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Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:46:04 -0000
From: "k36no4862002"

Subject: Re: did i remove to much?



Do you mean the flange or the section machined out of the back of the wheel?
If it's the flange then it should be made as per the published 7 1/4 or 71/2 spec.
If you mean the section you cut out then I would not bother just clean the back off and leave it at that.

Paul

Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:44:09 -0800
From: Leon Risenhoover

Subject: Re: Re: did i remove to much?



the flange/tread is IBLS std. the cut out on the back is to open up the "spokes", as it turns out I will use this set on the 4th axle and open just enough to see through on 1st axle and not cut a slot all the way around.
I think they look 100% better opened up

Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:25:01 -0000
From: "k36no4862002"

Subject: Re: did i remove to much?



Sounds good- is this going to be a Goldman engine?

I look forward to seeing this being built as I'm going to start a 1/6th Challenger next year (9.25 engine running on 7.25 tracks)
Paul

Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:38:29 -0800
From: Leon Risenhoover

Subject: Re: Re: did i remove to much?



I can build it for much less. it costs me about $8 per wheel the frames cost $36 compared to $80 and $5,000. plus it's like buying a car from the dealer and building a roadster

Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:40:47 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Re: did i remove to much?



Paul,

Can you share with us the reason for building in 1/6 scale?

Regards,
Jim Hoback

Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:09:36 -0800
From: Leon Risenhoover

Subject: Re: Re: did i remove to much?



1/8 ? made the math easy? I'm not sure why, just seemed to be the thing to do

Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:15:52 -0000
From: "fred veenschoten"

Subject: Re: did i remove to much?



do you mean 1.6"/ foot scale? many builders are using this rather than the typical 1.5"/foot.
fred v

Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:30:10 -0800
From: Leon Risenhoover

Subject: Re: Re: did i remove to much?



allot of builders use 1.6 in/ft because it makes 7-1/2 or 7-1/4 (don't remember which) track scale. myself, I find it easier to multiply by .125 instead of .13333333......

Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:07:05 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Scales, Was: did i remove to much?



allot of builders use 1.6 in/ft because it makes 7-1/2 or 7-1/4 (don't remember which) track scale. myself, I find it easier to multiply by .125 instead of .13333333......

1.6 scale makes 7-1/2" gauge proper for standard gauge.

do you mean 1.6"/ foot scale? many builders are using this rather than the typical 1.5"/foot.

Right on Fred!

I'm going to start a 1/6th Challenger next year (9.25 engine running on 7.25 tracks)

This is really running amuck At 1/6th scale the gauge is nearly the stated 9.25 (actually it would be 9.417 gauge) but who in the world uses that?

I can only assume that the intended goal is to build a Challenger in 1.6" to the foot scale to run on either 7-1/2" or 7-1/4" gauge (pick one). That will be a real challenge in any scale.

Regards,
Jim Hoback
Sonora Short Line Railway
Sonora, CA, U.S.A.

Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:43:11 -0000
From: "k36no4862002"

Subject: Re: Scales, Was: did i remove to much?



Yep 1/6th on 7 1/4 track!
I have already built a k36 and I felt that a scale Challenger would look small parked next to the K36 so I decided to up the size a bit. I got the idea from the Forest Railroad Park in Cornwall called Dobwalls. Which is a commercial track running the larger than average 7 1/4 locomotive.
They have a 1/6th Big Boy so I thought I would make the Challenger instead.

I hope this explains my madness.
Paul

Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:46:46 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Re: Scales, Was: did i remove to much?



Paul,

Yes, I have seen some video and other photos of the BIG Big Boy and Colorado N.G. locos. Beautiful equipment and railroad. I was not aware of the scale.

Is your K-36 1/6th or 2-1/2" scale. Either one is big. I'm guessing that Forest Railroad Park chose the larger scale, with the popular 7.25 gauge, for reasons of pulling power with the extra weight and to be able to "ride in" the tender.

Thanks for the note.

Regards,
Jim Hoback

Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:49:11 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Re: Scales, Was: did i remove to much?



P.S. Paul, do you have any photos of your K-36 posted anywhere on the Net?

Thanks,
Jim Hoback

Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:24:42 -0000
From: "k36no4862002"

Subject: Re: Scales, Was: did i remove to much?



Jim,

There are some here

http://www.sharpos-world.co.uk/mainindx/mini/westonpk/04ng1/04ng1.htm

K36 no 486 and a few more here:

http://pageperso.aol.fr/jackytrains/expo-epsom-1.html

there are a few of some doubleheading live steam K36 but I'm not sure where they are - I know they did feature on the Livesteaming website once!

Enjoy
Paul

Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:51:44 -0800
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Bill Dobb's K-36 visits the PV&A



Bill Dobb's brought his beautiful K-36 to the Portola Valley and Alpine RR on October 27. For pictures and a short clip see:

www.homepage.mac.com/petermoseley

Peter Moseley
F&PV RR

Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:17:31 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Bill Dobb's K-36 visits the PV&A



Poking my nose around your site, I see K-27 464.
Are you aware of the two page spread by Marty Knox in Live Steam in Nov/Dec 2005, pp 68/69 announcing that she has been put back in service on the Huckleberry RR at Flint,MI.
--
Arno

Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:33:26 -0000
From: "fred veenschoten"

Subject: Re: Scales, Was: did i remove to much?



http://steamcad.railfan.net/
this web site has a cad drawing for the K36. general arrangement view.
fred v

Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:29:41 -0800
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: Bill Dobb's K-36 visits the PV&A



Hi Arno:

I did see that. Good news.

Peter Moseley

Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:03:44 EST
From: douglasandcj@aol.com

Subject: Re: Re: did i remove to much?



And it's no wonder as it's closer to scale for 7.5 inch gauge than 1.5"/ft. is to 7.24" gauge.

Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 07:01:07 -0800 (PST)
From: paul garin

Subject: Re: Digest Number 1341



JUST TO ADD TO THE CONFUSION - ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE NATIONAL RAILWAYS OF MEXICO RAN A NUMBER OF 2-6-6-2 ALCOS IN 36" GAUGE. HANDSOME LOOKING BEASTS - AND JUST THINK - 2-1/2" SCALE! THAT WOULD TRULY DWARF THE BIGBOYS ON 7-1/4" GAUGE.
ALL THE BEST,
PAUL GARIN

Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 05:25:05 +0000
From: "Roy Stevens"

Subject: RE: Further "are you aware"



Van Austin has built a 2.5" scale Uintah Valley Mallet 2-6-6-2, and although it's slightly shorter than a 1.5" Big-boy, especially when the tender is included, it is such a nice loco to run despite being monster large. Also, Van built it to handle prototypical radius curves (ala Baxter Pass) so it can handle an 18' radius! But for really big stuff, Baldwin built two 2-8-8-2 3' gauge locos for some south-of-the-border RR. Imagine THAT in 2.5".

Roy

Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:35:15 EST
From: VANCENICK@aol.com

Subject: Re: Further "are you aware"



Would he offer the drawings or some pictures to somebody interested in that project?

Vance

Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:09:10 -0500
From: "mikell"

Subject: New Frappr Links



New links to the railroad maps for railroads world wide. The Hesston Volunteers site has been upgraded with these and they even work.

http://www.frappr.com/seventoeightinchrailroads

http://www.frappr.com/grandscalerailroads

http://www.frappr.com/eighttotwelveinchrailroads

http://www.frappr.com/2footandlargerrailroads

www.hesstonvolunteers.com

Mike Lagness

Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 19:25:35 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Re: Scales, Was: did i remove to much?



Paul,

Those are great photos of beautiful K-series locomotives. My hat is indeed off to you and your efforts. Thanks.

Regards,
Jim Hoback

Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:27:50 +0800
From: "Craig Belcher"

Subject: New to list, and Tender dimensions



Hi all,

I am relatively new to the list and as such have been lurking for a while, this being my first post.

I am currently building a 3 3/4" scale freelance 2-4-0 along the lines of sweet creek, currently the tender chassis is rolling and metal has been cut for the loco frames.

I have struck a problem in the design of the tender tank that I am hoping some of you may be able to assist me with. Along the tops of most narrow guage tenders, (and some early standard guage tenders, there is a small flared section along the sides and accross the back. would anyone have any diminsions for this section, ie height and angle?

Any and all help appreciated as I don't have access to any drawings that show the sort of info i am loking for.

Craig Belcher
Western Australia

Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:45:16 -0600
From: "Bill Laird"

Subject: Re: New to list, and Tender dimensions



Craig,

Query Don Orr at LocoParts. Don offers a tender kit in 2 1/2" scale for the RGS 20 and it has the flared siding along the top of the tender. I believe that he scaled the kit from the prototype so he should have exact dimensions.

Bill Laird Canyon Lake, Texas

Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:35:13 -0000
From: "fred veenschoten"

Subject: Re: New to list, and Tender dimensions



you might try the narrow gauge builders group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Narrowgaugebuilders/
they are building a similar engine and have drawings.
fred v

Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:53:30 -0800
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Air Compressor



Hi all,

Is there any owner of a Speedaire 20 gal, 2 cylinder (5 horse??) unit out there that can tell me where I should be looking to find the model number? I have mine pumping up a storm but the pressure relieve valve has decided to leak again and there is nothing I can do to stop it this time. It has all new parts in the compressor pump interior so it is too late to chuck it in favour of buying another unit.

kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:03:18 -0800
From: "Geoff"

Subject: Re: Air Compressor



You should be able to take the pr valve to Grainger and they'll have a replacement.

Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:32:08 -0000
From: "greg"

Subject: Tender Flair



Craig, I am doing a Mt. Gretna, 2' Gauge, American built by Baldwin in 1882. My research shows that the flairs, on this particular engine, are six inches tall, in profile, and at a thirty degree angle. I'm away from my drawings, right now, so can't give you the exact metal width. Easy to figure, though, with a ruler and a protractor.

Hope this helps.
Greg B.

Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:12:08 -0800
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Air Compressor



Geoff,

A minor problem with this idea. I live two hours from the ferry which is another 1 1/2 hours to get to Vancouver and then its about 4 hours to the nearest Grainger outlet. I have sent them an e-mail and they need to know the model number of my unit hence the question on where to look for the model number. My unit was obtained second hand from a guy who bought it second hand. It is covered with paint and grime and not much identification is left on the unit.

If you zoom all the way in on the attached map you will end up at the street I live on. Seattle is the nearest place to me with a Graingers. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=port+alberni,+bc&ll=49.280040,-124.789989&spn=10.095033,26.343018&hl=en

kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:46:27 -0800
From: "Geoff"

Subject: Re: Air Compressor



ouch! Mine is in storage, but I'll try to get to it tomorrow and see where the model number is on it. It sounds like the same unit. I think it is on the tank on a metal tag that is spot welded to the tank.

Could you just take the PR valve off and send it to them for a match?

Trying to help.
Good Luck

Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:48:02 -0500
From: "Grice Dale-MGI1833"

Subject: RE: Air Compressor



If the valve is standalone, you can get a replacement from mcmaster.com and they will ship to you.

Dale Grice

Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:32:57 -0800
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Air Compressor



ouch! Mine is in storage, but I'll try to get to it tomorrow and see where the model number is on it. It sounds like the same unit. I think it is on the tank on a metal tag that is spot welded to the tank.

I hope you took what I wrote as "tongue in cheek." I wrote the reply that way but it sure could easily be taken as a snarly if you read it another way. No offence intended or implied in my reply.

Could you just take the PR valve off and send it to them for a match?

I got an e-mail from a Canadian supplier asking me to send them jpgs of the unit and a close-up of the part. He thinks they have them in stock.

kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:01:58 -0800
From: "Geoff"

Subject: Re: Air Compressor



No offence taken. Was just trying to be helpful. If the supplier is unsuccessful let me know and I'll look for a model number location mine.Good luck with it.

Geoff

Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:10:58 -0800
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: TMT next summer.



Hi all,

Who all is planning to attend the Train Mountain Triennial next summer?
I've never been there before but we (Denise and I) have promised a buddy from Australia that we would meet him there so we are now obliged to go. Looking forward to renewing friendships with a lot of you and possibly meeting a great deal more list members.

kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:25:44 EST
From: highiron@aol.com

Subject: Re: TMT next summer.



I will be there along with several members of my Iron Acres railroad as well as members from the Largo central

Mike Venezia

Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:52:03 +0800
From: "Craig Belcher"

Subject: Re: New to list, and Tender dimensions



Bill, Greg and Don, thanks for your assistance, the design work continues.... I aim, all being well to see the engine in steam in the next twelve months.

Craig Belcher
Western Australia

Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:29:25 EST From: VANCENICK@aol.com

Subject: Re: TMT next summer.



We are planning on a large group from Texas going.

Thanks,
Vance Nickerson

Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:59:46 +0000
From: "Roy Stevens"

Subject: RE: TMT



I plan on going, although noone on the list knows me as I'm kind of a lurker. Look for the three kids on Thomas locos.

Roy

Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:28:21 -0800
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Tailstock taper



Hi all

I have a 9" Southbend lathe and want to order a live centre. Does anyone on the list know what taper I order. I think it's an MT2 but I want to be sure.

kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:50:52 -0800
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: [Livesteamers] Re: Tailstock Taper



Thanks to all who answered on and off list.

kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada

Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:01:07 +0000
From: Lineshaft@comcast.net

Subject: Re: Tailstock taper info



Dennis and all,
If you goto Google and enter "morse taper" the second listing shows this site.
http://shopswarf.orcon.net.nz/morse.html
Dimention "A" is the diameter at the top of the shank and the chart will show what size it is.


Dave Fontes

Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:12:10 -0700
From: "Comlink Inc"

Subject: Re: Tailstock taper info



I have been using My 9" southbend for 30 years.

What you want is a #2 Morse.

If you order from ENCO (800-USEENCO) (use-enco.com)
low end price $26.45 model 251-3002
high qualtiy $52.75 model 251-3702
or a dead center for $2.75 or $10.95 for carbide tip

(I have no connection to Enco just grabbed their cattalog first)

by the way the spindle taper is #3 Morse.

Chuck

Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:28:06 -0700
From: "David Johnson"

Subject: My Flat Car



Just wanted to let everybody know I finished my first car. I mostly followed Tom Bee's design and used grab irons and steps from Precision Steel Car. You can view it on my website.
http://www.ColoradoGandyDancer.com
Let me know what you think. The trucks are from Cannonball, which I purchased several years ago. It took me about 3 months of evenings and weekends to finish.

I am also offering wheel stops for sale, which you can see on the same page.

Thanks for looking!

David Johnson

Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:17:20 -0000
From: "Tom"

Subject: new photos



Hello from the Sandy Ridge car shops

I uploaded a couple of pics of our next project. We are building 3 pair of arch bar trucks. I have the top piece welded up and the brake hanger piviot welded on. Probably can't see it. I didn't down size these so they are quit large. I will take them down in a couple of weeks and resize.





Tom Casper

Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:28:50 -0500
From: Michael Guy

Subject: Re: new photos



Tom,
I looked 'em up right away, the size was perfect for me as I could see the detail in the photos. Very nice.

Michael Guy
Toronto.

Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:00:26 -0500
From: Michael Guy

Subject: Lempor Ejector Calculator



Friends,
An announcement.
Richard Stuart of Perth, Australia and myself have published a calculator to take care of L. D. Porta's math for his Lempor ejector.
Trevor Heath at www.livesteaming.com has kindly agreed to host the work, it is available to download now.

Regards,
Michael Guy
Toronto.

Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:48:55 -0000
From: "Tim Dunn"

Subject: Maxitrak Pearl 7.25"



Hi all

I have just taken delivery of my first 7.25" steam loco - a Maxitrak "Pearl".
It's been out of use for 8 years, rediscovered in the loco shed of a long-disused woodland garden railway.
If there are any Maxitrak Pearl owners who have discovered simple modifications and improvements, I'd be grateful to hear from you.

It will be used at the Bekonscot Light Railway over 2006.
See http://www.bekonscot.co.uk for more info on our line.

Best to all

Tim Dunn

Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:36:53 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Conway Products



Recently there was a discussion regarding Conway Products and who was taking care of that business. I negelected to save that information. Can someone direct me to the right person for Conway.

Thanks,
Jim Hoback
Sonora, CA

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:45:21 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Conway Products



Here you go, Jim:

Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:01:58 -0400
To: 7-plus-NGM@yahoogroups.com
From: "don@locoparts.net"

Subject: Re: [7-plus-NGM] 2 1/5" C-19 castings



Jim

AS stated, cole's has the CONWAY castings. You might also contact Rudy Van Wingen at COMO Roundhouse as I think he has a few of the C19 parts.

I started building one a few years back and was going to use MILNER castings and drawings. I had barely started (Had flame-cut blanchard ground frames for the milner, and the CONWAY castings) and had the good fortune to meet Dave Conway. What I found out was that in my naivte (?)I had not discovered that the milner design was, AT BEST, a poor copy of the C19. It was so far from a scale version that milner could not have copied anything other than the outline of the engine, and thats what you got. To get the milner frames to "close" to scale I had to do a LOT of welding and machining. Dave's engine (and now Cole's) was/is right on the money as the place I met Dave was in the museum where he was taking diimensions from the prototype. Have no idea what the current Cole's status of the drawings is tho. Dave's drawings were barely satisfactory for construction if you were an experienced builder and knew what you were doing. These were Dave's exact (more-or-less) words to me when I first called him about building the engine. When I told him I had just finished an Allen mogul, he said I "might" be able to build from his drawings. ANyway, At Train Mountian last year Cole's had the first of their new CAD drawings for the engine, but I have no iudea if they were ever finished. Perhaps someone else on the board will be able to tell us.

I sold my chassis when it was partially finished as I just didn't have the time to put to the project that it deserved. It is a beautiful engine, and I wish you luck in your project!

don orr
www.locoparts.net

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:15:43 -0800
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: Conway Products



You want to contact Paul Lavacot of Ridgway Roundhouse Products. He just now has the complete Conway line and is in the process of getting it set up.

home: (909) 628-9601

EMAIL lmwpbl@hotmail.com

Peter Moseley F&PV RR

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:17:57 -0800
From: Peter Moseley

Subject: Re: Conway Products



Conways items are no longer with either Rudy van Wingen or Coles. It all has been brought together under Ridgway Roundhouse Products by Paul Lavacot.

home (909) 628-9601

EMAIL lmwpbl@hotmail.com

Peter Moseley
F&PV RR

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:17:39 -0500
From: "mikell"

Subject: Hesston Christmas



Found out today the United States Marine Corps Toys For Tots drive will be at the Hesston Steam Museum the first 2 weekends of December. All kids 15 and under who bring a new unwrapped toy will get a free train ride. It's our first year so sorry about the short notice.

mikell
www.hesstonvolunteers.com

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:10:09 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Conway Products



Thank you to all who responded to my question. I have sent an e-mail to Paul Lavacot.

Regards,
Jim Hoback

Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:18:32 EST
From: Mikado8@aol.com

Subject: Re: Conway Products



For the halabut I am adding my 2 cents. Watch your dealings with Cole"s
A very good friend of mine ordered parts about 2 months ago.
He waited and waited and got nothing. Finally he got someone on the phone a 2nd time, now was told they might have lost the order. This was a phone order to begin with, my friend had used his charge card to place this order. He had to give them the info again and it took another 3 weeks to get the screws.
Not a way to satisfy customers.
Be careful.

Bill C.

Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:12:45 -0600
From: Jim O'Connor

Subject: for sale items



We've been having some very good luck selling items on the discoverlivesteam for sale page in the last coupe of weeks.
But now I'm running low on equipment for sale.
If you or someone you know has something railroad or shop related for sale, please send me the details and some photos.

Thanks.
Jim O'Connor
PS. I'll wave my 1% if the money goes toward a club or other worthwhile group.

Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:44:20 -0800
From: Dennis Dalla-Vicenza

Subject: Re: Re: Thanksgiving (YAK OT)



But you're right, it's better to discuss it off the site. I will also be at Train Mountain's Triennial.

Michael

I look forward to meeting you. I don't think I'll be that hard to find.
Tall and overweight and wearing a Tee-shirt which says "Engineer in Training" on it. :o)

--
kind regards
Dennis, living in Port Alberni BC, Canada