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7-Plus-NGM Digest October 2005

Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:38:18 -0000
From: "chevwilliam"

Subject: Re: Beginners 7 1/4" steam loco

Personal Opinion:
What is so strange about a 'harried vendor' doing a web page that answers the most important Repetitive Questions they receive in a concise and easily understood way?
The vendor choose to budget their time to manufacturing and selling rather than none revenue time intensive web page authoring.
Best Regards,
William J. Stewart.

Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:35:48 -0400
From: Michael Guy

Subject: Re: Re: Beginners 7 1/4" steam loco

What is so strange about a 'harried vendor' doing a web page that answers the most important Repetitive Questions they receive in a concise and easily understood way?

The first question I had was "what does it look like?". The tractors were up front, I had to dig for the locomotive photo.

The vendor choose to budget their time to manufacturing and selling rather than none revenue time intensive web page authoring.

"A picture is worth a thousand words" or so someone said. Nothing intensive about adding a photo in the right place on the page.


Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:29:54 -0700
From: "Daniel F. Morris"

Subject: White Creek Railroad Meet Pixs

I have just posted pixs from the meet at Russ Eldred's "White Creek Railroad" The weather was good the 23rd & 24th with a sizable attendance. This is a private track that is attended by invitation. I have been to many tracks that are special and enjoyable in their own way. Russ's track is one that I find to be extremely fun to run at. His railroad is large as with other tracks across the land, but large isn't all that's to it. Russ's White Creek Railroad is *true* railroading in 1/8 scale. The entire railroad is manual block signal controlled. This allows many trains on a single track operation, with sidings. There are towns, industrial sidings of various types, and two beautiful lakes to see. Each town is marked with it's own water tower to guide the railroader through the layout. Russ & Mara Eldred have done an outstanding job creating their White Creek Railroad! This is a track I surely want to go to again!


Dan Morris

Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:05:38 -0000
From: "tankcreek"

Subject: Conway 2-6-0

Does anybody in the group know how much a 2.5" scale Conway Locomotive Company Colorado & Southern 2-6-0 weighs? I have one that was delivered here in a large trailer, and I want to know its weight before I try loading it onto a 1/2 ton pickup truck to take to the club track!


Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:51:14 -0700
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0

Not sure of the exact weight, but it is similar to our C-16s that weigh in at ~ 750# for the engine and ~250# for the tender.

Peter Moseley

Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:26:24 EDT
From: VANCENICK@aol.com

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0

A half ton full size pickup will handle the C & S Mogul with no problem along with tools and a couple hundred pounds of coal. I hauled a USRA heavy 2-8-2 with a huge tender all over the lower states with a half ton Chevy long bed and didnt have any helper springs or air shocks.

Vance Nickerson

Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:29:18 EDT
From: VANCENICK@aol.com

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0

Your loco was delivered in a 16' trailer with a cover by a gentelman named Bill correct?

Vance Nickerson

Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:09:33 -0000
From: "greg"

Subject: Tenders

I'm looking for drawings of Baldwin, wood framed tenders, ca 1880-1890. If anyone has anything, scanable or hard copy, I would be most grateful. It goes without saying that I would cover any copying costs or postage incurred.

Thank you for any consideration'
Greg B.

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:37:41 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0

Do not know who it is asking the question re the Conway locomotive ---

The defining answer might come from one Rudy Van Wingen, buried somewhere on the West (other) coat. Rudy was, is. the Gauleighter (sp?) of Conway and runs one of these little beasties.

Is Rudy still about? I've been clearing out what can be laughingly referred to as files and came upon much cprrespondence from this rascal.

Rudy: Write/e-mail please if you see this!

Cam Brown

Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:33:07 -0400
From: Don and/or Wanda Orr

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0


I hope Rudy answers you, but I talked to him a few weeks ago, and his health has kept him from answering email, or even from talking extensively on the phone. I really miss this as he and I corresponded almost daily. Rudy, if you see this, I miss you, Bubba!

don orr

Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:03:36 -0700
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0


Rudy is quite ill <this part of the mail was deleted by the moderator for privacy reasons> and is no longer responding to e-mail. The C&S #10 Mogul that he and Loren Brown built is now owned by Ron Schmidt and is used here on the Flintridge and Portola Valley RR.

Peter Moseley

Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:18:26 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Annetta Valley & Western RR Launches New Web Site

The Annetta Valley and Western Railroad is a private railroad club with a 7 1/2" gauge track located west of Fort Worth, Texas. The AV&W RR Club has 16 charter members and 9 regular members and is the home track to 15 steam engines, 18 gasoline or electric powered locomotives and over 75 pieces of rolling stock. Members model in both 1 1/2" scale standard gauge and 2 1/2" scale and larger narrow gauge. The club is home to the hobby's largest collection of narrow gauge locomotives and rolling stock in Texas.

Terry McGrath, Executive Secretary of the AV&W RR Club, is proud to announce the launching of a brand new web site for the club at www.avwrr.org. Terry and the other club members welcome you to visit the new site, see pictures of the facilities, view the track plan, and learn more about the club and its members.

Questions and comments about the club may be directed to Terry McGrath.

Please don't forget to sign our guestbook.

Bill Laird AV&W RR Webmaster

Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:02:58 EDT
From: douglasandcj@aol.com

Subject: Re: Annetta Valley & Western RR Launches New Web Site

Iwent to the site and found it to be dated. (2000) abd could not sign the guest book.

Doug De Berg

Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:21:00 -0500
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: Annetta Valley & Western RR Launches New Web Site

Doug, somehow you got to the old site at http://www.avwrr.freeservers.com/index.html.
Terry is in the process of decommissioning that site.

The new site is at www.avwrr.org. Give that a try.


Bill Laird

Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Lagness

Subject: Links to Hesston Volunteers

Now it looks like I'll finally find some time to work on my website. If anyone would like me to add their site to the Hesston Volunteers site just drop me a line. I think the sites headed into phase 3 with a bit more history on the equipment and try to organize it a little better. Any suggestions will be appreciated.


Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:52:48 +0200
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0

Hi Don,

thank you for the info. It's good to hear, that he is still with us.
I sent him some emails during the past months, but never got an answer. Now I know, why.

I hope, he will recover and will be able to come up to TM next summer.
I would love to meet him again and I'm praying for him.

Your moderator from Germany

Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:44:06 -0000
From: "tankcreek"

Subject: Conway 2-6-0

Tnanks to the group for the feedback on the weight of the 2-6-0. Rudy VanWingen was mentioned as a source. I have never met him, but understand he is an early owner of one of the Conway 2-6-0s, and owner of Como Roundhouse Products which specializes in C & S 2.5" scale products. I tried calling the telephone number I found on the internet and received a recording for Como Roundhouse Products, but the machine cut off without giving a 'beep' to leave a message. I tried twice and stopped. I understand from a message posted by the group moderator and from a friend here, back east, that Rudy has been ill with a very serious condition. Perhaps he is not well enough to take calls at this time.

I was calling him because I am looking for items for the 2-6-0:
smokebox front and door, stack base and stack, undercab engine brake cylinders, as well as any other detail parts that are available for the engine.

If any group members have ideas on what I need (or how to reach Rudy) please let me know.
Thanks, Dick Patton (tankcreek)

PS: Vance, the engine was delivered by Bill Dobbs of Pennsylvania.
His trailer is 24' covered. How did you hear about the engine way down there in Texas!?

Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:49:51 -0400
From: "mikell"

Subject: Links

All call for adding links of suppliers for all scales of railroading and steam stuff. Just drop a line here with who you are and what you do.



Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:14:44 -0400
From: Don and/or Wanda Orr

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0


Herer are some sources for the C19 parts:
Brake cylinders...fabricate them from brass bar and silver solder.
Stack base and stack: are they close to the RGS20? I don't remember (I'm building one of Tom Artzberger's RGS20s, and I partially built one of Dave's C19s) but I thnk if you contact Tom Artzbrger he can provide these.
Smokebox front and door: Agaiin, talk to Tom and see if the RGS20 parts will work.

I talked to Rudy a couple of days ago and he is very ill. Basically, Como RH is on hold until it can go to a new owner. He told me the fellow's name but I forgot it, but I would give them a few months or so to see what happens. Rudy did not give me any indication that he expects to be back with us soon. He is a good friend, and I miss him being among us.

As far as other plumbing parts, see what I have...am developing more for 2-1/2" all the time. The latest are scale snifters and cylinder cocks (manually operated).

don orr

Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:08:41 EDT
From: VANCENICK@aol.com

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0

I have wanted it also but with a free lance narrow gauge mogul already on hand I couldnt justify another one.


Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:10:47 EDT
From: VANCENICK@aol.com

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0

Como Roundhouse for sale? I might be interested if this gentelman doesnt come through.

Vance Nickerson

Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:47:54 -0400
From: Don and/or Wanda Orr

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0

I understand...I also told him that I might be interrested..

don orr

Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:40:05 -0000
From: "William Van Lenten"

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0

I too might be interested in buying Como Roundhouse.
Bill, @ Southern Locomotive Works in sunny huricane land of Florida

Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:23:22 -0700
From: Ken Burns

Subject: Re: Re: Conway 2-6-0


It is my understanding that Paul Lavacot, an associate of Rudy VanWingen, is going to handle the Como Roundhouse line of 2.5" parts. I have already recieved some of my backordered parts with more to come.
Ken Burns

Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:33:52 +1300
From: Grant & Donna Alexander

Subject: Tinkerbelle

Hi Guys,

Does anyone know what this is? Looks like a very large 2-4-2, perhaps 2' gauge prototype, but of course on 7 gauge. The one I've seen is sans boiler, but appears to be built to have a ride-in cab! Is it a kit, are their plans around, any idea of the prototype, and who has done the plans for the model?

Grant Alexander
Squirrel Valley,
New Zealand.

Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 06:49:22 -0400
From: Michael Guy

Subject: Re: Tinkerbelle

Did you send a photo? It didn't reach me. Perhaps you could send it direct?
Tinkerbell is an 0-4-2 ride-in-cab engine by Roger Marsh. Quite an old design now but very popular in the UK. The Moors Valley Railway runs a Tinkerbell rally each year I understand. See here: http://www.moorsvalleyrailway.co.uk/locopage/4tinkerbell.html

It is not a kit, the drawing set and castings are sold by Chris Fincken in the UK http://www.miniaturerailway.com.futuresite.register.com/

Michael Guy

Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 07:10:28 -0400
From: Don and/or Wanda Orr

Subject: Re: Re: Conway 2-6-0


Thanks for refreshing my failing memory. Of course it is Paul who is taking it over. I think he has been a long-time friend of Rudy's, and I met him at Train Mt in 2003. I think Como wil be in excellent hands, and will do Rudy proud.

Paul. if I may be of any assistance, please do not hesitate to call.

don orr

Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:08:13 +1000
From: "Paxon G&C"

Subject: Re: Re: Conway 2-6-0

Can someone update yus on Rudy's status. He has not been on email for some time. I miss his wit and knowledge.
What about Paul- does he have a contact so we can put in some orders? I have been deferring orders as I knew Rudy was seriously unwell.

Geo A Paxon

Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:10:49 -0000
From: "Rowland49"

Subject: Re: Conway 2-6-0

Sure glad you have fewer birthday candles than I do. I was racking my brain trying to remember Paul's name. We had a chance to talk at Bitter Creek at the meet. Pleasant gentleman.

You guys are doing a great job on your C-19. I need to do a brain drain the next time we get together so I can get some guidance from you guys on my 19. I really think I may be able to start turning some metal this winter.


Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:06:32 EDT
From: yrfavsob@aol.com

Subject: Re: Digest Number 1327

C&S NG stack bases and driver centers are different than those found on the D&RG/RGS. Rich Ulin is developing a C&S BLW 2-8-0 this would provide one the stack base and other details but the drivers are too small for a Cook 2-6-0.
I believe Conway was the only one to offer 2-6-0 drivers in 2-1/2" scale and at least some of his patterns went to Coles according to Rudy. If one wanted to build a generic 2-6-0 the size of a C&S then Tom's RGS 20 parts would serve you well. Engine brake cylinders from 20 should work - they were just catalog items. I have Conway drawings and his frame has variations from the protoype especially on the rear end.

Dennis O

Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:08:15 -0000
From: "tankcreek"

Subject: Conway

Thanks to all who responded to my questions re C&S 2-6-0 parts and Como Roundhouse. I have sent an email to Paul Lavacot re parts.

Dick Patton

Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:23:41 -0700
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Como/Ridgway

Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:00:35 -0700
From: "Paul Lavacot"

Subject: Re: [7-plus-NGM] Re: como/ridgway

Hello All,

I am Paul Lavacot, the person taking over Como Roundhouse Products from Rudy van Wingen.

First off, I am sad to say that Rudy is very ill and can not take any phone calls or e-mails, I try to visit with him every week. Rudy thanks all of you for your thoughts and prayers. Rudy has been more that a good friend for many, many years, more like a big brother. His heath has been failing him for a long time now, that is the reason why the service of Como has fallen off. I am in the processe of getting things in shape. But this will take some time, as I am still in the work force, doing the 9:00 to 5:00 thing.

As for Como there will be a name change, and, hopefully soon, a web site to view the products.

The new company will be know as:

Ridgway Roundhouse Products

The mailing address is

12188 Central ave. #558
Chino, California 91710-2420

As of this time I do not have a business phone set up yet or an e-mail. The e-mail above is my personal one that is OK to use for now or you can write to the above address.

If you would like to send Rudy a card or a letter, you can send it to <snipped for privacy reasons by the moderator>

Or you can send it to me at " Ridgway Roundhouse Products" and I will make sure he gets them.

I hope this clears the the air a little bit, as of now if you have any inquiries you can write, or e-mail me of the list.

Thank you all for your help and support

Paul lavacot

Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:41:55 EDT
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Como/Ridgway


1.)That and Cam Brown wish him well
2) No guarantee but Episcopal Prayers shall be tossed into the mix
3) I may be in slightly better shape

Got to leave now. Lady of house advises that I am not prepared for arrival of morning's guest/ride. Rudy will understand/explain if required.

Cam Brown

Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:09:30 -0400
From: "mikell"

Subject: Add your railroad

Goggle has a new map program for groups and I started the ones below. Please add your railroad in the proper section and feel free to link to it. Stickers are available for your website just e mail me. Just started today so it's rather empty I will be adding Hesston in a few minutes. I am the owner so if there's a problem contact me.

7" to 8" Railroads

8" to 12" railroads

Grand Scale Railroads

2 Foot and larger Railroads

Mike Lagness

Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:35:14 -0400
From: "mikell"

Subject: Fw: Add your railroad

For some reason I thought you could make a link. The Hesston site that ends in HTML works but none of the others. The maps are a beta thing and I sent a note requesting how to add links I will post the information when I find out


Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:44:36 -0400
From: "mikell"

Subject: Fw: Add your railroad

To make a link in your shout you need to put http:// before the www in your website and you will have a link in the balloon. If you want me to remove yours so you can re do it just let me know. Were still learning here


Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:18:03 -0400
From: "mikell"

Subject: Re: Add your railroad

Another thing I found is this Goggle map is world wide so just click your mouse and spin the globe to see railroads world wide ( When they get added)

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:27:43 -0000
From: "Curtis S. Ferrington"

Subject: Bettendorf trucks?

Is there a supplier out there making 2-1/2" scale D&RGW 4' 6" wheel base Bettendorf trucks?

Curtis F.

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 04:52:12 -0700
From: "Charlie Meinershagen-Susan Weale"

Subject: Re: Bettendorf trucks?

No! You have to make your own.

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:55:22 -0000
From: "Rick White"

Subject: Re: Bettendorf trucks?

Rich Ulin of Ulin Locomotives is making Bettendorf trucks for narrow gauge. Like anything else Rich does, it has lots of detail.
Working brakes are an addition at extra expense. He has these trucks on his C&S narrow gauge stock car - so they are C&S and not D&RG, but are narrow gauge Bettendorf trucks.

Ulin Locomotive Works
1160 Lilac Street
Broomfield, CO 80020
No e-mail and no PC - he spends his time in the shop.
If you call him, tell him we missed him last week at the C&IG Fall Meet.

Rick White LCC & FB

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:02:25 -0700
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: Bettendorf trucks?

Richard Ulin.

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:18:06 -0500
From: Tom Artzberger

Subject: Re: Bettendorf trucks?

The Hartford Shops will be offering the Bettendorf trucks in the not too distance future. I am working on the geometry files now and should be cutting patterns shortly although I dont have a delivery schedule yet.
They will be priced about the same as my arch bar trucks. See my website of 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 scale equipment and parts at www.pleshops.com.

Tom Artzberger

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:12:56 -0700
From: Ken Burns

Subject: Re: Bettendorf trucks?

Yes, Carl Ulrich does make Bettendorf trucks in 2.5", I bought a pair last year at the JTS RR Narrow Gauge meet. Carl can be emailed at: pine712@tds.net. They are very nicely detailed and the journal box lids are "jewelry". They be under the stockcar when built.

Ken Burns

Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:46:31 -0000
From: "Curtis S. Ferrington"

Subject: Re: Bettendorf trucks?

Rick, Tom, Ken,

Thank you for the info!

I'm glad I don't have to make my own as I'd rather spend time building the cars. Though I was hoping for only one source, now I have to choose.



Will your trucks be ready for brakes? Specifically, I'd use the Superscale brake system.



Can you post a snapshot of Ulrich's trucks? I'm very tempted to wait for Tom's as his quality is a known quantity, and his prices will probably be more reasonable than Ulin for a truck meant to run rather than be put on display. :)

Thank you again guys,
Curtis F.

Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:32:33 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd A Butler"

Subject: Re: Bettendorf trucks?

Check with Rich Ulin he has some under his new stock car I think I dont know the wheel base but he made the castings himself as there were none avalible so he has the patterns for them.

Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:56:46 +0100
From: "Andrew Walton"

Subject: Re: Re: ILS

Hi Guys
Does any one know of some good 2 1/2 inch scale Steam Operated Cylinder drains
Andy Walton
Denver Light Railway

Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:57:45 -0400
From: Don and/or Wanda Orr

Subject: Re: ILS


Locoparts just developed some for 2-1/2" scale for the RGS20 program.
The problem, for you, is that they are prototypical...i.e., mechanical.
Just finished them If you want a photo, drop me a note off-line. Also just finished a run of 2-1/2" scale snifter valves, if you are interested.

don orr

Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:34:27 -0500
From: "Thomas"

Subject: Re: Re: ILS

Reference the article on page 70 and 71 of the November/December issue of Live Steam. You could probable scale these up and make them with out any problem.
Thomas Scott

Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:49:42 +0100 From: "Andrew Walton"

Subject: Re: Re: Re: ILS

Thanks Thomas
I do not get Live Steam mag over here

Andy Walton

Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:33:12 -0500
From: "Thomas"

Subject: Re: Re: Re: ILS

Andrew, do you think a copy of Live Steam may be in a local library.
I have found magazines in University Libraries Such as the University of Illinois here in the US of A which carry a number of such magazines from other countries.
We also have a group here that subscribe to live steam publications from the UK and there may be someone in a group there that will have a subscription to Live Steam that you could look at.
They have very good articles about building steam engines and locomotives.
There are also lots of adds for supplies that could be very helpful to you.
My e-mail address is pluto@egix.net and if you want me to send you some info about these things give me your name and address for posting a letter to you with more info. I also have a ham radio license, but have not talked to any one in the UK for some time.
My antenna needs some work and I have not gotten it done because I have been working on the restoration of a full sized steam locomotive here at the Monticello Railway Museum at Monticello, Illinois. US of A My ham call letters are N9GIJ
Thomas Scott

Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:46:34 -0800
From: Leon Risenhoover

Subject: did i remove to much?

I need some feedback on this wheel that I just finished.pics are here http://community.webshots.com/album/366992302CIBeOh the "web" between the cutouts is 1/4 to 1/3 inch thick do you guys think there is enough "meat" to support this monster? the target weight is 3600 Lb.

front of wheel

back of wheel

Leon in Luther