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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:40:25 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd Butler"

Subject: Dog House

Try the John Maxwell collection of prints, they are on line so you can browse thru them. Also another source is Rich Uhln as he might have them out of Broomfield Co. check the last issue of Live Steam for his address.
Boyd Butler

Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 06:05:14 +0000
From: "Roy Stevens"

Subject: RE: Dog House

You might try posing this question on the DRGW yahoogroup. Some there are ridiculously knowledgable on the DRGW. Since the doghouses were add-ons to satisfy a governement requirement, and were likely built by the local shops, standard dimentions are unlikely. They don't appear in any of my locomotive folio drawings.


Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:51:36 -0000
From: "k36no4862002"

Subject: Re: Dog House

If you look up on Google 'Cumbres and Toltec Shops' there is a good website on the Cumbres and Toltec.

There is an Email address so you can ask the owner of the website as he's very involved in the railroad. In fact he may even go and measure the one on 484 for you.

All the best.

Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:36:52 -0000
From: "mudhen461"

Subject: Re: Dog House

dear Hugh,
i'm an employee of the C&TS and i'd be glad to get the dimensions for You.
By the way, the D&RGW actually did have standard dimensions for these "doghauses". Also they were centered on the tenders. The reasonthat on some photos they apear to be out of the center is because the are. The C&TS did not always bolt them down, therefor thy would move around some on the back of the tender! Of course the D&RGW would not do such a thing!
Anyway, i'll send You the dimensions, as soon as i get them.


Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:17:21 -0800
From: "Hugh Smith"

Subject: Re: Re: Dog House

That would be greatly appreciated.

A little back ground is in order.
I'm building a mogul in 3-3/4 scale on 7-1/2 gauge (2 foot proto). I've already deviated for standard design by installing a transverse air tank, ala CS. I like the idea and looks of a dog house so I'm adding one of them also.

Thanks for your help

Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:00:52 -0000
From: "Trevor Heath"

Subject: Superscale

Does anyone have the phone (not fax) number for Superscale?



Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:14:54 -0000
From: "John Haskey"

Subject: Re: Superscale

Yahoo Yellow Pages lists them at: (805) 473-4884


Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:05:50 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Boyd Butler"

Subject: Tender Dog House

On ebay under ON3 there is a dog house for a tender for sale its a Denver and Rio Grande one in brass assembled.
Boyd Butler

Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:47:49 -0800
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: British Colombia Society Virtual tour



Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:52:01 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: British Colombia Society Virtual tour

Good stuff.
Watching it something looked a little odd.
Then I realized it was the faint greenery.
While running the second direction I decided to ask when it was shot.
After the last frame I finally looked at the wall paper "May 2004" it said. Well ...

Thanks Trevor.

from a bright and crisp -4*C at 0800 in Toronto

Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:54:11 -0700
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Your Christmas book wish list (commercial)

Hi Folks:

I've just added several new books to my list of Feldbahn/narrow gauge books.
Please check it out...there might be something that you would like for Christmas.



Mike Decker
Decker's Trains

Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:49:50 -0800
From: "Fred Rorex"

Subject: RE: British Colombia Society Virtual tour

Now the arbor is a nice feature. Can't say I have seen one like i anywhere else.

Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:37:35 -0800
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: Photo contest

The annual photo contest is now in the voting phase.

Take a minute and place a vote



Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:21:31 -0000
From: "Curtis S. Ferrington"

Subject: Re: Thermojet printing


I use www.approto.com for getting rapid-prototype parts made using the Therojet process (TJ-88 Wax).
They're a good tight company.
In fact I'm taking delivery on Friday (19 Nov 04) of waxes from them for a 1.593" scale Southern Pacific 1920s sytle Smoke Stack.

Curtis F.

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:19:32 -0600
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: RE: Thermojet Waxes and Lost Wax Casting


Thank you.

Who will do your casting?


Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:36:38 -0000
From: "Curtis S. Ferrington"

Subject: Re: Thermojet Waxes and Lost Wax Casting

To be honest I don't know who pours the metal. :) Barry Hauge (Superscale) is a good friend of mine so I send him the waxes and get them cast with one of his orders. The foundry breaks down the price-per-part and I pay my share of the expenses plus a handeling charge.

Barry knows far more about lost wax castings that I do and deals with several different foundires weekly. He know who's good, who's not to be trusted, how to pack these things for shipment, who to talk to at the foundries, how to talk to them, knows how to do quality control, etc. Thusly I defere to his expertice.

I will say that www.approto.com does offer metal castings, but I've found their prices to be a bit on the high side (espically compaired to being thrown in with a bulk order from Barry). That and by getting the waxes from approto.com and then sending them to Barry I get about a three week break between paying for the wax and paying for the metal, rather than all at once. ;)

Sorry I couldn't be of more help,

Curtis F.

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:32:25 -0800
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: SAR Steam

New (revamped) web site on all things relating to steam in South Africa, prototype and miniature).



Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:25:14 -0000
From: "Curtis S. Ferrington"

Subject: Re: Thermojet Waxes and Lost Wax Casting


I've posted a photo in the "Photos" area of the group called "Rapid Prototype TJ-88 Wax" It's a picture of the smoke stack wax I just recieved next to the original RRS one that will soon be up for sale.

In the photo you can see that the Rapidprototype system is still a bit rough and the waxes DO require added material for hand sanding, scraping, carving and such to produce a superior wax, and the cast part WILL be IDENTICAL to the wax. Even finger prints in the wax will show up. Every minute you spend cleaning up the wax saves you three minutes trying to clean up the metal. (Exacto knives, sand paper, small shaped files, etc. are good tools to have on hand.)

On average: Vertical surfaces look like the walls of a canyon with vertical water erosion, not very deep, but noticable. Horizontal surfaces are always very clean and flat on the top side, but the bottom sides look like the wax was poured over a fine layer of sand.
Tapered surfaces and curves help emencely in making the wax look cleaner at the get-go. So even though you don't need draft in RP practice it should be done any way.

The pattern should be 1% to 2% oversized to allow for shrinkage.
Remember to make holes undersized becuase the shrinkage will make them larger.

Design the pattern with risers in strategic locations to help redude shrinkage problems. Also design in tabs and such that can be used to hold the final metal part for any needed machineing. One of the worst things is getting back a metal casting after months of design, RP wax, casting, and only then realizing that you have no way to hold the part for chucking it into a lathe.

Give yourself an absolute minimum of 1/32" (1.25mm) machining allowance, 1/16" (2.5mm) is better, too much more is overkill (in my opinion).

Curtis F.

Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:03:48 -0800
From: Trevor Heath

Subject: Re: Thermojet Waxes and Lost Wax Casting


Excellent timing. We are going to see a wax printer in the morning.


Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:47:58 -0000
From: "jowa"

Subject: Re: Garratt's in Kenya

http://www.livesteaming.com/Nairobi Garratt's.htm

obviously this adress is not correct, what is between nairobi and garratt and pls avoid the -'-
i am afraid most browsers will reject it
best greetings from vienna
josef wagner

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:40:51 +1100
From: "Paxon G&C"

Subject: Re: Re: Garratt's in Kenya

I am working away on a D&RGW C-19 in 2-1/2" scale. Another of my mates is working on a C-16. There must be a goodly number of us doing these engines as a result of the Conway, Como and other suppliers having made some drawings and parts available. Also, I see quite a few photos of these locos in work by others. It was unfortunate that Conway has gone away as his design is excellent and the parts I have managed to gather from him are very good. I fear the Conway parts have dried up now with the passing of the fellow at Coles, and as even when Conway was a going concern getting parts was difficult. Rudy at Como was good enough to get me what he could.

I was wondering if it would be worth while to establish a sub-group of those of us who are building these engines. The Baldwin and Grant engines of the 1870s and 1880s were pretty much the same in both 2-6-0 and 2-8-0 configuration. There wasn't much difference between the frames under the D&RGW and C&S engines for that matter and the C&S engines weren't Baldwin's.
I have made some patterns and have cast some parts I could not get from Conway. I am sure others have done the same. If we could share the castings from these patterns around, it could reduce the work for all of us. For example, I have the frame casting for the lead truck but don't have the bolster and pedestals castings. If someone has made patterns for these I would like to hear from you as you might be able to save me some pattern making work.

I think there is also much room for discussion on how various bits are to be made. Dave Conway did a good design job on his C-19 drawings, but there is still much left to the imagination. Those who are working from the Milner drawings are way off the actual engines, unfortunately. It would be good to hear from others who are slogging away on their own in their workshops trying to build one of these engines.

Geo A Paxon

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 09:39:50 -0000
From: "Andrew Walton"

Subject: Re: Re: Garratt's in Kenya

Hi There
Sadly i am toiling to build a C19 from Milner drawings I Had figured that it was not to scale they were built for easy maintenance and commercial running a friend of mine has 2 and has run them in to the ground can you give me the sizes of yours
many thanks
Andy Walton

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:44:33 -0500
From: "don@locoparts.net"

Subject: Re: Re: Garratt's in Kenya


In the event some of you are not aware, LOCOPARTS offers a beautiful (if I do say so myself) tender kit for the RGS20 which may serve some of you well for the C16 or 19. The tenders were quite similar. I thnk there is a photo of the kit on my website, or if not, and you are interested, you may email me or call me, and I can send you info and photos.. FYI, this kit is the tender used for Tom Artzberger's RGS20 group project, plus some have been sold for other NG projects.


don orr
www.locoparts.net 757-255-2815

Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:58:53 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: Garratt's in Kenya

what is wrong with discussing that in this group.

I am sure all of us would appreciate hearing about someone having solved a specific problem.
Also, see the separate reply from Don Orr, you (we) would not have known the references to the RGS20 tender kit.
(Don doesn't toot his horn enough; if you have a chance, look at what he produces.)

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:32:33 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: Garratt's in Kenya

An observation from a tenuous hanger-on with this group:

Having had the good fortune, luck, whatever , to get to know one Rudy Van Wingen, if this gentleman, ample in charm, skill and avedupois ( this last must be misspelled -I can't find it in the dictionaries I have here, cannot conjure up advice, sympathy, parts and whatever else needed to model the C whatever number needed, I shall be greatly surprised.

To put my oar in the water, is anyone attempting to model the two foot Mogul that Baldwin built way back when for that North Carolina two footer that died aborning. Sold through the second hand markrt and ended up in Maine and was transmorgraphied into one of the early Praires.

Cam Brown

Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:41:12 -0800
From: Greg Robinson

Subject: Riding Railway University --seminars DVDs [ad]

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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:25:13 -0800
From: "Fred Rorex"

Subject: RE: Riding Railway University --seminars DVDs [ad]

Sure seems like a lot for a dvd. $40? $70 for both? Guess that will have to wait until next Christmas...... :-(


Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:02:04 -0500
From: "don@locoparts.net"

Subject: New KEIM pump available---1-1/2" scale duplex water pump....advertisement


First, thanks to all of you who have supported Locoparts and your great comments!

In keeping with our desire to provide the finest to the hobby:

The title says it all! The KEIM 1-1/2" scale duplex pump is finally available exclusively from LOCOPARTS !

Introductory price: $875 plus shipping

Keim pumps are the finest on the market! Guaranteed to run...every time! Why play around with pain-in-the-tushie kits that may or may-not work, or take hours of fiddling to get to run?

KEIM pumps are now available as follows:(subject to a 6-8 week lead time...some items are in stock)
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:12:43 -0000
From: "dmmcomo"

Subject: Re: Riding Railway University -- Price to high!

Greg -

To those who say that a price of $40.00 ($70.00/two) for truly limitied edition, low volume gems of specialized knowledge, I say "FOR SHAME".

When the DVD is no longer available due to limited subscription, then hear them cry for it!

Consider this an order for two sets; one persoal and one for the JT&S RR Musuem library.
Let me know where to send the $140.00!

And please don't get discouraged; keep up the good (and very hard, limited reward) work on behalf of those of us who apprecicate it. I for one know what it cost me to travel to TM to make my injector presentation, and how much work I personally put into preparing it...and then you had to record it on DV, edit it, and then burn it...well, shoot!

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:43:13 -0500
From: "don@locoparts.net"

Subject: Re: Re: Riding Railway University -- Price to high!

Greg and Susan

I second Rudy's comments! The real live steamers will surely recognize this excellent value . Keep up the good work! You and Susan are doing an excellent job of supporting our hobby.

I just posted my paypal payment to your website for my copy.

don orr

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:41:24 -0500
From: bruceodelberg@netscape.net

Subject: Re: Re: Riding Railway University -- Price to high!

Hi all,

It should also be noted that each volume contains 2 DVDs (4 DVDs in total for the two volumes). I have already received mine. While not every segment is exactly what I was hoping for, and sometimes the background noise is distracting (that is if you consider train whistles to be distracting), and it would have been nice to have a list of part numbers for the "buy out" items talked about (I am thinking about the segment on Automatic Train Brakes here), there is much very good information to be gained from these workshops.
I do not regret having made my purchase.

Bruce Odelberg

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:21:38 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: Re: Riding Railway University -- Price to high!

I echo Don and Rudy's comments. I have asked my wife for a set for Christmas.

There is far too little sharing of technical knowledge in this hobby. I support all efforts by whatever means.

Bill Laird
Canyon Lake, TX