I have had some heat treaters do a batch for as little as $10 cash with no certification if I am willing to wait for him to run them with some other customer's parts.

There is an alternative treatment for the valve gear link and block. You may machine them out of HRS (don't use CRS; too much internal stress). Then send them to CRP and I will get them coated with a teflon based dry lubricant that also case hardens the parts in the process. This is not a cheap process as again there is a minimum but it should be less than $200.

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:26:40 -0000
From: billsand@nfx.net

Subject: Re: melting iron



Gary, new here, but not new by any standards! I have been melting iron 25-28# at a time in a home built "McEnglevan" style propane gas furnace in graphite crucibles. Usually takes a bit over an hour to melt the prettiest and deadliest melt you ever saw. I use old hydronic system boilers and radiators with a charcoal carbon additive and a commercial flux just before the pour. I was pleasently surprised how easy it turned out to be but with added safety measures and apparatus - cobalt blue safety glasses etc. This furnace will melt 15 lbs of aluminum in about 15 minutes - so you better be ready! I have some coke that I purchased years ago but went for the gas for cleanness and ease over a cupola but miss the ability to pour a large casting (haven't needed a very large casting for my locomotive yet, 25-28 lbs has done most everything without the 'production' approach). Just kickin' in a bit of info there...good day.
Bill C.

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:12:20 -0000
From: billsand@nfx.net

Subject: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Hello,

Anyone persuing the 1' 10 1/2" gauge (full sized) locomotive? Seems to fit the narrow gauge 7+ criteria.

Bill C.

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:23:05 -0500
From: "Mike Eorgoff"

Subject: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Where did you find whatever this is?
Mike Eorgoff
near Chicago

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:36:18 -0000
From: billsand@nfx.net

Subject: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Mike near Chicago,

The builders photo of this locomotive was in "The Locomotives That Baldwin Built" book. I eyed it for quite a while before deciding to make-up drawings for a 7.25 gauge engine. I bought a photo from H.L.Broadbelt before he sold all of the Baldwin builders photos to the PA Railroad Museum.

The loco was built for the Dominican Republic Railroad in the 20's, it's an outside frame mogul with Stevenson Gear - BUT on the modern side. Those were wood burners, so had a cabbage stack but other versions were built for coal and oil. Pretty little machine!

Bill C. (Feet Wet East Coaster) where everything rusts over night!

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:41:20 -0000
From: billsand@nfx.net

Subject: I just joined the group...



Hello all,

I'm happy to find this group. I was directed here by Rudy van Wingen with whom I was seeking parts suppliers for this endeavor. Time is too precious anymore to anguish over a pattern for making castings unless they absolutely cannot be purchased. I've been at this for quite a while but kept being 'side tracked' from actual construction with stuff like setting up to do castings (built the furnace and flasks, a muller, mixing the sand, TOO MUCH!) I desire to finally settle back with the machine work and construction ( Yea, right!)

Thanks, Bill C.

Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:52:30 EDT
From: GMEYER6103@AOL.Com

Subject: Re: Re: C-16 Drawings



The address that I have for Truson V. Buegel is as follows.
Truson V. Enterprises, P. O. Box 624, Downey, California, 90241
I don't know if he is still in business, as it has been a long time since I have ordered drawings from him...... Gary Meyer

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:24:37 EDT
From: GMEYER6103@AOL.Com

Subject: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



In the book titled "The LOCOMOTIVES that BALDWIN built" there is a picture of an outside frame 2-6-0 named "FIUME" that is said to have been 1 foot, 10 1/2 inches gauge. The locomotive was built for the Dominican Republic and had a "cabbage stack." The cylinders were 8 in. X 14 in., the drivers were 30 inches in diameter, the boiler diameter was 26 inches, and the total engine weight was 28,000 Lbs.
The 1 foot 10 1/2 gauge (22 1/2 inches) divided by 3 = 7 1/2 inch gauge or 1/3 scale.
Gary Meyer

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:24:37 -0000
From: billsand@nfx.net

Subject: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Thanks Gary Mayer, I appreciate the super info; since it seems that I'm getting no replys, you must have been writing that to me. The engine that I'm constructing was named "Verona" - slightly different from "Fiume". Also, appreciate the welcome to the click, sorry to infringe.....

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:08:26 EDT
From: GMEYER6103@AOL.Com

Subject: Re: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



No problem Bill! I am glad to hear from you. Back in the middle 1960s when I bought the Baldwin book, that picture of the little outside framed 2-6-0 of 22 1/2 inch gauge was one of the reasons that I bought the book. When I saw what the gauge was, I immediately thought that it would be a great model for a 4 inch scale live steam locomotive. Lets see, it would have 2.66 X 4.66 cylinders, 10 inch diameter drivers, and a 8.66 diameter boiler. I looked for a listing of that locomotive in the DeGolyer Library catalogue, but didn't find any thing that sounded like it. Sounds like you know a lot more than me about it. Tell me what you know. You imply that there were at least two of them. Have you found drawings for them? I am looking forward to hearing from you again. That little 2 foot gauge 0-4-2 on the next page of the book isn't to shabby either.........
Gary Meyer, in Long Beach, California

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:48:11 -0400
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: I just joined the group...



Welcome Bill,
Now that you have all of the stuff you need to make castings and such, what exactly are you building? Do tell!

Bruce Mowbray
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:00:36 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Bill C. -

Where you at? In the UK, SA where one expects the almost = to (Maine) two footers? O have not commiyrf Baldwin designations to memury so U wouldn't recognize a 8-10-D if one fwll on my foot.

Another couple of commemnts that I've wanted to add re 3 &3/4" (did the chap who brought this up really mean 5" scale when talking of Maxi #7?) my last abortive effort at a 2' steamer yielded a couple of things thst may be helpful in contacts with LSwes who have been down this road. Forgive mispelled names or vaugness that will follow.

1. Dave Rohmer out CA way did a beautiful Portland 0-4-4T Forney and a string of SR&RL gons plus caboose. This engine, baring the tiny Hinkley engines their ancestors, are about as small a prototype to be found.They still had quite a long rigidwheelbase. I remember Dave telling me that after wearing out two sets of driver flanges, he "Masonized" this engine. Is Dave with RMI now working on their NG offerings? This is rumor I picked up somewhere.


2.I had a video of a Maxi #7 built up Toronto way ( builders name escapes me) and iloaned the video to an ALS member who up and died and the tape, and another of a SA Maxi #7 got lost. Again this was a BIG loco with an even longer ridged wheelbase as a later Baldwin 2-4-4T. Great running loco - on the straightaway as many at the first home club thought it was wearin out the railroad with that long wheelbase. Heard that she is now in the Kalamazoo, MI area. Any comments from folks up that way?


3. The other video lost was from a chat in South Africa who got about the long wheelbase problem by making #7's tank a "bobber" tender. Didn't look too bad but , since I had helped Everett Brown (no relation)screw her together for the last hurrah on the B&H on June/July '41, she is my all time favorite locomotive and my purist blood boiled a bit. Purist blood has UK genes : still #7 in bright Brit livery (paint job for the uninitiated) and a brass steam dome cover was a bit hard to swallow. .


4. Trolling for information now. Second all time favorite is #24 of the SR&RL a 2-6-2 with great proportions that screans BALDWIN ! There are a few out ther and I want to inventory the ones built or under costruction. The pix I've seen show great mass and there must be workable construction tips that should be known to all who undertake such a project. Ben Snyder . down in Ft, Myer. FL who did a lot of work on the running gear and other bits and pieces, describes this nascent model steamer as "a real bridge buster",Any comments? What completed weight with water? Axle loading? Roadbed depretiation? Need "west coast" heavier Al rail sedtion to survive?


Gotta go and fiz a dripping faucet.

Cam Brown, TFF

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:06:27 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Shoujd have made one other comment. 1' 10 3/8" gauge, or the somewhat larger 2' gauge certainly falls wothin the elastic lomits of 7+, such sentiments I've been [ressing upon 7+ Railroader Editor. Bob Williams'

Note to Bob: As of yesterday and more expensive, non tokk free calls to HJ Tech service. this computer appears to be working again, Snai mailind the gobblygook copt.

Cam

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:12:38 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



My wife would have red lined click and penciled in clique.

Tough to endure perfection.

CB

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:33:48 -0700
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Cam,

Yes, Dave Rohrer is building the Sweet Creeks (2-6-0s) for Roll Models.

Also, see http://members.home.net/melcaswell for Lucky 7 photos.

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:51:54 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



That was Jim Small of/@ Richmond Hill LS (Toronto).
Jimmy did not run his Lucky 7 long enough to find out if there would be problems with the wheel base.
The problem we had, at the time, was that it was perceived that the bridge was not strong enough to have the loco cross until we reinforced it.

Jim then took his engine up to Michigan to the Battle Creek area.
I have the URL on the HDD of the laptop, and I cannot boot up.
One of these days I shall try to find my bookmarks via DOS and try to copy them to a floppy.
Arno

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:51:41 -0400
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Cam,

will you help a guy suffering from ESL, is this refering to cklicking, like a key on the keyboard, or clique, like we livesteamers?
Arno

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:46:25 -0000
From: billsand@nfx.net

Subject: Baldwin narrow gauge mogul



Answering a question: I have a chassis (not rolling quite yet), boiler of steel/copper, and many rough castings and patterns for bearing brackets, valve gear bearing brackets, etc. Smoke box and cabbage stack are the show and tell items (all rivits and painted). Working on the patterns for the cylinder, steam chest, and core boxes for same. Have cast wheels but have not machined them, need to cast fly cranks. ( I'm eyeing some of the castings for Sweet Creek!) I still have a lot to do and here I sit clicking (or is it cliquing?).

I'm at Seaford, Virginia - very near Newport News. This locomotive is in a backyard shop with the machinery and mess. Like I said; I'm pushing this locomotive to the head of the projects out there!

Bill C.

Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:57:28 -0000
From: billsand@nfx.net

Subject: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Baldwin built 8 or so of these engines for the Dominican Republic in the early 1900's. There are a few configurations but basically alike in construction. The Pennsylvania Railroad Museum at Strasburg has the Baldwin builders photos and some blueprints for the engine (I found that out after spending hours trying to scale from a photograph). I need to spend a few days at the museum to get copies of all of the blueprints.

Thanks, Bill C.

Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:51:45 EDT
From: GMEYER6103@AOL.Com

Subject: Re: Baldwin narrow gauge mogul



Thanks for the information on the 22 1/2 inch gauge mogul, Bill. I would like to know what your source of drawings is so that I can obtain a set......
Gary Meyer

Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:56:44 EDT
From: GMEYER6103@AOL.Com

Subject: Re: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Thanks for the additional information Bill, disregard my previous question.
Gary Meyer

Date: 25 Aug 2001 11:53:03 -0000
From: <7-plus-NGM@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM



Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the 7-plus-NGM group.


Description : Baldwin Narrow Gauge Mogul


Regards,

billsand@nfx.net

Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:50:39 +1200
From: "Gary & Marilyn Ralfe"

Subject: Re: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM



Bill, oh pleeeese file a front view!!!!! awesome design more....more......more

Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 06:39:41 -0000
From: "Curtis S. Ferrington"

Subject: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Verona
2-6-0
Outside Frame
2.667 x 3.667 Cylinders
10" Drivers

---

Roll Models Inc.
Sweet Creek
2-6-0
Outside Frame
3" x 4" Cylinders
9.5" Drivers

If you're intrested in adapting some Sweek Creek stuff to your design just let me know and I'll feed you knowledge.
:-)

The Verona is definatly a better balanced looking engine.

Curtis F.

Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 03:45:57 EDT
From: GMEYER6103@AOL.Com

Subject: Re: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Curtis, my Roll Models Inc. catalogue says on page # 45 that "Sweet Creek" has 10 inch diameter drivers. Some of their other steam engines have 9.5 inch drivers listed. The catalogue also says that the boiler on the "Sweet Creek" is 10 inches in diameter which is larger than the boiler on the locomotive named "Fiume" which is said to have had an 26 inch diameter boiler that I believe scales down to 8.667 inches. I don't know the specifications for "Verona" but they may be similar. This is an interesting idea, perhaps Roll Models would be interested in this.
Gary Meyer

Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 08:14:40 -0000
From: "Curtis S. Ferrington"

Subject: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Gary,

The Sweet Creek uses 9.5" Dia Drivers made from a 10" dia. castings.

Also the cylinders are cast, but the Cylinder Saddle is a fabricated weldment of laser cut pieces. Easily redesigned for a 8.625" OD piece of pipe.

One could use the wheel sets, journal boxes and cylinders for the "FIUME", which is the name I meant to say in my last post. :-/

Like I said, if you want any technical information (journal box size, etc...) or some 3D CAD images of any Sweet Creek parts, then just E-mail me off list. I'll be more than happy to help.

I can also say that Paul (Garin) of RMI would be VERY interested in your work on the "Fiume".

Curtis F.

Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:16:35 -0000
From: "Bill Clemens"

Subject: Re: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM



I HAVE TRIED THREE TIMES TO REPLY, THE WARNING HAS TAKEN MY REPLY OUT FOR THE LAST TIME!!
The drawing and a few more are all that I have done - I have been working on this project for about 16 years now alone. I now have professional cad software that the drawings that I have can be scanned into. My shop is almost complete - increasing size, and I have a Jet GH-1440W on the way from Washington. I'm ready!
Roll Model castings look good but individual photos seem to be rare, I'd like to keep this engine in character. It doesn't take much to make an engine look like a freelance - I desire as close to the Baldwin as possible and I have the ability to make my own castings.
I'm surprised about the interest in this engine, I thought I was out on a limb! The narrow gauge concept has excited me for a long time , the ability to sit IN the tender and operate the engine IN the cab!
GREAT!
I'll be happy to pass on any information that I can, I realize that most of you folks are 'old hats' at this loco construction but I have much thought in this engine!
Thanks, Bill C.

Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:58:11 -0000
From: "Bill Clemens"

Subject: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Curtis, I scaled this engine to run on 7.25 gauge so the scale for mine is 3.1" to the foot or .3225 full size. The cylinders were arrived at 2.580" X 4.515" (2 1/2 X 4 1/2). The Roll Model cylinders don't make the stroke without modification - same goes for the flycranks. I'll have to cast my own; already have part of the cylinder pattern made. I stopped on the frames to procure the blueprints and see how close my scaling is. I'd like it right.
Bill C.

Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:37:03 -0700
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM



Gary,

See http://www.rmirailworks.com/Sweet_Creek_1.html which other than the cabbage stack is VERY similar to Verona. Sweet Creek is a Keith Watson design now being produced by Roll Models Inc. of Fresno, CA in 7-1/2" gauge.

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:51:33 -0000
From: "Bill Clemens"

Subject: Re: I just joined the group...



Bruce,

The narrow gauge Baldwin 8-10-D "Verona" is what I have been working on, off and on for about 16 years. The boiler is complete of steel with copper flues, a balanced throttle valve in the steam dome is complete. (You can see in the drawing the throttle rod tube between the cab and the steam dome, running through the sand done). The frames are cut and machined and at that point I found a museum that has the actual drawings of this engine. The smokebox and stack are complete, still no pettycoat pipe since I intended to experiment with that not knowing what the full sized one looked like. I will post a photo of it. I have cast the wheels and some other parts for the frame.



I previously built a one inch 0-6-0 switch engine, an articulated Great Northern Mallet 2-6-6-2 with copper boiler with the Belpaire firebox. I built a few IC engines, Sterling and Erickson/Rider hot air engines and some vaccuum engines of various designs. I now have land enough and shop enough to persue the larger locomotive and track so I intend to continue construction of the 3.1" mogul.

Thanks, Bill C.

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:55:05 +1200
From: "Gary & Marilyn Ralfe"

Subject: Re: Re: Baldwin 8-10-D ?



Bill, Thats a great drawing and I look forward to seeing more. I would certainly be interested in obtaining a copy of all when youre finished. Dont panic though, and stick with your intentions of accuracy. Us rivet counters need more of this stuff! My limited experiance with CAD left me cold. The skills you've shown in hand drawing are worth retaining and can be classed as a work of art. Try spitting that out the end of a wizz bang printer. I've been doing climax drawings on A0+ size sheets with a Tee square and ink and all the while dreaming of the benifits promised from mechanical help. After a 7 years break and returning to the project I really want to carry on in the same manner. CAD failed to fulfil the creative desire, after giving it a try for a couple of years, and only promises a perfect drawing. Funny how a rivet counter can appreciate the imperfections of hand design and manufacture. Just like they did in the old days. Dont you just love the turning marks left on cast iron. Proves it was machined correctly and as the iron demands it. Why spend another 2 hours polishing something to make bring it into new age acceptance? Not many fullsize locos ever suffered that fate I bet. So try CAD, if it works for you great. If not, be happy in knowing some of us love to see real drawings from the creators own hand.

Gary

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:04:36 EDT
From: GMEYER6103@AOL.Com

Subject: Re: New file uploaded to 7-plus-NGM



Yes, James, that is a nice locomotive. Now if I just had an extra $35000.00 plus the tax, I could get one.
Thanks for the information.....Gary

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:17:02 -0400
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Non-train message



Folks,

This message is being sent to all the lists I'm active on so I'm sorry if anyone receives multiple copies.

First I need to apologize to anyone looking for new train products from my shop. As most of you know, I was one of the Nortel "victims". I was recently involved in negotiations to buy a train business. These negotiations failed.

I have since formed my own Computer business and that has occupied 100% of my time for the past two weeks and it will for the next few months. It's going extremely well but it leaves no time for trains.

I will be back to active train running/building status ASAP, but I have to feed the kids. I can take care of my family best by doing computer "stuff". I have over 25 years experience in computers, everything from single systems to designing secure networks for Fortune 100 companies.

If anyone needs a computer or an upgrade, I have models starting as low as $100 for recycled computers and around $600 for high performance new computers. I can also register your domain names for $14 per year, if you do that sort of thing. I'm working with the local Goodwill office to help supply the local community with low cost computers while I build my business.

I will be monitoring the lists, but I simply don't have time to respond to requests for train products right now. If you need to contact me, please do so off-list.

Stan Zdonick
413-567-1694

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:49:18 -0000
From: "Curtis S. Ferrington"

Subject: Searching for materials.



Gentlemen,

I'm having trouble locating sources for the following materials for a couple of live steam projects:

2 1/2" x 5/8" x 3/16" Steel Channel

1/16" x 1/2" x 1/2" Brass or Steel Angle

1/16" x 5/16" x 5/16" Brass or Steel Angle

Any help will be greatly appreciated, espically on the Angle as I really do not want to make my own.

Thank you,

Curtis F.

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:13:19 +0000
From: "Chris Draper"

Subject: New Website



Hi All,

I have created a website with a picture-book view of the railway I am planning. I have included a guestbook so your suggestions and comments will be eagerly awaited!

Website URL is:

www.geocities.com/trainnutnz

Regards
Chris Draper

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:06:34 -0400
From: locopart

Subject: Re: Searching for materials.



For the brass, you might try lewisbrass.com They are a mite bit high on their handling charge($35) when you are ordering a small quantity, but if they are the only show in town...

Don Orr,
Suffolk, Va
LocoParts
757-255-2815
FAX 757-255-7350
1-1/2", 2-1/2" and 3-3/4" scale steam locomotive accessories, gas burners, tender kits, and Allen parts

Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:38:19 EDT
From: bgwmoxie@aol.com

Subject: Re: Non-train message



Stan,
Good Day!!
! Sorry to hear of times of hardship.....
Do You carry used laptops.....
Thanks Chris Sylvester

Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:39:32 -0400
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: Searching for materials.



Curtis,
Check out Busby Metals in New York. They have tons of shapes and sizes in brass. Tell them what you are using it for to get a better price. They hate to sell to a guy that is going to resell thier metal at a higher price but they really like hobbiests.

http://www.busbymetals.com/

Bruce Mowbray
TMB Manufacturing and Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:03:08 -0400
From: locopart

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings



Ron

Did I ever send you th answer you wanted on this?

Don Orr,
Suffolk, Va
LocoParts
757-255-2815
FAX 757-255-7350
1-1/2", 2-1/2" and 3-3/4" scale steam locomotive accessories, gas burners, tender kits, and Allen parts

Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:13:01 -0700
From: "Ron Koehler"

Subject: Re: C-16 Drawings



yes, $8,000.

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:38:07 -0000
From: ageebrianjohn@yahoo.com

Subject: "Surplus Center"



In going through past messages I would sugesst a possible source of equptment. The "Surplus Center" 1015 West "o" Street P.O. Box 82209 Lincoln, NE 68501-2209 1-800-488-3407 I have used them and been pleased with the service recived............Some examples are.....Yanmar direct fuel injection Diesels 4.7hp @ $499 / 6.7hp @ $799 / 9hp @ $999 also 23.7hp and a 25.4hp Diesels. They also have a wide range a gas engines. A few eletrict DC motors 2 1/2hp 95-130v @ $21.95 or $19.99 (diffrent mounts) / 2 1/2hp variable speed motor kit @ $49.95. "Surplus Center" also has blowers, pullies, gear boxes, roller chain & sprockets, hydraulic equipment, in short many items that would be very useful for building your own IC Loco. You do need to hurry when the catalog comes out in that it is A SURPLUS OUTLET and when they are sold out it's gone!
On a diffrent topic.....Has any one consitered using a car alternator for a IC loco?????? watts=amps x volts........so a 70amp alt would produce 840 watts @ 12 volts.............but if the voltage were 120 instead the watts would be 8400!! Take 8400 watts and divide by 746 (one HP in watts)you would have 11.260053hp! Now thats a PERFICT WORLD! In reality it would probilly be closes to 10-10.5hp. Also the alt. Would need much greater cooling than the little fan at the pully would do............Just like full sized prototypes! Now you ask how can an alt output be increased to 120 volts? Glad you asked................the rotors in alt's are usually kept at a few volts and if you put a full 12 volts to the rotor you can get up to 130 volts output! The rotor amp needs are in the range of 3-4 amps. This amount can be supplied by RC speed controlers......thus giving you a varable voltage output alt. Again like many full sized prototypes! Oh you will also need to beef up the rectifer diodes to handle the incressed voltage and wattage.
Happy RailRoading! Brian

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:53:12 -0000
From: dmmcomo@socal.rr.com

Subject: Re: Searching for materials.



Curtis -

You may want to try IPS in South El Monte, CA -

IPS has a complete selection of brass, ss, steel (HRS & CRS) and aluminum. Unfortunately they won't quote on their "remnants" over the phone or internet; most of those go for around $0.26/lb.

In addition to shapes, they also have a complete line of tubing and pipe, round, square and rectangular. All of the boilers that I have built have started out from their remnants pile.

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:51:09 EDT
From: DFWSVW@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: Searching for materials.



Oh, Rudy. Remnants for a pressure boiler. No pedigree material?

Glad to see you back on line. I have missed your helpful input to discussions. By the way, do you have any more of those door overhead guide castings. My combo is getting to the point where I'll have to decide how to hang those two large side baggage doors. With the doors being inside the car, the outside door castings may not work as well. I'm still thinking out the concept of how to hang the doors and have them slide properly.

I now have all the window frames installed and am making the sash frames for the glass windows. Coming slowly but surely.

Will you be at TM at the Sept meet? Don Deffley has my caboose in his trailer so it is coming down this time.

Doug Wilkinson

Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:12:48 -0000
From: "Curtis S. Ferrington"

Subject: Re: Searching for materials.



Don, Bruce, Brian, Rudy,

Thank you!

Between all your links I've found just about everything I need, or could ever want, in stock materials.

Curtis F.

PS. Rudy, will you be attending the Bitter Creek & Western "Narrow Gauge Meet" in October?

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:05:07 -0000
From: dmmcomo@socal.rr.com

Subject: Re: Searching for materials.



Doug -

Actually, at 3/8" thick, knowing that most of the pipe stock is oil field well liner stock, and testing to 500 PSIG for the initial test, I have always felt safe in using this material. But for the purist, or in those states requiring a state certified and inspected boiler, you are correct, remnants are a "NO-NO".

I wonder if the states that do require certified materials if they would accept a radiographic inspection certificate as an alternative? Probably not. One of my past customers not only wanted certified material but a set of x-rays of the finished boiler. Guess he really wanted to be sure the "family jewels" were safe...

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:13:00 -0000
From: dmmcomo@socal.rr.com

Subject: Re: Searching for materials.



Curtis -

Ain't this a grand site. We must bow down and pray to Hubert in Deutchland that he had the foresight to set this one up. Thanks again, "HUBE"!!

This is the first I have heard of a narrow gauge meet at BC&W. Karl and I discussed such a meet at length last year, and I am surprised that he never wrote me telling me he was going ahead with it this year.

Too bad; we have already made plans to work at JT&S in October to get ready for the November meet the weekend of the 9th - 12th. We are hoping to open the high line bridge that weekend and will be installing the Howe Truss section in October.

Why don't you plan on making it to JT in November and having "Dinner in the Diner" on Saturday night. Chef Rita and her fully uniformed crew are really an experience not to be missed. Be sure to visit www.jtsrr.org to make reservations.

Hope to see you there!

Rudy van Wingen, VP
JT&S RR Museum & Club

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:17:24 EDT
From: PrototypeB@aol.com

Subject: How to reach Reeves?



Hello group,
I have tried to visit the web site of Reeves for some locomotive parts, to no avail.
Anyone know their email and the correct www. address?
Thank you,
Barry/ Connecticut/ USA

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:31:31 +0100
From: Mike Woodroffe

Subject: Re: How to reach Reeves?



Try

http://www.fotec.co.uk/mehs/reeves/mindex.htm

Mike

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:00:47 EDT
From: PrototypeB@aol.com

Subject: File posted on 7/9/01, ???



Hello group,
Can anyone help me find out more about the Locomotive in the photo posted on 7/9/01 to our files- a beautiful 2 1/2" scale NG Mogul, 2-6-0 by John Nicholson?
This might of happened during that period of email disconnects last month-
But anyway, I was just scaning the files and found it. I am going to build a Maxitrak 2-6-0 Kit and would like to contact the builder or owner of that Mogul posted.
Thank you,

Barry Bridges
Connecticut

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:27:26 EDT
From: PrototypeB@aol.com

Subject: To find Reeves



Hello Mike,

Thank you....!
It worked.

Barry

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:56:06 EDT
From: nashnash@aol.com

Subject: Re: File posted on 7/9/01, ???



Dear Berry:
I am builder of the 2-6-0. I used WATCO castings and drawings. It is called the "Lil Mogul." Roll Models in Fresno, CA, has the castings and drawings now. Not sure if they are going to bring it out because of the "Sweet Creek." I have not fired it yet. Will use propane. It has a Briggs boiler with 2 1/2' x 3 1/2" Cylinder.

Regards,

John Nicholson
Bear Valley Railroad
Golden Gate Live Steamers

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:48:16 EDT
From: Thime@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: Searching for materials.



Rudy,

I can't see how it could be an official "narrow gauge" meet without CRP in attendance.

I'm probably going to see Karl this weekend, I think I'll ask him why the news of this meet didn't get spread around better.

I'll make my plans to attend the JT&S Fall meet right away.

Thank you,
Curtis F.

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:48:15 -0700
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: File posted on 7/9/01, ???



John,

I would enjoy seeing some more photos of your locomotive. Good work! I may have seen it in its early stages in the back of your pickup at GGLS some time back. It was a Wato engine but may have been a Stuart.

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:16:50 EDT
From: PrototypeB@aol.com

Subject: Hello John RE: Lil Mogul



Hello,
Thank you for responding to my inquiry.
I am building ( as soon as I get stage 1 & 2, from Maxitrak a 2-6-0 w/ 4wheel tender) a NG Mogul very close to your model. From your note it sounds like Roll Models has all the drawings. I 'll call Paul, I'm a very satisfied past customer and ask him if I can get some specs to aid in the details of my up-coming Kit.
I really like the proportions, cab height to boiler, wheel size, etc. of your model.
If it is at all possible to see more photos of your locomotive, I would greatly appreciate that.
Best wishes,
Barry Bridges
Connecticut
PVLS & ALS