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Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:58:00 -0800
From: "Pat Turner"

Subject: RMI on Ebay



Just found this on ebay. Any bidders?

Pat

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=515050711

Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:03:28 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: RMI on Ebay



No, not that I could see!

Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 01:06:31 -0500
From: locopart

Subject: Re: RMI on Ebay



Actually, why should anyone bid on this and pay more than 3995. RmI is running the ad, and you can buy it direct from them for the same price...so why bid against each other?

Don Orr
1-1/2" and 2-1/2" scale steam accessories, gas burners and tenders

Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:28:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Dobrowolski

Subject: Re: RMI on Ebay



Actually, according to their current price list, the list price for the engine being offered is $4245.00, plus shipping.

Bob Dobrowolski

Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 06:49:36 -0500
From: locopart

Subject: Re: RMI on Ebay



I stand corrected.....

Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 17:22:26 -0000
From: Russ@xor.net

Subject: Re: RMI on Ebay



Don

With the reserve not being met yet one would think the resesve would be substantially less than the list price!! It looks as if this is not the case. You still have to pay shipping and if you live in a different state tax is not an issue if you bought it right from RMI. Maybe the reserve is $50 off of retail...

Russ

Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 13:17:36 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: RMI on Ebay



I have great respect for the products from RMI. One of the members of my club has a small fleet of them. Our "Project Noah" used an RMI chasis.

The reason there are no bids on the item, and I don't think there will be any, is the price. I surf ebay for bargains or stuff I can't buy anywhere else. At the price listed for the starting bid, this item is neither.

While I appreciate a heads up on a bargain that a list member finds, this auction falls short.

Stan Z.

Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:10:04 -0500
From: locopart

Subject: Re: Re: RMI on Ebay



Hopefully, my comment was not taken by anyone as a criticism of RMI products. Quite the contrary, they produce some of the finest products you can find anywhere, at a reasonable price.

Don Orr
1-1/2" and 2-1/2" scale steam accessories, gas burners and tenders

Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 15:55:54 -0800
From: Russ Warr

Subject: Re: Re: RMI on Ebay



Don,

I also did not mean to imply criticism of RMI. I just think it is silly to put a product on EBAY when you can buy the product for the same price right from RMI.

Russ

Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 17:54:32 -0600
From: Curtis Hustace

Subject: Re: RMI on Ebay



Maybe you could get it for less than 3999.

Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:33:45 -0800
From: Ron & Diana Gates

Subject: Re: Re: RMI on Ebay



Don,
I would think that that this is simply an advertising method. No real "auction" intended, but a way to get more exposure for their product. The cost of an unsuccessful listing on Ebay compared to the number of persons browsing the list would be a reasonable expense.
Ron

Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 04:26:25 -0500
From: locopart

Subject: Re: Re: RMI on Ebay



I agree with you..its just advertising. Hope it works for him. the engines he produced that i saw at IBLS2000 were fine work, and their owners appeared quite pleased.

Don Orr
1-1/2" and 2-1/2" scale steam accessories, gas burners and tenders

Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 04:29:49 -0500
From: locopart

Subject: Re: Re: RMI on Ebay



Actually, it is good advertising, and people go wild on the auctions. I bid on orchid plants frequently, and many folks get caught up in the action in the last few seconds of the bid and will pay more than its worth. "Worth" in this case actually being what it is worth to you.

Don Orr
1-1/2" and 2-1/2" scale steam accessories, gas burners and tenders

Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 05:30:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Dobrowolski

Subject: Re: Re: RMI on Ebay



I also surf eBay for bargains. And usually only bid on stuff that can be had at bargain prices. However, not everyone else on eBay does this. I regualrly see smaller scale items go for prices that are astronomical and unexplainable. As a result, if RMI can get someone to bid on it and pay their price, more power to them. And as a side benefit, there is the potential advertising of their company to a new market for a low cost. So even if the auction is unsuccessful, they might still reap some rewards. I have also noticed that website revamp eliminated their 'Railyard' page which was used to sell on-hand inventory.

Just my $.02,
Bob Dobrowolski

Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 19:30:23 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: 7+ RailRoader is lost...



On November 29th Bob Williams sent an Email announcement of a change of address from Clarendon to Amarillo, Texas. In that announcement, he stated that his eMail address had not changed.

However, since then, all eMail sent to that address is returned "user unkonown". I have tried calling the phone number Bob sent and I get a robotice "please...leave...a....message" that does not identify itself; so far telephone messages left there are unreturned.

It also appears that Bob's web site is down.

Does anyone have additional information? I have advertising business for the rag...

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:17:14 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: 7+ RailRoader is lost...



Rudy - -
I have a feeling that Bob Williams, or his wife, has a health problem again. I haven't had an issue of 7+ for so long that I almost couldn't remember whom you were referring to. I guess we can only wait and wish them well.
Howard Springer

Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:30:45 -0500
From: Robert Herronen

Subject: Asheboro large-scale train for sale.



Howdy,

As promised here is the details about a local train for sale. I went to to see it on Saturday.

I forgot my tape measure so I can not be certain for the lengths and so on.

The train consists of:
1 gas-electric with a diesel body (looks like a double-ended "A" unit.)
2 riding cars - rounded ends to take sharp curves. Seats at least 5 adults per.
1 hopper car (coal cars they call them here) same length.
1 flat car that they must have never finished - purpose unknown. About 8 feet long.

Equipment Gauge is either 15 or 16", I would lean more to 15".

Locomotive appears to be 14 to 16 feet long. It has as 10HP engine driving a large generator for the traction motors and a smaller generator for the batteries and other stuff. Body width is about 18". It runs. The unit was built by an electrical engineer who ran a local lingerie mill (clothing manufacturing abounded in this area.) The design is ingeniuos. The cab has two seats facing each other with a single lever control between the legs. The engineer can turn around and face the other direction to drive. The control moves the core of the generator in and out allowing for it to act as a dynamic brake. The diagram and other "blueprints" are with the engine. I'm no electrical engineer so I can't tell you how it all works other than in principal.

The car trucks I guess were around but I did not see them. I figure they were stacked in the car bodies. The car bodies were all about 12 feet long. I'd say they sort of looked like bathtubs.

The railroad is supposed to have 1/2 mile of 8 lb rail. These rails appeared to be iron made in West Viriginia. And they amount I saw didn't look to be much more than about 300 feet or so. The rest must have been under the leaves. The rail is the only part stored outdoors. The train is in the wash bay of the barn.They also have a keg of spikes (unused.) Fish plates were all in a pile with a bunch of wheels - all indoors. (That is why I doubt they have too much rail as they didn't have very many joints...)

The train will need to be washed and painted but mechanically it appeared to completely sound.

Also included is 2 brand new motors for the engine.

Now why am I involved? Because my wife's uncle asked me. He thought I had connections. I can't use a train this large even though it can take some sharp curves and I can't afford it right now. Neither of us are being paid to sell this train. So rest assured - the price is the same when they tried to sell it ayear or so ago. The person buying it went bankrupt and forefeitted the train andhis downpayment.

This is a good train for an admusement. It doesn't seem to follow any certain prototype. The train used to run at the City (or County) Barn near Asheboro. Apparently the owner of the farm also owned the train. I didn't get the whole history.

The cost - still $15,000.

The farm is up for sale and they want to move the train as soon as they can. Otherwise it might end up at auction. In parts alone this train seems to be worth the cost.

Thanks for hearing me out.

-Rob Herronen
7.5" gauge Rio Grande Southen
Randolph, County North Carolina
Route of the Galloping Goose (some day.)

Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:36:09 -0000
From: "Stan Rutledge"

Subject: RMI on Ebay......



Perhaps a company as new to the industry as RMI sees Ebay as another outlet to expose the public in general to the hobby and introduce a new product. To me it seems like a sensible place to post info on a "new" product...

The *other* Stan

Stan Rutledge
Camano Island, WA

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 05:42:49 -0000
From: "Paul Garin"

Subject: Hello from RMI



Hello All,

We were following the thread regarding our eBay listing and decided we'd post a thought or two. Thanks for your comments and insights. In puting one of our engines online, we hoped to give current 7.5" enthusiasts a chance to acquire one of our locos at a possible premium (the model, which includes sound, normally sells for $4550; receipt of an RTR unit would be immediate, as opposed to our standard 6-8 weeks.)
We also wanted to introduce the equipment to a new group of rail fans who might head to eBay for new ideas. Judging by traffic patterns, we're thrilled to say that folks are certainly interested in the 7.5" hobby.
Good news for all of us.
Thanks again for your considerate words about RMI.
Happy Holidays!

Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:56:48 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Hello from RMI



Hey RMI: Do not, pray, ignore the 7.25" folk in the stubborn east and the rest of the world.
Chap locally has one of your rgs and holds that you have snap ring set ups on the axles to accommodate change in gauge. When you get newbies into the hobby, please have some little speal available "splaining this monstrous 0.25" problem we are saddled with and the wonderful flexibility in adjusting gauge,

Cam Brown
TFF

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:08:03 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: Hello from RMI



Hey, I resemble that remark!

All RMI gear at PVLS is gauged at the "world standard" 7.25".
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:06:29 -0500
From: "Bruce Mowbray"
Subject: Re: 7+ RailRoader is lost...

For those concerned,
The 7+ Railroader site is back on line. I have not e-mailed Bob to see what the problem was but it is good to see all is not lost. http://www.7plusrailroader.com

Bruce Mowbray (president)
TMB Manufacturing And Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:56:50 -0800
From: Greg & Susan Robinson
Subject: Re: Digest Number 190

Hello all,

I have been playing telephone tag with Bob for the past couple of days. He and Lynne seem to be doing fine - just working out the "bugs" of their recent move. I just checked their web site again and it is back up. As always, we wish Bob and Lynne well. They have a fine publication and we hope to see it for many, many years to come.

All the best,
Susan Robinson

--
Greg & Susan Robinson
The Grand Scales Quarterly [Journal for 12" gauge & larger RR's]
P.O. Box 8953
Red Bluff, CA 96080 USA
530-527-0141 fax 530-527-0420
[Subscriptions: $20 /yr US, $25 /yr International]

Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:27:04 -0800
From: "dave"

Subject: Wheel standards



Does any one have any standards for wheels etc for 12 inch and 3. 5 scale

Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:32:17 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: RE: Wheel standards



Standards depend on where you will run your equipment. We use scale dimensions for our wheels as we don't take our equipment anywhere.

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:48:11 -0800
From: "James Hoback"

Subject: Re: Wheel standards



Does that modified Lucky 7 have the wider flanges too, or the IBLS 1:8 7-1/2" gauge wheels and flanges?

Regards,

Jim Hoback
Tuolumne, CA, U.S.A.
http://www.mlode.com/~jdmd/train.htm

Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:56:19 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: RE: Wheel standards



Yes, we had Jim change the wheels and regauge to 7 1/2". Use to pick switches with IBLS wheels and 7 1/4 gauge.

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:59:31 EST
From: Thime@aol.com

Subject: Re: Wheel standards



My apologies, but what wheel standards are you asking for? 3.5" scale? And 12" scale (full size)?

Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:10:28 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: Wheel standards



You are entitled to establish your own standards for your own railroad and track. But just what are they?
I attempt to use standards on my 2-1/2"/ft scale engine that will allow me to run at any ( IBLS Std. conforming, at least) 7-1/2" gauge track. As near as I can determine, these seem to be 0.156" max thickness (W) from the inside of the wheel to the tangency with the 0.093" fillet. Height from the tread 0.187" . The flanks of the flange are 10 taper from the vertical, according to several, if not all versions, and the crest is a radius that ties the two tapers together. The tread of my wheels is coned 1:20 (2.86), which seems to be within the range allowed.
I have another friend who seems to prefer scaled down prototype standards. If I remember rightly, these are thicker (wider) and lower than mine. I have found several references purporting to set out the prototype dimensions - and about the only common factor is the general appearance. I don't remember any t wo drawings that agree exactly.
So - what are yours? I gather that "dave" is genuinely in search of information - not complication.
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:14:53 -0800
From: Greg & Susan Robinson
Subject: Grand Scale Wheel Standards

Dave, et al,

Our magazine, the Grand Scales Quarterly, has been very reluctantly nominated as a forum for finally setting out some recommended practices for the larger gauges (12" and above). There will be an informal largely anonymous committee formed of modelers with knowledge and experience in 12", 14", 15", 16", 18", 19", and 24" gauges.

If you might be interested in joining this committee, please contact me. While this effort carries no authority in and of itself, if the RP's generated are sound they will likely become a defacto standard in years to come. I hope as many people will chose to voice their thoughts so this effort can benefit from as much experience as possible.

Dave, you are no doubt looking for answers right now, and I'm afraid that I can't much at this point. The current standards mess in the Grand Scales makes the American RR system of the 1850's look neat and tidy. But some of the leaders in 12" and larger railroading will be working together to create a body of work that will help builders decide what to do on new construction. We hope you'll jump in. (And everyone else too).

Thanks,
Greg

Greg & Susan Robinson
The Grand Scales Quarterly [Journal for 12" gauge & larger RR's]
P.O. Box 8953
Red Bluff, CA 96080 USA
530-527-0141 fax 530-527-0420
[Subscriptions: $20 /yr US, $25 /yr International]

Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:31:47 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: (Fwd) Fw: Spare half a million anyone?



------- Forwarded message follows -------
Care to buy a original DSP&P depot?

http://www.pitkincolorado.com/depot
You may have seen this on the South Park mailing list, but if you missed it, the Pitkin Depot is up for sale and is priced at a paltry $500,000.

Terry

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:23:33 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Maine CD



Attn. Mainiacs:

Gary Kohler has just published a CD with 101 scanned photos of 5 Maine Railroads. Some of these are unpublished. They include everything from engines, railcars, handcars, to rolling stock. It's a nice sample of his 8000 photo archive. More CDs to come, this one costs $29.95 ppd. Contact Gary at M2fq@aol.com. I have no affiliation with Gary, I just bought a copy and I'm satisfied.

Stan Z.

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:08:46 -0800
From: Greg & Susan Robinson

Subject: Updated Links



Hi All,

We update our links page every decade whether it needs it or not. And we just finished.
Dozens of new Grand Scale Railroads to find.
Front page listed below, click on the links button.
Let us know if you find any broken links.
Hope you enjoy.

-Greg

Greg & Susan Robinson The Grand Scales Quarterly [Journal for 12" gauge & larger RR's]
P.O. Box 8953
Red Bluff, CA 96080 USA
530-527-0141 fax 530-527-0420
[Subscriptions: $20 /yr US, $25 /yr International]

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:46:00 -0800
From: "Linc Reed-Nickerson"

Subject: Baby Baldwins down-under



G'day Mates!

It is interesting to note that many people assume that no kin to the SR&RL 2-6-2's exist, many consider the Festiniog to be the closest kin, based on gauge.

I'm just back from 2 weeks and a few days of volunteer work in the steam workshop at the Puffing Billy Railway near Melbourne, Australia.. I believe their 6 NA class 2-6-2's are the closest surviving kin to the Maine Two-Foot Prairies.

The two original locomotives were Baldwin built in 1898, the other 15 were built by the Newport (Victoria) Works, are duplicates of 1A and 2A. The first Newport built loco, 3A was constructed in 1900, the last, 17A in 1916. Four locomotives are in service today, 7A, 8A, 12A and 14A. 6A is undergoing a complete rebuild (yes rebuild, not overhaul) and pieces of 3A are in storage for eventual rebuild. Many of 3A's bits are original Baldwin as 3A was constructed using many spare parts shipped with 1A and 2A. All the boilers are new, all welded construction, by Jahco Engineering of Bayswater, Victoria (Jahco is rumored to have a much larger boiler under construction for a Queensland locomotive, as well as assisting in the restoration of the boiler for G42, a former Victorian Railways 2' 6" gauge Garratt that will run on Puffing Billy in about 2 years).

The differences in the Prairies are the gauge, Puffing Billy is 2'6". They are tank engines, and the lead truck is "improved." Aside from this, if you look closely you realize many of the parts would directly interchange with the Maine Two Foot Prairies.

We had to remove a side tank from 12A to replace a broken stay at the front of the firebox, and the result looked very much like SR&RL 15 or 16 (if they had two sand-domes). I have a picture which I will post.

The history of the four Victorian 2' 6" lines is no7t unlike the Maine Two Footers, they were constructed to help populate rural Victoria as a less expensive alternative to the Victorian 5' 3" broad gauge. Construction was somewhat later than the Maine railways, starting in the late 1890's and lasting a bit longer, with the Crowes-Colac line running until June of 1962.

Puffing Billy, originally closed in 1954, owes it's survival to interest generated by enthusiasts and the Melbourne Sun newspaper. The line is near to Melbourne and can be reached via the broad gauge suburban electric trains. Had the Bridgeton & Harrison been closer to a major population it might have had the same good fortune.

If you love very narrow gauge and travel down under, Puffing Billy is a must see destination. There is a bit of the WW&F at Puffing Billy as well, as the NA's have Crosby whistles!

Linc Reed-Nickerson

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:32:38 -0800
From: Don Dickens

Subject: Re: Updated Links



Grand Scales Quarterly's Miniature Train Web Ring has problems!

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:43:57 -0800
From: Greg & Susan Robinson

Subject: Re: Updated Links



Don,

Grand Scales Quarterly's Miniature Train Web Ring has problems!

Thanks for the "heads up". In the next day or two I should be able to re-paste the code. I need to be kept on my toes.

-Greg

Greg & Susan Robinson The Grand Scales Quarterly [Journal for 12" gauge & larger RR's]
P.O. Box 8953
Red Bluff, CA 96080 USA
530-527-0141 fax 530-527-0420
[Subscriptions: $20 /yr US, $25 /yr International]

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:29:23 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Baby Baldwins down-under



Linc: Missed you (again) at Alna.

To nitr-pic to the max: - two effs in Ffestiniog. They changed the official spelling a couple of years ago to maintain the mysteries of the Welcj language.

Cam Brown
TFF

Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:07:26 -0800

From: "Linc Reed-Nickerson"
Subject: RE: Baby Baldwins down-under

I can't spell in American English, much less WelcJ(?)... I have heard they are going Quebecois and now have language police, is this true?

In all seriousness, it costs me as much to go to Alna as to Melbourne, maybe we should meet there!

Linc

Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:38:22 -0800
From: Greg & Susan Robinson

Subject: GSQ Calendar---Please Tell Us Your Dates



Hello Again,

GSQ is Creating a "Calendar of Events". We would like to know of all the upcoming events in the "12 inch gauge and larger" community (in the UK 10 1/4" may be included). We are looking for special runs, galas, open houses, railfan days, and other events where visitors are welcome. And please remember we are interested in more than just US events. We've got subscribers in 14 different countries now.

-Greg

Greg & Susan Robinson The Grand Scales Quarterly [Journal for 12" gauge & larger RR's]
P.O. Box 8953
Red Bluff, CA 96080 USA
530-527-0141 fax 530-527-0420
[Subscriptions: $20 /yr US, $25 /yr International]

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:01:06 -0500
From: Paul GoodJohn

Subject: Trackwork



Hi - I've been lurking for a while, and now come to a point (pun not intended) where I need some advice. I've been busy making track for a while (7 1/2" gauge) from pressure treated 2x4 bits and 1" Cannonball rail, and now I need a couple of switches.

What I'd like to know is how to go about this (and also, since I'm an ex-pat Englishman in the USA, some of the terminology). For example, I understand that the path through the frog should be straight - but for what distance either side?

Also, I understand that by carefully choosing the guard rail clearances and opening the frog channels, it is possible to allow 7 1/4 gauge equipment to operate - what should I use as a clearance.

Basically, I couldn't find very much out from the web, so - help!

Paul

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:40:25 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Trackwork



Paul - Welcome to the colonies! We presume (bad old Nichols and May routine comes to mind) that you are no longer using bull head rail and chairs.

My congratulations, and condolences for having the temerity to say out loud that track, and equipment, can be built that is compatible for both 7 1/4" and 7 1/2" gauges.

Stout fellow!

Cam Brown
TFF

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:42:27 -0500
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: Trackwork



Ahhh,,,but this has been done.

Mike Venesia's Iron Acres Railroad in New Jersey http://ironacresrailroad.homestead.com is made to accommodate 7 1/4" AND 7 1/2" gauge equipment. Also, all of my future equipment will be regaugable. How easy this will be to do is another story but it will be regaugable.



Bruce Mowbray (president)
TMB Manufacturing And Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:39:43 -0000
From: jonyhotdog.wi@netzero.net

Subject: help:need source for boiler quality steel plate and tube



does any one have a source for boiler qaulity steel plate and tubing (6" schedule 40)

Thanks

terry

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:55:58 EST
From: Jubilatede@aol.com

Subject: Re: Trackwork



Don = I presume (that word again) that Bruce has the cc I made of the Ch 13 tape that I brought to the train show at the ES Plaza. One i kept is packed somewhere in the go-to-FL stuff. Careful what you wish for - you could always drive to FL (glad to put you up on the back poarch for a couple of days) and get it. Easier on the pocketbook that I dub another if the club cc has drifted away. Let me know.

Shan't be a Wilton tonight. We're running way behind getting ready to leave. Hello to the gang from me and don't do anything I wouldn't.

Cam

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:33:15 -0500
From: "Buesing, Don"

Subject: RE: Trackwork



A-HA!
I'll give Bruce a call, likely to see him tonight, Thanks Cam!
Don

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:41:32 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: Re: help:need source for boiler quality steel plate and tube



Terry -

You don't mention what part of the country you are in; given the weight of steel plate that makes a real difference in the cost to you...

You may want to try shopping:

http://www.ThomasRegional.com
http://www.mcmaster.com
http://www.amm.com


Let me know if you need more help.

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:59:07 -0800
From: "Howard Springer"

Subject: Re: Trackwork



Paul; I have tried to reply in some depth, direct to your address. The replies keep coming back. Please check the address below.
Howard Springer

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:54:05 -0800
From: "Quentin Breen"

Subject: Re: Trackwork



Paul:

Mike Venezia at highiron@aol.com has built a whole railroad that can accommodate both 7 1/4" and 7 1/2" equipment and he can tell you how to build the switches. There is a link to his Iron Acres Railroad from http://www.trainmountain.org.

Quentin

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:30:02 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Maine Trucks



Well, I've searched around and I can't find a supplier for casting to a set of Maine style trucks in 3 3/4" scale. RMI may be coming out with some next year, no dates yet.

It looks like this will be my next project since I now have 6 1/4" wheels produced for them. If anyone is interested please contact me off list. I'll be producing parts starting with the journal boxes, working out to the brakes. They will be based on the SR&CL drawings as well as some bits from my collection of Maine prototype drawings. Some designs are a bit simpler, they are all fairly similar. The end product will be a flat topped swing-motion truck. VERY similar to the B&B trucks that started 2' railroading in the USA.

Stan Zdonick

Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:22:00 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: virus



I just got a virus from a what I think is a list member, it looks like it was ddickens (ip91.vanc6.pacifier.com) or someone on his distribution list. If this came from your machine, you need to scan for viruses. It was the old joke.exe file, I haven't seen this in a while so there may be a new outbreak.

My computer picked it up as the email arrived so I know I'm not infected.

I'm sending this out to the lists I get the most messages from since I don't know the originator. It may be from an off-list contact, but I thought I'd relay the warning just in case.

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:04:32 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: Re: Maine Trucks



Stan -

The RMI stuff is worth waiting for. Dave Rohrer now works there and he has sold them all his 3.75" gauge Maine 2' patterns; they are superb, Dave is a meticulous and fussy modeler.

If the 7+ NGM group has not seen photos of his work and the beautiful stuff he's built, I can try to get an album posted. From comments I have read on here in the past, I think most of the fellows with a 2' bent are already aware of Dave's work.

Rudy van Wingen
Como Roundhouse Products

BTW: In re. the virus - it wasn't me! I work on a MAC platform and MAC's don't .exe!

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:14:39 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: Maine Trucks



The RMI stuff is worth waiting for. Dave Rohrer now works there and he has sold them all his 3.75" gauge Maine 2' patterns; they are superb, Dave is a meticulous and fussy modeler.

The big problem is RMI won't commit to a delivery date or pricing information. If the prices are similar to their existing castings it would be too expensive for my pocketbook.

If the 7+ NGM group has not seen photos of his work and the beautiful stuff he's built, I can try to get an album posted. From comments I have read on here in the past, I think most of the fellows with a 2' bent are already aware of Dave's work.

Is Dave from the SR & CL group? If so, I have seen their web site.

BTW: In re. the virus - it wasn't me! I work on a MAC platform and MAC's don't .exe! The party involved scanned his system after my alert, he's all better now.

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:36:43 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Virus again



I would suggest that ALL PC users on the 7 Plus list scan your computers. I just got the same virus attempt on my machine. The first came from a list member, I'm sure the second did as well.

Mac, UNIX, and non-Microsoft email clients should be OK, but it wouldn't hurt to check all windows PCs since it may have been sent to you. It can only infect computers that can execute an exe file.

Here's the text of the email. Do NOT open the JOKE.EXE file! If you do, you are infected. Thank goodness for anti-virus software.

Stan Z.

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:21:46 -0500
From: "Rich D."

Subject: Re: Virus again



Stan, I've been on this list from the start and have never seen it. I have uptodate Norton AV and it _Lets you know_ there's a virus present.

Rich D.

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:25:50 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: RE: Re: Maine Trucks



Stan, what are you referring to about a web site. would like to see a url.

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:32:18 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re:Virus again



I use NAV also, that's how I know someone is sending these out. It will only go to people who post messages to the list and that are still in the email client. I post a lot of messages so I'm probably in a lot of systems email packages.

The most vulnerable are any of the Microsoft suite, Outlook and Outlook Express are the worst. I use Eudora, I have never been infected. The people who are infected have my email address and now they have yours. I hate to sound like an alarmist, I'm just trying to get all the folks to clean their machines before it gets out of hand. It won't infect you either, Rich, but you may be next in line.

Like I said in an earlier message, the original person found his infection. The second may not have found it yet. I have no idea how many people are infected. You have to inspect the email header to track this down, that's how I found the first guy. I have already deleted the second email since I think the damage is already done to many folks on the list. The list will not receive the email directly because the virus disguises the originator. Egroups has no record of this bogus email address so it trashes it before it sends it out. If you have NEVER posted a message, you're probably safe.

If anyone wants to be safe from this in the future there are two methods.

1) Reply or post messages from the web version of egroups. (Safest method, but a hassle.)

2) Use the latest anti-virus software. (My choice.)

3) Buy a non-Microsoft type computer. (UNIX or Mac)

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:39:11 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: Re: Maine Trucks

url : http://members.home.net/melcaswell/

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:16:10 -0600
From: Curtis Hustace

Subject: Re: Virus again



I recieved the same virus and My Norton Anti Virus isolated it. I saw it again at work today when a co-worker asked if she should open it . . . I of course SAID NOOOOOO!!!. I don't know where the virus on my computer came from.

Curtis

Curtis Hustace
214 F. Rogers Lane
Dixon, KY 42409
812-453-0217

Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 20:33:59 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: URL, old Maine trucks



Hi Stan, No Dave isn't part of our group, We just bought castings from him a few years ago and am hoping to get more from someone.

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:01:30 -0500
From: "Rich D."

Subject: Merry Christmas!



Hey everybody. I COAL in my stocking. Whoopee!!!!!!!

Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 08:07:18 -0000
From: "Rudolph (Rudy) van Wingen"

Subject: Re: URL, old Maine trucks



Tom and Stan -

Since RMI has Dave Rohrer's patterns, it is a pretty good bet they will have his castings on the market fairly soon. I have come to know Paul Garin, owner of RMI, fairly well, and he does not do things by half measures.

He will make sure that the parts produced are top quality, and he won't market them until he is sure they are. This may mean rebuiding or reworking the patterns until he is satisified. Yes, his prices are not cheap, but neither is the product.

If you want top quality 3.75" scale stuff without the hassle of building it yourself, support the people who are marketing it. Remember, this is a very small market, and anyone who is willing to cater to it has a big investment in setup and tooling costs; the bigger the market, the lower the cost/customer based on simple amortization. You fellows chose the scale, it is a great one, but it is not for the bulk of the live steamers.

Rudy van Wingen

Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 11:48:21 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Holiday greetings



Hello all,

now, that we are nearly at the end of this millennium and going into a new year, I want to thank all the members, who joined our list. It's really impressive for me, that we got 162 members since I started this list. Thank you very much.

I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Century and Millennium

Hubert
Moderator of the 7-plus-ngm - mailing list

Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:46:00 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake Update



Happy Holidays from the Sandy Ridge crew. We have spent the last few days trying to improve our wedge plow so it can handle the DEEP snow we have here. We have had to shield the sides and plug the underneath above the flanger blade to keep the snow out of the trucks. With this done, we tried to use just # 25 to push it but it can't keep enough traction. Yesterday we fired up # 7 to act as a helper and were able to move enough snow to open the Mill 3 lead. With this success, we started on the main line west bound and went about 500 feet and stalled in the snow. It is so DEEP that the plow can't throw it any where and it rolls back under the wheels and then between the locomotives and the plow. We had to shovel out so we could drag it back to the roundhouse. It looks like we will have to wait for the sun to help us out. Where is a rotary when you need one?

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:16:21 -0500
From: "Rich D."

Subject: Re: Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake Update



Tom,
Some people have all the fun 8-).
Having a blast with this CNC stuff.
Rich D.

Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 20:36:11 -0700
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Re: Sandy Ridge & Clear Lake Update



Hi Tom:

I met the Alliance Rotary, Westbound at Moorcroft, Wyo last trip. It was on its way to Aberdeen, SD, via Billings and East on the Milw. Merry Christmas and say Hi to Jack Ozanish for me.

Mike Decker

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:33:14 -0800
From: "Turner Family"

Subject: WANTED NG&SLGs



Hi all, sorry for the multi list post, but I am missing just a few NG&SLGs and was wondering if anyone has any extras of the following issues that they would be willing to sell before I try Railpub. I would rather help to clean out someone's closet first!

Pat

J/F, M/A - '82 I know I have these somewhere, but can't find them in the mess!
M/J - '00
J/A - '99
S/O - '98
N/D - '94
J/A - '93
N/D - '90
March - '76
July, Sept., Nov. - '75

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:15:37 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Who is this woman



Hello all,

as I was visiting the Golden Gate Live Steamers last september, I was invited to run a wonderful 1.5" scale american.

The invitation was done by the woman, you can see in the attached photo.



Who is this woman? Does she have an email-address?

Would nice to learn more about here, so that I can say another thank you to her.

Hope, that someone knows here.

Thank's to Rudy van Wingen, who took the photos.

Hubert

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:50:21 -0800
From: Jerry Kimberlin

Subject: Re: Who is this woman



That's Geraldine August. The wife of our webmaster Dave.
Probably you can send her and email at Dave's address. Go to:

http://www.ggls.org

JerryK
GGLS

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:47:13 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: HELP needed SR&CL



We need snow shovelers. No workers turned down. 10 cents an hour and free coffee. Beer and wine when work done.

Today, Jack and I and a friend double headed the plow and managed to gain another 600 feet of rail.
We would speed up and ram the snow till we stalled. Back up 2 feet and pull the wings in on the plow and lift the blade and back way up to ram again. What fun! Darkness and wet clothing stopped our progress for today. Will we get to the Woodshed before spring? Keep your computers tuned in for the next exciting update from the Sandy Ridge crew.

Happy Holidays to all:

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:11:03 -0600
From: "Mudhen"

Subject: Re: WANTED NG&SLGs



You might want to watch the RR book section on ebay. I see them there for sale frequently and normally they sell for very little.

Mark Petersen
Camp Creek Railroaders
Omaha, NE

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:02:50 -0800
From: Russ Wood

Subject: Re: HELP needed SR&CL



OK where's the pictures, you can't just tell us about it! Show us please! :o) Sounds like great fun. We haven't fired up the snowblower yet at Train Mountain but I think after the next snow fall we will.



russ@hobby-tronics.com

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:05:54 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: HELP needed SR&CL



Did Jimmy Small come up for your meet?
Arno

Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:16:01 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: RE: HELP needed SR&CL



Sorry, there will be no pictures till we get a digital camera. Will have to do the old fashion way with words. Liked your shot Russ. I didn't think you got much snow out there. Were the log cars 2 1/2 inch scale?

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:41:38 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: RE: HELP needed SR&CL



Why not just run a snow blower down the rails to clear the bulk of the surface? I would protect the rail by installing a wooden cover over the blade, the wheel will straddle the 7.5" rail unless it's a small unit.

Stan Z.

Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:21:34 +0100
From: "Hubert Wetekamp"

Subject: Re: Who is this woman



Hello Jerry,

That's Geraldine August. The wife of our webmaster Dave.
Probably you can send her and email at Dave's address.


thank you. I checked the website and found Dave's address.

Hubert
Moderator of the 7-plus-ngm - mailing list

Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:09:55 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: RE: HELP needed SR&CL



Well Stan, we need a snow blower to do that. Would you send me one to borrow?

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:07:50 -0500
From: Stan Zdonick

Subject: RE: HELP needed SR&CL



Come on over, You can use it anytime! LOL.

Stan Z.
Longmeadow, MA

Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:29:50 -0800
From: Russ Wood

Subject: Re: HELP needed SR&CL



Stan,

They've done that one better at Train Mountain. They have a snowblower mounted on a heavy duty flat car. You simply push it down the track and blow the snow over to the side. I'll try and get a picture of it tomorrow and send it tomorrow night.

russ@hobby-tronics.com

Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:33:10 -0800
From: Russ Wood

Subject: Re: HELP needed SR&CL



Tom,

Were the log cars 2 1/2 inch scale?

Nope but they are part of a 200 foot long 1 1/2 inch scale log train. When the logs were still green I couldn't pull the train it was to heavy, but after a couple of seasons they have dried out and I can pull it. It really is a great train to run. Of course I'm a little jaded as my engine is lettered Woodside Lumber! :o)

russ@hobby-tronics.com

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:06:00 -0500
From: "Bruce Mowbray"

Subject: Re: HELP needed SR&CL



This is the same way I am going to do it. I have an old snowblower who's propulsion system has given up. The motor and blower parts still work great. It's the only way I will be able to run trains through the cut in the winter. See picture



The stone retaining wall on the side of this cut is 4 feet high and the snow is up to the top of the wall!! I am in the process of trying to figure out a way to get the old blower too look like more of a piece of real railroad snow removal equipment but haven't come up with a solution for that yet.

Bruce Mowbray (president)
TMB Manufacturing And Locomotive Works
1 1/2" Scale & 2 1/2" Scale (Narrow Gauge) Live Steamer

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:30:20 -0900
From: Durand Family

Subject: Re: Digest Number 208



Reference snow plowing: Using a gas powered snow blower sort of misses the point. It's just plain fun banging into those snow drifts! My F7 has a snow plow following practice of the Alaska Railroad and it is designed to pick up snow and deposit it clear af the tracks at speeds over 20 miles per hour. I am here to tell you that does not scale down. I tried this out several years ago after a wet snow and we could run into the three inches (i.e. scale two foot) and would go about 15 feet before the front truck would run up on the snow. Need another thousand pounds to squeegee the ice off the rails.

The ARR. has an old wedge plow, used only once. The ARR. Rotary has not been used in years. When needed they have Jordan spreaders including a brand new one enroute at this time, (The first new Jordan built in 20 years.)

Plows, big or small, depend on snow conditions for success. Eskimos have over 100 words for snow, each describing different physical properties. When it is heavy and wet as in avalanches, just bring out the Caterpillars and get it done.

We are setting here in Anchorage, Alaska with 35 +F and .5 inches of snow on the ground. We have had way above normal temperatures while the central part of the US is getting the freezing dip in the Jet stream that is bringing us the warm air.

Best wishes for the new year to all! Keep the shovels handy.
Pat Durand

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:21:25 -0700
From: "Mike Decker"

Subject: Re: HELP needed SR&CL



Hi Bruce:

Back in the ought-60's, I worked as a draftsman for an outfit in Denver called "American Snowblast". They built highway and airport rotaries. The plows were a Swiss design that was really just a giant snow-blower. They had some "little" 42-inch wide models (with handles, for sidewalks, etc.) that were powered by VW engines. I often thought of buying one for the 15" ga. R&GN Ry. and mounting it on a flat car (but they wanted $2000 for a beat up demonstrator out back, so I never did). Anyway.....the original outfit in Switzerland did make RR plows using the giant snow-blower machinery. So go for it, just put a crew cab where the handles used to be and you'll be correct :>)

Later,

Mike Decker

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:32:10 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: RE: HELP needed SR&CL



I hope you can. would love to see it. Got the new Live Steam mag and liked the coverage in color of the TM meet.

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:35:22 -0600
From: "Tom Casper"

Subject: RE: HELP needed SR&CL



Nice drift there Bruce. We got no shovelers so we are still blockaded.

Later;
Tom Casper

Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 20:33:20 +1100
From: "Paxon G&C"

Subject: Re: Digest Number 208



Pat,

Could you contact me off line at paxon@pnc.com.au as I have a question I'd like to put to you on the possible origin of some Alaska Railroad equipment that is not related to the live steam site.

thanks Mate,

Geo A Paxon

Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:26:06 -0500
From: "Mike Green"

Subject: Re: HELP needed SR&CL Digest Number 209



To Bruce Mowbray, there is always a prototype.
The Hetch Hetchy Railroad converted Caboose 16 into a rotary snow plow back in 1930. They took a Snow King highway plow which looks like a double snowblower, mounted it to the front of the Caboose then repowered it with a 350 hp marine gasoline engine reportedly from a vessel that once ran on Lake Tahoe. The plow lasted in service until they scrapped the railroad about 1949.

Your picture looks a bit like my drivway the morning of December 12th.

Mike.

Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:13:40 -0500
From: Arno Martens

Subject: Re: Re: HELP needed SR&CL Digest Number 209



Well, Mike, it's time to move back to Toronto, the good!
Arno

Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:25:36 -0000
From: nubbykallaus@iwon.com

Subject: displacement lubricator



I am building a 2 1/2" Mason Bogie and am looking for information and plumbing schematic for a displacement lubricator any help would be appreciated
Thanks
Richard Kallaus

Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:24:47 -0600
From: "Ron Koehler"

Subject: Re: displacement lubricator



I'm also building a Mason Bogie. Is yours from Ulin castings. If so, are you an experienced machinist. I'm not. Would you be willing to provide advice on machining and construction?

Thanks,

Ron Koehler

Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:11:48 EST
From: DFWSVW@aol.com

Subject: Re: displacement lubricator



Richard,

The Lucky 7 series in the Live Steam magazine, specifically August, 1978, page 20 & 21 provides a drawing and construction information for a smaller hydrostatic lubricator. Actually these are available in Great Britain, or at least were at one time. I have one on my Mini Lucky 7 and it does work well except that if you set the oil valve under the sight glass for too much flow you will have to stop and refill the oil tank more often than what is necessary. Having used this oiler on my Mini Lucky 7 and once having built and used the mechanical oiler from the Lil Lima plans, I do prefer the mechanical oiler.

Having said that, there is one fellow in our KLS group that has a large pressure vessel (oil tank) under his smokebox, on his ten wheeler, that performs both as oil tank reservoir and the oil line from that same box to his steam lines to the cylinders. He has no plans that I know of. There is no sight glass. When the device was initially built he adjusted the oil flow by checking oil condensate around the top of the stack and he never has to change it. He likes his particularly well since the reservoir is large enough and the steam oil flow is low enough that one filling, or rather one draining of water from the reservoir and filling with steam oil per running season is all he does.

Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:56:48 EST
From: steamin10@aol.com

Subject: Re: Snow plow / rotary



Hey all..I remember that at Harry Herder's old track,( long since gone) ,he built a rotary plow on one of his flat cars. It was a fairly simple affair, using parts from a commercial snowblower. the engine, a snall two cycle affair,was simply bolted to the car with a small chain sprocket on it.It drove a large sprocket on a shaftwith simple pillows blocks. At the business end was about a 14 inch disc with two pieces of channel welded to it. The wheel had a roundish housing with a chute on top all built of welded heavy sheet. The shaft was held above the car floor by a welded sawhorse looking angle iron frame . I was there during a winter meet and the snow train was fired up. What a sight! The little two cycle roared and the snow flew! They cleared most of the line before the mounting bolts began to rattle loose forcing a shutdown. I think a smaller blower hung off the front of a flatcar would really be appropriate, without all the fuss. I haved several snow blowers in my pool of cllectables and can visualize an operating unit from one, without all the major building. Dave

Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:46:20 -0800
From: "Paul Lavacot"

Subject: Re: displacement lubricator



cool, can we see some pictures of your bogie
thanks paul l.

Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:54:57 -0600
From: nubbykallaus@iwon.com

Subject: Re: displacement lubricator



Hi Paul I am Richards wife Elaine and I just got a scanner and am still learning to use it will sen pictures as soon as I figure out what I'm doing Thanks for the reply

Happy New Year
Richard & Elaine Kallaus

Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:21:55 -0000
From: "Adrian Sant"

Subject: New UK Member!



Hi, perhaps I am the last new UK member for 2000!

I found an excellent search directory called DMOZ Open Directory Project that has no annoying advertising banners.

The miniature railroad section has 147 entries. If you want to add an entry just click on the ADD URL at the top of the page.

There is also a miniature railway manufacture section with 53 entries.

You can find this directory page at
http://dmoz.org/Recreation/Trains_and_Railroads/Miniature_Railways

If you want to know my own involvement in the UK please visit my sites at

http://www.miniature-railway-books.com

and

http://www.cromarwhite.co.uk

Thank you for reading this and my best wishes for the New Year.

Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:42:38 -0000
From: "Wilkes "

Subject: Mason



Who has/is building a mason bogie? I would Like to Know what castings Ulin supplies and how to get drawings and a pricelist. thanks